it needs to be something that's created shared discussed at every level of the progressive movement and that has to be in place before the next crash look we didn't have one so the tea party came up with one they came up with this idea that somehow if you slash government you're going to create new jobs for people if you deregulate wall street somehow life supposed to get better i mean they're all totally off the wall but we don't have an alternative we meaning the broadest sense of the progressive community that's our task right now we need to build something like that shared amongst ourselves take that around the sky's the bait so that when that the next crash comes we're prepared and you're leading that charge and i'm so pleased that you can come on our program and share that with us leslie a poll thank you very much thank you so much for having me by the way you can watch this conversation again as well as other conversations with great minds at our website conversations with great minds dot com. coming up reporter of water's edge a lot of conservative columnist brian darling and conservative blogger chris morrow

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studies at the heritage foundation and columnist of human events and contributor to red state dot com and big government dot com polling up quite a bit a c.v. ok let's get started. yesterday president obama went to ground zero to bring closure to families of the eleven of the victims of nine eleven signaling that in the wake of bin laden's death it's time for all of us to come together and heal but the conservatives have a different agenda in the wake of bin laden's death it seems that they think that it's time to give credit to george w. bush for torturing people so that really what we should be doing right now which is own national security adviser john brennan said torture did not lead to finding that dianne feinstein chair the senate intelligence committee also the torture do not play a role so far republicans obsessing over war crimes. so there are no all right so thoughts well i think george w. bush did do a great job in starting the process that led to the capture and killing of some a good law oh well first of all you go into

a dozen to invading afghanistan it's this mission was launched from afghanistan not starting guantanamo bay guantanamo bay if the president had his way president obama had his way he would to shut it down preemptively and we didn't get a say in the intelligence that we've got other get out of guantanamo bay in the last two years and the fact that we have military bases in afghanistan that possible good for us to go to pakistan and i thought we had gone into pakistan probation germany we had so you know you can't take away from the fact that president bush helped start the process that president obama finished both deserve credit enhanced interrogation techniques did help get this information i'm curious your take i think it's too early to say what exactly got the information we've heard a lot of conflicting things around what i would say is this george bush spent eight years waging a multiple wars and even get close to catching osama bin laden if he had focus purely on sort of smarter intelligence sort of good sort of counterinsurgency good counterterrorism i think that maybe could have gotten him i'm i'm obviously not

some of the men and women in uniform there who are limited yeah i mean you hear chris you know george bush shut down the bin laden unit in two thousand and five that because bill clinton put it together in ninety six and basically you know said we're not going to look for individuals anymore we're going to look across the world for terrorism i think if we're going to in two respects i think president obama deserves credit in george w. bush because deserves credit too i think george w. bush put the strategy in place to help find bin osama bin ladin but president obama was used cause i had the right tactic in order to actually catch him so i think they both deserve credit for what obama did was fundamentally a police action it's what bill clinton did after the. mcveigh blew up the building and what george bush did was a war action and i don't see how that led to twenty two twenty four guys going into a comma you have to remember that osama bin ladin was in afghanistan he had safe

haven with the taliban and because they are added to it as well not to us but to a third country well you know that was before before during the bush era to know you're going to play know right after nine eleven mullah omar said if you can prove if you can give us any evidence that this guy is involved we will arrest him and send him over to a third party then when bush started dropping bombs on afghanistan but no more held another press conference and said we don't even need the evidence anymore we'll just turn him over to a third country now this is also he said no i want to have a war. at the same time we're supporting al qaida and have been for years i don't know if he's the best credible person to rely on for this this information but i think it without going without going into afghanistan i don't think we would have been able to have captured osama bin ladin in pakistan there because you from afghanistan we were able to squeeze al qaida to the point where you think bill clinton could have gotten some of a in six months the george bush if he had decided to use the navy seals in the intelligence operations in a in a police strategy rather than a their army strategy that he could have gotten

a lot of new you're talking about americans versus people who are not americans who are cleared war against we declared war against al qaida in two thousand and one ok just not a country where you can't ok i mean you could orgasm you can declare war against al capone in the mafia you can declare war against bin laden and al qaeda where you can do is wage a very surgical sort of military police operations and intelligence operations and get in line which is what bush would have done if he couldn't negotiate with the taliban together or i mean live not here attachments or a bore president bush disappointed that there is on wednesday announcing he would not be releasing the pictures of bin laden with his head blown apart this is another president justified his decision you know coming sixty minutes or. it is important for us to. make sure that group very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head. are not floating around as. an incitement to violence as a propaganda tool. you know that's not who we are. i was president obama excuse

