live from moscow this is our team the headlines. marks a victory day with a grand parade thousands of soldiers lost through its way the company that more than one hundred miniature vehicles and that rock. nato stages new attacks against colonel gadhafi forces in libya are the leaders of the international coalition a four hundred point is crossed increasingly hard to plan. and critics say america's push for democracy in the middle east has been distorted by its continued presence

in iraq this point promises to withdraw us as a loser trying to control the region's seuss's so for moving on to egypt. well next to it leavelle and his guests discuss why the global antiwar movement seems to have gone somewhat quiet will do it could be tied to simpson presidencies cross-talk is next. victory day is very special to all russians almost every family in russia has someone who died fighting the nazis to talk about how that war is perceived now more than sixty five years later i'm joined by a professor of history and international relations jeffrey roberts from university college school a soviet ologists who wrote a number of books devoted to the world war two and joseph stalin professor thank you very much for being here now your views are often challenging the widely

accepted perceptions let's start with the second world war twenty seven million people lost their lives in what here in russia is the great patriotic war how many people worldwide do you actually know how big this figure is i think it's a shock it's a short trip report. russia the former soviet union that the cost of that war. the year that the statistics or are astronomical you compare march of millions of it with the british it was less than four hundred. it's really not. worth. because in fact there's many as all other companies going on here so i think it's shocking as well as surprising when they're listen i think the sacrifices of the sort of people in the great petrified world are quite well known you know that it's particularly since the end of the cold war there's been. progress recognition

of the soviet row and the second world war i think that most people globally if they know about the war thought would agree with except it was primarily the soviet union that won the so the second all it will make great sacrifices was the greatest picked up off the world and win the war in its own by any means it wanted in association with the united states and other countries but nevertheless you know the soviet union was the key to victory over the nazis in the second world war but as a historian do you feel there is a tendency to rewrite history what is always a tendency to rewrite history as in that particular body politic its people are not the story and yet every country has its own perspective on the war and every country sees the war from a some perspective in the same is true of russia you know so for example one example of russians was stressing of the role of the soviet union in winning the war as someone who uses british i was stressed britain's role in the early part of

the war in standing alone against it when the soviet union was a neutral something within the bounds of the law and so we've not seen any for a while so certainly country sees it from a different perspective places a different emphasis i don't see it as a problem i see that's come natural part of the discussion about all aspects of a strike but. let's take a modern young generation is there a deficit of historical knowledge and you're very definitely yes which is why. the television stations like your stamp devote so much time to to history yes i think there is there's a deficit in russia and then i mean or love a country which let's take for example the united states if we're talking about the knowledge deficit i. i wonder just how many americans think that the united states won the second world war singlehandedly i think probably in the case of the united states is probably more ignorance of the general picture of the war than there is

in other countries so it's probably all those other countries in the war in the united states than elsewhere not doesn't just in the war on this prickly complacent britain about as you cited the holy war does ocean of the war on presenting it as it was to americans to now having said that of course united states did play a very important role in the world as the soviet union's support for the main supply of the i was so i would people say that they should recognize our country's role as well because of course the russian contribution the sort of consternation for the last year when russia commemorated the sixty fifth anniversary of victory day a russian research center found that most russians believe that the red army the subnets union could have defeated hitler without western assistance as a historian do you think it's a breeze on part of the russians know what r.p. is hoop or something it's true that the sub he could have if it nazi germany only

saw but it would have taken a lot longer and not spread across and of course it would have taken the country much longer to recover off the subsequent war so yes the soviet union didn't ultimately need to win the war but. it's a long swim particularly not so some great britain. helped it so when the war were quickly done for the boys in the case your book stalin's was from world war two the cold war for focuses on stalin obviously in one of your interviews you said he was a key historical figure of the twentieth century but he also said that you had a lot of respect for him why the word respect. i'm not sure i used the word oh maybe i did we're used the word for suspects but some some people accuse me of being a style in which i'm not so but having studied him very closely for many

years i'm very impressed and if you want to call being impressed with respect i'm not sure it's still would the what are you selling price was you michael stylings will says that it was struggling with his leadership with his contribution it's very possible where you may be quite probable that the soul you would have lost the world not yet not consider him to be that important historical figure if that's true then the course he's the most important figure all day of the mid twentieth century and none of the most important think is of the twentieth century itself even more important than. i think but you know i have i may be impressed by stuff and i'm also very critical of stuff. particularly at many crimes that were committed by human blood his regime should be criticised and praised measure a price for his role in the correct war but criticised for his dictatorial rule of

the soviet union so what in your opinion was his role in bringing the second level after the most important thing about his role was that he held his in the mind. the cohesion of his leadership and of the the group of people around him and i think you also inspire confidence inspire confidence not just in these. cool and among the soviet elite but among the soviet population in general so you know he's the kind is the symbol that holds the whole country together a sickly cheer in the critical early months of the world to know that he's also the ninth study of the soviet war thought that the whole. warthe revolves around him about his abilities as an organizer as a mr right or as a cool night so i was the lead to so i don't really think you can you can underestimate style his role if he's he was indispensable and i doubt that any monk

