as americans jump for joy over the killing of osama bin ladin is an eye for an eye the new american way and what does this mean for the war on terror. stricken. that our ability to work together towards the fields of stability as. well it sounds like the u.s. and china have a sweet relationship at least birthday or could this be a case of the u.s. keeping its friends close and enemies closer. and the world is alive with the sound of music as celebrations take place to

remember the day nazi germany was defeated so sixty six years later we're asking what's happened to the sense of worldwide collaboration. that evening it's monday night eight pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster you're watching our t.v. now in a little more than a week since the united states killed osama bin laden we have seen crowds chanting usa outside of the white house we've seen celebrate tory dance party songs in internet so is this the new american way r t correspondent marina porton i ask just that. the celebration was impromptu and palpable. jubilation stretching from new york. to the naval academy serving side sports arena as the crowd is chanting usa and exploding outside the

white house it's remarkable that it is forty three. it was neither the wild crowd reflecting something of a world cup victory was cheering on the assassination of public enemy number one nine eleven mastermind osama bin laden an american killing that inspired many mainstream media outlets to abandon objectivity and rejoice i had a sweet taste to evade i'm glad he's right even though which is exactly where i think he is this morning evolved stoppers mortal blow this is the greatest night of my career at some point the unbridled euphoria over the death of a mass murder garnered fans. yet for many others this american way is nothing worth flaunting and it is this

sort of blood blood lust that we saw as people were chanting usa usa and celebrating bullets to the head of another human being the reported price of killing this human being has bled america's economy according to the national journal the u.s. spends three trillion dollars over fifteen years to now their man in the interim critics say the war on terror has cost the u.s. its reputation let's remember that the people of iraq had to endure endure an invasion of their country killing hundreds of thousands of people that had nothing to do with al qaida a government that had nothing to do with osama bin laden but at the end of the day i mean justice is in the eye of the beholder in this case u.s. justice better. reflect and eye for an eye mentality this is the eve of the moon landing ironically america's triumph of putting a man in space marked its fiftieth year anniversary made fit a moment more actually overlooked during the bin laden frenzy alan shepard

spaceflight promoted america the great america the positive america the speak it today a different side of america is on display we have over six thousand u.s. service people who have been killed tens of thousands injured we have hundreds of thousands of civilians murdered around the world now torture has become a part of u.s. foreign policy and the idea of battle so breeding because one man has been killed. just doesn't seem rational or right to me all the time to face up terrorism has been a limiting officials warn that terrorist threats to the u.s. have grown significantly worse over the decade this family and friends of the nearly three thousand nine hundred seventy victims you should get a lot of stuff and all americans with are usually little else to celebrate or enough or not artsy. and joining me now to talk more about this is david serota

he's a radio host political journalist and author of back to our future how the nineteen eighties explain the world we live in now david thank you so much for being with us now you've also been writing about this a new bargain that the chairing the us a chance that we've heard that that response is wrong why do you think this and where do you think this comes from this i for an i approach well i think it's certainly a reason to feel guilty as a somebody who had to sleep the u.s. capitol and i'm sure he. is no longer a threat to the world no longer stretch the united states but there's a difference between really. relate. and celebrating the death of another human being without due process of law you know lead fashion especially when nobody is arguing that the death of osama bin laden is the end of the war on terror better government is saying the so-called war on terror is actually going to

escalate our troops are more risk we as americans right now at least in the short term are more at risk so this is different than for instance celebrating of the death of a golf nuclear world war two was ending that was a celebration of a war ending but this is a celebration or certainly seems like it's the celebration of violence for its own sake and for retribution rather than justice and it's interesting that you mentioned the end of world war two because it actually is victory day which they're celebrating in russia now with very formal parades commemorative events a very different scene then than those cheering kind of almost sports fans that we've seen across the t.v. in the united states i'm curious just briefly though how representative do you think it is is it the media's fault for kind of blowing up those images for example i mean to be quite frank people here in d.c. were saying it was kind of perfect storm where a bunch of young drunk people from the cabs came could i got the metro right by the white house are these distorted images or is do you think this is really that the

tenor of the nation i think it's a little bit of both i think the media certainly encourage this kind of of triumphalist vengeance celebration this kind of a head of hype celebration of blood lust for its own sake but i certainly think you're right that it's not monolithic i certainly think a lot of people simply feel relief that a somber sense of relief like let's say a family of those might feel well after the capital punishment of a perpetrator of a crime but the question really is what image are we sending to the rest of the world and where do we stand on the deeper questions of the rule of law are we a nation that celebrates the killing of a lot. our enemies without due process of rocks you mention the end of world war two the end of world war two was marked by putting the most evil people on the face of the earth on trial for the world to see that the rule of law is the best way to beat out justice not. justice there are questions now about whether of. whether