me meanwhile sarah pailin things that is that is who we are she tweeted showing photo show photo as warning to others seeking america's destruction no pussyfooting around no politicking no drama it's part of the mission so which america are we president obama's where we don't try to death photos as trophies or sarah palin's where we don't see foot around and we show that america can be just as brutal and violent as our enemies i think you know a lot of this talk is been about the sensitivity of the muslim world i asked what about the sensitivity of the nine eleven families and victims this picture could help put closure on this horrific tragedy to have any of them calling for what i think a lot of people would want to see this photo for rudy giuliani said the other day it's just it's going to get out there and it was a lot of conspiracy theory conspiracy that are out there thinking that this isn't really happened but i can show we did this with hooting and qusay hussein i don't see there was any and that was the bush you know i'm i'm going to show the trophies

well at the same time same thing with those or think of the message that would send to potential future terrorists they have words that were brutal killers i didn't think that that was america i mean i think the fact that you see the ruins in afghanistan and iraq so so the world that america can be brutal when i want to get the only issue that we can be wise you know i don't think it's going to make a huge difference either way whether release the picture or not but i don't think we should let sarah palin with a grand canyon terrorism experience from a still alaska be dictating what we do. but i think there are people on the right and the left that want the picture to come out i don't think there's any doubt in the part of americans of the some of the nuns but when you talk about a brutal killing of mean i hope you're not arguing that president obama didn't have the authority to go into pakistan and kill some of the you know i'm not what i'm arguing is what the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee said of multiple television programs day before yesterday that he had been on the house intelligence committee back in two thousand whatever it was when the when the great

pictures. came out and he and he had personally talked with commanders in the field who said that they had had men die because those photos were released and he didn't want to see any more of our soldiers well actually that was misconduct by american military officials were talking about a successful mission on the part of american soldiers american navy seal seal members who went in did the mission and i think it's historical it's something that either has been was going down to the said and. i does that i just don't think publishing work is necessarily something that we should you know we shouldn't do i don't think is going to make a big difference either way but what i would say is that you know be being triumphant about what you did is a lot different it's doing it if we're going to do things in the world we should do them in being trampled about them so that they're much prepared to sign is that enough of them right all at the same time you have to think about the message that the sons to the terrorists is that america is willing to go to any lengths to do it to go after somebody who harmed american way and we hear so little about you there

we're not even sure you're damn picture right well i guess it's a message to potential future terrorist you guys you know you this you know that's what that's what obama saying basically there have been a lot and he's nothing you know we're. any that's my take i will move along and i say one thing we learned from the fighting the killing of bin laden is that the president didn't need to her a one hundred thousand troops into pakistan on sunday night it only took a few dozen or so doesn't that prove the actual boots on the ground war was unnecessary for the so-called war on terror shouldn't we listen to afghan president hamid karzai and the growing voices in congress who paraphrasing promote senator george aiken comment to l.b.j. about vietnam say it's time to declare victory and burn our troops so. why why not just say you know yeah we can't stand as a country with a two billion dollar a year g.d.p. and we're spending fourteen billion dollars a year there isn't the same kiddo was more than osama bin laden there's a large organization of the taliban one hundred ruffed in afghanistan was

a threat and we toppled the tile. for reason in afghanistan so there still are threats in afghanistan to handle the taliban was the group that george w. bush the forty million dollars to to stop the opium poppies they did well snowball mar which took the forty million dollars in march of two thousand and one and burned to the fields and you can see the cia on their website you can see the drop in opium poppy production don't you think that if he had help us with this police operation is five hundred million dollars help us find bin laden or would have jumped at the we were harboring terrorists i mean they were harboring al qaeda they were harboring osama bin laden in their country feel free to jump in guys and what i would say you know in my in one of my previous jobs i worked as a counterterrorism role player for the partner of homeland security and one thing we learned about al qaeda is that they're everywhere they're everywhere in cells they're in seventy or eighty countries putting one hundred thousand troops in a country spending one hundred billion dollars a year killing great seal number of civilians that antagonizing a large part of the population getting involved in domestic political problems that

their primary concerns are domestic fighting other afghans not fighting with americans but they will take up arms to fight americans here and that's a really stupid way to deal with terrorism the best way to do it terrorism is a very surgical manner using military as a last resort primarily using police and special forces and basically dealing with these people in a way that doesn't bankrupt our country doesn't end up killing a lot in this example doesn't kill our own soldiers and chris isn't there a reason why they're not burning canadian flags over there. i mean shakes and learns no i think you make some good points i think we've gotten to a point where we're able to step back but it's because of the surge in afghanistan just very much similar like iraq they were able to get to this point were you know we could probably pull it off the sunni well the sick you know why would you take a fourteen billion and you know the average income in afghanistan is five hundred dollars a year why don't we just give everybody three thousand dollars a year which would be the fourteen billion saying hey you guys go you're richer that's part that's part of the problem but you're still going to have insurgents you're still going to have an active force that's going to be actually going to

