we. as americans jump for joy over the killing of osama bin ladin is an eye for an eye the new american way and what does this all mean for the war on terror. tricking us that our ability to work together in order to the overall stability of the world would. sound like china and the u.s. have a sweet relationship at least for today or could this be a case of the u.s. keeping its friends close and its enemies closer. and the world is alive with the sound of music as celebrations take place to remember the day nazi germany was defeated so sixty six years later what has

happened to the sense of worldwide collaboration. good evening it's monday may ninth in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster and you're watching r.t. well in a little more than a week since the united states killed osama bin laden we've seen several images including crowds chanting usa outside the white house we've seen celebrate tory dance party songs hitting the internet we're asking is this the new american way largely correspondent brianna more important i found out. the celebration was impromptu and palpable. jubilation stretching from new york. to the naval academy heard inside sports arenas look around is chanting usa and

exploding outside the white house it's wild it's morning there all right. it was neither the wild crowd reflecting something of a world cup victory was cheering on his fascination of public enemy number one nine eleven mastermind osama bin laden an american pilling that inspired many mainstream media outlets to abandon objectivity and rejoice i had a sweet taste of it i'm glad he's ready to tell it which is exactly what i think he is this morning he told supporters a mortal blow this is the greatest night of my career at some point the unbridled euphoria over the death of a mass murder garnered van. yet for other americans this american way is nothing worth flaunting it is this sort of

blood blood lust that we saw as people were chanting usa usa and celebrating oh it's to the head of another human being the reported price of killing this human being has bled america's economy according to the national journal the u.s. spent three trillion dollars over fifteen years to now their man in the interim critics say the war on terror has cost the u.s. its reputation let's remember that the people of iraq had to endure endure an invasion of their country killing hundreds of thousands of people that had nothing to do with al qaeda a government that had nothing to do with osama bin laden but at the end of the day i mean justice is in the eye of the holder in this case u.s. justice better. reflecting an eye for an eye mentality this is the eve of the moon landing ironically america's galactic moon landing marked its fiftieth year anniversary may fifth a moment largely overlooked during the bin ladin frenzy alan shepard spaceflight

promoted america the great american the positive america the beacon today a different side of america is on destroy we have over six thousand u.s. service people who are being killed tens of thousands injured we have hundreds of thousands of civilians murdered around the world now torture has become a part of u.s. foreign policy and the idea of celebrating because one man has been killed. just doesn't seem rational or right to me all the time to face of terrorism has been eliminated officials warn that terrorist threats to the u.s. have grown significantly worse over the decade this family and friends of the nearly three thousand nine eleven victims feel physically fit for work with a lot of staff and all americans with arguably little else to celebrate or enough or not artsy people. and for more earlier i spoke with brian becker his national

coordinator at the ensor coalition i asked him what happened to turning the other cheek and what he thinks this reaction the cheering crowds i mean is all about here's his response. it's part of a culture of trivializing war and trivializing suffering it's part of a kind of agenda with stick campaign also designed to make the american people look like we're treating the great suffering that's taking place not just that september eleventh but in afghanistan in iraq as if it's just like a victory after a football game and i think it creates the impression that the american people are shallow and superficial but i actually don't think it speaks for the majority of americans you know here we are in the sixty sixth anniversary of d.-day and russia the soviet union lost twenty seven million people dead people who really know war don't act like this this is the kind of trivialization of war that makes it look like war is just a video game war is on t.v. war is just something that can be trifled with at the same time you say that they

argue that this could be you not to. the war on terror more quickly but your rant that i'm curious what evidence you're seeing at this in washington because it seems like there's. strong arguments on both sides that that campaign wash well and one way you could make a logical argument is if the war in afghanistan was really about osama bin laden and about al qaeda and osama bin laden is dead and it is less than one hundred people according to leon panetta of the cia director one hundred less than one hundred in afghanistan according to his testimony you would say well maybe the war should should go down should be ended but in fact the war in afghanistan is not about osama bin laden it's about creating a network of u.s. military bases throughout this important region geo strategically important region where there is great natural gas and energy resources same with iraq that iraq had nothing to do is have been but there we have fifty thousand u.s. troops still occupying a country not prepared to occupy it for a long time so if you look at the logic of the or the or the rationale for the war

you would say well yeah maybe it can end but i think we see the mood here after the killing of osama bin laden is a little bit like the mood after september eleventh. and you argued that when answer coalition was formed because you were concerned about using nine eleven to ramp up and use foreign policy interests to intervene in central asia as we saw i'm curious if you see any evidence because this actually happening now if the tenor is being used to further advance the war on terror yes indeed the bush administration all of its officials are out on the airwaves in in the united states saying seeing our policies i've succeeded at long last after a decade of torture work the invasions the hot pursuit the renditions it all work in other words this is just one big giant success story of course there are a million iraqis dead tens of thousands of afghans died ninety two percent of the afghans a survey recently in southern afghanistan had never heard of the world trade center

