tv [untitled] May 18, 2011 10:00pm-10:30pm EDT
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well you know. i know what's really happening to the global economy with my. no holds barred look at the global financial headlines. but when they load a show for the real headlines with none of the mercy we're going to live out of washington d.c. you know the risks of being a war journalist now that twelve journalists have died during the arab spring we have one simple you have a very crucial question to ask is it worth it we'll speak with restraint those co-director sebastian younger next should it radical letters to the editor be printed that's the question being raised dr george a newspaper printed a piece from a reader that is incredibly islamophobia but i'll ask if money really does buy you
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freedom in light of the recent dominique strauss kahn scandal will determine if there is equality in the u.s. justice system or if it's all about buying your way with the best possible lawyer then of votes and oil subsidies failed in the senate last night but there's a much larger question to ask here even if it had passed well that'll solve all of america's problems or are these small politics what's getting in the way of real change that and happy hour for you tonight but first let's move on to our top story . was only weeks ago we reported to you the tragic death of two photojournalists in libya tim hetherington and chris hondros but their deaths are not the only ones according to the committee to protect journalists and human rights watch twelve journalists have been killed during the arab spring that's taken over the middle east and north africa dozens more have been detained and it's a dangerous job to bring truth from conflict zones the pictures the firsthand experiences but in the media sesay. with sex scandals and celebrity dancing shows
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you have to ask your journalists a very critical question is risking their life worth it it's a topic that's especially relevant for our guests earlier we caught up with sebastian younger co-director of her struggle bestselling author of the perfect storm and author of the new book out called war sebastian is covered war zones for years from sierra leone to bosnia to afghanistan it's a dangerous job so i first asked him why he does it. i think there's no way to cover a war without undergoing some of the risks that people stuck in the war have to undergo the civilians of bosnia afghan civilians or soldiers american soldiers it's just that's there's no other way to get the information that is. they use the reason you're there but do you think that it's a bit of a thankless job i mean you know i think if people look back they might even remember why a certain conflict may have begun to add up probably they remember less so the journalists that risked their lives and maybe even lost their lives you know in
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order to cover that conflict him to bring the truth from the ground and meanwhile everybody will remember the latest sex scandal. and you know that to go through the exclusive in the public consciousness i think. of the reporters that i know they do the work because it's very very gratifying to find it exciting some of them probably got into it because they thought it was kind of romantic. and you know i think there is a kind of a high status attached to attest to doing this work that draws a lot of people it is dangerous people do get killed but everyone understands that's that's the risk and i you know i most of the people that i know do this work would really do it for free if they had to do really or very very committed to it how do you keep yourself removed from the politics of it all how do you just do a straight reporting without being in a place like afghanistan and looking out of course the death and just the destruction around you and then think of osama bin laden's recent death and realize
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the whole time hey he was in pakistan or even look at the conflict that's going on in libya where of course if ransom hetherington was killed that's a military conflict right now that has no clear call absolutely no consensus internationally. well you know i start most of my experience covering wars were civil wars where civilians were dying enormous numbers and those. wars were stopped by outside military intervention bosnia kosovo sierra leone liberia. and now libya i mean thank god nato went into libya i mean there would be thousands and thousands of civilian deaths in cities like in gaza if the outside world it's simply stood back the way we did in rwanda so we stood back and watched a powerful government slaughter its own citizens so you know i'd much you're i am able to be impartial my bias if you will is that civilian suffering civilian death
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is a bad thing and so with afghanistan you know i was there in the one nine hundred ninety s. the civil war that eight hundred ninety s. and as bad as things look now in afghanistan it is nothing compared to the ninety's four hundred thousand afghan civilians died in that decade of the ninety's since nato has been in afghanistan thirty fifth highest estimates are thirty thousand civilians have died so you know for me from a humanitarian perspective. as bad as this is it's a huge improvement over what i do fifteen years ago there so but is it not a doubt in your mind that you think that there would have been higher casualties in libya had the un not intervened there i mean i think a lot of people would argue that the entire premise that this was a humanitarian intervention has to come into question especially now that it's reached a stalemate and often that type of prolonged conflict leads to more civilian casualties . and i think i have to disagree i mean i think it's civilian casualties were to a minimum because kind of his troops were kept out of cities like benghazi where
