i think that right now it's very difficult to depend on the mainstream media to do that but as long as there are bloggers and as long as there are people that work in the media that are willing to share this story with the people so they become savvy to what's happening right now i think that there is a way that we can eventually stop the system it's really difficult because like i said everyone's getting you know the koch brothers had this retreat in palm springs just last year where they had supreme court justices conservative supreme court justices a tent ok those are supposed to be people that work in the government that are not supposed to be influenced by corporations and billionaires in this country so it's really difficult to depend on our political system what we really have to depend on are the people who are willing to speak out against this and you know the fact that you're doing this interview right now on r t i think is extremely valuable you know we talked about this on to whitey university yesterday and i really hope that people are watching and i hope that people are willing to stand up and speak out

against this and i'm just wondering do you think that this was the final frontier if you know if it's already in the media and the think tanks in the lobbyists. you know into campaign funding is there anything left yet that can't be touched by money and somebody who has a lot of it is willing to you or you know able to wield their influence because of that. and that sounds very defeated that sounds defeatist that sounds very pessimistic but you know the one thing that i really had hope and faith in was our university system especially our state university systems and i really believe that there was no way that university officials would cave in to corporate interests but it's really difficult to do that because money talks and you know when a certain system is broken and when people are desperate for money to continue doing what they do to continue supporting their law. i've only heard it's really

difficult to cave and i think that's what's happening throughout the country right now are and i want to thank you very much for joining us it's definitely something that it's a depressing thought especially if you know like we're saying that this could be possibly the final frontier this last bastion of freedom that still remains you know but what it actually took after two years after this deal was made was two professors who were disgruntled who didn't like it to actually come out and write an op ed and it really tells a story and i just wonder if there was pressure on employees before not to speak out about it and so i'm happy that they did at that point think something that's important to be talked about and criticized heavily thanks so much thank you. we're taking a break but coming up i'll speak with congressman dennis kucinich. we .

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fun to. get up sometimes you see a story and it seems so for langley you think you understand it and then he lives something else here sees some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry for going to the big picture. the same. well now that osama bin laden is dead congress has to decide whether the war in

afghanistan is still worth fighting according to a new usa today gallup poll taken over the weekend fifty nine percent of americans agree with the statement of the u.s. has accomplished its mission there and should bring its troops home but on capitol hill all makers are ready to commit during a hearing at the senate foreign relations committee yesterday both senators including john kerry said that although the killing of osama bin laden was a game changing they don't think iraq or troop withdrawals the right way forward but even that's can't get us out and what will joining me from capitol hill is us congressman dennis kucinich congressman thank you so much for joining us tonight thank you now. senator john kerry yesterday said that he believes it's fundamentally unsustainable to keep pumping ten billion dollars a month into a war with no end in sight but he also said that he doesn't know one single serious policy person who thinks that a quick withdrawal is the right thing to do what's your take on that you think that we should draw it out over the next couple years or we should move past them i mean

is that my friend john kerry may need to expand his group of advisors because there is no way the united states can continue to put one hundred to one hundred twenty billion dollars a year into afghanistan and when you look at the rate of withdrawal they're talking about now they may withdraw ten thousand troops or within the next year if you use that rate of withdrawal that means we'll be there for at least another ten years we can't afford there we can't afford spending another trillion dollars in afghanistan plus the added cost we have things to take care of here at home the adventure in afghanistan has long passed the time when it was proven to be a disaster we have to get out we have to get out now we cannot afford it and it's time that more members of congress started to speak up and realize that. now we definitely can't afford it and like you say this is an adventure really it is

a sad word to use considering it's the longest war in america's history but nobody can really come up with a point anymore now we know that there are less than one hundred al-qaeda members in afghanistan and we didn't even find osama bin ladin in afghanistan there's talk of a political solution here karzai is by no means a stable political partner so what is it that makes these congressmen unwilling to . to want to pull out of the war it's a lot to take our troops out you know what kind of horses are telling them to stay in we've talked about this before any time a nation wage into a war the war has a headlong momentum remember president obama just a couple months ago was saying we'd be in libya for days not weeks now we're there for nine days or weeks or months you get into a war it has a way of perpetuating itself this is what's happened in iraq this is what's happening in afghanistan there's a point at which you have to look at the situation as it is occupations that fueled