germany kind of like this of the marshall plan that's what this is because it's ironic to. your hero the lefties hero president obama is still has troops in afghanistan he has not pulled out all the troops from iraq he's just initiated hostilities against libya he has not closed down guantanamo bay yet the left is siloed almost all of has pretty much prevented him from close it wouldn't they wouldn't fund the closing of guantanamo bay the last point. is they read read think progress a little more often if they were given a pass on the war as. you know finding me disagreeing with a whole lot of it well the focus has been a lot of republicans in texas are trying to sneak through some ritual welfare legislation and that state's governor bill would give tax breaks to people who buy yachts that are worth more than two hundred fifty thousand dollars after two hundred fifty thousand dollars no sales tax says republican house and ways and means chairman harvey build a brand said texas house republican it's one of those things you have to do though

it seems like an odd time to be passing a major tax giveaway to rich people since the state of texas is dealing with the largest budget deficit since world war two republicans are thirteen same time slashing nearly eight billion dollars from education in texas so there's jamming as many millionaires and billionaires on a luxury yacht as they can the republicans need a strategy to stimulate the economy. i don't think you can tie to education i think are two different entities if you're trying to make the argument that because we're going to lessen the tax burden the taxpayers pay for other things you're also makes is our exemption tax i think you guys like consumption taxes the sales tax you're making the argument that there's no you're no waste fraud and abuse that are already taking place in a budget that i'm talking about yachts this is a there's nobody wants to buy a five million dollar yacht they only have to pay sales tax on the first quarter million i'm somebody somebody's got to somebody has to build in some of these so that in fact this is texas is plan to build a building industry but you've got to think of all the people that build the yacht you have to think of the people that sell the you and the people who might even

work on that but i'm going to put out a business that will sell. building yachts in alabama mississippi and here's something i don't think we should be heading off tax breaks. at the same time cutting education it all comes down to save money it was a budgetary impact if you're going to get a million dollars for the tax base that might be a million dollars where less for education for investment for a really good infrastructure for police for firefighters and honestly there's things are a little more important than the tax base pay off typical liberal fashion liberals think that if you there's no economic impact of raising taxes and design you're going jobs. have a lot of jobs let me tell you schools create new jobs yachts pay a lot of jobs is a republican worldview and want to elaborate you believe that only good money you get government spending money and i believe that private enterprise you know i'm not a communist because i oppose a special tax rate for yachts i got to say that it's because i get i think you're connecting two separate things here you're making the case that essentially there's no waste fraud abuse in the government the government of weight management there's

a moving right away where you are absolutely right if you have already the government then probably wasteful but let's not leave even more money i. mean they're missing two trillion dollars so i guess you. can find there are just like our federal government there are certain hard choices that governments need to make what can we live with or can we live without and what would those just all be looking out from if you were at war and the afghan war they have that we live without the tax base for the it's a let's fund schools let's on the firefighters those things a little more you know as you say there is no what you and others if we seem to be coming close to a consensus last question quickly are two extremist right wing groups the oath keepers of the john birch society or among some of the sponsors of the rally preceding the fox news republican debate last night they had their own goose set up to throw their conspiracy literature at the tea partiers but the question is what are some lesser known sponsors of last night's republican debate could they be a trump spray on hair now or poor schmucks can have a million dollar to be pj's jerky tasting tasty treat straight i'm sure is shot

down into your mouth or see jihad tot. i peruse indorsed by congressman louie gohmert as the only defense against terror babies do you think you pick on louie gohmert ever. really got to get easier as a kid i mean fruit would it mean the debate was was fascinating it was good to have at least five of the candidates there yeah right i thought ron paul's hate let's legalize heroin was the sort of model he got but i don't but it is the blog. honestly you know that was that was a funny debate there seem to be more questions about serious issues on the other hand i was glad to see you're gay john said let's bring up a criminal justice crisis we have this country i was glad to see temple and he lies but off about his support for cap and trade in the past as bad as he can isn't backing up any of his bigotry so i'm glad the american people that say these people are about right and i was i was frankly led to see ron paul talk about the criminal side i mean the insane drug war on drugs i just think it's funny you mention that because i was watching the debate last night i had to pinch myself

a few times to run myself i was watching a republican debate you know the grandpa without the interludes and plenty cane and santorum i mean you could have thought you were watching a democrat or libertarian debate on their libertarian i mean that's what was going . on is this in favor of ending chara labor laws we want him for now that all right we got to stop. i think my take is that it's going to be torture kids did do it yourself torture kids now you can bring all of our waterboarding your kids play room including a bucket of wooden plank with a first white towel and a crisp elegy c. got it right johnny brian darling thank you thank you guys very much you know for sure. coming up a daily take on where so-called global free trade came from and where it's taking america.

