real soon trim the result to spawn sunday of the trade so the worst result you subdue a club med bully suffer till seven years only result in spawn the rich coals and ground many articles over to the season side to the sultan who took. his home falls down here in most cases the breaking news this hour of victory day commemorations all being modern western ukraine national is how physically and badly assaulted veterans paying tribute to the full and all world will see the incidents outings and fears that nazi gorka cation is growing in the area. and across the roster events to mogs sixty years since the victory over nulty

germany have been taking place while stays festivities began with around minute sheet rage which involved a record number of troops marching through red square. and in other news fighting intensifies and the libyan lifeline for difference wrong to have makes a bombing failings of break the siege of the c.c. it comes as the mounting costs are bad grades on the other player ratings for campaign triggered protests and then top which is a coalition member country. next also he talks to a leading war historian about the soviet contribution to victory over the nazi. victory day is very special to all russians almost every family in russia has someone who died fighting the nazis to talk about how that war is perceived now more than sixty five years later i'm joined by

a professor of history and international relations jeffrey roberts from university college cork. who wrote a number of books devoted to the world war two and joseph stalin professor thank you very much for being here now your views are often challenging the widely accepted perceptions let's start with the second world war twenty seven million people lost their lives in what here in russia is called the great patriotic war how many people worldwide do actually know how big this figure is i think it's a shock it's a shock to the people outside of russia from the soviet union that the cost of that war. to go to the statistics are astronomical you compare twenty million soviet with the british it's something mystical something that still united states still the russian prisoners are more north because of all the other

countries in fact there are those many years all over the country is going on here so i think it's shocking because what was surprising when they were suffering the sort of forces that the sort of retrofit were quite well known nowadays can be since the end of the cold war there's been. progress recognition of the soviet role in the second world war i think most people globally if they're not about the word soul would agree with except it was probably the soviet union that. will make the great sacrifices was the great inspector of the world didn't win the war is not in the socialization. in the united states and other countries but nevertheless the soviet union was the key to victory over the nazis in so what will but as a historian do you feel there is a tendency to rewrite history where there's always a tendency to rewrite history isn't there particularly in politics it's people who are not the story and yet every country has its own perspective on the war and

every country sees the war from a some perspective in the sun is true of russia you know so for example one example of russians was stressing over roads in winning the war as someone who's a british i was stressed britain's role in the early part of the war in standing alone against it when the soviet union was a full country and the it was a kind of a launce with nazi germany so certainly country sees it from a different aspect it places a different emphasis i don't see that as a problem often see this coming that's part of the discussion about all aspects of history but let's take a modern young generation is there a deficit of historical knowledge if you're very definitely yes which is why. the stations like yours to keep so much time to do history and yes i think there is there's a deficit in russia and then i mean all of a come first but let's take for example the united states if we're talking about

a knowledge deficit i wonder just how many americans think that the united states won the second world war singlehandedly i think probably in the case of the united states it's probably more economic and so the general picture of the world than there is in other countries so it's probably less to this probably less recognition of the role of other conferences in the war in the united states and elsewhere not doesn't just apply to russia of course is also not sufficient recognition of the robot britain played in the war on this pretty complex in britain as you say the holy war does. of the world presenting it as it was the americans to one of them now having said that of course the united states did play a very important role in the world was the soviet union support my in support of the spot i was i would people say that they should recognize our country's role as

well take it because the russian contribution the soviet contribution to the world last year when russia commemorated the sixty fifth anniversary of the three day i russian research center found that most russians believe that the red army the soviet union could have defeated hitler without western assistance as a historian do you think it's it preys on part of the russian no i don't think it's something it's true that the soviet union could have defeated nazi germany on it but it would have taken that a lot longer and not spread across some of course or the taking the country much longer to recover off the subsequent war so yes you know the soviet union didn't ultimately need to win the war but. it's a launch would be not so some great britain. helped it to win the war look quickly or is it because your book stall is was from world war two the cold war for focuses on stalin obviously in one of your interviews you said he was

