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welcome to the lower show we'll get the real headlines with none of them or say are coming live to washington d.c. now if they want to do prisons get better funding than public schools or tell you how michigan decides where their money goes and if they've got their priorities all wrong and a swat raid gone wrong leaves a former marine that was sixty bullets in his chest and i will show you the just released a video of this botched raid and will determine why events like this never get the media attention that they deserve and next is ignorance bliss well that might be
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the case with the growing wealth gap in the united states and i will find out why most people think of the wealth disparity doesn't affect them and if this trend continues what's america going to look like twenty years from now and is college worth it with chronic unemployment numbers and more college graduates stuck with piles of debt ready are looking for other non collegiate options so tell you about one man's plan to fund a college dropouts and help them strive to succeed all that's an eye on our friday edition of happy hour but for now let's move on to our top story. education spending is being slashed across the country right now for the high number of states they think budget shortfalls governors of decided that it's better to cut from schools than to raise taxes the state of michigan particularly just saw it said it passed a bill that cuts four hundred and seventy dollars per student in schools in grades k. through twelve so what are schools to do well once superintendent has an idea turn them into prisons and a letter to the editor of
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a local paper nathan booth laid out a staggering juxtaposition of the state of michigan spends annually somewhere between thirty thousand and forty thousand per prisoner that they're struggling to provide schools with seven thousand dollars per student so why is that the case joining me to discuss this is nathan superintendent for it become if you can public schools they can thank you so much for joining us tonight now you're getting some attention obviously with this letter and clearly i don't think you really want to turn public schools in michigan into prisons but why did you decide to write this letter that way it was an easy wage for people to understand how much a student gets over from the state government and another area of the state government is our corrections system and right now we currently receive for this school year seven thousand three hundred sixty dollars but the costs are talking about a drop my district closer to six hundred dollars less per student on this in so i want to draw just little bit of attention to my local public and that's when i
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started with a letter to the editor twenty local newspaper and then i followed it up with letters to thirteen legislators as well as my governor and to this date i haven't had a response from anyone either written or phone but it's been one of those items is drawn a lot of attention. well there by dry a lot of attention i'm surprised actually of the governor hasn't yet responded to what he had to say but you mentioned that prisoners versus students receive health care that they get a gym that they get three meals a day are you implying that prisoners are treated too well in this country or has tried to point out how poorly students are treated. i really believe that prisoners have some probably unnecessary perch at this point i have a lot of parents who are corrections officers and i father in law works in the apartment of corrections and it runs pretty consistent saying prisoners get a little bit too much it's a little to rosie for him and i know that when you're talking about funding and education were the rules he never comes up it's always tough it's cut this cut that
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out and i'm in a school district right now that do i have to consider cutting transportation you have to consider cutting things and cutting sports i can't fit my computer labs of new computers are seven years old if you really want michigan to move forward if i need to reinvent michigan and reimagine how we educate kids how can i really do that with less and less fun and we've been doing that funny cut thing for the last five to seven years do you think that perhaps michigan just has its priorities wrong and ali are they not investing in their schools but if they are this is something of happening across the country california is a perfect example of prisons that are simply overcrowded of laws that are too tough you know a lot of people profiting off of the prison industry and maybe that's why the problems there i think michigan has their their heart and rights the right place but i do know that i think we probably incarcerate too many people or keep them for too long there's other states in the great lakes region they can take care of
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prison for less money you know everyone hears about the arizona and i'll fade out there with the prisoners sleep in tents and eat baloney sandwiches you know what i'm talking about cut and basic programs for education. i automatically think how can we do actions better how can we do my education better we try to streamline as much as we do in michigan and michigan is in a tough spot but we're on the upswing right now things are getting better in michigan and the governor and i i think we just disagree on how to get there was that they do think that you said the michigan probably has its heart in the right place is the governor the one with his heart in the wrong place that he thinks that perhaps taxes for businesses should not be raised but schools should because. i don't think the governor has his heart in the wrong place and i think he wants what's best for kids but we just definitely disagree and how we're going to get there and i know he's real big on business taxes and making it better for businesses because in the long run he's trying to predict that if we lower business
