i think in the world. of self-sacrifice and terrorism with those who understand it fully you have to live a. real life stories from. nineteen forty five don't call. it with r.t. that's how the the main headlines now the u.s. and israel fall out of a part of starters prime minister benjamin netanyahu jaxa president obama's peace to the middle east washington is pushing for an independent palestinian state once i return to pre nine hundred sixty seven borders something israel refuses to consider. illegal bombs the white house sidelines the us constitution by skipping the deadline to keep its forces in action over the counter approval from

congress but there has been next to no criticism on capitol hill as a costly intervention moves into its third month. plus the end is not only according to wonder description america they say they're preparing to meet their maker this saturday which they've calculated to be judgement day. the turmoil in the arab world has prompted some european states to impose but restrictions to keep out refugees fleeing the violence next on the gulf in the spotlight asks the secretary general of the council of europe and freedom of travel within europe it could become a thing of the past. hello again or welcome to spotlight the interview show put on c m how then are they and

today my guest is sort of beyond just popular uprisings in the arab world led to bloody conflicts some of which are still going on the fourth humanitarian situation in the region forced thousands of people to flee their homes and sail overseas to the safe and happy europe but the old world was not a theft the problem has scared the europeans so much that some governments have restricted the border control end up thinking even suspending shan't get agreement basic for the e.u. are we witnessing the end of the united europe and if not how is the old world going to respond to the challenge here's the general of the council of europe coming out of the other. two months ago several european countries and the u.s. started bombing the gadhafi loyalists in libya today the old world is feeling the kickback from the operation as thousands of refugees are coming to the continent

every day from libya and other arab countries several states like denmark and belgium have already introduced strict control measures on their borders others proposed to leave the shang get agreement which allows the free travel inside the unites europe and is the cornerstone of the. thank you very much for coming thank you for being here i've been here every day with your yes and it's a real pleasure to be well first of all speaking about the big problem that we. having europe especially in sad in europe today if the unrest on the other side of the mediterranean continues all the european country ready to absorb immigrants or will additional restrictions we use just well i would say that for the common being

if you are not prepared. because there is no real burden sharing within the same unit area. also. the ability to recede people from facilities and people. to be trained to receive people in a proper way are not sufficiently in place so there will be a very big challenge you can see it already. people are coming around that some countries have started to close their borders yes we are seeing it and we also are getting reports that the delhi government is introducing border controls inside the shell game in france is also considering this possibility is there a serious risk that there may and no war. open borders in europe that we have ac yes there is a serious risk but we have to. take into account the

fact that there are two different danger our government is arguing for closing or making restrictions on the border because of the flow of. criminals. and that is something different than what we're operating on namely the problem of salem seacrest so we have two problems i think with the open borders one is international crime we have had for a very long time and of course the pressure on the borders from. inside of europe should the europeans troy to do something to fight the course tried to to convince them of gradients the state to stay in their home as the stay stay there africa rather than seek asylum in europe when is it possible to convince them i

don't think it's possible to convince people but both because i do is to help you through concrete to overcome all the problems the internal problems have some economic and social development more people want to stay in this congress but that is a much more long term project so you cannot say to people that wants to leave i don't have a job don't have sufficient food or. opportunity for their own children they should stay where they are and not leave the country well the recent influx of immigrants into countries like italy and france has prompted calls for their re-instatement of internal border controls within the european union spotlessly energy me that has worried that. the tiny tell an island of lampedusa has been swept with waves of little immigration resembling a human tsunami situated between north africa and southern europe the island this

is is this the nation for the sprint to lesions and libyans trying to skate on rest in their homeland to cope with the influx of migrants eataly handed out residents visas and i won them to travel in the european union after france noticed more and more refugees headed in its direction in blocked on train services from italy and these at the european parliament of knowledge agree on how to control immigration through each member state put in its interests first and when a charter for the problem in while migrants have been getting passed from one state to another the whole situation eventually led to the leaders of france and italy finally joined. proposal to the european commission in which the urged and modernization of the shenyang agreement denmark decided not to wait and we introduced border controls for i think you members some other european countries have sentiments contained in these if the regime travel and question.

