welcome back to the big picture and coming up in this half hour republicans continue to have a deaf ear when it comes to passing immigration reform with the two thousand and twelve election around the corner we have a change of heart just to secure the seat at sixteen hundred pennsylvania avenue and later in the show and take on how attention deficit disorder only may actually not only be a good thing but even be responsible for civilization as we know it. it's wednesday which means it's time for the liberal right take on two conservatives

debate some of the week because the week's biggest issues the weakest issues the strongest issues of the week are the strongest conservatives in town on the panel tonight daniel helper of the weekly standard and jamie weinstein deputy editor of the daily caller dot com ok let's get started number one president obama was in el paso yesterday stirring up an immigration reform debate here's what he had to say. first we know the government has a threshold responsibility to secure our borders and enforce the law and that's what janet and all her folks are doing that's what they're doing. second businesses that's be held accountable if they exploit undocumented workers. there are. those who are here illegally they have a responsibility as well so they broke the low. that they've got to pay their taxes they've got to pay a fine if you're learning and they've got undergrowth right background checks and

a link to the process before they get in line for legalization that's not true but there. is practically a zero percent chance that the president's speech will actually lead to immigration reform legislation mainly because republicans won't budge on their we must deport every one not platform and because keeping the status quo keeps in place a nice little wedge issue for the elections so how much longer will republicans continue to play politics and pretend to believe that illegal immigration is a problems that are actually getting to work a real solutions like ronald reagan did when he gave amnesty to three million illegals this is i mean i think this was a purely political speech there's no evidence that he's actually pushed any immigration reform bill actually already has already done great work on you know but i don't know i don't know how much weight i shout about it a way to get behind it but there was a gentleman you may have heard of him his name was george w. bush he was president united states and he pushed a strong comprehensive immigration reform back and he got shot down by republicans through back in the senate by john mccain that came to not some say because you

know like brock obama had a people trying to stick amendments onto it to ensure its failure but mccain worked hard for it bush worked hard for it so republicans like me support comprehensive immigration reform i'm going to trust this president obama really think that hispanic voters are this stupid or do they think that is he really think if you that they're so cynical he's done nothing about immigration in two thousand and eight actually doesn't he does he's less of your people at the border then i was there i forgot to write he says he three hundred twenty five thousand more people than two thousand and ten than bush he's been normal hard as in two thousand and eight right but sadly this is a strictly political ploy to get hispanic voters the two thousand and twelve campaigns coming up the obama campaign has made it very clear that they're big enough to win it and that it's going to be a hard fight and they're going to have a big tent ordered in order to have any idea if this is just for the public you think is just political it's unsettling for obama's. say oh hispanic voters are stupid i'll do anything about immigration facto crack down on it more and then i'll

just go to el paso make it so you think he's going to win votes from them as a result of the speech he's in i don't maybe but i don't know why and why why do you guys say you do that to what charlotte why is it why do you cheering the crap that i didn't hear george bush's strike ridiculous crackdown on business is i think there should be serious and for some at the border what you have to not only bring skilled workers and each one to be visas which we keep our ph d.'s here but also unskilled work makes me very good point because they create an island and i actually you know the crackdown i'm very ambivalent about frankly i think that we should be cracking down on employers i don't think we have an illegal immigrant problem in this country we have an illegal employer problem in this country we've got a magnet destroying people in this country and its people you know exploiting them and making money off them and throw a few c.e.o.'s in jail you can see a few million people on this i think you comprehensive immigration reform which i'm in favor of just don't make these political poison pretend like you're doing it when it's so clear that you're actually die and want to want to he does get on board with that i don't think there is that and i'm going to work that are being exploited if they're willingly coming here to try to work

a good job they're very happy with the way the with their jobs and then let's say that the american workers who are out of work because somebody is willing to do the job for three dollars an hour they are being exploited maybe we can agree on that and it's schoolteachers all around the nation from new york to california protesting its education budget cuts in new york the march is planned for tomorrow and tens of thousands of teachers students and parents are gathered in front of city hall and marshall wall street to demand that the local budget holes are filled not by cutting education but by making wall street a for the message created so are we finally seeing the backlash to the republican war on teachers and does a nation that takes on teachers instead of greedy bankers that some kind of moral sickness daniel ronald reagan three thousand banks years in prison when they took down the s n l c or was george w. bush when the on the banks was robbed is this isn't about the banks this is about the budget and the state budgets are not they don't have the money to pay. i think this budget is actually caused by the banks because because of the recession that's