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could offer himself. to basically create a bloodbath of his own civilians so. you know i mean. the genocide in rwanda a million people were killed you know surely had the french or the belgians of the u.s. got in there and stop that war probably would have taken two or three weeks. that would have saved human life they would have required maybe military force to do it but he would have. net huge net saving if you would like human suffering it's really hard to argue against that for the same reason we need police in the cities of our country no police innocent people will die and you will be will become violent poisons was the word for back then you know to some of the risks that we are talking about now that tim hetherington was killed in libya has not changed her outlook at all will you ever cover another war again. you know i'm ok personally with the idea of risking my life cautiously and wisely but with risking my life and
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in combat to cover these stories but we in tim's death i had this trip terrific rebel revelation that that's not really what's at issue is not what we're talking about we're talking about the effects everyone who loves you if you die i can be ok with it but i'm going to do what i just experienced with him i'm going to do that to everyone i'm close to and so i kind of made this decision that i'm not going to try to keep covering these important stories but not very for a lot of positions where i'm getting shot at and you get killed i just don't want to put my family my loved ones through that anymore i've done it for almost twenty years you know frankly i think it's time to let the next generation move into those rules. so you know i think that one of the things that was obvious through the strap o. through your book as well is that you examine his personal relationships actually you know the fact that we hear about war and we think of it on a massive scale but a lot of the time it comes down to the personal relationships between the troops
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and the minute there with especially if it's an out place outpost and a very remote part of the town so how do you think though that your experience might differ when you have to go back and forth between the states and between afghanistan and the way that the soldiers feel every time that they have to readjust to normal life again. you know the guys i was with most of them didn't leave just the state of your being in their off years between deployments. we spent on base in italy training for the next appointment so they did not come back to their their calves and their farms in their cities you know they stayed they stayed there stuff i didn't and so i you know for me as an as an adult. i think the transitions were easier but you know these guys are twenty years old and i think going back and forth the way i was i think would have been extremely hard for them and i'm older you know i think as you get older you just deal with things a little bit better. now lastly i just wonder geez i ever think that war reporting
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of the pictures that we see from the ground of the stories that we hear but average people let's say you know the average american sitting at home safely on their couch watching these stories can we ever fully grasp what it's like to be in a war zone. you know you can't fully grasp anything from television but you can and you can of course important information about the talk. t.v. coverage of the vietnam war played a huge role in ending the vietnam war he needed the prosper so that the suits so the american public could form conversation room for debate about what we were doing to these are likewise in afghanistan where you need the procedure you will you would understand completely what it were that reality is but you will get enough information to have an informed debate that's what the book or see is. god forbid we ever lose we would lose that and all the reason i guess that the
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journalist you go out and risk their lives in order to bring these stories and the grounds of action i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight and of course we appreciate the work that you do and we are very sorry for your loss as well as tim hetherington thank you. thank you very much. still to come tonight the reason of a letter to the editor is earning a georgia newspaper a lot of criticism but love tide lines should newspapers use to determine which ones get printed and which ones get mixed then will also revisit the scandal surrounding i.m.f. chief dominique strauss kahn but they will take a closer look at the inequality in our justice system is the key to getting off scot free really all about getting the best lawyers that money can buy we'll speak with the young turks and experience when we return.