a key historical figure of the mits twentieth century but he also said that you had a lot of respect for him why the word respect. i'm not sure used the word or maybe it will use the word suspect but some some people accuse me of being a style in which i'm not so but having studied him very closely for many years i'm very impressed if you want to call being impressed and respect i'm not sure it's the word lord or use or repricing or michael stallings little sister and i would start with his name. shit with his contribution it's very possible. quite probable that the soviet union would have lost the world not to jim and i consider him to be important historical figure if that's true going to polls he's the most important figure of the mid twentieth century and one of the most important thing

because of a strong sense for yourself even more important than. i think but you know if i may be impressed by style but i'm also very critical. particularly the many crimes that were committed by human blood his regime you know you should be criticised. as your price for his role in the correct for if you will but criticized for his dictatorial rule. what in your opinion was his role in winning the second i think the most important thing about his role was that he he if he's in the kind of. cohesion of his leadership and of the middle of the group of people around him i think you also inspire confidence inspiring confidence not just and he's. calling them on the soviet elite but among the soviet population in general so he's the kind is the

symbol that holds the whole country have a signature of the critical early months of will know that he's also a good mind of the soviet war with the whole war it revolves around him about his abilities as an organizer as an administrator as a cold night so as a leader so i don't really think you can you cannot underestimate stalin's role think he's he was indispensable and i doubt that anyone could have taken his place church and roosevelt how did they perceive what i perceived him very positively they were great friends of his. they refer to miss as i and the three leaders go on very well at the wartime summit so that. and this is not a point about. kind of positive view of starling as a war leader is not unique and really i mean it's of the united states widely shared not just in russia but also western historians and of course at the time and

some of jeering the war it during the second world will there was widespread recognition of the poems of stars so stalin was not just a great hero of the soviet people during the second world war he was the great hero of the all the allied peoples as well i think colluding. hero to stalin. churchill and roosevelt. greatly and appreciate he's his role in the war knuckles that contemporary view of stalin very post if you will gets lost in the second world war in the context of the outbreak of the cold war the failure. of the ground alliance between britain and the united states although i would say. for stalin and the sort it was not a stalin. one state. a cold war. play

for all i to avoid the cold war to beat off the cold war broke out. and i went to great lengths to actually bring the cold war. to an end so the western side once the cold war was broken up it was a much more positive engagement with the cold war whereas on the sort it saw it there was a reluctance to becoming both in the cold war and continuous efforts to revive you know the ground was one of the great themes of post-war soviet foreign policies of to retire the ground a lot and there is an initiative in russia these days to officially recognize the crimes of silence and i thought. the regime by some goes thought was placing stalin and hitler on my level. do you believe their historical roots. no i don't think stalin's crimes are very different from those crimes i was telling wasn't a genocide or killer. was found in was. this something utopian and

he believed that it was necessary to use the audience to achieve if you have this part that for all the tools this call machine topia a lot of people people thought it's people who started to see it as being these enemies and the enemies of the soviet system. kill people because both of their rice no style they had people killed because of what he saw as being their politics and ideology now on balance i think that's that's better than being a genocidal killer like the thing about stalin is you know stalling if you think hitler had hit the one the war what would have happened there would have been a film in one thousand europe and ethnic cleansing of mass murder genocide on the continental scope for me there's no great historical criminal than hitler stalin.

was guilty of a lot of crimes but i wouldn't put him in the same they say what do you believe that sort of thing and why this shared outside the circle of historians well that it's the idea that stalin and hitler. were equals as criminals of course is very much annoyed at the cold war and the idea that richer and cold on their many people study in the west and russia and want to continue the cold war and some phony one of the ways they pursued the cold war sort of paul ideological struggle including about the war in the clue about stalin and hitler so it's an idea that does have. quite widespread appeal but i think that you know maybe not most people but lots of people would recognize the starling did a lot of good as well as a rule of law as well as law that stalin. played a huge role historically what was was of service to humanity as

a horrible can actually winning or helping to win the second world war professor roberts thank you you. thank . for the false look we've got it's. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers on. cultures that so much is always about the feeling of life in the middle to give a real pleasure in full what is happening to be no more movement there are plenty of wars being fought though with far fewer protesters was the anti-war movement just. the price of freedom from the most elite fascist machine in history. those who fought