would have taken his place what about churchill roosevelt how did they perceive. what i perceived to be very positively they were great friends. they refer to the most as i and the three leaders got on very well you will time summits. and you'll touch on this and i will point to. you know my positive view of starling as a war leader he's not you need somebody i mean it's a view to that's widely shared not just in russia but also among western historians and of course at the time of some of the cheering the war it during the second model there was widespread recognition of the importance of. stalin was not just a great hero to so many people here in the second world war he was the great hero of the allied people as well i think clooney well maybe not hero to stalin. churchill and roosevelt but they see. him greatly and it's appreciating to see his

role in the in the knuckles that contemporary you old style person if you will gets lost the second world war in the context of the outbreak of the cold war the thigh ended up right down off the ground the loss between britain the soviet and united states i would say. stalin and the soviet side just another stalin old soviet union wanted. a cold war the you know. try to avoid a cold or need a cold will broke out. they went to great lengths to actually bring the cold war. to an end so. on the western side the cold war was broken out there was a much more positive engagement with the cold war was on the subject saw it there was a reluctance to become involved in the cold war and continuous efforts to revive you

know the ground lost one of the great feats of post-war sort of foreign policies a desire to return so that because of the lines there is an initiative in russia these days to officially recognize crimes of silence that i tyrion regime some go as far as putting stalin and hitler. a level. do you believe they are historical equals. no i talked to i think stalin's crimes are different from those crimes almost all in wasn't. a genocide or pillow. style you most likely this thing utopian. he believed that it was necessary to use the audience to achieve. for all its rules this commission tokyo a lot of people a people people who started to see this plane is enemies and the enemies of the soviet system. can't kill people because of their

rice and style they have people killed because of what he saw as being their politics and god you. know about. i think that's that's perhaps a good thing the genocidal killer like because the thing about stalin is stalling defeated hitler had hitler won the war what would have happened there would have been another domenici europe and ethnic cleansing a massive genocide on the continental scope for me there's no greater historical criminal than hitler stalin. was guilty of all across i wouldn't put him in the same league as him but do you believe that's an opinion why the shared outside their circle of. and that's what it's the idea that stalin and hitler. were equals as criminals of course is very much in the light of the cold i think the idea that richer and clinical and there are many people today in the west maybe you'll find out that they want to continue the cold war and some

film and one of the ways they pursued the cold war sort of call ideological struggle including about the war and including about stalin i'm hitler so it's an idea that does have quite widespread appeal but i think that you know i mean most people but also people would recognize that stalin did a lot of good as as a lot of us as well as a lot of. you have. played a huge role historically what was was of service to humanity as a whole and actually winning or helping to win the second world war professor roberts thank you. thank you. wealthy british style sun. times.

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sports with a test. thank you carrie hello and welcome to watching this pulse of day the headlines russia lose two defending champions the czech republic of the world championships. he's already showed. a victory day djokovic lost the madrid lost in spinal. over the spaniard on clay. the veterans of the battlefield who went on to the gun stalls on the school is filled with gathering at a stadium to celebrate and a member a tree day. and we begin with the ice hockey well championships as russia went down to the czech republic and it can hold some of the group stage game on sunday three to holly's dentist alexander ovechkin flame disposed game for the school of national since joining with the school with up to the washington capitals were

dumped out of the n.h.l. playoffs both the czechs and the russians were already through to the last eight however in group after meanwhile the swiss were eliminated from that's on the met by this sweets. to the russian football premier league now where the spoils have been shared in the latest. nama and says call securing a point of peace in sunday's opening thanks jim it's not open early on sort of ignatieff which credit to the final touch up to just for one minute stick with them in front and wonder a strike from andriy of water want to invent druids novel level just before the hall of time. is brilliant shots from the formidable man made one want how about be a man lead to have secured all three points one seemed to have it home ten minutes from time to time and do not know when to ensuring or why and things to mark along the further you got on both sides moved up to twelve points from seven games after

the civil trial. and those gloves are now three points behind surprisingly does have sequel buy elsewhere champions in need have ever seen it seem to go top as well but instead of a jew with little might see if i'm carmel moved. off the beach inspired by small school and former champions are being beat new boys and secrecy and are. talking english football now when manchester united have all but secured the premier league title sluggishness charges be chelsea meaning they're now a full six points they are all the blues with only two games to go. strikes from javier in on this and he might he have be did she make the difference at old trafford while frank lampard that of want what chelsea elsewhere else will slims i hope so. had been denied by stove before that while wolves as their way out of the relegation zone following a three one win over and west ham and later on monday in little bold travel to full on. now barcelona moved closer to their third consecutive league title on sunday

with a window but as spaniel and the company entre c.d.'s to open the scoring midway through the first half firing home of the new post after this first child bounced off a defend. and pep guardiola as man doubled their advantage right after the break hobbies who want to keep found gerard piqué and had been for two males but also melanie just the one from the three matches remaining to secure that twenty first spanish title and the third straight. now in tennis rough on the dolls thirty eight match winning run on clay came to an end on sunday georgia which disposing of the king of clay in front of ralf was home crowd in madrid top ranked in the doll had beaten the serb in all nine of their previous meetings on clay bots no this time around the joke a sustaining his incredible form and he is winning streak which has now reached thirty four consecutive matches but they'll show these characters well playing