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taxes that businesses will come to michigan and then you know looking two three four years down the road those businesses come back jobs come back when jobs come back people come back people come back their parents they bring kids of them and i think that's how he sees it happening and maybe he's right but in the meantime is it necessary for us to take such a huge whack of education a mission apartment an affirmation apartment of what the governor has said and a couple of statements that we're looking for shared sacrifice why would we want to sacrifice kids' education i think about a very good question and you say that perhaps what he wants to do is he wants to bring our families more businesses there but more families they bring to schools that are inadequately prepared to take on more students or to really give them a proper education but to be a problem i'm just curious are other people in your community as you know outraged or upset about this as you are. since this letter has gone out
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a couple weeks ago actually and i afford it to a couple other different newspapers and then some people have gotten it to facebook sites i've heard from over twenty different states now and over three hundred e-mails in the last seventy two hours and i've had maybe two or three people total that are don't want to make a point about how this really isn't you know valid or the truth ninety eight ninety nine percent of the people that you know you had there's no read on had mr gooch thank you very much for for pointing out this kind of a discrepancy we need to focus more on education we need to put more money into education and people have been very responsive we struck a chord the thing is unfortunately as we've we've seen a lot of republican governors come into office since last november's elections and these people were voted in americans are strict cuts and i think that now unfortunately they're seeing you know some of the consequences of what it was that they asked for in that sense but also that's what the g.o.p. has decided to make
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a priority when it comes to those cuts mate but i want to thank you very much for joining us and do let us know if the governor decided to finally get back to you on that one. you'll be the first to know thanks. also to come tonight shot sixty times during a drug raid tonight or not a video of the shooting is released as police try to convince the public at their shooting of the former marine was justified because bradley balko same senior writer for the huffington post about this break on wrong and also had a look at well disparities here in the u.s. because the american public realize how far apart the crosses really are in this country who got into the last. week in the park. and.
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we haven't got the. safe get ready because the freedom. i guys welcome michel ancel on the obama show we've heard our guests have to say on the topic now i want to hear audio just go out and you seem to video responses on to twitter first one of the questions a police host on you tube every monday and on thursday to show its long responses we.
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you know sometimes you see the story and. you think you understand it and then you get something else here's the part of it and realize that everything you say. you've been watching the mainstream news at all lately you've seen nonstop coverage of the casey anthony story. the defense is saying this was a murder this was an accident that killed drowned in the family's swimming pool did this surprise you would all of the judge reading that indictment she would look dalan at her computer look down at the desk finally cry in front of the jury and
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throughout jury selection today she would very rarely meet the jurors gaze i like. riveting testimony of day four of the casey anthony murder trial here we are as we try to find justice somewhere for this little girl. the riveting and sickening story of a mother who allegedly killed her own child is there a reason that it's headline news all day on all channels there's a something greater about a societal problem i'll tell you what story my case of jose graner had to tour former marine who was killed by a swat team carrying out a raid in pima county arizona the police released over seventy rounds in a matter of about seven seconds at least sixty of those hitting arena and while he bled to death the police wouldn't allow paramedics to access him inside the house and at the end of it no drugs nothing illegal was found just weapons and armor that a former marine may legally possess as well as
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a border patrol baseball hat and the police try to claim or the law enforcement uniform of the story we began covering here on the alert to show weeks ago but now more details have emerged including a video released by the department of police. this unfortunately is a scene that we see or read about far too often raids gone wrong turning violent innocent men and women killed but they rarely make the news like the casey anthony's of the world to you so joining me to discuss why that is is radley balko senior writer for the huffington post bradley always great to have you on the show now you've been covering the story pretty extensively and the story itself has changed very time surprise surprise can you walk us through some of the inconsistency. chair. in a county sheriff's department originally said that mr crane ahead fired at them
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they later changed that story to say that actually i don't we had not fired but his rifle was the safety was still engaged after he was shot they're now saying this was originally an american marijuana investigation now they're saying it was part of a home an investigation into a home invasion ring and they're saying that you know he was a potentially very dangerous person that he was committing possibly committing armed robberies actually saying that he was linked to a chain of armed robberies. last night and they did a big document dump the sheriff's department did and you know we found basically that some of his relatives may have been involved in some of some of the sex a pretty good so far there's no evidence still no evidence that if he runs the thing is that the sheriff's department has even scolded the needy have for criticizing this story for criticizing the fact that the information keeps changing and forth questioning whether the raid really was conducted illegally is that something that you know that we see often is that
