you know some some kind of conflict it's really quite astounding is a possible congressman rangle but this this piece of the fence appropriation bill is so unconstitutional that it will be challenged in court and is that the supreme court might just look at it go cannot give me a minute this is a joke or it could be a great. i very clearly that it violates the constitution but i don't think that we should wait for that i think this gives us an opportunity to set the record straight we haven't had the courage to defy any president that paterson foreign countries exposing our troops to without justification and without the congress approved well if it's all there you can depend in effect will be there and as long as there's no personal sacrifice because the american people are going along but now we can even avidly excuse about who we don't issue who we're going to kill who the enemy and i think if we don't get it this time i'm almost happy

that it is just so clear cut that there's no restrictions on the president oh given everything to the president it violates the separation of powers in such a way that the congress really is forfeit all of its rights and therefore we have done violence to our relationship with the people that we represent so i'll be calling out to the spiritual leaders and say hey you're involved in this too you know these are god's children we're talking about and you may not have a kid in this fight but you never can tell who made previously forever. congressman ryan we have just just one minute left very quickly do you think that now that this is seen the light of day that there's some publicity being shined on it that it'll be taken out in the senator in conference or that it it this will not end up being signed by the president. i would not. hope those things but as

a member of the house i can tell you our voices are got a very loud and clear even though when you minority that doesn't mean we've got to roll over on this one and we're talking about being anti their friend sort of as a sheehan and this thing was slippin without a hearing without anyone that supports it being proud of it and quite frankly if they get away with this it's our problem we're the ones that allowed it to happen and i can promise you that you got a lot of voices and if we don't get a response from the american people they don't care much about the united states constitution and i refuse to believe that very well said congressman charlie rangel thank you so much for being with us tonight. thank you john and george orwell's book one thousand nine hundred four big brother famously said war is peace and george w. bush took this to heart when he started the war on terror literally take a look at that infamous orwellian bush ism. and we talk about really talking about

that. but the truth is there's nothing worse for a nation and was war as james madison our fourth president of the constitution said no nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of perpetual war. it's wednesday which means it's time for the lone liberal wrong before i take on two of the city's most savvy conservative political commentators to debate the week's biggest issues on our panel tonight heather sermon and service strategist and managing owner of the for forty group public relations and amanda carey reporter with the daily caller either amanda welcome welcome to the world to be here to see you both. let's start right off newt gingrich has officially joined the two thousand and twelve republican race for the presidency though he's entering the race of quite a lot of baggage is currently on his third marriage after cheating on his first

wife while she was recovering from cancer back in one nine hundred eighty he also cheated on a second wife with just been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in the one nine hundred ninety s. trying to kick president clinton out of office for an extramarital affair the woman with whom he was cheating on wife number two is now wife number three with a five hundred thousand dollars if he's addiction and given his track record she better stay away from doctors so why isn't the someone like john edwards who was also caught cheating on his sick wife who's been blacklisted from politics forever if the republicans are rallying behind newt gingrich a serial adulterer i don't think there's any regularly as well as a high half expected there is a possibility i think it's that he's dead in the water i mean yeah throw you but not because of his wives of each. the water because he came out and talked about conservative social you know i think he was he was already i. know shot because of his history of anybody knows that if you are unfaithful to your wife you're probably going to be unfaithful to the country or state you know every represent so

i don't know recently the rationale that was used to impeach clinton yeah i mean i don't think they had a chance and all this other stuff that's come out with tiffany is and with criticizing the ryan plan interest all works against him given where. we have the party was to intervene you know david vitter for example i mean i just blows my mind i don't understand it david vitter was on the d.c. madam's those teams patronizing prostitutes he does a press conference he goes back in the u.s. senate it's a standing ovation from the republicans in the senate and he gets reelected by his constituents that's what the republicans i think you know well i mean if you're asking you know who is worse john edwards i would say that there's really no contest about equally bad but the biggest difference here is that john edwards is hiding it while running for president and hiding it from the american people and i think that puts him on a whole nother level now with even though it was a pretty awful i mean price so this time around if you can just already out there and he had his john edwards moment he well back i guess in the ninety's when all

this came out i mean it's old news and it's out there he's being open about it and you have to give him credit i suppose but again like you know john ensign it took him forever to leave office mark sanford never stepped down never stepped up and just waited out his term to paycheck schwarzenegger had his kid with his mistress living in his house with him for ten years and i'm not even made public while he's running for governor not even californians that voted for him maybe i don't know i mean it's like you know david vitter got reelected you know john ensign thought he would get reelected but you know what you're saying is that republicans who are unfaithful tend to be elected more often brought into three on. and is that is that because the christian right is so much more involved in the republican party than the democratic party and democrats are less likely to be church going and republicans are more likely was the answer lower you know another more different republican can claim redemption through confession and you know i'm watching the