insurgency and there's no victory in sorry we have to get out we can't afford a good message and this falling apart you know what part of get out there is not the administration understand but a war doesn't perpetuate itself there are people that perpetuate their money that perpetuates it so who is it or supposed to blame are we supposed to blame some of these contractors you know weapons that manufacturers or. how can you you know little name any names here you know i mean i would say it is important to look at those people who benefit from wars there are contractors there are arms manufacturers there are war profiteers that's true in any war but i'm also saying i just made a comment that is not just a matter of sociological and. social psych psychological perspective but it is the fact that the lawyer in on one. the harder it is to get out that's why you heard stories in histories of wars that have lasted thirty forty

fifty years we have to get out and the way we get out is a political decision where the american people have to let their members of congress know and let president obama know they're just not going to stand for spending more of the treasure of this country at a time when we're told we don't even have money for the basic needs now we're making a choice or a budget choice when we say we have money for war but not health care we have money for war but not education we have money war for war but not retirement security with money for job creation sooner or later the american people will use that as a call for a dramatic change in the political system we're not there yet but let me tell you something this so prolongation of the war in afghanistan and iraq could take us to that place and i think people are definitely getting frustrated and like i said if you look at a new usa today gallup poll sixty percent of americans now think that we need to bring our troops home from afghanistan so why is it that that congress chooses to listen to war profiteers rather than the american people i don't think it works out that way i don't think it's just that congress is listening to war profiteers who's

my guess is that most members of congress have had never personally met anyone who's directly making a lot of money out of a war i think but i do believe that we enter into these wars and the public gets into the war week by week month by month and at the beginning they tell us support the troops which becomes analogous to supporting the war but now we know the way to support the troops to bring them home so we all of the reasons why we were in afghanistan and or iraq have been stripped away one thing after another and now it's all laid bare the thing is a disaster in both countries we need to get out and so this is where the congress has to be held accountable because frankly article one section eight we still have the war power and also the press. and it has to be held accountable because they were the ones making the decisions and people you know that they have to listen to

the american people and it's the people want out of a piano stand and they want out of iraq and they don't want to be slow walk for the next decade towards the quote end quote of the war well lastly speaking of holding the president accountable of course president obama got us into a war in libya without ever asking congress but he did he does have a sixty day period there within nine days those sixty days are up and it's going to be up to congress to question him on it and you have to vote on it so are you going to hold the president accountable are you going to call for congress to take a stand yes when congress returns. after next week because we want you next week i'll be prepared to bring forward the. powers resolution where the statute effectively is told and the congress can now enter into a vote on the issue of libya look we now have new legislation before the congress to keep us. in war forever you know the

militarization of our nation is such a disaster for democracy and unless we take a stand and challenge these wars at the core at the decision makers and challenge the logic of keeping us in wars unless we take a stand for that we will lose our democracy and so this is not a small matter and this newest legislation. my friend congressman king is offering i cannot be of the authorization of the use of military force least vocal about it just earlier on this show it takes away the congress' role totally it's it's it's a matter of declaring you know the united states being able to promote a permanent war this is this is if that legislation passes it's a threat to democracy so we we have to start taking a stand here and get what's going on and what's going on is that our ability to be able to have

a democratic society is being undermined by the militarization of our budget by the militarization of our foreign policy and by the militarization of the thinking that goes into creating that policy congressman well i definitely hope that you will take a stand especially on that last issue that we discovered there al qaeda taliban associated forces that allows the president unilaterally to essentially wage war on anyone he chooses and i think credibly dangerous i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight thank you. still to come tonight killing a scientist honored in one country all while the u.s. is trying to indict him i have more on that and we come back and it's time for happy hour so two muslims meet for dinner in one southern state they could be called a charade organization we're going to dive in about topic with catherine manuell ward of retired asean and arjun producer lucy kept not just not. let's not forget that we met in the park bright.

