how can they loan a show you know if the real headlines with none of them are c r can we live in washington d.c. now the monthly jobs numbers are out so we'll tell you what areas are improving and what areas are still struggling and although bin laden has been killed the drone strikes in pakistan and even yemen continue so is the war on terror about to get

even more deadly and last night's g.o.p. debate was surprising on many fronts specially when tempah leonti said openly that he supported torture so what does that say about our country when supporting torture is just a regular part of your usual presidential candidates debate and then one news organization is following in the footsteps of wiki leaks creating their own it leaking website called safe house we'll tell you who this is al explain while why their version of the whistle blowing web site is nothing more i don't want to be we'll cover all that and have our friday version of happy hour in tonight's show but first let's move on to our top story. jobs numbers for the month of april were released today and the results are mixed well two hundred forty four thousand new jobs were added to the economy the most since may of two thousand and ten i don't point to back up to nine percent and that leaves at least thirteen million americans that are still out of work not even including the underemployed and unfortunately this wasn't a story of discouraged workers re entering the workforce in fact the labor market

participation rate remained the same but the bigger story today here is that the fortune five hundred list was released and it bound the profits of the nation's largest five hundred corporations soared eighty one percent over the last year so if the largest companies are nearly doubling their profits yet not hiring does that mean that america is in big trouble and the disparity between rich and poor has become irreversible joining me to discuss this from our studio in new york is kelly evans wall street journal ahead of the tape columnist kelli thanks so much for joining us tonight first starters you know we just can't seem to get a really consistent positive report month to month keeps wavering here even if we kept up at this pace of two hundred forty four thousand jobs we wouldn't be back to what they called normal until two thousand and seventeen but is there anything that you see that's really positive from today's numbers. i think actually the unemployment rate had fallen today people would look at this report as

a slam dunk so you saw finally some strength on the payroll side of things so private sector adding almost two hundred seventy thousand jobs this month overall we're now adding jobs about two hundred thirty thousand a month again for the last three months you know that's that's good we'll take it at this point but as you say you know the problem was even as we finally saw some strength on that side what we also got at the same time was a little bit of weakness in the household survey that generates the unemployment rate so take up to nine percent not a very encouraging move especially because it wasn't because we had a surge of people back into the labor force it was simply the more unemployed people last month i get i always hesitate against reading too much into any one month of this survey it's very volatile it gets revised not just the following month but often a year later so we see here again the weekly jobless claims series a little bit of softening lately and i think it remains to be seen whether that is picking up on some loss of momentum or recently that this survey isn't capturing i think exactly right these numbers that come out weekly monthly are definitely very

volatile but if we look at the fortune five hundred list they came out today and basically said that the largest five hundred corporations in this country increase their profits by eighty one percent you would think in a normal world that it would make sense and then these corporations would be hiring like crazy eighty one percent increase in profits what you know how do you how do you pretend to together there what would the disparity how do you own it. look i'll just say this that you know it's better to see profits increase then go down and that certainly can be more supportive of hiring in general but one of the puzzles has long been in this recovery that we've seen the strong rebound earnings one of the strongest of the shape rebound but we haven't seen the economy similarly follow that kind of trajectory and it's largely i think coming down to what we were starting to realize is that companies are doing well because of overseas demand and they're increasingly putting production in workers overseas and it's not just to cut costs as we started to see over the past decade or two a lot of companies go to outsourcing as a way of just bringing down costs generally you know

a lot of them are doing it now because that's where their customer base is and so you think about a company like young brands which owns pizza than taco bell and some of these where they get so many of their revenues and earnings at this point from overseas that to talk about the s. and p. five hundred at the fortune five hundred you're really talking about a global five hundred so it's encouraging again the police and earnings are growing i mean you got to have that in place for them to start adding workers and what the hope is now that we've seen productivity figures come down and companies have cut to the bone they're seeing a rebound they'll start adding workers in the u.s. but you know the u.s. remains a very expensive place to hire people into business relative to other parts of the world that's starting to change you're seeing inflationary pressures wage gains in china making some parts the world that once were low cost a little bit more moderate now and i will say that is spurring some manufacturing in the u.s. so again do companies doing well overseas is still better than not doing well at all and hopefully in the u.s. as we've had stagnant wages here for quite some time and other countries are seeing their costs go up will begin to look a little bit more attractive you'll see more companies hiring here and moving