blood of jesus and a democrat could get away with it i don't know about that i mean there's no question that you can it was incredibly unpopular with social conservatives never would have gotten on iowa given a giuliani same problem never would have made it very far didn't make it very i was never popular social conservatives because it was you dressed up and said it's late . on monday our nation's really really good on monday our nation had its debt ceiling treasury secretary tim geithner is now using extreme measures to keep our nation from defaulting on its debt and spiraling into a great depression is all this can be avoided if republicans agreed to a clean bill just an up or down vote on the debt ceiling that's it instead republicans are using the debt ceiling as leverage to screw over working people by cutting trillions of dollars out of the social safety net programs so the public is playing games with financial disaster the question is when did it become conservative to crash the u.s. economy and i'm taking it i'm getting at the neither of you agree with

a nice proposition we have to look at what the democrats are doing to you i mean everyone talks about what the republicans are doing to hold the debt ceiling hostage but democrats are doing the same thing i mean conner said that any raising i guess of that at that level has to come with increased revenue a k. a more taxes so they're doing the exact same thing and whereas republicans they want to cut spending and you know it's cutting through. a very big time of programs but the you have actually want to cut spending actually you have to do you know let's remember too the debt ceiling was created nine hundred seventeen question do we need the debt ceiling should we just get rid of it we're going to give the false sense that there's accountability anyway there is no accountability and we've all become very dependent on. government the government is huge and we all keep on asking for more and we just totally reworked weeks eek up and you know right now our g.d.p. is around fifteen trillion we're hitting a fourteen trillion dollar debt so it's about what ninety percent of g.d.p.

in one thousand nine hundred five after world war two we're one hundred twenty nine percent of g.d.p. over the next four years we work that down to we're pretty much was a normal until reagan became president and we did it without cutting any spending in fact it was spending like crazy we did it by growing our economy what's wrong with doing the time to switch if you got yeah you got it right now we have to cut spending medicare is i think it's because medicare is the biggest driver of the national let's just look at government leaders go share drugs just like the issue that you have to put in solution that cuts spending but is so wrong that we do it i think that we do i mean you want to say medically are you really your god you know you are your own expenses time if you find out that you know you're spending more than you're going in do you just keep on borrowing of course not you get yourself into a big hole and pretty soon you can be on the show anymore but you know you have your experience is that america does but my point about medicare is that the republicans set up this bomb in medicare with medicare part d. where they said the government cannot negotiate for it so literally the government

in through medicare in some cases has to pay ten dollars for an aspirin whereas the veterans administration go up the marketplace and say hey you know this year we're going to buy twenty million tablets of c. pro or whatever you know or you know give us what's your lowest price that i mean that's what's blowing up medicare and that it's going back again to the government being so huge that back to canada really almost certainly says enough failure i think it i think republicans and democrats are both to blame for our huge government you know i mean george bush george w. bush did it but why very likely to decrease the size of government actually increase the size of government you know we need to and don't want it very few people have the guts to stand that we have paul ryan be as good if it's rated by everybody we're saying that we need to make them cut taxes or. i mean i wasn't even there i'm sorry i'm not it's not it's the twenty sexually yeah i think all of us would agree though that we have to make some changes in order to be sustainable ok . here. the state of vermont is those step closer to becoming the first state of

the nation to creating a universal single payer health care system yesterday a committee in the state house was set up to work out the details of the health care benefits packages will be available free of cost all for moderates meanwhile back in america's for profit health insurance industry we recently learned that major health insurance companies are rolling in the dough in the first quarter of two thousand and eleven sigma seen a fifty two percent increase in profits and humanise in a twenty two percent increase that money is not trickling down to better care which cheaper premiums instead steven j. hensley c.e.o. of united healthcare has taken more than a half billion dollars in the last five years or so where does holmes cygnus presidents homes and the private jets the c.e.o. of united health group steven helmsley is salary three point two million dollars the incredible gross profits of the private health insurers industry that is the core of the problem here years ago i think the president united health care made so much money that one in every seven hundred dollars that was spent in this country

health care went to pay him so. if you're pretty strike it's pretty amazing you just got a little gasp out of there the c.e.o. of cigna had to hand wave the annual revenue nineteen point one billion dollars two hundred ninety two million dollars in net income his salary twelve point two million dollars a new report released today warned employers that health care costs are going to continue to rise eight point five percent next year in all probability still two years before obamacare goes into full effect and fifty two million people without health insurance in america so this is pretty obvious that the status quo for profit insurance leeches isn't working for america should we be taking some lessons from vermont. vermont i mean i'm glad you are. because ninety percent of people with out government funding of health care are insured so it's very interesting to see that that's the status quo and yet you still have this bill that's being introduced they have no idea going to pay for it to provide for all