there was a kill only order issued for him not to capture him but even if he's captured to execute him on sight these are real questions for the us constitution these are real questions for international law i think there are questions that ask whether in trying to fight the terrorists the united states has subverted its own egos and in some sense let the terrorists you know this is the question that i have for you are talking about that argument that this could have been extradited to judicial killing not something we've heard some legal experts weigh in on we've even heard religious leaders like the archbishop of canterbury say that this was the killing of an unarmed man and that that you know brings that moral question do you think that that is more damaging to the united states than say releasing i saw my bin laden picture which is something that president obama has claimed will endanger americans absolutely i mean these are questions that need to be answered they're not questions they're going away they're not going away under trump in chancer usa

usa these are real questions about international law and as an american which is equally as important to be as about fundamentally who we are as a people if during the nuremberg trials we held up the rule of law as what differentiated our society from barbarians the barbarians that we were fighting the fact that somehow in the debate over this we can say yes the nazis deserve a trial and due process of law but accused terrorists don't and that's the reason why they have ordered ice under sorbet have ordered an extradition chile not not our i don't remember again all of those it distributes what the facts are but if that's the case. we really need to ask ourselves have we adopted most of the terrorists in fighting terrorists and that's a real disturbing question it is a really important question that i agree people do need to be asking i'm curious if you think that the fervor that we've kind of that was highlighted in that report

that we've spoken a little bit about allows politicians and people that benefit from say the two point four billion dollars a week that is spent on war in afghanistan that this allows them to possibly escalate that i certainly think so and we saw that over the weekend in the week after those killed the president exerted the right claim to be authority to order the assassination of an american citizen and where al locky in yemen a man who has not been he's been charged with much less convicted of a crime and i think you're absolutely right that the exploitation of the orgasmic elation that we saw the aftermath of the bin marking death announcement has kind of tried to i think quite opportunistically paper over those deeper questions of where are we really going as a nation are we have nation of laws and then as john adams promised or are we the office and just really briefly do you know we thought it to your point over the

weekend people like dick cheney coming out on sunday talk shows saying look this shows that lot of boarding worked we should bring it back do you think that arguments like that are going to start to emerge and hold weight i think that it will start to emerge i think though that would have some political traction i think first and foremost we need to find out whether that's true there's conflicting data about what the true but the second part of this i just keep going back to the i.p.o. we are as a people yes we can become the terrorists and fight the terrorists on their terms or we can be once worked as a great country a great country to face down the equally a substantial threat of the nazis equal to if not worse than al qaeda and i thought that fight in a much different way and we stand right now at. what we have to decide york and we have to wait and see what decision is made it interesting discussion to be having on d.-day which we'll talk about later in my show but i want to thank you so much david serota for your insights author of back to our future and today also marks the start of

a summit for two of the world's largest economies the two largest economies the u.s. and china it comes at a time when the u.s. faces record that and much of that debt is owned by china our case christine for that attended those meetings today the u.s. strategic china china strategic and economic dialogue rather and she shows us how the relationship between the two countries is evolving take a look. they say you should keep your friends close. and your enemies closer and as far as where china fits perceptions continue to evolve at this year's u.s. china strategic economic dialogue an attempt by officials from both the u.s. and china a friendship we each recognize that our ability to group together it's important for the overall health and stability of the economy their friends the people of thailand the united states in the same global village. on the western side we own

the east the purpose to open communication on concerns like the debt ceiling in the u.s. and the rate of currency appreciation in china and joint concerns about the environment we both have a great state encouraging find a change and charting a clean and secure energy future currently china is the second highest producer in the world of renewable energy technology the u.s. ranks seventeenth the overriding theme for day one of the us china strategic and economic dialogue we try to respect and understanding that just because there is competition doesn't mean there can't be cooperation or competition is not bad competition is good. this is the reason why i've held the view for so many years we continue to hold the view that a rising china is a positive development it's a far cry from the dialogue of recent times were tough decision makers in the us have been told but an increased power means an increased threat one that will

eventually need to be dealt with by war and the way to avoid this war i believe is going to require and we're going to be able to get away from it in any case some kind of arms race with china china is going to keep building improving its capability each year the pentagon comes out with this report military and security developments involving the people's republic of china the findings after news to intensify military spending we are now looking at a power in the western pacific that can stand up to us if if there's a problem in response military spending is now more than the rest of the world combined six times more than china. as a result of u.s. debt has ballooned to more than fourteen trillion dollars much of that debt is owned by china if that is time when many of the countries neighborhoods look like this an urban areas like this still first sun including the mainstream media