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we. were never going to get. him safe get ready for freedom. hey guys welcome michel ancel on the a lot of show we've heard what our guests have to say on the topics now i want to hear audio has gotten you seem to video responses are to twitter for part of the questions that we've posted on you tube every monday and on thursday the show is gone responses the live play blog what's it. feel
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safe fixed. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for life you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom or welcome to the big. again phil times from gainesville georgia is coming under fire for printing
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a letter to the editor from reader jim now in this letter the reader congratulates the delta pilot who recently refused to fly his plane with two muslims on board and he also went on to say that it's impossible to distinguish between muslims who are anti-american and just waiting for a chance to do us harm versus those who are merely pursuing their religious beliefs in this country he then concluded by saying of the only way to be sure and safe is to just exclude them all as a perfect example of the fear that pervades the minds of many americans it's manifested into islamophobia discrimination and hate so the question a lot of people out there are asking is should newspapers be printing these beliefs that are extreme is that responsible journalism or is it their job to really give every voice an option to be put out there or to discuss this with me is christopher chambers lecture at georgetown university and author of the blog chris thanks so much for joining us you now what do you have to say here that you think now do you
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think that you know it's really the newspapers responsibility are they supposed to add it's obviously they always get to choose which letters to the editor they write out there or not it is their job to edit something if it my offended few people or quite the opposite should they be putting it out there so every voice every opinion is well you know back in the day before you know corporate media before the internet you know that in the internet used to do that all the time we still do it for grammar for luke so it's like that obscenity. you know basically do you have the power to create the kind of stuff or no should. it depends on the you shoe a lot of times they will let this stuff go to create. the internet and comment sections through it's on the front be opened up for more commentary and more engagement more entertainment more traditionally has gotten has gotten a lot of attention are out there talking. but do you think that it's more
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acceptable you know i mean these days i think that it's fair to say a lot of americans might just agree with jim here i thought that they probably are scared and so you know is the better way to just put that out there so forces people to to come to terms of that to confront these feelings to really talk about them as out of the way that you overcome thing we're talking about and i don't know what goes on in a tauriel meetings or production meetings you know i mean those are very cloistered kind of areas but they do make those decisions i mean what kind of buzz will this create what kind of debate will this create or if we agree with this tacitly so we're going to let it slip out i mean i personally think that more analysis more coverage more professional. on this kind of issue would be better than letting you know just any jackass comedy comment you know because again that's what newspapers used to do back in the do they do have a focus and have a point of view but it was an information point of view it wasn't a propaganda or a commercial point of view and now it's just let's just throw everything out there
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get people talking about it and you know maybe even pander to some of the lunatics out there but you and i are in the media business we've had comments about us on websites etc etc that bounces off but that's not part of the debate it's just a byproduct they're trying to manufacture something here but if so many americans i mean to really think you know that let's say just exclude all muslims right easier to just get rid of them all and then we can always be safe which is a ridiculous premise i ask me i dare you to get rid of every member of the america and then you tell them all crime mysteriously disappear no one has ever killed once again but so then should the professional media even because i think that you can say that the mainstream media in terms of t.v. has been coming under a lot of fire these for the as they try to give two sides to every story these days the signs of you know i mean more and more extreme you have to show some common sense i mean should they i believe they should. we legally professionally their
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only obligation is to cut off anything that's libelous or slanderous we're invasion to somebody is privacy or profanity is now beyond that yes they should because they're under an obligation i feel to present information and to teach people not just pander and i think here they are pandering to people and then it does our media teach us anything anymore when we must get around to receive we watch berger debates and we watched you know aides that are actually taken serious about whether the president is a muslim or not you know. it's again an editorial meeting i'm sure that was the idea we'll let this one go through will fire up all the other loonies that believe the way he does the polling on the community and when it will generate pose it will get more it will get more hits on our website we'll get more people reading it in the morning that's what's going into it but there is an obligation here to teach people and perhaps that means cut that stuff off now the test is going to be are they going to follow up with some article some coverage some analysis if they're