operations back but it is it would be nice to see more strength in the u.s. we're not seeing that right now well you know it might be reassuring i guess on a grand scale you could say but what do you say to young people these days you know unemployment numbers for those for that are young that have just graduated from college are much higher than they are for the average american and you know i think often what happens you can look back at trends is that any time there's a recession you have a bit of this last generation that develops because. instantly they're pushed back their success rate is pushed back if you look at certain polls that have come out recently that already shows that young people don't have the optimism they think that they won't lead lives that were as good as their parents so how do you you know what do you say to young people do you think that they're going to be a lost generation and they just have to get over it or is there some kind of ray of hope. i don't want to generalize too much but it is certainly true that people who had better job prospects a couple years ago graduating in the workforce the same person today just might not have had the same prospects i think that is affecting confidence a view about the outlook the best case scenario is that it leads towards more

entrepreneurship of people trying to sort of do what they can in this environment to make money and that generates the kind of sort of healthy economic activity you want to see right now but it's not necessarily a very encouraging time for young people and i think that's partly because the broader sort of realization we're coming to as a society in terms of what we can handle debt levels the kinds of growth we're now getting used to the kinds of higher unemployment real likely to have going forward largely falls on those people who are now entering the workforce you know if you've got a job you're a little bit at least a better spot than a few years never have a job and so it's hard enough to kind of go through college now come out with so much debt and then suddenly realize that the job or the field you might be caring for is gone so i think there unfortunately is a lot of pressure on this group of people who have taken out a lot of dead new find themselves with not necessarily the kinds of job prospects are opportunities they had hoped for and i don't really know that there's a lot you can recommend other than that you have to trust that people will naturally find a way to either create opportunities for themselves or within the economy more

broadly and again that's a healthy development but it's one of the reasons why we haven't seen a stronger increase in household formation for example a lot of people in the twenty five to thirty four demographic that a couple of years ago might have been buying a house are now renting or they're living with their parents and if you plenty of anecdotal as my anecdotal examples myself of where this is happening and it doesn't sauce to really help the long term dynamic for you for the u.s. outlook it's one of the reasons why i'm a little bit cautious about the u.s. and you know unfortunately a lot of the does tend to fall on this particular generation demographic and i'm with you there in terms of the i know a lot of people myself that are my age friends of mine went to college with that still have yet to even have their first job straight out of school i think it's definitely going to be detrimental in the long run kelly i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight. thanks for having me. and now let's take the talk of jobs in the economy one step further your reports show that one in seven americans are on food stamps and the number of americans applying for unemployment benefits

reached an eight month high and the group seems to be getting hit the hardest as also the one you probably least expect lindo tells us about the dying american dream for the middle class. sunny southern california long a favorite destination for those pursuing stardom and wealth throughout the years families have lived the american dream of comfort and increasing prosperity but peace days many of those very pam lees are caught up in a nightmare of escalating poverty the economic crisis has touched the before untouchable middle class what we have seen in the last two years really with very fashion is an increase in the number of families for. some of them for the first tasia maybury is trying to raise her daughters while she struggles to keep a place to live the mayberry's are typical of the growing trend of families that slide from middle class to poverty and homelessness i thought i had the best of

everything you know that's why my son patter he was participating he with work and now with weapons so we didn't have to came on account. where prescriptions we had the best we were working that was then and this is now mean barry receives food stamps and relies on the nonprofit program beyond shelter so that she and her children have a bed to sleep in she said to overcome many challenges in her life but before maybe lost her job she never imagined she would be fighting to stay off the streets every day i think people are aware without honestly that how are we going to sleep job security is gone the unemployment rate is stuck in the double digits around the los angeles area with few opportunities for a well paying jobs more americans are seeing their wealth disappear it is estimated that banks will take back more than