there's a lot of suffering going on but we've the bush administration now obama who is a got these policies were succeeding and so why trifle with success if it's working keep it going at the same time you've heard rumblings within the obama administration that this will be used to wind down the afghan war quick war more quickly and become an exit strategy at the same time this is a war that is costing two point four billion dollars per week there is bureaucracy built up around it there are military contractors that spend a lot of money in washington could benefit from it it wouldn't be so easy to cut and run it doesn't seem who would push against that or who had that's an interesting continued well they could end it in they could end it quickly just like they did finally in vietnam they could leave for the war would be over in the blood with the blood shed with largely stuff in washington of military contractors as strong and that they were strong but i i think the point is correct but there is an incentive to keep going to war perpetuating war that's the trillion part of the

u.s. economy per year the one part of the economy that's not being cut there's a lot of profit that's being made by war but there's also the idea i think and this is more dominant although. perhaps not a lot more dominant the u.s. doesn't want to look at last in afghanistan the obama administration doesn't want to have the perception of a defeat by an armed insurgency even though they're losing and that they can't win and so i think the idea is just to keep going keep going keep spending those hundred twenty eight billion dollars per year a lot of incentive a lot of problems and then avoid the defeat maybe quote for a later period but they're not planning to lose this production brian becker national coordinator of the answer coalition and today marks the start of a summit for the world's two largest economies the u.s. and china it comes at a time when the u.s. faces record debt and much of that debt is owned by china artie's christine president attended the u.s. china strategic and economic dialogue and shows us how the relationship between

these two countries is evolving. they say you should keep your friends. and your enemies closer and as far as where china fits perceptions continue to evolve at this year's u.s. china strategic economic dialogue an attempt by officials from both the u.s. and china a friendship we each recognize that our ability to work together is important to the overall health and stability of the global economy here friends the people of china to stay in the same global village you on the west decide we are least the purpose to open communication on concerns like the debt ceiling in the u.s. and the rate of currency appreciation in china and joint concerns about the environment we both have a great state income being climate change and charting a clean and secure energy future currently china is the second highest producer in

the world of renewable energy technology the u.s. ranks seventeenth the overriding theme for day one of the u.s. china strategic and economic dialogue which will respect and understanding just because there is competition doesn't mean there can't be cooperation competition is not bad. competition is healthy is good. this is the reason why i have held the view for so many years and continue to hold the view that a rising china is a positive development it's a far cry from the dialogue of recent times were tough decision makers in the us have been told but in increased power means an increased threat one that will eventually need to be dealt with by war and the way to avoid this war i believe is going to require and we're going to be able to get away from it in any case some kind of arms race with china china is going to keep building and improving its capabilities each year the pentagon comes out with this report military and

security developments involving the people's republic of china the findings often use to intensify military spending we are now looking at a power in the western pacific that can stand up to us if if there's a problem in response military spending is now more than the rest of the world combined six times more in china. as a result the u.s. debt has ballooned to more than fourteen trillion dollars much of that debt is owned by china it's at a time when many of the country's neighborhoods look like this and urban areas like this still for some including the mainstream media the military is often the first priority when it comes to spending beijing is rapidly modernizing its strategic nuclear forces and developing space weaponry china is developing ten varieties of ballistic missiles some of which will be able to strike the continental united states but critics say the threat from china is not the people's liberation army

the threat from china is its growing economic might like every economist you talk to in washington are they say the u. one is going to be. the actual currency of the world maybe by two thousand and twenty so the economic policy of washington should lead and not the pentagon so . friend or foe only this day top leaders here. with this message building mutual trust and respect will help us to solve shared problems but that view may change again when it comes time to play defense to secure more money and more power for the military in washington christine are two. and joining me now to discuss u.s. china relations raymond lot of author of america in decline is also a contributor to the revolution newspaper and a longtime analyst of maoist and post maoist china where they do so much for

joining us today so much to talk about with these talks but first i want to ask you if they matter it's kind of the same talking points you hear between the u.s. and china have for a while we know that they're kind of locked together in this economic song and dance is eating and come out of these talks. well i think that there's a lot of honeyed freezes being bandied about but it's important for viewers to understand that there are escalating geo political and geo economic tensions between the us and china and those tensions are rooted in profound shifts in the world economy alluded to by your previous segment and this shift in the balance of power in the world economy is exacerbated by the economic crisis that kicked in in two thousand and eight in a faltering economy and there's now intensifying in scrambling competition for energy supplies and raw material so this is really the backdrop for these talks and

