he with r.t. live from moscow recapping our top stories warns of syria to stop the bloody crackdown on protesters or face fresh sanctions this comes as reports emerge of troops storming a hub of anti-government protests also comes a day after demonstrators took pradhan what they called a day of defiance that left thirty people dead. it's a ready aim for russian troops who are putting the finishing touches to the display

in moscow just ahead a victory day thousands of soldiers marched right through the heart of the russian capital with some of the country's finest military hardware and an american gun owners get fired up over openly carrying their weapons saying is the last line of defense on home soil. violence armed citizens say they have a right to protect themselves from an increasingly dangerous society. will dawdle be here in half an hour's time from now almost seven decades after the end of the second world war public opinion in different countries remains split over who contributed most to victory it was discussed in spotlight that's coming your way in just a few. hello

again a welcome to spotlight. on. our going out and today my guest on the show is your shania more than sixty five years after the end of the nazi regime public opinion in different countries is split over who contributed most to the victory some praised their house but others share the sacrifice between the allies others even know who was at war with. how should we treat our world war two and what is the most balanced. here's the president of the law school school of social and economic science is shot. shortly after the

liberation of paris and forty four paul held in france show the people consider the soviet army is their main liberators now almost seventy years on people in europe seem to have a different viewpoint on this. believes there are a number of reasons he says while some countries value the world war two legacy the others nearly forget it is the world war two becoming a key topic and all interesting only for historians here's our guest. mr shine your welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us today. first of all speaking about the history of world war two is it interesting today only for historians or should it be a matter of interest for why the book was it should be definitely. true. public opinion if this assessing.

to reach extent it actually happens is another month or so people who know quite a lot of things they're on the minority and people who. don't know about it and look exceedingly surprised to hear about facts which seemingly. well you know you thought in many countries and you lectured lectured people of different. where did you see the best knowledge of the history of the second world war and it's still your business. there are support of court and such places for you to and. why because why do you think because these were the countries that suffered a lot or because the communist propaganda. noising to begin v tietz because your perfect family be somebody which is usually a grandfather it's not

a no longer. their grandfather who was involved either getting himself shot of just fighting. but zanny you have it. much closer to oneself it's like the living history when you hear the stories from measuring there's no exactly zero in august of people who actually close. down as years go by so the ignorance is rising yes i think some sort of people in the streets are rushing to london paris which country contributed to the victory of the nazis let's now listen to opinions from different parts of the world. the chorus i mean they help with all the investing of the war and everything else i would say. the u.s. or france or. france united states i think. they have.

enough to look. at and. i think it would make it run. in. sports because. it would involve the longest the involved at the start i mean. really miracles. to mali i think you i. recently joined my father was in warsaw. because of him and his colleagues when he tries to say russia be one of them and also to stay so as they stay she comes to be quite a great deal to winning this.

in the first place england in the second the united states. and the third place i'd say. is a. my god. i have nothing to. do and why is the english in first place just because churchill was the leader who succeeded best in countering the germans i think. militarily it's the united states it's objective i think just after it's the soviet union after all it lost sixty two sixty two million civilians i think all countries which were massacred contributed to the victory of the nazis and i just. i don't know the ras well down. to well i think i think the reason for the people praising the us is definitely saving private ryan i mean the movie because it was fantastic and things like that i like true stories which people remember but i can understand that but

what would just take why don't people know a lot about the soviet contribution which was enormous. maybe we don't show was side of the story in the russians look at our show this side of the story you have to get. people subject about it and. on that basis some understanding from them and then they're saying for people not be true because. to schools and universities is extremely limited and then you're counted thirty minute knowledge go by more newspapers or something and well i've got a newspaper quote here it actually shows how the public opinion was changing how it was transformed ever since our after the war after nine hundred

forty four nine hundred forty five here's a quote from a french newspaper le monde diplomatique. in the september one thousand nine hundred forty four right after paris had been liberated the reasons were pooled in which country contributed most to the victory sixty one percent said it was the soviet union twenty nine percent thought it was the united states sixty years later the same organization asked the same question this time twenty percent said it was the soviet union and fifty eight percent the united states after a decade a reading of the red army continues to diminish. do you think of this is the reason i rather say the thing the reason for this is the cold war the post cold war not dealt with at first because because it blocked any