correct the problem is if teachers did half as much whining as they did teaching their jobs wouldn't be at risk as much and people would side with them if they were better at their gerri you're going to jump on the back was really on the bandwagon to put up with the way the point is this happened in wisconsin and this happened in cow and then it spread to california from massachusetts these are not red states these are the bluest states in the union and there is no choice but to cut the budget as it's higher three where you know there are you where your top three countries in the world for education terms of turning out really high quality students are singapore south korea and denmark and those three countries teachers make as much as mt doctors when you say when you see bankers first thing i imagine is like moustachioed people if i guarantee you i'm going to go inside bank eyes i'm not i'm not very you know going to break that particularly through the wall street but i don't think has anything to do with this there is a mythology in america unfortunately i had some great teachers they helped me along but obviously i don't i don't think smart i don't think teachers are heroes and we

can't take any sacrifice we could but you never try to teach or by the budget's either maybe that's the case but the fact of the matter is that there's some great teachers and some poor teachers and teachers unions are very problematic because they are they were values and they were he was able to use he refused to innovate in ways that will actually help that is absolutely untrue the teachers' union has been at the leadership of innovation twenty third absolutely because you think they have a big thing that has blocked innovation is the no child left behind act that's why jim jeffords left i will agree r.e.i. group in one point they had innovated in new york in new york they have rubber rooms now i would say never had before and its teacher unions deserve credit for that when jim jeffords left the republican party and he told me this personally in fact i wrote it in one of my books on equal protection that the whole purpose of the of the no child left behind act was to make more money for people like george versus brother in the testing literally the congressional. research service gave him a report that said a four hundred million dollar industry is going to become

a two billion dollar industry as a result of this act he left the republican party over and by the way they were right so why are they doing it in massachusetts and why are they doing it in california through what why are they cracking down on teachers why are they cutting him at cutting the edges it's always easy to cut down on the ape to crack down on the people who are the weakest you know there's the teacher there's not a lot of just to say i was wondering i was i mean there's one speech two points i made here one is that be there you know god created teachers you know inspired mythology don't make a ridiculously low amounts of money if you compare them on a per hour basis we're going to work better with accountants and some engineers there that could bring about one of most fed working americans there and then the really and the reason that they're cracking down on this is because tommy have not discovered governments of the three governments the money tree for where they can pool the money to pay the teachers when they don't have it it's called ending the recession resurrecting the banks years in jail the president criticize scott walker of wisconsin when he was cracking down on teachers union just a month ago and said that he was assaulting them and that he was bill finding teachers union and why hasn't the president said anything about massachusetts why

hasn't the president said anything because it's a garbage issue because it's not an issue here and so it is an issue for teachers it isn't it is it's not is it is you're not understanding why it's one of the nut jobs in the law to get i don't you got denmark and sweden and singapore and these other here miss it i'm not coming out of the lobbying if you will from country rote learning where and there's any teachers at all when they get really good pay you know anyhow it's we're not going to resolve this issue i think we're going to we're going to agree to disagree we need to go it was reported this week the back in two thousand and eight well all of our charles koch one of the billionaire koch brothers wrote a big fat check to florida state university to help hire new professors in the schools economics department which seemed like a charitable juster turned out to be anything but made sure there were strings attached to his donation one of those strings is that charles koch now has the authority to hire or fire whatever economics professor he likes even overrule the state florida. faculty and hiring decisions which is already done shooting down sixty percent of the professors proposed by the faculty in two thousand and nine so