well. eventually these restrictions you may you may tighten the the border control but what from the humanitarian point of view and europe is a very humanitarian a reentered place in the world what should we do to people that have crossed the sea on a small that the people who are desperate the people who may die people with children in that that have left behind all their belongings what are we going to do today to turn the bad so that. they don't get a lot of i think this is the crucial issue for europe because now we are telling these countries that they should develop democracy and. democratic institutions so what are we how to do is to deal with these people to handle these people in human mystic way that is a concern for you come to europe that is. that is the guardian of the human rights

convention european human rights convention we have to see it with these people that are calming is being created in accordance with the. principles of the european commission on human rights so therefore we have made guidelines for the forty seven governments on how they are going should deal with these people and also we are to train training. that take care of these people when they are coming to the borders in compliance and we do european convention well as they say a lot depends of the on the point of view. example. the council of europe has has started an inquiry is called for an inquiry into the death of sixty one of those people and you say it was the fault of the of the military rescue units that they were able to save them but don't they have them and there are reports that

this this illegal immigration really good immigration becomes a business and therefore so so shouldn't we try to to all this pressure on those who are organizing this illegal business absolutely absolutely you should do that and you should have more cooperation between. european states and also. those states. that are hosting that kind of people you know neighborhood so the sort of course but having said this we have to take care of and protect people where do they are sort of they recruit recruited by. by people. that are. making commercials are told this all the whatever whatever people say whatever people feel towards towards them and see even if they sympathize then they vote for their governments first of all in order for those

killings to protect their own citizens so do you think that if the governments will continue putting the rights and the interests of the realm said is in front of everything else i'm a this continuing unrest and twenty immigration lead to. a worsening of relations in general between the european countries and the arab north african countries are there signs that they may be problems it may be problems of course you can see already that all european continent. immigration is causing a lot of political moral and. that is why we have to handle this in a careful way and that is why also we have to put much more emphasis on assisting these contests in order to go forward and to set up

a democratic institutions to have economic they will develop and because that is the root cause and unfortunately the european court of congress as well as the united states have not been able to see what was coming we thought that these were stable countries but. at the end of the day all this corruption and mismanagement in these countries created for so much of frustration though to reveal these revolutions you said recently i quote we began working with attorneys see in officials and the venous commission made the devices are new laws organizing elections and preparing a constitution in tunisia then to quote what role can the council of europe play in the reforms in those countries that are not council of europe members first of all if you want to establish a democracy you need laws that can safeguard free and clear elections then you need

a call to the set subsects and balances between different institutions we have excellent worldwide recognized expert police that can assist these companies in doing so and that is why we have all deployed to venice commission in tunisia which is being used all over the world for that kind of law making and writing or constitutions so this is a starting point for any democratic development also social and economic development. and then we have a lot of conventions that are opened for non comms for your members which could be very important for them to join. the cold metal pipeline corruption which is a huge problem in pinochet as well as in egypt but in all these conference. so we have instruments that can be helpful for these countries in order to develop. their

economy on the social structures says yaverland the secretary general of the council get spotlight will get up shortly after the break so stay with us we'll continue the interview in a letter from. place to. place . repairing a broken nation. highway construction and humanitarian aid. buses shady officials look at the spoils of war it's the people who pay the price.

profiteering here is no longer just down to drug trafficking. afghanistan. hungry for the. we've got it's. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers on. players. playing. welcome back to spotlight our in auburn just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is beyond the yard land secretary general of the council of europe we are talking about the situation in europe the situation in northern africa it will ations between between the two parts of the world can be endangered if the if the unrest continues and america is right there's

just mentioned there there were rumors by the way i said that those countries are not counsel of your numbers and you're trying to influence them but there were rumors that countries like to nature for example may soon become members of your organization other grounds for such rumors or is just like they were jacked or not i don't think they do because members they have. become party to some of or very important interests actually they are already a member of the venice commission which is see giving advise not only to come to europe member states but. to congress all over the world on the law making writing or constitution so they are already a member there they can join some of our important conventions model happily and future i cannot say we haven't discussed to get in the member countries that our side what we had before and as europe via graphical terms till

now. there's been lots of talk and there are people trying to understand why and homes fault is that what's to blame that that the muslims experience difficulties in becoming integrated into the european society. why is there more misunderstanding between between europeans and the muslims than with any of that group of people. i think it has to do with the fact that we we are not used to deal with. the diversity. we have always been a continent of diversity actually but. when the muslims came we were in all the time elior with these people. there you know i was thinking how does a religion it has to be a little do with tradition history the way they are living fifty is quite different

from how we are living. i think also that the terrorism that we have seen which is not scares people away as this case in which is not a link that you slung of course some of these terrorists claim that they're acting in the name of islam you're scaring people a lot. so this is changing people's minds and. i think it has to do with political leadership and also that we need to change all minds are hard to deal with the people are people so it doesn't change you yes you think you think that muslims should become more integrated yes absolutely you shine more accepted you should more well you said mention political leadership this is right for example mr serapis z. is pretty radical yes in this in this respect and this may be a reflection of how of the what the society thinks in france what's your opinion

