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hello again kind of walk and just talk like danger the shelf and hard to time i'll bring all fancy my guest on the show is to take money out of. the killing of osama bin ladin by american troops has launched a new debate about global security has the world become a safer place or will the death of the al qaeda leader spark new reprisals a new file. gets to help answer this is the director of the center for confident the standings and a cousin of the afghan president had come up out of sight. ten years ago two passenger jets hijacked by al-qaeda terrorists crashed into the buildings of the world trade center in new york killing thousands of people the man who claimed responsibility for the attack top the u.s. most wanted list from then on the u.s. military finally hunted him down and killed him but his death has raised many

questions was it necessary to kill bin laden rather than capture and try him and what will the world be after osama and there are no easy answers. hello mr curtis i welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us thank you thank you for the well first of all the u.s. celebrated the killing of bin laden as a major major victory do you can. the assassination of al-qaeda leader has the turning point of the u.s. war against terror so. first of all i believe the killing over some of the logan was a major success and a victory not just for the united states but for afghanistan in the region at the same time i don't think it's the turning point for the global war on terrorism or for anything in the matter what osama bin laden created in one thousand eighty

eight as a as an organization has gone to become a network and the network has almost become an ideology no so just killing one person does not really deal with the global war on terror so so we're not talking about the end of the war and then i mean i mean there may be there may be and then but none in the forseeable future so it's absolutely not i don't think this is the end of al qaeda because of the has various charismatic commanders out there are not only you know afghanistan and pakistan but throughout the world there is over isn't the only terrorist organization that exactly. this bin ladin really play a major significant world in coordinating all the efforts lately were as some say after after he was forced to go on the cover of these were forced to go underground he his role was more symbolic you know my assessment in terms of being

on the ground and understanding what seems to be happening i think he very much played the role of a motivator the more role of someone who provided ideological ideological guidance rather than operational guidance i think since two thousand and five since he's been living in abbottabad i think his road has been in many different levels just providing various different videos and audios to his followers for motivation purposes were you for some abrasions in the u.s. over the death of bin landen have given way to skepticism conspiracy theories and fears of a growing terrorist threat spotlights going to demean it has more of it. the worst terror attack in u.s. history the horrific nine eleven attacks a new york and washington left some three thousand people there and created a perception that no place on earth is safe from the threat of extremism it took the u.s.

ten years to locate and eliminate the monster mind behind the atrocity denouncement bin laden's death sparked massive abrasions in the united states but when in the show you for it subsided questions started to room merge. washington's refusal to release the man's moon photographs was considered suspicious bag was followed by a declaration by the rayney an intelligence minister who claimed they do some of the known was not actually killed by u.s. troops died from unknowns meanwhile hockey stan in the us has been sending out mutual accusations islamabad blames washington for not informing the raid the u.s. in turn suspects pakistani agents could have had more information on the al-qaeda leaders whereabouts and they were revealing besides there's still the question of whether world without bin laden is real estate for boys skeptics argue al qaeda is

a network of autonomy's groups that can function perfectly with. some analysts believe bin laden's death would actually turn for the restoration of ones its various terrorist organizations may try to bring trees down. but actually america has become a safer place server sends nine eleven there hasn't been a single major terrorist act in the united states because of the measures that have taken do you think that now we can we can we should be waiting for revenge may america. become the next target of a terrorist attack maybe from a car itself i think at this stage it's probably too early to assess whether they will be serious attacks that have been various groups that have been. will there be efforts to to little absolutely zero shooting absolutely would be a first by various different groups to try to reverse the death of bin ladin but at

the same time what you have to understand is that i think that the various measures that have been taken by the united states have little be a more safer place but very recently almost about a year ago we had a major attack if you had actually. in materialized we particularly were with the times square bomber who was an individual who originally was born in pakistan and then grew up in the united states so the threat is not just about individuals and al qaeda members coming from the outside it's members it's individuals that have been radicalized that are actually american citizens they're also pose a very serious threat. because a you mentioned you mentioned other. figures in other people who take over as leaders as ation fluting being ideological becoming ideological leaders as bin laden himself as we can you can you name these people do we know them yeah absolutely i think there's several key