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not if they're just going to turn it and have even more lunatics on or maybe some radical muslim on the other side that they can quote the fire of people that's going to be the test and i bet you what's going to happen is they're not going to teach people they're not going to be any editorials it's going to be the same old stuff so they're going to act like oh here's a letter to the editor and the rest of you decide what you want to make with it which i think you could say is fairly typical or usual and see it was there and do that any kind of with the letters to the editor but i want to ask you something else has also become more acceptable for people to express these types of opinion only if it's about immigrants or if it's about muslim americans if somebody wrote an op ad saying i think we should get rid of every skinny white guy that's angry at the government you know because timothy mcveigh was one of those and you could also say that they were in arizona i mean there's been no i mean they wouldn't i mean because buzz you see. our prayers are more for the experts and the famous people
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the politicians we will use. it's because of the internet the advent of blogs and social media were anything goes we were told in the ninety's in the early part of the twenty first century that the internet was going to transform us and it's really just basically crystallized our own prejudices but we still have the weird idea that you know just having just gone further discussions and even anonymous or troll comments on blogs and news sites that's great does the marker see what all of us done is bring a lot of lunatics out of the woodwork and that's trickled in the traditional media now t.v. clearly and newspapers and i think there is a responsibility to build a wall and enough of this stuff somebody's got to be the goal here. i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight like i said this one is causing a bit of controversy but you know it's got us talking about it but i do think that it's important to talk about the fact that americans some americans actually feel
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this way and you know how a sort of memories they can have you know how it's really dangerous and so i think some of these emotions that they have need to be confronted and put somewhere else thanks so much thank you. now ever since the alleged sexual assaults by i.m.f. chief dominique strauss kahn hit the news cycle it's been perhaps the most interesting to watch the reactions the differing coverage surrounding this story yesterday we expose you to the headlines from many european newspapers and makes it look like a big gem of women but it doesn't stop there a number of french officials and friends of strauss kahn have also made it out to be a victim of the american justice system elizabeth the girl the former justice minister said that she's happy that france doesn't have the same judicial system and considers images of strauss kahn had have to be brutal and violent eventually a french magistrate i'll sell them into the u.s. justice system doesn't distinguish between the director of the i.m.f. . and the other suspect the idea of equal rights he calls that while it may be true
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that we have no problem parading around officials or celebrities in handcuffs can anybody really argue that our justice system is equal earlier from our studio in los angeles i put up an experience those of young turks university and i first asked her what she thinks of those differing opinions and the coverage that we've seen of the story when we compare europe and the us. i mean the opinions are radically different in the us you see people that are you know not necessarily saying that he's already kilty but they're holding him more accountable and you know they're a little more skeptical about him whereas in france you know it's almost as if they immediately assume that he's innocent and this is a set up i don't want to dismiss any theories that it could possibly be a set up i know that he was really tough on banks you know he was planning on running for president in france and he definitely has some political coneheads that might set him up so i don't i don't want to dismiss that but you know i can definitely notice
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a difference between the two ways the countries are reporting the story completely different well you know everybody is innocent until proven guilty and they should be that way in this country but the whole blame the woman thing is just drive me crazy but anyway let's move on to the way that they view the justice part of it you know. in france according to some of these officials in the statements that they maybe just can't believe that somebody such a high ranking like nominee straus cala be paraded around in handcuffs for the media but i mean it really is that just an illusion or a real justice system in this country just because you see somebody who's a high profile case in hand does that mean that we're actually going to see a fair trial. i think that we still see a fair trial that's why prosecutors and defendants are very careful when it comes to jury selection the jury is not supposed to pay attention to the media that's very important and you know of course and i don't blame them french officials are
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concerned about the perp walks you know but you have to keep in mind that we don't intentionally do perp walks when suspects are being transported from one place to another of course the media is going to take their photos in handcuffs and then they're going to publish those photos officials in france right now are saying that that's wrong because it makes people automatically assume that the suspect is guilty i think that's a legitimate concern however i have a problem with censoring the media if the media takes those photos i think that they have the right to publish it and you know i think that the most important aspect of our justice system has to do with jury selection it has to do with the proceedings in court and i believe in our justice system now the one thing that officials in france brought up that i completely agree with is the new york daily news when the story first broke published and huge picture of dominic straus and right next to the picture it said herb. that i'm not ok with ok because that's are