how is letting oligarchy determine what students are learning hardly kuna vs an ethical or even a good thing i can understand is the jerry falwell's liberty we're talking more of the who who is your are directed towards the koch brothers or the florida state university why the koch brothers. because they're there saying we will give you money but only if you will treat train kids the way that we want them trained excuse me i don't understand what the problem with that is the problem is that before the state once it's it was just it's outrageously inappropriate it's all these correlations public interest this is the part of the main problem the main problem is that the koch brothers are conservative and so god forbid conservatives may try and daniel i think you have a point to your original point you're absolutely right that me my my big argument here is without this you never should have said yes will take your money strings i don't really have some interest and they make those very sure who are trying to

hide that you have a right to spread i'm sorry jeff as are you and i'm sorry if i can't get outraged when university faculties are less ideologically diverse than george bush's cabinet look he's having to free market professors on the faculty he can he's had his money he said he's willing to pay it has he doesn't want to f.s.u. doesn't want it they don't want it they can go we don't like the the idea that said no in life why can't they usually agree on the professor that he's going to spend his money to the point because it's a state college if this was a if this was the koch brothers official college but great let them pick their teacher would you be home is if you had a state you have that sort of restriction of decisions that you had that's a restriction on for the state you would be restricting for the state from its own economic freedom because he would that is or how it's there under my carry with you better is that i think. you're not allowed to say that you're missing one thing what i'm saying is that if you said for the state you cannot do you cannot do not business but you cannot make the sort of a green. you can accept donations from people like that then you're restricting who for the state can be as an academic institution can in fact affiliate with and you

can associate with and try to benefit from so i don't think all kinds i think and i think we went on a slippery slope if you like all right well you can accept money from this these organizations but not from these or go i'm not saying there are things you're saying seven zero no strings passport you know where's the outrage for the fact that half of the departments all over the world at every universe major university across the country are gob sided ten to one liberal to conservative where where is the outrage that you know middle eastern studies departments across this country are funded by saudi princes who impose their ideological litmus test there and take israel agenda where is this out religious happening george georgetown university is funded by prince tell all the world but part of saudi arabia has a say in who it is that is i don't think that they're preaching pro israel activism at georgetown middle eastern studies or this is this is living seriously just liberal institutions and just give money to university knowing that they're liberal

in that their money is going to further their cause they don't have to you know maybe science is liberal maybe at you know maybe higher learning is that it doesn't want to get it they don't have to get money i think they should know how to do it there should be transparent i think he was basically with you actually if you would just allow was that was it his god and then he'll have one of his solutions his way to solve the academic unbalances have donors use their money to make sure that they don't point socialist supporting economics and are endowed chairs that like the rich people make all the decisions about only education she won't serve let's teach all large chairs or every academic department in every university there are doubts here have it and i don't think that you're that chairs are not ours to them are surely laid for certain reasons and they're there but he was not certain p.r.c.'s they are this is what isn't should negotiate and i think should not be there should be our state often argue all who are the people who are the arbiters of what is academic. you know what is good science what is good math what is good economics

whatever they should be dismissed doesn't have as that be they both can decide on a qualified person and i happen to believe that someone who could give one point five million dollars doesn't have to give it into a blind cesspool which will only choose someone who's far left of center know a lot of supporters are at the university let him give it to jerry falwell's college let you buy out rallies are already diverse with a juror a letter or the latest there are so to put you have been to plenty of private universities that are very fall i know so let the koch brothers funded them so you think that if they give if you are going to do it i think if they were if you know if they want to go to harvard with strings i don't have a problem with is not a state university but i think the state universities should be independent this is public education like i think you all should. be removed and also because you are independent and we have a disagreement but i don't think they're independent i think i think they're governed by liberal. boards and the professor themselves happened to select from their own back that's just i mean there's no other way to explain twenty four to one conservative the little ratios are ten to one conservative liberal be

absolutely liberal ideas tend to be right more you get smugly smart people liberals i disagree with. conservatives say i don't love warming us i go well the science department you know and that's that's one of the coax big thing is that it's bush and so anyway. last question after a pretty good week last week president obama has a two year high approval rating of sixty percent meanwhile the donald whose numbers were surging before president obama's best week ever is now longeing plummeting in the republican presidential polls so it's back to the drawing board for truck what does he need to do to get back on top and get people to care about him and they have an affair get remarried for the fourth time so you can beat newt gingrich's own game and you patriotic for delhi or be converted mormonism it's work for mitt romney and jon huntsman or c. debuted a new reality show or the talking head some fox news compete to find out what it really means to be fair and balanced. he promised that his vice presidential candidate will be selected from the next winner of the miss eunice miss universe