a million homes this year due to foreclosure another sign that housing affordability across the u.s. continues to decrease this is the middle class neighborhood where taisha may be. entered two daughters used to live before she lost her job it's only a few blocks away from the ocean and in the shadows of the scenic downtown long beach skyline it took only a few months to go from a life of relative comfort for a life of insecurity where she had no idea where her family would sleep at night los angeles is the heart region in america for homelessness where more than forty thousand people have no place to sleep on a nightly basis mission white family homelessness has risen nine percent in the last year according to a recent report by the u.s. conference of mayors the real numbers may actually be much higher i'm out of works on balance and i'm here to this friend's house to their friends house not i'm in

different cities just to try to find work doing nichols lived comfortably for years working as a floor installer now he's an employ and cannot be read nichols relies on the kindness of loved ones in food stamps social programs to help stressed families hang on are about to be lost to political gains as lawmakers in washington wrestle with future budget cuts while battling to save tax cuts for the richest this nichols fears could push many whole ready desperate families over the edge i think are food stamps. honestly i think that the shills will cry for the love because people were given this they don't want to swarm us we don't want to steal. i don't i want to go out there and still for food but if push came to shove like they wrote what else much closer to where am i going to do is a question mayberry ask yourself daily ever since she joined the army of the newly poor and struggling to raise her children hoping for

a hollywood ending to her story a little every day. playing. in los angeles something that little archie still ahead tonight just days after osama bin laden's death the u.s. launches more drone strikes from strikes inside pakistan so how the war on terror just seen an uptick and on the u.s. has claimed for years that we don't torture but during a g.o.p. debate last night a candidate who wants to be president actually advocated for torture on national t.v. can i ask what does that say about the future of our country. given that we've been a part of the world. we

haven't got a chance to say get ready for freedom. hey guys welcome to show and tell me obama shall we part of our guests have to say on the topic now i want to hear audio has gotten you seem to video response on to twitter profile of the questions that we've posted on you tube every monday and on thursday the show long responses we've got we have. for. a. few minutes.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture . the same. if you thought the death of osama bin laden meant the end of the u.s. drone campaign in pakistan and other countries think again just four days after the bin laden raid the u.s. carried out a drone attack in north waziristan killing fifteen people and included those labeled as militants as well as at least one civilian also for the first time since

two thousand and two the u.s. carried out a drone attack in yemen reportedly according to u.s. and yemeni officials killing two al qaeda operatives and it's a sharp turn back to violence and targeted killings after a raid that many hoped. would signal of slowdown of the war on terror and many are also speculating as to whether the new intelligence for this writes may have come from the so-called treasure trove of intel found inside bin laden's compound so is this just an escalation of our military's love for unmanned killing machines and could bring more resentment from the countries in which we conduct these operations or discuss this with me as former u.s. army captain matthew thanks so much for being here tonight my pleasure not only that it would be foolish for anyone to think that just because osama bin laden has been killed that means the war on terror is over and of course the of our administration has been very open about that that's not the case but they do expect it to ramp up again so quickly well actually this pretty much means what i thought was going to happen you know the interesting thing about the bin ladin really is

that we've now seen over the past ten years the senior leadership of al qaeda seems to have taken the hide in plain sight strategy for trying to stay off the radar remember it's a lot of sense if you think about it it's far easier to blend into a large city of several hundred thousand even several million as opposed to hiding out in these villages in north waziristan where you're probably going to be the only arab family living around so there is a question of who we've been bombing for these past couple of years and i think what it shows is that there's probably other targets particularly senior members of the taliban leadership that we're probably going after so a drone strike in north waziristan it's not surprising we're probably been targeting the same people who are more or less. these taliban leaders or other lower level al qaeda tapes that have been there for a long time that we know are still there and i think you'll probably see at least a continuation of that so long as the pakistani government allows us to continue these flights i mean if you look at where the drone strikes happens it's very clear there are certain areas of pakistan that the government does not let us bomb for