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already making the assumption that he's guilty and i think that that's irresponsible of the part of the new york daily news but in terms of publishing photos of him in handcuffs he's a celebrity in a sense you know he's a huge public figure it's to be expected. i thought the earth thing was kind of funny i have to admit but i can see have a point there when it comes to a certain responsibility when it comes from journalists but if you think about it. is almost this is kind of a rarity that we see such a high profile figure like you said a celebrity we've seen paris hilton and lindsay lohan being paraded around in handcuffs so many times but just think about the fact that we haven't seen any wall street bankers been held accountable for their crimes we haven't seen anybody from the bush administration be held accountable for their crimes so you know do we also understand justice in a little bit of a different way are we more easily thrown into going after someone who's a celebrity rather than someone who is you know
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a politician who might have some kind of institutional protection. i think that it has to do with institutional protection and it also has to do with money and power now is the suspect has the money and is powerful of course they have an advantage over the middle class of the working class when it comes to criminal cases i mean tom an extra cause he's going to be able to afford the most expensive lawyers he's going to have a great defense team that's going to defend him in this trial in this case and the same could be said for celebrities like lindsey lowe had when it comes to wall street bankers i mean they've gotten away with some of the hated most heinous crimes in my opinion and the reason why is because of institutional protection but when it comes to people like the two of us you know what it comes to the middle class of the working class we don't have the power we were not elite enough to hire expensive attorneys and have the upper hand in the advantage in our justice system
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so i definitely think it's flawed in that aspect so why do you think the french officials would say that just because in this particular case they might be trying to defend dominic straus economy do they really look at the u.s. justice system as one that's equal for all of europe has actually led the way when it comes to prosecuting bankers compared to the united states. i didn't understand your question completely do i think that the french are looking at our justice system as a way that treats people equally as i think that's the claim that they're making right is that you would never see that in france that somebody of dominic strauss kahn stature would be put on trial in the same way that let's say a low level criminal with the but that's just not true and i think that we hear so many critiques from european countries often about that because europe has prosecuted more high level officials when it comes to bankers for the financial crisis than the united states has so do you think that there's a little. taher there or something they're just trying to gloss over when they make
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those kinds of statements. yeah i agree i agree with you when it comes to that i think that both justice systems definitely have their flaws and you know in the united states we have a huge issue with letting the elite get off scot free when they should be punished for their crimes and you know i think both justice systems definitely have their issues now one other thing that i do want to cover here is that obviously these stories dominique strauss kahn story and the story of arnold schwarzenegger's sex scandal which i don't really want to cover but they have been dominating news headlines in recent days if you think their media is irresponsible in the sense where they just a sex scandal something that's about infidelity with alleged sexual assault or an alleged attempted rape. i think so i think that those news stories are covered in a very similar way and i feel like a you know the media looks at it as something that's salacious rather than something that's criminal and i'm talking about dominique strauss kahn you know
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with our of sorts a nigger that was his personal life that's something that he did before he was elected as governor and you know as salacious is that story is i personally i don't really care and i don't feel like it's any of my business ok but when it comes to dominique strauss kahn i've noticed that the media in the us covers the story in a very similar way and i think that that's a little unfair this is a very serious case these are heavy charges you know charges of rape should not be taken lightly and you know just going back to that new york daily news cover let her view even not only makes him look guilty before he's gone through a trial but it also kind of makes it look like a joke you know so i definitely think there's a irresponsibility in the us media yeah i guess being a perv and sexually or allegedly sexually assaulting someone are quite different things and i thank you so much for joining us tonight. thank you. well still to
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come tonight you know whole scandal surrounding the catholic church how a group of bishops claim that one stock is to blame for the sexual abuse crisis without details on that and its tool time segment and in the senate voted to end oil subsidies and they failed last night but let's take a look at the bigger picture here will ending subsidies are really takes all of our country's oil troubles we'll speak with david roberts when we return. we. will be. safe to. freedom.
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