a number of brilliant points like you to follow winner at the start of the second sad there but overall joy which dictated play and seated just two sets to take the title from the defending champion. seven six six well howard finished the roughest last defeat on clay dates back to nearly two years ago while jock which claimed the six title of the season and then himself a top favorite status ahead of the upcoming for a grand slam. you know do i didn't. really you didn't show up for the first play courts and it's perfect place to you it's really you know this is this will. go to good. you know i always believed in the first moment it was that or did i just really. great. brain in formula one champion sebastian to tell has added to his overall lead in style by making it three wins from four a says. grand prix the german leading for the

majority of the race eventually leaving his competition in the dust with plenty of time to spare red bull teammates and ferarri on the ends of the second and third respectively by large margins while hughes hamilton started and finished the race in fourth while he crossed the top to the after starting the day from second place on the grid rushes vitale trawled began in seventh and ended up in eighth place in his renault. and the playoffs now where atlanta hawks made it to all in the series with chicago bulls on sunday night but all eyes were on double defending champions alley lakers of course who had to climb back from three zero down in the series with dallas but los angeles saying goodbye to the playoffs after being stunned for a fourth consecutive time one hundred ten twenty two to eighty six the score in dallas the game was effectively done by halftime where the mavericks lead the lakers by twenty four jason terry with a game my thirty two points including

a record nine three pointers for the mavericks helping them to a clean sweep in the series. this game tonight was all about defense i mean you say was great but i would have been able to get that you know shooting without those differences stops and i think for us going forward we got to hang our hat on difference for the mavericks and it's not new but we got to get people talking about it now. stay with basketball and fan of the night because all the new euro league champions the greeks claiming their third title in five years with a win over it's our view and b.p. did it. on t.v. as schooled sixteen points and was instrumental in closing the game out for the shamrocks but unlike us now move up to second in the overall on a stable long side says more school while the real madrid topped the list with eight titles. and of course that three days being celebrated across russia from the horrors of war the country saw a number of sporting greats emerge as rich as one full fledged found out. but you

know nine hundred forty is a special on the kind of force terrorized hitler's troops and force and one of the most deadly battles in world history the battle of moscow which started in ninety one it was not just time for all involved qualities help these men who survived the war. when i was the commander had to enlist the locals to my brigade i chose those who weren't complaining that i was too hard for them if they complained i told them immediately they were no good for my team therefore insurance was the most crucial quality many sportsmen volunteered for the arms one division and many would later become champions in discipline such as boxing athletics speed skating and weightlifting sadly only a small number of these veterans will be able to take part in the reunion but every year those who are still with us come to this enormous stadium where the division was formed in one nine hundred forty one and commemorate those who passed away and

celebrate victory day. in the much the burning in nine hundred forty one when we were retreating we have to make a huge trip back we were literally falling asleep while walking with the most were carrying rifles behind our backs and hitting your head against a rifle really made to wake up so it was a very difficult but we made it the main purpose of arms by an acronym which translates as the independent special purpose motorized brigade to serve on the home front usually recruits were entrusted with the most dangerous missions just helping units under a tank and defending important crossings equally crucial was their working reconnaissance as partisans and radio work in misinforming the enemy.

one of them in those of arms. his base form a gym now spotted skull pierian he took up gymnastics when he was just fourteen years old and by sixteen he'd volunteered for the soviet army and from the beginning sport played a crucial factor in his survival thank you. i recall once we had to go in to serve the mission and we had to hide and stay practically motionless for three days our task was to observe and determine which way the enemy's traffic was going and those guys weren't athletic would even blackout while we well i would say was nothing to us but we could handle it we could do it we were fit enough that helped us a lot after the war gul paid and stayed in the army is job was to train the rate on the recruits in gymnastics to make them pay turn oh and they have plenty of other interests here he proudly shows a photo with his friend who lives in very softly and great city action and he had a major impact of helping to fight spider to become one of the world's greatest

ever goalkeepers. when the novel moscow was caused by you crucially and best coffee invited me to give exercise classes to their football team players so when they weren't playing i gave them classes in our gymnastics quarters of the day novel mainly i train them to do some acrobatics so that they could for instance fall without hurting themselves. and it is eighty four year he still remains passionate about sports especially gymnastics. the engines and the well you see we wanted to be graceful it may be simply easy routine but we wanted to be performed at a very high level then it's a side through a door while what happens now is you see an ass the do a triple turn a triple somersault and that's a very hard thing to do but it doesn't really impress a nonprofessional when this is the secret day is very important to these veterans who played a pivotal role in the red army during the second world war however it's equally

impressive have these men went on to have such exceptional sporting careers and i still remember today feats of both a battle and sports fields which i'm told me don't see moscow. that said with a sour join us in a few hours time on our team for more sports coming up as the weather. hungry for the full story we've got it for us the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers on.

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