contest. you know actually servility of that beauty queen this is the sarah sarah palin. i'm john i'm. struck honeymoons over into the trunk campaign but what you know what obama can do to keep his keep the best week ever and continue to have the best week ever so for every week to target another charity and to just take them out send in the seals this should be this is this should be obama's presidency this should be what he's about next time we get a next time when you get off within a shot of maybe put together yet and i think the numbers don't obama are going to so we're going to vote for him you will surely you would vote for him if you did what i just said already said he actually have a platform and talk about some issues and i have to do a presence birthplace i just have to say parenthetically it was fascinating i was there at the correspondents' dinner and when trump came in he was like this rock star everybody wanted to have a picture taken with him and everybody's following me around everything and after

the president just took a part and the comedian says meyers with. you know he just marched out like this and nobody wanted it was it was weird because the other day gets in this helicopter in his private jet and he's probably the last one i think it's oh well you know he's our son his dad a good one hundred one i've always assumed he was the homeowner to have been for us yeah there are you trying to move out well gentlemen thank you both will be. coming up to do a take on why millions of kids are being needlessly drugged about working adults or believe in the world.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't i'm sorry the big picture. here up is the good the bad of the very inconceivably oddly good the presbyterian church yesterday the church approved a provision that allows gay clergy to be your date at parisian removes centuries of old language requiring closure to live in fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman or chastity and singleness the rules are going to fight for the church in

july so no church is one why one are granted full rights today's isn't about the time our government took the same to bad house republicans yesterday house majority leader eric cantor announced that the house didn't have enough time this week to pass a resolution honoring the navy seals who took up in laws against the house did have time to pass a resolution on green george w. bush that's right yesterday republicans renamed a courthouse in taxes after the former president even though they announced at the beginning of the year that they'd no longer pass members of resolutions but i guess what comes to a poor ship and you know the whole bush can't you know redo the history campaign exceptions can be made when it comes to our troops rules of the rules and the very very ugly t.s.a. at kansas city international airport two t.s.a. agents felt the necessary to do one of their intrusive pat down brain checks on an

eight month old baby a photo of the of the procedure surface today show. in the mother holding her baby while two agents go to town making sure that paper isn't full of dynamite t.s.a. released a statement saying the two agents acted according to protocol as in yeah it's two it is t.s.a. policy to act out eight month olds it's like the t.s.a. is taking louie gohmert sphere of terror babies seriously and that's very true. with a lot of debate in the political arena about our schools and how they're being run and all these kinds of things and i want to touch on a topic that comes close to this back in one nine hundred seventy eight my wife louise and i started a community for abused kids in new hampshire it's called in the salem children's

village it's still there salem children's village dot org will get you over there and in one thousand nine hundred eighty i wrote a piece for the journal of orthomolecular psychiatry i got to know dr ben feingold we have tried his diet on our kids virtually all the kids had this hyperactive label called hyper can he suspected that i have a reactive syndrome and i wrote you know one of the first papers suggesting that the problem wasn't that the kids were defective that they were just wired differently nobody really seemed to take it very seriously so you know this was this was in one thousand eight. years that the basic symptoms of attention deficit disorder there's there's basically it's a three legged stool at school it's stool excuse me distractibility impulsivity now i need for stimulation the hypothesis that i had come up with and i wrote about a book in one thousand nine hundred two called eighty a different perception the hypothesis was that in a gathering world distractibility would actually be an asset. because if you were