to win the war stand proud. against the tried of history be written. sixty six years of victory on our cheek. breaking news this hour a victory day commemorations are being molded in western ukraine not since the physically on the verge of the assault veterans paying tribute to the fulfillment of world war two incidents outing to be the nazi glorification is growing in the area. across roster events to mark the sixty six years since the victory of a nazi germany taking place while skase festivities began to the ground when a cheaper rate which i'm told in fact the number of troops marching string red square. planted all the news findings intensified in the libyan lifeline would have chris ross over the nato bombings fading it's

a break the siege of the city it comes as the mounting calls to bat raids in the album clear aims of the campaign triggered protests in denmark which is a coalition member country. next you need to build in a to sports for us. thanks alice krippen have you with us this is sports today our stories this hour. hitting the high champions and we move joint top of the russian premier league following its role of fellow title hopefuls. serbian sensation novak djokovic loss' rafael nadal in the make great masters final to stay on the feet and plan to let. the battlefield to sports fields veterans

from the second world war gather to now misstating to remember three. more not coming up but football first could have to console control of the summit but nevertheless top of the table in the russian premier league today the st petersburg side moving alongside surprise packages to bomb on g. following a one one draw with luck a move to leave the game still scoreless when zinny law school keeper pitches love modify it to me and three belorussian internationally jevon all filled in from the fifty six minutes long but that didn't seem to overly worry the home side at first in fact there was a nice amount of them on the spot some eight minutes later loss of h. the man doing the owners. of the room in within minutes of bounce my clone heading home but really back up jeff know it should have gone better one was finished up with a couple. elsewhere on car moved out of the drop zone after beating sports like moscow

being sold off new boys across the door recovering from one cold deficit in the process on the days of school darby ended up between the nama and six. barcelona meanwhile moved ever closer to their third consecutive merdeka title on sunday following a victory over city rivals espanol the new camp andres iniesta got things going midway through the first time off the spanish international brilliantly finding the necessary space for a one nil pep guardiola spend double their advantage right after the break exactly scorner came at home by jury kate that's how would finish parsimony just the point from their three remaining matches to secure their twenty first punished. in tennis rafael nadal's thirty eight much winning run play us come to an end novak djokovic speeding the spaniard for the first ever time on the surface

in the madrid monsters decider were later to talk of which he was seeking to extend a stunning record of his own the serve on beating through a twenty eleven aiming to reach thirty four consecutive wins on sunday in adult wallsten top seed for nothing though showing is tossed with efforts like this at the start of the second set through his legs this soon and hot dog lot winner even while going his opponent but overall joking which dictated play needing just two sets the came the cry and for the from the defending champion seven five six four it's a six title of the season for to. make a move or do i believe this is a. really good is right for the first time i play for city and it's perfect place to you know. he's a. supporter but you know i always believed for a school that it was that or do i disagree. with great. finally it's victory day

here in russia the country marking to defeat of nazi germany in the second world war the spike the horrors of the period russia saw a number of sporting greats emerge us richard from port fleet found out. back in one thousand forty's a special undercover force terrorized headless troops and faults and one of the most deadly battles in world history the battle of moscow which started in one thousand nine hundred eighty one it was an arduous time for all involved but what qualities helped these men to survive the war. when i as the commander had to enlist the locals to my brigade i chose those who weren't complaining that it was too hard for them if they complained i told them immediately they were no good for my team therefore insurance was the most crucial quality many sportsmen volunteered for the arms won their vision and many would later become champions in disciplines such as boxing athletics speed skating and weightlifting sadly only

a small number of these veterans will be able to take part in the reunion but every year those who are still with us come to the numbers stadium where the division was formed in one nine hundred forty one and commemorate those who passed away and celebrate victory day. in one nine hundred forty one when we were retreating we had to make a huge trip back we were literally falling asleep while walking and most were carrying rifles behind our backs and hitting your head against a rifle really made to wake up so it was very difficult but we made it the main purpose of arms upon an acronym which translates as the independent special purpose motorized brigade was to serve on the home front usually very crude for entrusted with the most dangerous missions such as helping units under tank and defending important crossings equally crucial was by working reconnaissance as partisans and radio work in misinforming the enemy.