the military is often the first priority when it comes to spending beijing is rapidly modernizing our strategic nuclear forces and developing space weaponry china is developing ten varieties of ballistic missiles some of which will be able to strike the continental united states but critics say the threat from china is not the people's liberation army the threat from china is its growing economic might like every economist you talk to in washington our days is saying the u. one song is going to be. the actual currency of the world maybe by two thousand and twenty so the economic policy of washington should lead and not the pentagon so . friend or foe only this day top leaders here around often with this message building mutual trust and respect will help us to solve shared problems but that view may change again when it comes time to play defense secure more money and more

power for the military in washington christine for is now r.t. and joining me now to talk more about this is dr roger handler he's a senior political analyst at ya got to have our thanks for being with us so a lot of sound bites that sound good about a whopper ration on things like climate change and working together and that a rising china is good for the united states but what is really the subtext you know is china a threat to the united states or is this the justification used by some leaders to continue justify expanding the u.s. empire well certainly on the trying the side there's a new generation coming into positions of leadership for a generation which has a very short historical memory and does not recall the many years of good relationships between the united states and china that were initially.

catalyzed by richard nixon and by the bush administration years of the time nor does the modern trying his leadership remember the years of conflict with the soviet union along the moor river so what is then trying. what i'm saying is the chinese leadership in essence see the u.s. as the single barrier that stands in the way to china assuming its quote rightful role as the predominant economic and eventually military superpower on earth what do you think the united states is china as we see china use there's a reason to continue asking leading us military spending the us spend six times what china spends it seems that the united states is the one that is progressing in imperial policy not china well three points there first of all the us has military responsibility that even the chinese leadership acknowledges china has stated that

the use of u.s. presence in afghanistan is desirable for strategic trying these interests certainly trying on the us cooperated in the korean peninsula recently during a period of instability so the chinese recognize that the u.s. has defense responsibilities that provide a burden to the u.s. economy and budget china does not have to be there and certainly china also recognizes that the u.s. provides stability on the other hand the chinese seek to deny military force projection capabilities to us and they will forces in the western pacific by the deployment of the new chinese anti carrier ballistic missile system and other new technologies recently unveiled by the chinese military that is of great concern and turn to the u.s. leadership but how so roger break that down for me this is what i don't get the united states state spends six times what china does on its military more than the rest of the world combined i don't understand how these chinese a development are such threats to the united states military that is so financed so

well financed by china not to mention. financing does not equate to force projection and strategic concerns when you have a new chinese ballistic missile system that can take out any u.s. carrier within sixteen hundred miles of the chinese coast that essentially denies force projection capability to the us navy both at sea and in terms of air power that's a significant paradigm shift it's a game changer for the strategic balance in the pacific and the chinese know it and the u.s. realizes it and will respond from the natural resource standpoint trying to has an increasing need to guarantee its oil and gas supplies and its precious little supplies including rare earths and the reason i want to say that i don't think i want to play the issue if you think so far i don't want to step on your time but i wanted to touch upon you mentioned that china recognizes that the united states' occupation in afghanistan for example is strategic benefit for china i want to ask

who has the better strategy the united states it goes then and they the country spends four hundred billion dollars on war there or china it lets the united states do that and then goes and buys up the natural resources that you mention china. both policies are flawed and they will eventually come to a halt with a hard stop most economists predict that by two thousand and fifteen the chinese real estate and credit bubble will g.d.p. to debt ratios of approaching two hundred percent. on the one horse the chinese government hopes to apply the brakes were gradually but this may be a hard start situation in which case there will be instability within china domestically on the us side the continued easy money policies of the essentially the growing u.s. budget deficit are untenable with regard to a resumption of u.s. economic growth and stability and that's the preservation of the very consumer base

that the chinese economy requires for stability and for the maintenance of its export policy to the united states both nations suffer if either of their policies fail in the long run and both are critical of the other nations policies for example you mentioned quantitative easing that the fed has it's a kid with a policy it's something that china says hey you can't argue that we need to quickly let our currency appreciate a time when you are valuing your own currency and at the same time you have china that is concerned over the u.s. deficit and debt it has a point there too because china is invested in the u.s. economy so both sides have criticisms of the other and their policies who have the upper hand in talks like this. essentially both sides realize that neither has the upper hand the us is still the predominant military power including space china depends on exports to the us and has not yet been able to develop ancillary markets

in india and latin america to an extent where it could substitute stability from those markets for an over significance of penance on u.s. markets in the sense these are strange bedfellows but they're stuck with each other china and the us need to get along because their survival their growth and their prosperity depend on mutual cooperation and finding solutions to these problems like an old married couple who can't afford a divorce now dr roger has already seen your political analyst at our with that analysis now it is been sixty six years since nazi germany was defeated and world war two as i mentioned earlier russia is marking victory day to day that's what this ribbon is for in fact events of commemoration and celebration are taking place across the country including a traditional grand military parade on red square are to the nice and now he was there and filed this report. people are enjoying this beautiful evening after a day full of celebrations not just here in the capital but across the country