those people that ten percent of the population i guess it doesn't have health care and so just when i put those ten percent of people who don't have it they're saying no everybody has to totally revamp with their what they're used to and take the government offers you which may be less than what you desire they're not going to ban anybody from buying health insurance i mean every country in the world that has a single payer health insurance or for universal health plans also allows private companies are for secondary insurance it's just that of all of the thirty four we see the nations the thirty four most developed nations the world thirty three of them make it a felony to offer primary health insurance for profit basis it has to be rising it's interesting that ninety percent of. all have health insurance but a law says that i'm so impressed that the doctor dinosaur program i lived in vermont for ten years and when howard dean became governor he did this thing called dr dinosaur which is medicaid and he tripled it my recollection is correct the number of low income kids there's a lot of in vermont there's a lot of poverty in a state who are eligible for you know health insurance i'm guessing that your number includes doctor and you know how this this this whole debate that's the

conversation so many times you are and i'm trying to figure out what the argument is it is that the argument is that vermont is trying national health care so. but the argument is that the rest of us that one in every seven hundred healthcare dollars is going to one guy stephen hadley his predecessor dollars argue it's a health care exact make a ton of money if their life nationalized health care yes i don't think that's a really good argument i think that's and i think it's a brilliant are you married you got you've got leeches they're taking twenty to thirty percent of all health care dollars and they're bankers they don't give a single kid a shot they don't look at anybody's throat they're banks you're probably have it all of corporate and so you know i say that about any c.e.o. i would not there's a lot of companies that are very well run into it very moderately did. i'm not one to try this experiment i say let them try it you know states are laboratories of democracy but i don't see that as an argument for saying you know six hundred fifty thousand you know every month on health care i mean arizona passed a immigration law last summer to be passed that went to you because there is

evidence well alex. there's there's groups pushing that state i just don't. like this i just don't buy it sounds more like they should become part of canada actually well you know this is how it happened in kansas a schedule in past a single payer health care system than every other every other problem said we want to do under certain circumstances where there should be a part of canada where i say err theys i want to you know i just goes actually. with this. ok what's going to walker of two in wisconsin writes to same sex couples this week walker announced the state will no longer defend a law that gives individuals and same sex relationships the right to visit each other in the hospital where i was granted to them back in two thousand and nine thanks to a law passed by democrats but now walker saying it's unconstitutional since it doesn't serve the public interest therefore he shouldn't have to be funded but isn't granting more rights to people in the public interest is in the idea of progress giving more rights and not taking rights away which. one thing you forgot

the fact that in two thousand and six people of wisconsin pass constitutional amendment saying that they were against same sex marriage and they didn't want the same rights of marriage given to same sex couples that's a constitutional amendment that was approved by the people and then a democratic governor in wisconsin said oh well we're just going to i'm going to go ahead and challenge that and say that same sex color was. right but much against the will of the people and so while he's saying as and i'm not there at the end of this because it goes against the constitution and also also he that you just uttered is that you can actually have power of attorney and anybody can go visit you can you can see a savage power of attorney to a same sex partner to a friend to a neighbor jimmy. this is a very in hospitals we already have. thousand places in federal and state law where the word marriage is and well typically with the saudi military it is not about rights giving the stature of marriage to. the so your argument basically is that

the people of wisconsin said we don't want gays to get married in the state we don't just have rights in the state and therefore i think are you going to heritage and it will inherit all of this concert assassin what about when the people of mississippi said you know we don't we don't want african-americans to have rights in our state we think that slavery i don't agree that you can equate the two but i think that i think we're talking human rights versus you're not you have asked me what you think about mary i don't think this is a gay rights group and i think that you know i personally don't have a problem with it but i think that examining the constitutionality of some law that a governor put into place is completely legitimate and there's no problem with going back or eating it if it is unconstitutional as you know the argument is he made that is i think the attorney general said that it is unconstitutional then we go back to the real problem and go through the process repeal the original bill if that's what you want to do with wisconsin if the people of wisconsin want to repeal of that amendment then let's go through the process and make it happen once again to the state you're talking up or monsoon what they want to do you know is this

concentrate what it wants to do and you know the people who passed this amendment if you're a man and a lot of seeing how he's a change if you know your vote gauge right and i would say that a lot has changed in the last three or four months since the people of wisconsin figured out what the republicans are up to and we'll see what happens when i get out of it live in a place where you can vote and thank god for ok this week the tea party turned on speaker john boehner they're unhappy with his budget compromising and plans to raise the debt ceiling and some tea partiers are even calling for a primary challenge to the v.p. speaker of the house so the question is what friends does john boehner have left and you washington d.c. there's a quip or a there is this i don't see this graphic here there's just inside kids eric cantor who also will die. the ties to fight against the working class or be bought enjoyed the monocle bar they provide the best shoulders to cry on or seemingly out hollywood tan she doesn't want to lose her best customer i like. the course i'm going to go to hollywood and girl i'm going to be the practical part we're. going

to go and i'm going with nancy pelosi keep your friends close and your enemies closer here in d.c. the future is so today i'd rather serve a man to carry make it happen thank you both for being here it's a great after the after the break the gang of six is breaking down just like the previous gang of six did a big gang of fourteen a gang of twenty one white gangs and government just don't work come from i still it. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here in the us.