example for example closer is where the commies might be associated in. places in terms of yemen that's a whole separate branch of al qaeda and i think you're going to you're going to see continued strikes against the evidence that i believe seen comes through that there's been some sort of split now for fracture ization if you will and that makes a lot of sense the the commander had to really go to ground after nine eleven in the afghan invasion and what you've seen is a really effective splintering of the group or you almost have this semi autonomous group within yemen within saudi arabia that are capable of conducting their own attacks and carrying out their own sort of operations i think that's who we're been targeting but so do you think that makes it even more dangerous in pakistan i guess at this point unfortunately they're used to our drone strikes we haven't had a real drone strike in yemen since two thousand and two right now of course is experiencing a massive unrest in terms of its people and everyone wants him out of office we

still far have been pretty tight lipped on the entire situation and so now if we not only look as the country that continues to support even other people want to go and a country that has decided that we're going to go back and start drone strikes in the country again what happens if they do get him out of power you know does not want us into more danger of who then gets to take the leap the great question and i don't think we have an answer for i mean we're hoping that he does stay in power because if he's replaced by a civilian government that does not want us there i mean that program that quite frankly our troops probably if we have soldiers there or whatever it is conducting those operations they stop which would take away probably our most effective way of targeting that know it all kind of gives to a point that you kind of hitting on which is that. the real danger here is not necessarily the leadership as opposed to the ideology that inspires people to take up terrorism as a tool and that's you know drone strikes seem to only inflame the people around you to get more and more angry at the united states you've got to question these might be a short term solution but long term we could be creating future generations of people

who want to strike back against us so why do we do it and why is the obama administration i mean obviously what the bush administration did in terms of detainee hundreds perhaps thousands of people torturing them putting them in the black sites prisons that didn't really help not only help the current efforts now we're just killing instead of asking any questions or detaining people but that also seems detrimental i mean. in the context of what is happening on another attack on u.s. domestic soil could be in there with the american people have positively reacted to a white house and said listen we stop drone strikes because we're trying to pursue a more long term strategy that would and this ideology and really approach it from the perspective of how we dealt with communism which was you know george tenet writes the long telegram and you can't and ideology that's a very nice dream to how much i can tell that are fully an ideology i don't think you can ever fully whole point is would you accept that as an american citizen if there is an effective attack you should know i want to you demand that the white

house should be taking more action in targeting these people that are trying to kill american citizens and that you know let me just say for a second i think that american citizens for the most part have been pretty silent when it comes to drone strikes yet is that something that the administration also trying to tries to keep under wraps is things that only we talk about but then when they saw the reaction that americans had to the death of osama bin laden everyone running around chanting in the streets holding american flags suddenly do they think that indicates that that makes it ok that we want to see more drone strikes with blood lust i don't know what you call it and i think it certainly disassociated member was it was a seal team that when you got him on as opposed to a drone strike i think the american people just want to see the. go i mean i personally was happy to see when i joined the army after nine eleven a list of the first guys on uniform because of that i personally feel like we kind of got our victory over japan andelman in some ways i mean that was our whole justification for being in afghanistan it was a whole justification of the war on terror if we get the number two also here i say

we did a great thing the problem is those that that are you know allergy remains is going to be pervasive it's going to spread and the drone strikes give some sort of credence for a reason why these people should continue to hit the united states and there have to wrap it up i'm sorry converse at a time that very quickly you know you had a few words to say about the helicopter in pakistan how dangerous that is for you it's huge if you create too far into the chinese that we have a capability china is pakistan's largest weapons developer we give pakistan the most of its military aid but it does all of its weapons development with china that's huge i would be surprised if there was somebody from the chinese government . asking do you know how much is going to cost to get a piece of this tale if you look there's no rivets that skin was probably some type of infrared absorbing radar absorbing skin that we've kept under wraps for years and it has a broader implication not just for our relations with china but our military military capability but india now has got to wonder if pakistan have alternately get some type of stealth capability i have got to look is congress got

a nice look at some of our shiny machinery and i mean the whole lot more money is going to start going over to those programs i want to thank you very much my pleasure and i thank you. and there's been a lot of talk about torture this week after it came out about letters to osama bin laden's courier or statements made by muhammad and i'm. all in cia custody now out of the many lines in the bad leads given by these men and hundreds of other detainees eventually and nom de guerre came through that after years of continued intelligence work and operatives on the ground in pakistan and afghanistan finally led us to the real name and phone number and eventually osama bin laden's compound but despite numerous intelligence officials white house officials even former bush officials saying the. waterboarding did not lead us to a solid and lot and many on the right of continue with the lie that torture has been vindicated but it has perhaps been most shocking is that in last night's g.o.p. debate in south carolina the topic also came up in tim paul and he said the following . we need to do everything we can within our value systems and legal structures to