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but you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so poorly sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here's you some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry it's a big. well like you make scope out or julian assange is currently fighting extradition from

britain to sweden he was presented an award in london from the city of sydney australia it's the third me he foundation's the gold medal it was presented to us onshore exceptional courage and pursuit of human rights it's my great great pleasure to present you with the sydney peace medal for your conviction that truth matters and that justice depends on it and for your car each and the leadership and tenacity in journalism and publishing we think that you and wiki leaks. look we've seen kids that watch a show in journalism. if australia views a scientist work with wiki leaks as a noble act especially when the whistleblowing site released a treasure trove of data of two hundred fifty thousand diplomatic cables now the sydney peace foundation's director pointed fingers at the us government saying that he is appalled by the violent behavior of major politicians in america and just to

put it on a perspective for you the gold medals also been awarded to individuals like nelson mandela and the dalai lama in the past so let's just compare that phrase in london and in australia to the reputation that julian assange has on the other side of the ocean here in the us politicians are calling him a terrorist because of massive job of government secrets puts the country at risk in fact many are speculating that it's on his extradition to sweden will be followed by a journey to the us and i think we all know that he's going to be greeted with handcuffs before he is with medals we should also remind you about the secret grand jury that's being formed in alexandria virginia although very little is known about this case many speculate a court case is being formed around the sun and the wiki leaks site and it's a long claim greenwald points out in his research this move to bring wiki leaks to justice definitely serves as proof that the obama administration is waging a massive war on leakers so as this grand jury in virginia attempts to determine if

there is a criminal case against related songe or anyone involved with leaking leaks we would like to take a moment to once again call out the obama administration for example only going back on their word to be more transparent than bush obviously the u.s. government is not ok with being transparent especially when it comes to revealing what actually goes on behind closed doors attending a criminal charges on a sonder anyone linked to weekly leaks just proves the hypocrisy of this entire issue and the bigger picture the global view if you will is that what the u.s. . the act of international terrorism is also considered worthy of a peace prize in australia so what title really fits join us on ch hero or terrorist i think but the answer is obvious.

it's time for happy hour on this level evening and joining me tonight is catherine manga word senior editor of reason magazine and reason dot com and our team producer lucy calf now ok i got a really good job for you guys if colonel do if you barr and mohammed ali went to dinner together what would they be called in tennessee. and i guess and i guess and again not then i would go with. are you going to go on you know we've always talked about this on our show before that tennessee is joining the list of other states out there like oklahoma the want to legislate on non issues which is creeping shari'a law but now it turns out that if you look at some of the deeper language here you basically can be considered a sharia law is a shoe in if there are two or more people involved so if you want to start some kind of a supper club or a charity now you're the devil and that's illegal and you won't like what the hell can lie and let's keep in mind that practicing shari'a isn't necessarily some sort

of organization or a law that's just being a good muslim that's like saying you know christians i don't know but i'm not religious i don't really know christians doing whatever it is that they do you know they're really not a terrorist organization for believing that i mean does that make a family a group of shari'a practicing terrorists look at the language of the bill also seems a little bit like someone just went to the wikipedia entry for shari'a and like plucked out some proper nouns and then scattered them through the bills so there's a particular you know version of it but i doubt it actually been done before i don't remember what state it was it was i was in alabama where a lawmaker. did draft up and treasury a piece of legislation and when people went to go fact check it it turned out to be the exact same line or paragraph if there was in which people are just not even doing their research where they're also having freedom of religion the right to gather i mean really if you know somebody actually what's going on here i mean if it's two or more people in a place doing something vaguely muslim which seems to be what the laws are trying to outlaw then you know not to get all party constitution we've gone anybody here