possibility to get something of a thirty four gallons of fuel of what was happening. and it was enough. i would say there are some others about them because you mentioned things that were really happening on the ground during the war on the occupied territories near the fronts do western people people in the west today students do they have any idea of the german behavior of the behavior of the nazis of the atrocities and occupied. it doesn't matter because it's difficult to imagine. i mean the cruelty of the world of this stuff or. it's a normal englishman. would consider human and impossible to imagine for. i think that. that is sufficient to stop people film

inquiring or conceiving or something and. there is a very good quote from george orwell once wrote that who controls the present controls the past and who controls the past controls the future do you agree that people in power governments the presidents will always want to grab history and to control the history of their country and maybe author of the world no doubt about that and what i know for a fact is that the extent to reach people in of different countries which includes in europe russia and england. the planter's which ole west is. fundamentally this story for probably defines what is happening there's

a why are we trying to get support get when he gets funding it and the standing from governments when we when we explore this we shouldn't shouldn't the word the work of historians be there be considered destructive anti governmental or. this is some two for one of it's not the people you'll stop talking easter they will simply get even the worse information of history versus a deal of. what is happening today not one. of his attorneys you useful because it gives a smile. that. is independent and independent historian something that is possible today a person who is not who is not subsidized funded not supported by government

agencies. what is possible definitely is a balance these systems that is somebody who was self evident and. never once thought that world history. and the moment you accept that this follows a better understanding of history comes the moment people accept. that money is the new. one. over history do you do you see a lot of people like that. and countries which have less of it and. levels of education because. all much here we have seen and followed. especially by students i know the

better educated people. says toad or shannon president of the moscow school of social and economic sides spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us we'll continue this interview in minute to. play. the settlers. bringing you the latest in science and technology from the russian. we've got the future covered. mission. could you take three. three.

three. three. three. the old sleep long live video for your media project the street medio don carty dot com. her. walkabouts the spotlight i'm in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today's terror shailene president of the north pole school of social and economic sciences we're talking about the second world war the war. in which nazi germany was defeated by allies who were trying to understand why people today don't have enough knowledge back then what should be well in the very beginning you said that they should the people should study that what isn't it time to forget for example you spoke about people telling

the stories my granny there told me the stories about the war she was not the front she was she was in moscow she was under the shelling she she saw people die next door in the street but she never told the story and she never watched war movies she said i want to forget it i want you to forget it don't you like this attitude towards tragic moments in history where you simply turn. on the home and menacing so we would both of good but to forget is not to too full gives is not to know and to lose you to understand the future and clues are disturbed because we are in discern the servicing of the scholars. this is the kind of company to be sure a long night. here and it might be. acceptable

to. the feelings that you have to know because you are. able to understand today and also. against. which can happen still russia among the winner is the main winners in world war two but he said i understand who we are and if we want to explain to the people of this country that we are a nation of winners is remembering were enough today after sixty five years that he did not have because one has to save the. come to who lost the first year old you will. come to those who find him so fighting a game is not see his. one

a year. become play. into the hands of the german. food and all the sins of the youth it was then promptly used against the rules of this one to return to stem the positive and effective and we're also we were a country or women which after nine hundred forty four after the end of the war watched has other countries first of all the united states took advantage of the results of this cause so in this system the stand tall complex the stories he's extremely important and by dovey it advocates that is to my belief of my students who are good historians and. understand their leaders today better how they are winners in a war is in general. if we look if we look a hundred two hundred thousand years into the history are there real winners in wars we're not i think there are you know. if we understand to be.