make sure that doesn't happen i support and should share addition techniques on your limited circumstance. so it makes you wonder how far we've come as a country in the last ten years and not in a good way has it really become acceptable to support torture and a mainstream televised political debate and to criticize those who oppose it if you want to discuss this is matthew alexander former senior military interrogator who conducted or supervised over thirteen hundred interrogations in iraq and he's currently a fellow at u.c.l.a. burkle center for international relations and the author of the book kill or capture about the i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight first starters do you recognize this country today where it's ok to openly casually talk about torture or enhanced interrogation techniques and a pulitzer in a televised debate for president. i don't want to hear things like that mr polanski by the way two years ago so bad your vision picnics go against the more

fabric of this country so obviously it is the personal has a little bit with his presidential candidacy but you know if we need an example of why torture is incompatible with american principles we just have to go there first president george washington was your war told us as much that we're sure it's not it's because the despite whether or not it works or states' rights is not compatible with earth right. now i'm just wondering of course it's always hard to look back and try to you know to try to say that things could have been different but you yourself you know you are an interrogator you say that torture is not the best way to get information out of people this is the same report coming from so many interrogators out there so do you think that we could have gotten to bin ladin not almost ten years later but much earlier had we not been waterboarding collegiate muhammad hundred eighty three times. without a doubt it think we would have done much earlier we had reports of torture for several reasons one is it's not just the interrogation it was certainly knew.

everything about the way he did by the name of the courier what he did if you refused to acknowledge the courier that he knew him or that he would ask you and we're being told that it was confirmation. in the. but there's also numerous who didn't provide it and not just because they were tortured but because they saw other muslims or body. in this in addition to the numerous new terrorist words. or. so why do you think despite those facts and there have been a lot of people really digging into the documents and looking back at the timeline and trying to get the truth out there why is that still the line that so many republicans former bush officials are saying you know even him calling you out by saying that torture is what got us to osama bin laden i'm going to get the night

off. well i think. a lot like president obama. work out well for the upcoming presidential race so that's part of. and part of it is the people who are in the people who order the former president bush or vice president cheney and bill are all trying to cover their rear end for having or does which set us back on the run in now that's actually coming out of this is that the waterboarding. ever got it was that you denied knowing the name earlier and earlier that. why do you think the politicians and the pundits the people who have never actually come face to face with a detainee and had to interrogate them you know be it enhanced interrogation or not why are they the ones that always push for torture and yet people like yourself don't. i don't know i think it's because. i'm not sure what i know is

the best one to get going back to work to where we didn't torture people. the germans and japanese the others and effectively interrogate prisoners of war time and again without torture. we found saddam hussein without torture found in the suburbs or cali iraq without torture i'm not sure why they're not listening to you . been doing that successfully for more than half a decade do you think that unfortunately somehow the death of osama bin ladin you know this storyline that went down the line link them to collegiate mohammed has become a bit of a turning point where people are no longer asking whether torture is wrong. it is wrong it's something of a country though is that like you said even from our founding with george washington that we do not torture and now the entire conversation is based around does it work or not. and that's a tragedy because there's other things that we don't use that certainly work the

example chemical weapons the u.s. infantry and certainly save lives by using a weapon that's one hundred percent effective but they don't do it because it works it doesn't work it's because it's immoral and out of the laws or they get out of work there are tons of those same thing with flame throwers there's numerous items that we could compare that we are using now based on i think this is our argument based on our. map i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight and you know i think it's really important to hear it from the source from someone who has been there that this is not a tactic that we should rely on thanks very much. now still to come tonight a lot of talk show host doctoring questions why no country music stars have released songs about killing osama bin laden after tonight's tool times and the wall street journal wants to even be leaking leaks but can the mainstream newspaper really be a safe place to leak information it's only back in just a few months.