figures that potentially could take over bin laden's position in the first individuals i'm another. who by training is a doctor he is an egyptian who joined. bin laden in one thousand nine hundred six after he was released from the egyptian prison and he has been allegedly named as the number two of the al qaeda by osama bin laden in addition to that we also have an individual by the name of by the name of a living who. libyan quite a charismatic guy very outspoken individual so these are two individuals that could replace bin laden but you have to understand is that both of them do not have the charisma and particularly the charm that bin laden had in terms of mobilizing and recruiting people well the current commander of the u.s. forces in afghanistan general trends so i quote i'm on zoe who you mentioned does know some of the land and ground meaning here is not charismatic

around well you said he lacks bin ladin's charisma but general petraeus says he's not and you should be charismatic to play the role of bin ladin's. do you agree with such downgrade in the sense that i do i do agree with what general petraeus has cert and i have heard the various sermons and the various discourses that have been produced by homologs of only for the past you know decade or so and it's very difficult to compare osama bin laden. had it because they're two different individuals you know one is really the ideologues i mean i'm alone so out is basically a person who provides motivational guidance he gives a lot of sermons a lot of you know speeches about what the world is going through he's the one who will be written one of the most important books in the. history the book is titled the night under the banner of the prophet and where he strategizes his strategy

against the west but clearly achievements that bin laden was responsible for gives him such a grand figure i mean as well the files are really short of this al qaida need such a figure because we we generally so we've been talking for for a long time now that al qaida actually isn't an organization this is a big cartel of different organizations who work individually so so do they need a person like the lead maybe he has already played this role but i think understanding a little pie there really is that it's three separate things it's an organization it's a network city exactly and most importantly has become an ideology so for the organization you may need a leader that leader could be i mean as well do you really someone else but particularly for the network and for the ideology of what you do is we really need someone in the caliber of bin laden because the ideology has already spread i mean there are lots of people that are already buying into this ideology and it's all responsibility now to look at ideology and see how we can use it so he may maybe

like karl marx spread his ideology of communism then passed away and later we had led in trotsky's talent wherever. that how you know not a comparison. is look there is this is dangerous absolutely i think there's a lesson from more than seventy years i absolutely but you also have to understand is that i think what we have been able to do and particularly the voices of of al qaeda are slowly starting to you know slowly slowly starting to be reduced and particularly i think if you look at what's happening in the arab world and many of the young generations that are coming up they're not talking about radicalism they're not talking about militant islam but what they're really talking about is liberal ideas of freedom and democracy and things like that so this i think is the greatest defeat of al qaeda that all these young generations are talking about other things rather than what bin laden and his you know minions were talking about

. bin laden was a very pretty rich guy and he was a member of a rich saudi family so after his death will the money for that. continue and also the times between al qaida and saudi arabia will they will they still be there i think the money that has been coming to our part of the world has been something that has been systematic so the one nine hundred eighty s. since the distance against the former soviet union there was extensive amount of money that was brought in through which a lot of madrassas were created to teach various different ideologies but at the same time i think because of one personality i don't think that funding will stop i think funding will continue because they are personalities who believe that what bin laden was doing or what al qaeda was doing was the right thing so they would continue to provide assistance and the funding so that my kind of zine director of the center for conflict and can is that and

a cousin of the afghan president but might we'll be back shortly we'll continue this including after a short break so stay with us. a cluster mission. and inside the container you have many many small mom and you can have anywhere from dozens up to hundreds of them there's a huge market right now for cattle area clearance because there are a lot of countries in the world that are contaminated by unexploded ordinance. and it's you got these companies and n.g.o.s that have basically sprung up that have an expertise to get rid of these weapons what they do is they go to these places they will hire local train the locals how to do the clearance they'll let the locals

basically take ownership because you know they have a vested interest in clearing their homes and they're putting themselves at risk every single day when they go out there to clear areas of what. it is a. minute . and then.