the u.s. is seeking to reassert its dominance in china is seeking to corriveau out growing geopolitical geo economic space in the world system because china has emerged in the last decade as a major global economic powers now the second largest economic power and the largest holder of foreign exchange reserves and the us is seeking to counter that and has been you know through the reassertion as i said of its strategic dominance in east asia and calling china to account for various economic policies that it finds injurious to its interests while the chinese are seeking to penetrate more deeply into various parts of the world economically and politically and militarily couple things there who has the upper hand then the united states which has chosen to continue funding its military today and step out of sick time is what china does

or china which has invested more in infrastructure and you know the united states goes into a country occupy that china goes and buys up all their resources who have the better strategy here. well i mean there's each of them each of these powers as i said you know the u.s. still remains the dominant power in the world economically it's still the financial glue of the world imperial system and it is still the political military guarantor of the contemporary world economic order which for the time being is of benefit to the great powers but china is posing a real strategic challenge and in the department of defense surveys where you look at the wiki leaks you see that the u.s. imperial leadership definitely regards china as a strategic competitor and china on the other hand is pursuing its own strategy relative to the fact that the u.s. is still economically and militarily dominant the chinese which i must emphasize

china is a capitalist society a capitalist economy since the counter revolution of one nine hundred seventy six it is an emergent imperial power and its strategy is one in which it's a seeking to expand and diversify its domestic economic base especially technological of crating be it seeking to extend its international economic and financial reach and c. is seeking to enhance its strategic military capabilities you know building up its military forces and extending its regional ties in east asia and beyond that really so insane and i'm so sorry to have to break it we only have such a limited amount of time and then given your line of thinking following that logic is china the threat that some united states that analysts and officials say that it is in order to justify more military spending for example. look the united states is seeking to preserve instalments in the world which is based on you know wars and

super exploitation and the control over people's lives in china is an emergent a cruel power which is i said has a certain strategy but right now their strategy doesn't you lead them to direct showdown with the united states but both of these powers you know are doing things that are not of the interest of the people of the world and i think when the u.s. talks about china the u.s. mainstream media and the leadership obama clinton their statements about being back in the word us being involved in an international struggle a battle for influence as clinton has said with china this is all about preserving their great power interest at the expense of the people of the world a lot more than then just the sound bite that you hear at the podium at this summit will have to wait and see to who has the upper hand economically speaking with the issue of the currency china's currency being key on the table as well as the u.s. debt and deficit that was raymond lotta author of american decline is also

a contributor to revolution newspaper and a longtime analyst of maoists and host maoist china now today is a very very special day in russia it's been sixty six years since nazi germany was defeated and world war two and russia is marking victory day that's actually what this ribbon that i'm wearing is for now events a commemoration and celebration are taking place across the country including a traditional grand military parade on red square artist and a nice excuse me now he was there she has this report. people are enjoying this beautiful evening after a day full of celebrations not just here in the capital but across the country really both latest commemoration we saw was a moment of silence held at six fifty five pm moscow time across the country but i think it's fair to say that the biggest event to mark the holiday was the victory day parade it happens every year this year was no different people here on red

square to see a spectacular show of russia's military might have included cadets as well as a display of military hardware a fly by was a little bit less than what we saw last year for the sixty fifth anniversary you remember that it just consisted of helicopters this year but nevertheless the emotions on red square were amazing to see really and of course it's even more incredible to see the veterans who watch this parade we had a chance to speak to some of them and heard about some of their memories of the great patriotic war. i was in the infantry so i walked my boys through the entire war from starting ground to prague food i was eighteen at the start and twenty two when it finished and i met a beautiful girl while the war and we got married when the war was over. i liked the phrase a lot i could just paste in the victory parade of intention for the family and most people little girls and street preachers us chief for us they kissed us and

expressed their happiness. brought that we. were completely happy especially as we watched the phrase you have a new match your standing i joined the war in one nine hundred forty two and starting rides was a nice severe but still always wounded its and spends over a full months in a hospital in the urals area i've been in the army all my life today i worked with the veterans i'm happy with today celebrations the parade was grand the weather was sunny and all our people cheer for the victory day he greets us in the streets and . true everywhere thank you very much. indeed a very solemn holiday here in russia of course some twenty seven million soviet lives were lost but like you just heard from those veterans a joyous day all the same celebrations are going to continue throughout the night certainly here in moscow people enjoying this weather strolling around carfree streets is something you don't see very often here in the russian capital and the

celebrations will culminate this evening by fireworks display with. those artes and he said now is from the red square in moscow we want to talk now more about what has happened though to global cooperation in the sixty six years since nations came together to defeat nazi germany earlier i spoke with stephen cohen he is professor of russian and slavic studies at new york university he's also author of this book the victims return survivors of the gulag after stalin i asked mr cohen why he believes after all this time victory day is such a big deal and russia but virtually unknown and not celebrated in the united states here's what he had to say. it was a sacred war in the soviet union in russia because so many million people died about twenty eight million people and those people are still missing moms and dads and brothers and sisters are all the women who never found husbands all the