what's your reaction to the complete ban on the veil in france is that like. restriction of freedom or is that. defense of european values and traditions. this is. something. with their tradition. but i would note i'm coming from scandinavia we have have a much more pragmatic approach if. because we're going to come with a real threat to the society i would say that we should have a law against it but it is not a big problem in society i would be i'm living in france i never see any woman in so why should we have a law against it. but france has a different tradition on this so all well i can see it up to is threatening

human rights but i would say that the fact that many women are forced to wear a burka is a problem it's very difficult to make laws against such things. we're talking about a symbol it's a purely symbolic thing the burka the burning of the book like the qur'an the things that these are symbols they don't mean anything for for real life for example if an american priest burned a book it is nothing to do with life. on the other side of the globe this is in the point an important symbol and i think that today this this competition between between the east and the west the muslims and the christians is all about those simple symbolic acts how important are they the bull the qur'an the flag what were the the the the moon was shouting in the early in the morning here in the loudspeakers. i would say that it gives

a very important we see how important a culture you have to respect to the fact that really true peace are very important for many people and we have to respect it. even if it's so loud here even if it's a mall ides five o'clock in the morning. in your neighborhood years i think so but . i don't think i should impose this on us. that's something different and i don't think we should burn books and all that kind of things because it is insulting and we know are going to cause a lot of. work when prostration. in many circles of the world so why should we do it i mean we should say to people be it yes you have the freedom of expression you can say what you want you can make. cartoons where you can burn a book you have the right to do it but why should you do it it's not an obligation

but the youth phasey are you trying to be tolerant in europe don't you think zero tolerance for from from the other side from you draw a cartoon you probably should. and as a reaction people die people are killed you burn a book and other people die well a book burned in america isn't worth killing people you know running this is zero tolerance if if europe will be tolerant facing zero tolerance this means you europe's culture is due to years. against course why should it be a book and why should be. people because because bird. this is the extremism understood tried to say to people that priests now think about all those things i think all these symbols that are coming up in the political debate is also used by extreme political forces and i think it is also filling

a gap. because. i mean in. the center oriented politicians the many have failed to do the right things with unemployment. and guiding the economy and all this. and therefore. all the forces are killing this political crap with symbols. and since we've heard nearly here a girl there's one more talkin about the complete failure of multiculturalism in europe. the agree that it is failing that it's falling apart or you think it is it does still have a future i don't think it has failed but there are so many different missions or what is multiculturalism i'm talking about diversity we have always had the grass of people with respect to relieve ethnic background and all this in europe we are becoming more and more diverse so we should for instance through today most

countries are respecting the rights of. homosexuals and lesbians which is a new it's not a new parliament but the fact that we recognize that it's. symbolizes development in normal society be becoming more and more diverse and we have to respect it and we cannot you have a video so when for instance the president sarkozy said this about what i can understand because he also added. medical did it also that. we should not a log. to develop that light we are we should not have parallel societies we in the societies that develop their all new laws. because everybody should have something in. the same basis the same laws but not only in the

political political sphere i mean i mean on the summit level but on the grounds roots level we are witnessing today the rise of some this probably far right parties enough for a big point is. extreme part of the point is this is that mean that the whole european project is risky. it has been not only at risk. to save fall apart. earlier. here's a clue because we have an operable to do literally diversity so we are not able to live with diverse and then risk respect then. the whole project is a risk that is why i think we should now pay much more intent tension to what is holding us together to lead to people what are the common european standards

their values are for all these are rights and obligations and that these rights and obligations are actually in triumph in the european convention on human rights and this is the wide salvi important to to strengthen the whole human rights system that we have in europe which i am representing and another question i want to ask you since we still have a couple minutes of the show one of the main. problems that you're working on today is the reform are the court in strasbourg and it's going to concern russia to you can you can you comment and you know what's going to be forgotten here on our part to put to good new contacts that they don't talk about because this court is actually representing the common values that you have on the court on the continent and that is why it's so important to strengthen them and that is why it's all been poured in to reform the court so that you can do is stop. the fact is that. we have one hundred and fifty thousand cases pending in the court so we have to make the

court more efficient probably progression to yes yes that's right and that is why you have to make proceedings in the court where you question and that is why we also need to pay much more attention to health because you mentioned and some others. reported to do dishes yeah fight against corruption saw that all these applications can be picked in clear all the mess to clean and not coming to court in strasbourg so so i mean very dark. two lines of reform say that one it is in the eye misstates one is in the quote thank you thank you very much for being with us in just three minds after that sid a my guest was probably on yahoo the secretary general of the council of europe and the from now through all of us to bash with more than from the comments on the most militant in and outside russia until then stay on target see and take their take.