really both latest commemoration we saw was a moment of silence held at six fifty five pm moscow time across the country but i think it's fair to say that the biggest event to mark the holiday was the victory day parade it happens every year this year was no different people here on red square get to see a spectacular show of russia's military might it included cadets as well as a display of military hardware the fly by was a little bit less than what we saw last year for the sixty fifth anniversary you remember that oh it just consisted of helicopters this year but nevertheless the emotions on the red square were amazing to see really and of course it's even more incredible to see the veterans watch this parade we had a chance to speak to some of them and heard about some of their memories of the great patriotic war. i was in the infantry so i walked my boys through the

entire war from starting ground to prague. i was eighteen at the start and twenty two when it finished and i met a beautiful girl and we got married when the war was over. we go i like the parade last night this is based on the picture of praise of intention for the finite and most people in girls and streets we just chief for us they kissed us and expressed their happiness. from. were completely happy especially as we much to think range yabbering on natural standing and i joined the war in one nine hundred forty two and starting rides was in a severe bustle i was wounded it's and spends over a full months in a hospital in the urals area i've been in the army all my life today i work with the veterans i'm happy with today celebrations the parade was drawn the weather was sunny and a lot of people cheered for the victory day people agreed just on the streets. everywhere thank you very much. indeed

a very solemn holiday here in russia of course some twenty seven million soviet lives were lost but like you just heard from those veterans a joyous day all of the same celebrations are going to continue throughout the night certainly here in moscow people enjoying this weather strolling around carfree streets of something you don't see very often here in the russian capital and the celebrations will culminate this evening by fireworks display. and i was artie's any so now is from red square and moscow with that report earlier i spoke with stephen cohen professor of russian studies at new york university and i asked him why victory day such a big deal in russia and in the united states no one even knows what it is that he said. it was a sacred war in the soviet you in russia because so many million people died about twenty eight million people and those people are still missing moms and dads and brothers and sisters and all the women who never found husbands the children are

ruined as orphans and soviet russia we didn't have that phenomenon here secondly for russia this was a war of occupation the germans were a russia from one thousand forty one until after the battle of stalingrad when they were driven out of the country the united states will never experience the war of occupation and it is an enormous difference even though many men who went to fight in the war and women too they went away they went to europe the americans except for those who went to europe or to the pacific never actually saw or smell on or felt the war everybody felt it in the soviet union where it was a horrible horrible struggle to endure and i want to talk a little bit about that you know looking back at history in one nine hundred forty one when the nazis invaded the soviet union and there was this instant alliance between the soviets and western democracies of the u.s. and the u.k. why did we see such coordination then why have we not seen the same level today

against common threats and one that all those nations that i just named have have that spoken about and pointed to collectively as terrorism. in one hundred forty one when in june one hundred forty one when hitler invaded the soviet union it was clearly understood that all the western countries were in danger collectively together and they had to come to each other's rescue so it wasn't hard for roosevelt to make an alliance with stalin for example churchill hated stalin aided star but said i will make any alliance with stalin because hitler is the devil he's much worse that kind of perception of a common enemy and a common danger that doesn't exist today now we can see it doesn't exist because people are short sighted but it's also the case that that kind of danger doesn't exist terrorism is not the threat not the threat that hitlerism was

a member of hitler a conqueror the whole of europe they international terrorists are not an army we've probably exaggerated their importance in talking about a war against terror when what we really need is a police action against terrorism but it is true it is true that the united states today and personal view of russia today are not cooperating. to the degree they should be as i said before the dangers aren't as a menacing not as dramatic not as apparent but the opposition the partnership between the two countries is partly a legacy of cold war ideology but a powerful a go see it's partly a legacy it's partly a result of economic institutions that have a vested financial interest and an arms race and pursue it it's the lead in both countries i must say in the united states and in russia primarily security but not only elites have prefer a state of hostility between our two countries and remember the educational system

in both countries we often say well they still teach and the american isn't in russia they do it's in some of the textbooks i've seen them but we teach and the russian isn't in our books as well just to go back to the issue of world war two virtually no we only americans know that russia played a decisive role in the defeat of nazi germany virtually every american textbook film novel says that the united states went to europe it when it landed in normandy in june one thousand nine hundred four and defeated nazi germany that's a possible cation of history and eastern front advair was where the decisive battles were fought from one hundred forty one to one hundred forty five between soviet russia and germany so the lack of knowledge the lack of awareness and the ideology still remain having on our souls in our political leadership as you think i'm professor of russian studies at new york universe.