not a story. but pink's good of everybody being unbelievably. well apparently he was but he but he ended miserably at the yeah he lost yeah last i mean i mean you have to understand the kind of cause even though other people. didn't. so the whole thing is to give people of the strength the complexity of a ality and as such it's an extremely useful exercise let's get back to to the state of the relationship of the states and historians like yourself in teaching history in remembering history what should be the role you said historian should be independent he should be balanced but what's the role of the state get out of this state the terms understood that this will give on to governing first us industry

because their hands which will meet thirty balanced picture. of the past and. it isn't permitted if you come to view she's kind of typical and balanced. listen a bit of a way of looking at seeing scandinavia saying to take an example that's a country where people understand a little better saying. here. because i. thought. those things that should be taught one of the arguments is that knowledge good knowledge of the second world war the results of the second world war and the events of the second world war are a good argument against neo nazi ism today do you agree. no doubt it is an argument again. over the stripes it is also.

a lesson in how. until matters lose bettles. because they did not know how to handle the situation and how to handle their later but what makes neo nazis and popular in russia it is becoming popular these days we should as mitra why in a country which you say has a good knowledge about the war we remember we remember the ones they still are but we see people like that marching in the streets of russian cities it's it has been exceedingly insufficient of it of what was being or. less of it to mean england. united states the people the little about from. the you you you you what you're saying is that the russian students knowledge of the war is not sufficient. no it's not in your opinion definitely insufficient quietly. because

there's a problem of how you teach in this. blue kish good school a good university teaching a very vision of the people listen to you because they say why do you say on one hand on the other on the one hand you see of the other. the. way not to say what is true the british system of education is exemplary for many so then why would a british prince where the swastika so i'd like to remember that thing is it is a just a joke or maybe these films and these and these would maybe years knowledge makes a sort of you know fancy trying to dress like. i think it's a first league girl stupid. because. of the have and this is. video. i don't i don't question the education inside the well family so what should

have happened to make them to think etc i said of dedication. is not always the best of the book so. that some diverse of the worlds of self they often say themselves that they have a lot. of disturbing maybe they're just being modest. it's very modest and no i don't think so it may be sometimes it's pointless to but subterfuges their lives. people in the streets of moscow let's get back to moscow are you know who made the greatest contribution to the victory in the second world war here are the words of people well. there's no doubt that russia contributed the most to the victory over nazi germany i'm seeing it not just because i'm russian myself but because it's true the most lives for from the very beginning until the end of the war unlike the allies we see the

world that's all there is to it. i think it was the u.s.s.r. because according to official data the u.s.s.r. lost the most soldiers now to germany hit this country the hardest as far as i know from history classes the allies participated a lot less than the u.s.s.r. . so useful nothing the soviet union contributed the most because the war was mainly on its territory and many people were killed the west helped too but this week three was important to everyone we will never forget their names yes. i think a country that unfortunately no longer exists the u.s.s.r. contributed to the victory over nazi germany why did it happen because the u.s.s.r. mobilized all its resources and freed not only its own territories but other countries as well. i'm convinced that the soviet union contributed the most to the victory over nazi germany despite the actions of the country's leadership and so

you people won the war sacrificing millions of lives. well so here we have these opinions but people certainly know the main thing that we contributed that that that that most of the battles were on the russian soil but there are gaps in the knowledge of russians on day and especially i mean their knowledge of the role of the allies i think. peace reaches present. is a very good to explain. much this knowledge she's lucky because the first sentence in the piece i noticed was the. longest. unbelievably easier we joined the two years. to years in which we not just nearly over and over but because. steve did not seem to

come to a lot of materials which then later used against us as a matter of clarity of it as a matter of fact this was this was a very clever trick by the soviet propaganda because because they separated the great patriotic war of russia against germany from the second world war and this war the great patriotic war the dates are forty one to maybe forty five and that's it and there were no poland no africa and so once this was the soviet propaganda trick to make the russian people believe that we were only we fought in the war and those capitalists they couldn't have been really our allies right. right oh this is what we thought we want to. do of this is out of this young. kid on the. oh you know it's and. clear. you thought big. clash thank you thank you very much for the weather center just to

remind that my guest in the studio today was the president of the moscow pool of social and economic standards and the third for now from all of us here spotlight will be parity and take thank you mike tyson. we'll. bring you the latest in science technology from the ground. we've got the future coverage.

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