children who grew up as orphans and soviet russia we inhabit phenomenon here separately for russia this was a war of occupation the germans were russian from one thousand forty one until after the battle of stalingrad when they were driven out of the country the united states never experienced the war of occupation and there was an enormous difference even though many men with the fight in the war and women too they went away they went to europe americans except for those who went to europe or to the pacific never actually saw or smelled or felt the war everybody felt that in the soviet union where it was a horrible horrible struggle to endure and i want to talk a little bit about that you know looking back at history in one thousand forty one when the naacp even dated if you're going in and there was this instant alliance between the soviets and western democracies the big u.s. and the u.k. why did we see such coordination then but why have we not seen

a same level today get comment back and one that all those nations that i just named have had been spoken about and pointed to collectively as terrorism. in nineteen forty one when i in june and forty one when hitler invaded the soviet union the immediate reaction of course all across europe which was now occupied by you or in england where hit that way which was under the siege of the nazi airplanes and even in the united states which was far away was to come to the support of the soviet union because by then remember hitler's war had been going on for almost three years it was clearly understood better all the western countries were in danger collectively together and they had to come to each other's rescue so it wasn't hard for roosevelt to make an alliance with stalin for example churchill hated stalin hated stone but said i will make any alliance with stalin because

hitler is the devil he's much worse that kind of perception of a common enemy and a common danger that doesn't exist today now we can say it doesn't exist because people are short sighted but it's also the case that that kind of danger doesn't exist terrorism is not the threat not the threat that hitlerism was a member of hitler conquered the whole of europe they yet are national terrorists are not an army we've probably exaggerated their importance in talking about a war against terror when what we really need is a police action against terrorism but it is true it is true that the united states today and kosovo that russia today are not cooperating. to the degree they should bring on today's dangers which are nuclear proliferation terrorism poverty or international drug traffic they are not cooperating anywhere near a good degree that is needed to do all these problems but to be fair to good

leaders there is no reason to be fair to them because they haven't led very well but nonetheless the danger today is not the same as represented six years ago ok yet you do actually hear of lip service paid to cooperate on some of the issues you named including terrorism you hear that between nato and russia at summits that nato holds i'm curious if this is just a kind of a talking point and a goal and lip service being paid or if there are you know some real constraints to actually genuinely coordinating very closely on these issues. well i would put the answer differently i would say it's a struggle and it's a struggle that's been going on since the end of world war two but tween people in russia and then soviet russia and in the united states who want to forge a partnership an international partnership between our two countries and the people who are opposed to it they are the friends and supporters of partnership and the enemies of partnership we saw that all during the cold war we've seen it since the

soviet union and it and we've even seen it since president obama and president medvedev two years ago entered into a project that they call resetting american russian relations for the better but the reality is obama faces enormous opposition in this country to the reset and so does may get if and russia there are people who believe this is dangerous for the security that some countries or who wait the other countries so much they can't be rational about the common dangers but this is an old story it goes on and it has to be forked and the enemies of partnership of good relations are very very very strong their allegiance their institutions their ideological factors are economic factors this is a power for position are they stronger today than they were back in one thousand nine hundred one because i know you said that that for roosevelt to have an alliance with stalin there were threats

a large enemy but that was ok but there was opposition within the administration there was that people within a state department that i've read it tried to sabotage giving aid to moscow so so are there larger constraints today and what are those that you just named could just be a lot more specific. if we go back to nine hundred forty one it's the case that for several years roosevelt had been trying to declare war against germany to come to the aid of england which was at war with germany and he couldn't get it through the american congress isolationism was very great in the united states at that time many people felt that the war against fascism was a. american war but once had a copy of europe bombed england and invaded the soviet union i think it was clear to every rational person that hitler was a danger to everybody that's not the case today as i said before the dangers aren't as a menacing not as dramatic not as apparent but the opposition to a partnership between the two countries is partly a legacy of cold war ideology but a powerful legacy it's partly

a legacy it's partly a result of economic institutions that have a vested financial interest and an arms race and pursue it it's the lead in both countries i must say in the united states and in russia primarily security but not only elites that prefer a state of hostility between our two countries and remember the educational system in both countries we often say well they still teach any american ism in russia they do it's in some of the textbooks i've seen them but we teach and the russian isn't in our books as well just to go back to the issue of world war two virtually no we only americans know that russia played the decisive rule in the defeat of nazi germany virtually every american textbook film novel says that the united states went to europe when it landed in normandy in june one thousand nine hundred four and defeated nazi germany that's across a vacation of history.