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a trend when you cover these cases yeah it's typical i mean what do you do is when when people start asking questions about one of these rates mr pointing out it persistence and you send the story i do a couple things first they go into kind of a bunker mentality and start cutting off information for this case they're sealed the search warrants and the police that were absolutely and then they also do kind of a leaking syrup campaign against the person who was killed in the region and we've seen it with in this case with with mr graner who you know have had no prior criminal record or nothing legals and. you know i mean even if even if he was part of his home in beijing i mean this was a really sloppy careless unprofessional rate of new can look at the video i'm actually talked to some former military people who carry carry out these raids and train people to carry them out in iraq in afghanistan over the last twenty four hours or so and i'm told. i mean we show we can work ration and way more
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consideration for the possibility of innocence in these buildings will be carried out raids on a perhaps a few you know and these are u.s. citizens who since we have constitutional rights people the military you seem to use rates video is very are sort of standard by what this one said it was sort of like a keystone kops looking scenario with a you know it would be funny if it were fact that it was not actually guidance why propriety and so bizarre as you can say that easily the police often just release their side of the story or the little bit of information that make them look good i wouldn't say that this video makes them look good why do you think they decided to put it out there. i think they think it makes them look i mean there is a siren it goes off for about eight seconds and you see them actually not going announce themselves but generally if you watch that video and put yourself in mr graner shoes and imagine you're asleep or working a graveyard shift and ask yourself you know if you're behind a couple what walls or you know a couple or separate us police officers so ask yourself it would you have known
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that these were cops outside of your home or what you have thought there are people there to do your harm do you harm i mean if you think about it i mean they unleashed seventy rounds into a home where there was a four year old child inside which they didn't know about which says a little bit more about their investigation i think we also now know that they raided broke into a house across the street afterward because because all the holes in the side of that house which of course were from their own guns their own bullets i'm worried that if it's somebody in a house with only a great can do it out of the house and storm that house you know what if somebody could be in that house with a gun as well i mean it was it is so incredibly sloppy and be interesting i mean this is a tiny neighborhood it's a close houses are close together i mean this was wrong on so many different levels even if kareena was the suspected criminal to make about that we're not yet convinced that he lives and you know it's a grave offense either way this is the death of an american citizen at the hands of authorities and you want to talk about this all the time that's definitely isn't an
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isolated incident the house down this doesn't get the media coverage that say the casey anthony trial that's where the media feels the need to cover it twenty four hours a day nonstop update you on every move that she may think she's inside of the courtroom . you know i don't know i mean i think part of it is kind of deference to to to law enforcement deference to government on the media by the media i think there's a presidency has for question the police a lot of times you know you're dealing with somebody who the police are saying as a suspected criminal so there's not the sort of natural sympathy that people might have that they would have for a child and also you know me just again. church promised back information so you know the story here right now is how little information there is which you know doesn't make for good television. but if we're talking about what makes good television i want to be honest what do you think do you think that his story is even getting more attention than it normally would because he is a former marine because he's a veteran who served two tours i mean how often do these stories go completely on
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report and you know how often do we see let's say that if there was a black woman killed somewhere or a black woman that killed her daughter probably wouldn't be getting the same type of. you know the attention that the case of casey anthony is because she's an attractive white woman. yeah i mean i think there's definitely some you know i mean when strike out will be you know white ochre middle class me or a child in maryland was wrongly read it made international news pretty much overnight but also i mean when catherine johnson and the ninety two year old grandmother in atlanta was killed on a park street that made national news you know pretty quickly but i don't know i think you're right i mean there is something about the boots in the news where it's a different city a young single black male people are less ready to believe that you know this isn't really true or that the person is innocent that we're all rather i want to thank you very much for joining us and filling us in on this story and the details are still slowly coming out although as we know those affidavits the search warrants
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are still sealed and we'll see if we get any transparency in that case that our thanks so much so thanks for your coverage of this report. now it's no secret of the gap between the upper and lower classes is growing as the gap continues to expand and many don't seem to think about statistics or facts that why is that wells artie's christine for as our reports most people in the upper and lower classes aren't even aware of where they stand. you could say it's a typical afternoon the sun is shining and people are out shopping across town the same thing only here those who live in the area describe it like this i think it's one of the chew or three neighborhoods in washington that really still functions as a village it's like a village in washington i think it's a paradise actually. paradise not a word you'd likely hear spoken about this part of town from. the