welcome back to spotlight i'm al green of in just a reminder that my guest today is about kind of zeid the director are of the center for power faith and peace studies in afghanistan and a cousin of the afghan president. which consequences will the death bed by which were discussing today which consequences would have for afghanistan for the situation the country and the political situation in the country i believe the most important opportunity don't provide to afghanistan is really to further push the political reconciliation track on the ground if you recall after nine eleven one of the key demands of the united states was to surrender bin laden and the taliban rejected god the moment what is happening now is that since beloved in his god obviously the taliban do not owe anything to al qaeda so potentially this track of political reconciliation could further be

expanded and the opportunity for a political settlement could be near in the immediate future under which circumstances you mentioned the taliban under which circumstances do you think your brother's government because as government could and should start their wreck negotiations start talking with the terms of the earth in government has been very clear about what the demands and what are some of the red lines for negotiation and there are three red lines first. violence break your ties with al qaeda and accept the afghan constitution if these three elements if these three demands are met most the individuals fighting are welcome to come back to the society and if these are not met i think the alternative is quite harsh will they ever be meant do you think this is part of what i think their discussions their discussions that are taking place and you have to understand is that afghanistan has gone through you

know three decades of violence and so on both sides you know people are tired of the. conflict and they want to live in a peaceful environment yet you can speak about centuries of what. we've heard forty years of relatively calm and relative stability so sue people to go into two to one of the golden areas of afghanistan but at least for the past three decades we've had several generations there have been brought up as you know as. a generation that could basically servers as foot soldiers for anybody's army ok now there is an opinion that foreign occupation from presence in afghanistan is only fueling the taliban insurgency well you agree with that well actually no i do not agree with that you have to understand is that the international community is in afghanistan under the u.n. mandate the u.n. has given specific recommendations in terms of how to proceed about being gauge once in afghanistan and you have to will also understand is that the international

community is seen by the afghans not as an occupation force was slowly i think in certain contexts perception may be changing but at the same time they're seen as supporters or partners to further develop the capacity of afghanistan and to further develop the afghan economy and the afghan security sector he said that the native soldiers are not considered it's not a question of which that is and the russians the soviet soldiers when they were in advanced they were considered to be an occupation force and actually they were an occupation force works we've been hearing voices today that when the russians were there it was better that they did much more good things well the sounds of occupying the country for afghanis. then the the the nato soldiers are doing is there to have you heard these words is clearly what is happening now in afghanistan but in certain quarters perceptions are changing. perceptions are

changing because of various different activities for example the coalition forces. go into afghan villages they go to africa and houses they go into afghan communities and search and do night raids and have various different you know activities that are not considered sensitive to the culture of afghanistan to the people of afghanistan so it's because of those kind of perceptions people are slowly started to look at the international community in different contexts but at the same time we're also have to realize that because of the international community afghanistan is in a much better condition afghanistan has an infrastructure afghanistan has a parliament has had two presidential elections but at the same time i think there's much more that could be done in this regard. many people and you of course read it here that it say that the have their government is. an efficient and corrupt is it true and there what in your opinion should be done to make it more efficient and less correct look it's understandable for people to

criticize the afghan government because of corruption but you worked what is specifically important for people to realize is that they're different levels of corruption there's corruption in the afghan government but at the same time there's a very serious corruption in the international community which also has to be addressed and also corruption particularly could be addressed with by systematic procedures and policies and regulations corruption by the west particularly in its contracting mechanism in various different levels it's completely seen in different contexts as compared to what the corruption is seen in afghanistan that is conducted by afghan officials or different organizations so there has to be mechanisms developed for that and it should not just be a pressure point by the west against the afghan government. nobody ever could conquer gamester in history is there a secret that you can share is there what's so special about this countries except it's in the mountains that that really makes it possible to conquer afghanistan as