but it is freedom of assembly it's one of the most fundamental freedoms in the united states of america and i feel like these are the same types of people that would probably get a pocket constitution waiting on you and then forget about the constitution and talk about the biblical laws that they would probably all rather go back to it looks like the laws primary sponsor most of the rest of his energy has been devoted to do regulating alcohol in tennessee which you know is a fine and noble mission and certainly appropriate happy hour here but you know it may be that he's. picking around the border is to do some novelty legislation trying to get all the muslims drunk so that they violate their own who they are. and i'm pretty sure but being drunk. regardless it's ridiculous and like we said not issue and i just can't believe it's something that's actually spreading across the u.s. let's talk really quickly too about you know there are some new guidelines that are

agencies when it comes to marketing food to kids we know for example they did this to back oh companies and they had to get rid of i think what was it joe the camel because he was a cartoon and so that makes kids think that it's cool and it will make them else so what's going on now with these new guidelines are they saying that you can't you know tony the tiger telling you that frosted flakes are great i know this is your yes so basically what they're doing here is they're trying to equate junk food with alcohol and cigarettes they're just trying to say listen we've already set ourselves up so that we're kind of comfortable as a country with certain people speech when it comes to in just a ball subs. says that might be bad for kids and then they just want to broaden that out and say ok now a twinkie equals a cigarette equals a bottle of scotch. but no mandate here right these are just guidelines the government would like you to softly follow if you please technically they are currently guidelines and actually many people including most prominently in the new york times has said have said well where's the enforcement here but the enforcement

is built in their recommended guidelines now and five years from now when they kick in the f.c.c. is going to be checking this out and slapping handcuffs on people you never know where it's going to go do you think and it was are made with real fruit because of to cancer and when you really could you know because. the cereal we had just moved from russia and he says you know you know what i think i do know because here i was and i love harvey i mean i still go back to my original plan we've talked about this in the show before that you know the industrial revolution was wonderful but i think we as a world kicked a few really bad habits including putting children tutorial on fields where they can grow their healthy food and then consume healthy food and also burn a few carol calories in the process so you know i think that's about. let's talk about something that i just completely absolutely ridiculous we did a story where the girl was a duke university as sensually they had a whole list of all the guys that went to school there and you know what their abilities were in the bedroom this now that was a bit of an outrage of but now there's

a teenager the dish on facebook i think he's seventeen years old and he actually got arrested by the police i don't understand how you can get arrested for doing that is it because the girls are minors the charges disorderly conduct which would be pretty widely conduct on the internet. we want to arrest you and we don't have any good reason to but he pointed out i think listen district in the lunchroom but still i mean we were all teenagers at one point i mean i remember writing out a little list of boys were cute i mean out of their sexual prowess and they're going to be just it's ok it's all right and the millions of people watching but i mean that's something that you do as a kid and i think to take a. that extra step and actually criminalize that is just absurd there's ways to punish that kind of behavior that doesn't get jail and when you know that you don't like one angry mom out there and it was really really bad i mean if you think with an angry dad because if you put it on facebook the big difference is that adults can't pretend it's not happening right this isn't happening forever since the beginning of time but it was happening on a no paper passed around in the back of a classroom that was then you know even when the teacher demanded to see it could

present it wasn't there on facebook it's in their faces and they feel like they have to do something that's ridiculous i think you are getting your play although you know if you are talking about that she was not what mark zuckerberg originally did as he started raiding girls online but that i don't know i don't know he's denying anything because. it's absolutely ludicrous if you ask me but that's what happens in our internet police state age or how they want to thank you for joining us tonight thank you now is it a night show thanks for tuning in to make sure you can back tomorrow remember how we told you earlier in the week the activists are being tracked by g.p.s. that are from wired is going to be on the show to tell us all the details about that and we in time don't forget to become a fan of the alone a show on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any of tonight's show or any other nights you can always catch all the. flash ilona show where we post interviews as well as the show in its entirety coming up next is adam vs the man.

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