if you were in one hundred gathering where if you're one hundred going through the forest you're looking for lunch you need to be scanning your. environment constantly because you know otherwise you might miss that rabbit over there that's lunch or you might miss that bear over there that wants to make its lunch and get weeded out of the gene pool distractibility is a good thing impulsively making quick decisions if you're chasing rabbits in the forest and year goes by you don't have time to pull out a pad and pen to go it's a deer more harder to get rabbit or easier to get was made was the response can't do that because it's got to be instant and number three a need for high levels of stimulation the kind of person who would wake up in the morning and say you know it sounds like fun let's go out there in the world where people who are through it where there are things animals that want to eat me as much as i want to eat them and final launch that person would survive so my hypothesis was that when we had honey gather in society there was a genetic brain component for us that actually made better hundred years and that what we shifted to an agricultural society that became

a problem because if you're distractable and your job in agriculture is to take bugs off plants all day long you could bored stiff if you know so distractibility becomes a problem impulsivity becomes a problem the high level of stimulation needed all become problems in the agricultural world the agricultural world then became the industrial were put in bolts on screws all day long or our school systems sitting in a class and not fidgeting for a whole hour waiting for the bell and all of these things you know these kids i call them hunters and farmers world seemed out of place and back in the in in ninety two i first laid this out this book eighty a different perception and it was you know a lot of parents said ah i get it and a lot of scientists said alice got a nonsense come up what are you talking about genetics and others can't this is a disease you don't give a kid some drugs and it became a multi-billion dollar industry. in the in two thousand and three

a fellow by the name of robert noyce was was he worked for the human genome project and he was given a seat at. the carbon actually at the university of california irvine they said that you can research anything you want he said i want to research eighty and he started looking at the genetics of eighty this is a combined study that was done with yale and the university of beijing and university of california and their initial results came to the conclusion that yes this is genetic and yes it has to do with built with me so i wrote a book in two thousand and three titled. the the what's the oh there is the edison gene eighty h.d. and they give to the hundred child and and i said you know this there's a gene or one of the dopamine genes and i proposed that it was the d r d four gene the seventh aliya which is the sort of the variation on the gene that seems to pop up a lot eighty h.t. and i said that gene is actually probably responsible for modern civilisation as we know it and for all the innovations it's obvious that thomas edison had who you

know was thrown out of school when he was seven years old it was obvious it was ben franklin had who had thirty five jobs in his life his last job was created in the united states of america none of these guys could stay on anything for more than you know a year at the most and they were clear eighty classic cases and they changed the world so any i proposed the d r d four seven from a leader in two thousand and three of the edison team and now. the research has been done you know finally this week in new scientist magazine a new study this is the the third study that has corroborated the hypothesis that i laid out i you know i guess i'm claiming some victory here but i think it's a victory for our kids in two thousand or just last week this is this study said. there is there's actually a lot from the study that we've got here someplace i believe here is a.d.h. the symptoms like a rapidly shifting focus of quick movements are actually survival traits that were

selected for during our migration out of africa bingo eighty actually is of value so we're confronted with a choice and we see these kids in the classroom do we modify their brains by putting drugs and chemicals into their brains so that they you know break basically violate the genetic code that they're carrying and stop being hunters and start behaving like farmers or do we modify the school environment make it more interesting make it more very get rid of no child left behind stop rote learning do more socratic teaching do the things that are being done in other countries and that have been done in a lot of schools in the in the in the united states innovative teachers both in public schools and private schools that we know work. and tragically we've been making the choice far too often in my opinion of saying let's just shove some drugs at these kids which have long term consequences similarly for adults there's a lot of adults who've had many many careers in their lives where you know they just couldn't quite grab it and it's because they were hunters who were trying to

be farmers i used to a friend who was a c.p.a. and he was just crash and burn in the c.p.a. business he couldn't do it he was a hunter and c.p.a. business is the ultimate form of business being an accountant so i suggested to him why you instead start selling the services of the c.p.a. firm that you work for become a salesman that's a perfect hunter job just like a private detective i mean there's a lot of good jobs for hundreds that he made that switch and suddenly he was making three times as much money and having a great time so it's like figuring out who we are whether it's kids or adults and question the conventional wisdom of lots of drug our kids because frankly the let's drive our kids conventional wisdom is we're producing a lot of really really negative side effects on developing brains so i just thought it it's really useful to share that information with that thing. i think picture for tonight for more information on our stories visit our website at thom hartmann dot com and. also check out our youtube pages that are at youtube dot com slash the

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