a is a proud nation afghanistan is a nation that has thousands of years of history dozens of proud nations that doesn't sound great but it is the same time you have to understand is that the people the one thing that they care to most about is their own sovereignty and what they really care about is their own pride in terms of living their life the way they want to live it and this is why i think some of these issues that we've been facing some of these voices are being heard because slowly i think some of the elements of our culture are not really respected on the ground on certain levels. is there a possibility to completely eliminate and kind of completely their organization in the first civil future in our lifetime or not but i think absolutely it's possible but for that i think we need a change of mind most importantly change minds of our own wine exactly not only of all mine but at same time i think the measures that have been taken to deal with

has primarily been of military nature when we need to do is start taking strategic measures to deal with a partner when we need to do is start going after the ideology which is ideology but you know some of the huntington talked about in the ninety's that there is a clash between you know the various different civilization as an afghan or someone who you know has been educated abroad i don't think there is a clash and we need to make a clear explanation of that do you think that the united states will escalate it and its anti terror attrition is in your region pakistan and afghanistan should we actually see more killings of al qaeda leaders in the region you know the afghans for the past almost six seven years have been caught. only saying that terrorism is not in our villages terrorism is not in afghanistan you need to go across the border to see what's happening there and if you look at history if you look at the various senior leaders of al qaida most of them have been found in pakistan and not

really in caves and mountains most of them have been found in major cities like karachi lowell bindi and various other cities so if we're going to go after al qaeda we really need to be doing a lot of our work across the border in pakistan what makes radical islam such a powerful force in your e pakistan in afghanistan why why is it why is it so hard because people like people like that loudon people that inspire. young boys away so it's you have to understand history and we have to understand what has led us to this point i mean the soviet occupation of afghanistan as a very serious example that we can learn from when the soviet union invaded afghanistan there was a massive influx of jihadi smuggler sires in violent ideologies that were preached in our region thousands and thousands of moderate souls were created to brainwash people and it's the consequence of those kind of actions that we're seeing in our region. it is going to take significant amount of time to once again to educate

these people that you know what is happening in specially in this context is wrong the way our culture has been changed the way these ideologies have been infos upon us that is going to take time and we should not automatically expect that things will change in the immediate future some of the servers say political scientists like yourself say that pakistan may follow in the first steps of canst after the killing of god. there may be sort of a see even a civil war inside the country between between government and slowly quranic with do you think this is possible in the neighboring country no i doubt it i don't think yes i do agree that it has the votes are very strong because. i believe that pakistan does face very serious challenge the serious challenges that come from militant extremism there is a challenge of the economy that has been suffering with very serious and high level of inflations but at the same time i think it's the military that holds the country

together and i don't think it's the military will allow the country to disintegrate . but the question that everybody is asking is that the pakistanis they they let some of bin ladden find refuge in afghan in pakistan and he stayed there for for quite a long time and then the americans found him so do you think that the reason for that were the the very complicated relations between between the secret services of the united states and pakistan that they first brought the land there and then they let americans get i believe that and this is exactly where president obama in the united states bin laden had a vast infrastructure in pakistan and without infrastructure there's no way he could have survived now the house that bin laden was living and was established was built in two thousand and five so it is my assumption that he's been living there

since two thousand and five and it's very difficult to see two thousand six thousand and five two thousand and six so it's very difficult to assume that without any kind of support he's been living there you know thirty five kilometers from islamabad so there certainly is that very serious investigation needs to be conducted in terms of what kind of infrastructure existed in the region existed in the environment for us to see what are you know the possibilities of this kind of support in the region thank you thank you very much for being with us we are fortunate we run out of time please come again whenever you must come in and just a reminder that my guest today was my director of the center for conflict and pain studies and again is that the cousin of the afghan press that's it for now will be back with more than a comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then they are to take thank you.

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