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a few last week after reviewing over one million applications from the desperately unemployed mcdonald's announced it's going to hire sixty thousand new people flip burgers sixty thousand new hires out of one million seekers you have a better chance of getting into harvard and getting a job at mcdonalds right now that's just how bad things are for the unemployed in america. so how do we get here i don't we get to a point where america doesn't make anything anymore except for war machines that economy can be exploded once and burgers and french fries that can only be eaten once what happen to building things the last bridges schools roads the hoover dam things that add wealth to our economy for the answer to all of that we have to go all the way back to the dark days of world war two in one nine hundred forty four the war was finally turning against hitler and he was ramping up his extermination of the jews in the concentration camps against germany economists and

financial representatives of forty four nations arrived in bretton woods new hampshire to have a meeting they want to figure out a way to make sure the entire world doesn't again suffer a great depression as it did in the previous decade depression they gave birth to hitler's germany and out of that meeting an agreement was reached that spawned the international monetary fund the world bank and essentially laid the groundwork for a new global economy and for something we know very well today so-called global free trade. but it would take about fifty years for this agreement to be fully ratified by the united states congress that's because lawmakers for decades were worried that the bretton woods treaty is a particular republicans by the way as part of a worldwide communist conspiracy to create global rule there were also worries the treaties are inherently dangerous since our constitution says that treaties trump federal and state laws and thus the minute the sovereignty of the united states be taken very seriously and after enough time corporations with their newfound

personhood are gaining more and more influence in the halls of commerce and when these corporations look at free trade they saw a nothing but dollar signs you cheap labor pools new emerging markets who cares of america was for outsourcing these corporations would be reeling in massive profits and profits not patriotism or the name of the game so after fifty years in of ember of one thousand nine hundred four with heavy pressure from transnational corporate campaign donors our congress ratified the bretton woods agreement and the final pieces of it and most members of congress not even reading the treaty and the world order is asian the world trade organization was created and as ross perot famously warrant in one thousand nine hundred two presidential debates about free trade there would immediately be a giant sucking sound of jobs leave america and ending up elsewhere around the world in just two years after america jumped into free trade with. more than four

hundred twenty thousand jobs vanished and twenty eight billion dollars worth of business was lost it's pretty clear early on we got ourselves in a bad deal and we kept right on with more free trade him agreements more bad deals today more than twenty million jobs have been lost as a result and we currently have the second highest trade deficit as in we're buying more things in the world than we're selling ever recorded in the history of the world. the highest recorded trade deficit by the way was in italy in one thousand nine hundred four and economic damage that did italy lead right straight to fascist uneatable saluting taking power another consequence of these free trade treaties is that foreign governments and corporations could sue us and force us to change our laws to their benefit so not only do corporations have the rights of people yet none of the vulnerabilities as in they don't need to eat they die they can go to

jail and corporations are also now more powerful and sovereign governments they can force us the united states of america to change our laws to back semis their profits federal and local laws against products that exploited choice child labor products that exploited the environment and nature and products that exploited the health of those who made or used them i guess is all were struck down after we joined the. giving foreign corporations and governments free rein to race to the bottom to see who could sell the world more toxic junk for the lowest prices and the highest profits that's free trade for it and america is quickly becoming the bottom we can only offer up cruise missiles and fighter jets now meaning that our economy is dependent upon perpetual war which is a problem that even our fourth president james madison warned us of when he said no nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of perpetual warfare and aside from

up in the mass destruction our only other option is making french fries and thankfully when god is a stepping up to hire a few thousand workers to help our economy i just will overlook becoming obese and developing hypertension and diabetes and fast food but on the bright side when things get really bad all the corporations that used to build things in america will come crawling back because we have plenty of desperate low wage workers. but let's hope that before that happens a political party will stand up in america and i sure are wounded nation out of these so-called free trade agreements a political party that will protect us industry again with tariffs it will close tax loopholes for job outsourcers and will reinvest in a new american infrastructure that makes all u.s. businesses more profitable a party that a man's we make things in the usa again it's what we used to do for more than two hundred years from the founding of our nation until we fell for the scheme of free

trade sold to us by greedy transnational corporations only when that happens when that party rises up when people wake up when real people stand up to corporate power and say no more only then will we once again become a nation that knows how to go to the moon and not only that knows how to go to the boat and not one that only knows what temperature to fly fly can fry french fries. and that's the big picture the more stories among the stories you covered visit our website. and our team dot com also check out our you tube page at youtube dot com slash the big picture and entire show is available for free podcast on i tunes and don't forget democracy begins with you when you show up your of the cinema.

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