one of the members of arms was. is peace former jim nantz part of skull peered in he took up gymnastics when he was just fourteen years old and by sixteen he had volunteered for the soviet army and from the beginning sport played a crucial factor in his survival. i recall once we had to go on a serbian mission and we had to hide and stay practically motionless for three days our task was to observe and determine which way the enemy's traffic was going those guys who weren't athletic would even black out while we well i would say was nothing to us but we could handle it we could do it we were fit enough that helped us a lot after the war cal perry and stayed in the army is job was to train the rate on

the recruits in gymnastics to make them fit stern however he had plenty of other interests here he proudly shows a photo with his friend the legendary soviet great if you wash him and he had a major impact in helping the fight spider become one of the world's greatest ever goalkeepers when the novel moscow was caused by you question and best score of they invited me to give exercise classes to their football team players so when they weren't playing i gave them classes in our gymnastics quarters of the denominate club mainly i train them to do some acrobatics so that they could for instance fall without hurting themselves. and it is eighty full of year and still remains passionate about sports especially gymnastics. you see if we wanted to be graceful it may be some easy routine but we wanted to be performed at a very high level then it's a side to adore while what happens now is you see an athlete do a triple turn a triple somersault and that's a very hard thing to do but it doesn't really impress

a nonprofessional when they see it. very day is very important to these veterans who played a pivotal role in the red army during the second world war however it's equally impressive have these men went on to have such exceptional sporting careers and i still remember today for the feats on. sports fields. we don't see moscow. for the sport this hour let's head back for more on that victory takeoff ridge thanks. a little ahead of seven had hair in moscow and in just a few moments rush will hold a minute's silence while the tradition underlines the know how of the holiday for the incredible efforts to defeat nazis and which cost twenty seven million lives the minute of silence is dedicated to who gave the greatest victory and off the

next pool's now see women. here. when you minute tension go at each epoch i this is moscow rabbited sits in threat all the central t.v. and radio stations of russia that are working smutty t.v.

missile treaty bus couldn't. get them by the light of our grateful memory. sighed the light of our love the. city of the light of our dreams. let the names of the fallen that shine in our memory forever. spoken let us recall that he would as three years gets me ten months on another eighteen day. rate patriotic war cheapie claimed twenty six million four hundred fifty two

thousand liners just. spoken you let us remember that spawned you ledges remember those who fought the enemy at the front of the way those who fought in guerrilla detachments most of those who suffered in slashers concentration camps still new let us remember those who worked without sleep and rest on the home front spoke to others remember those who reached berlin and prague. and those who are not with us today and. skuld you let us remember the villages and settlements that were reduced to ashes let us remember the hundreds of towns destroyed but we're not defeated look at the crystal roofs let us remember look at your every street. every house book you every home gosh the. cell bad soldier of the great patriotic war.

you fought for the bitter end most were near moscow and stalingrad will salute your liver bread that lead to the located leningrad. and your burned in the tank at the front line but you buy it when dying is saving millions of lines it's. you who lost your kids and in the stolen labor camps it's not freedom to the inmates of auschwitz. who can walk. and out. if that got you did not intrude for an boundaries you need sky neither did you seek fame these issues sure just defended your motherland and the shit defended your family. spoke of such as today remember free all those who place their lives on the altar of electric. kool-aid as barlow to that's.

what it was as the years and decades past the sick. one generation takes the place of another mode as it moves in the but is it possible to pass into oblivion such a heroic deed of the warriors who descended not only our lives each of the very notion of a human being that fascism bush wanted to crush. people and the day of the great victory square game with our heads and bright memory of the asleep i beat you who did not return from the water sanity some of us. daughters at soldier's. father's. grandfather's will for a husband who's. lives or brothers sisters at nama janata.