i think the fun to be the one well. we have the government says to keep him safe get ready because you give them their freedom. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you saw you don't. charge is a big issue. for

. four. or five. the gang of six is no more yesterday senator tom coburn dropped out of that gang a group of three republicans and three democratic senators given the task of writing the two thousand and twelve budget and figuring out a way to raise the debt ceiling coburn said he's out because he doesn't believe in agreement we reached anymore so now it's up to another game this one headed by vice

president joe biden to come up with a budget hopefully before we default on our debt descend into economic chaos with all these gangs around it makes you wonder whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of open debate on the floor of the house and the senate and all our elected representatives taking part to determine the best path for america why are we instead relying on game since when did gang rule come to america. china relied on gang rule back in one thousand nine hundred sixty six with its own rose to power he created a gang of four to basically run the entire country during the cultural revolution his gang rule lasted for ten years before the cultural revolution fell apart after miles death and the gang of four was put on trial for crimes against the state and slapped with life long prison sentences turns out they were met by gangs didn't work very well but here we are in america trying it over and over again our constitution says our politicians should make decisions and it doesn't say anything

about a gang of six guys sitting in a smoke filled room with martinis hammering out the best path for the other three hundred million of us or for that matter the best path for the other four hundred twenty nine members of congress yet that's exactly what happens over and over and over again with disastrous results especially for progressives in two thousand and nine a gang of six senators on max baucus is committee was given the power to write the health care reform your problem is when you take the debate out of congress and stick it in a room without cameras and you take the american people out of the debate and in their absence special interests worm their way in that's baucus is gang of six took a combined eight million dollars in campaign contributions from the health care pharmaceutical and insurance industries it's no wonder that the final result of the negotiation was a bill that didn't have a public option and they gave the health insurance companies fifty million new

customers that they could screw over and extract phones from to give to their c.e.o.'s for some reason even though they had huge majorities in the house and senate democrats outsourced writing a signature piece of legislation the health care bill three right wingers and three so-called moderate democrats who promptly threw all the progressive ideas into the fire on the first day. and in the end the gang of six still couldn't get any republicans on board to support then there was the gang of fourteen back in try two thousand and five this can try to figure out a way to break a democratic filibuster of bush's ultra right wing supreme court nominees and the end democrats in the gang of fourteen gave in and allowed samuel alito to be confirmed to the supreme court a decision that's led to disastrous consequences in the years since then and there was the gang of twenty back in two thousand and eight when lawmakers were brought together to create

a new energy plan for america one that was supposed to limit offshore drilling and end all the oil subsidies kill the eleven men have died on the deepwater horizon rig blew up or the residents of the gulf war still dealing with all that oil and poison the well back again. and in two thousand and seven there was the gang of twelve entrusted with creating a comprehensive immigration reform bill that worked out brilliantly hey in just the last five years we've seen very well just how bad game rule in congress is and yet here we are in the midst of economic turmoil on the doorstep of default and we are relying on another gain to lead us out of the wilderness a gang i might add that's received over a million dollars from each of the major industries big oil wall street big agribusiness so i'm not holding my breath expecting a cut it will subsidies or cut the number of billionaires and millionaires who pay

a maximum fifteen percent income tax because of the bush capital gains tax giveaways and i'm not holding my breath for a cut farm subsidies to the giant ad companies as they keep a and off war and more and more members of congress it's kind of like you know the old the old joke we've got the best congress money can buy it's really a tragedy. so i say it's a good thing that's on tom coburn dropped out because given the history of gang rule in the united states congress the end result of the gang of six was likely a few thirty am worthless instead let's go gangbusters and bring back open debate to the floors of congress where our representatives know that they're being held accountable we can see what they're up to and then and hear everything they have to say then maybe democrats will start acting like democrats and more importantly our government will start acting like our founding fathers imagine that

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let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think. one well. we never got that says they're very safe get ready because their freedom. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like you think you understand it and then a glimpse something else here sees some other part of it and realize everything you

saw he knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. the same. wealthy british style. my limit.