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jets where the straight from southeast goeth a few miles and worlds away there are instead other ways of describing life so greedy but guess what we do we live it just the organ a less musical version like this everybody is striving for jobs and what we found to be surprising is when we ask people what class they see themselves and we got very similar answers of here in this neighborhood in found peace washington d.c. the median income is twenty nine thousand dollars and housing looks like this. and here in this neighborhood georgetown in northwest washington d.c. the houses look like this and the median income is nearly one hundred forty thousand dollars a year and you can call it or better in the middle class live around this area i think there are a lot of the i.r.s. in our current president might think we're filthy rich but you know i don't think
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we're like absolutely consider myself with this absolutely do you think this is a lower class neighborhood upper class neighborhood or a middle class neighborhood this is a middle class neighborhood to me we're right in the middle economists like gary burtless isn't surprised i can tell you what people thought about five years ago i think over eighty five percent of americans thought they were in the middle class. a recent study found that americans believe the richest twenty percent only hold about fifty nine percent of the wealth the actual number eighty four percent but ideally they said the breakdown should be much more equal clearly it's not america was a country that sort of stood stayed together historically with great unity on the glue that we all figured if we work hard we played by the rules we do better than our parents or they would do better than their parents and our kids would do better than us economists say that is no longer the case in the united states and that we've gone from being one of the most unfriendly mobile countries in the developing
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world to the least a trend the change course in the one nine hundred seventy s. perhaps one reason can be seen here take a look at this the blue line shows how much the pay of c.e.o.'s has gone up since the ninety's that yellow line at the bottom well that's the pay of minimum wage workers and it has gone down nobel prize winning economist joseph stiglitz says the increase in concentration of wealth has been enormous would happen in the last couple decades is twenty for almost a quarter of all the income goes to the upper one percent around forty percent many are you measure it or the wealth goes to the upper one percent it's a reality that doesn't seem to trickle down to those in the lower tiers and terms of class i think everybody with the economic situation that we're in is probably in the clatter and are nobody's above and nobody's below in washington christine for
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sound our team. studies which show that americans are large think about the true disparities of wealth in this country so when we say that i mean that ignorance is bliss or has the full effect of a shrinking middle class and underemployed population college graduates with no career opportunities none of that yet what is america going to look like twenty thirty years from now if these trends continue to discuss this with me and said you're lying reporter and blogger for think progress dot org and the progress report that thanks so much for joining us tonight now we talked about income inequality we look at see plays that rise but if we really talk about the larger wealth gap in america when you talk about a person's wealth it's not just income what else factors into that salute their number of other things you have to factor into your calculations i mean one is sort of the assets of your home will be a lot of people or their homes and their mortgages are underwater right now a lot of people are in debt you know the average student this country now with something like twenty thousand dollars in debt and that debt actually counts
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towards your assets so what you're talking about is you know huge number of americans who every year actually have you know i negative net worth you know at the same time where a lot of rich people actually have most of their money not necessarily and their income but rather in their savings in different investments you know different sort of financial schemes it is tremendous and really what you get even more casts catastrophic situation we talk about those things then because honestly right now we don't really tax your wealth there's plenty of ways to hide it well but there is a you know as many ways to hide your income so what does that mean that when you're actually has negative wealth. what it means is you actually own more money than you can say that you have to redeem you know for example if you're behind on your payments or you have tens of thousands of dollars of student debt or you're behind on you know car loans or various sorts of debt or medical debt i mean there's a million families every year people know there's a million families every year who declare bankruptcy because they can't afford their medical bills and about three fourths of those are people with insurance or
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people who work hard who are who had jobs or head injuries but it just wasn't adequate enough to actually take care of their medical problems but the thing is i think a lot of americans probably won't look at it that way right they think oh credit card that everybody has credit card debt student loan debt everybody has student loan debt this year and they don't think that it's a big deal but you know in comparison like we said to the most of the richest americans there is a huge huge difference there's a how come we just don't know it well i think one thing that we've seen the last thirty five years that we as we've had more right wing policies in our government and you know in our politics it's sort of that we've been and undated with this sort of rhetoric this is what everyone's middle class you know it's really galatea rhetoric but it's not talking about egalitarianism to ation and i think one of the most harmful effects of that is if you want thinking about class they're not seriously thinking about you know how am i doing in relation to the guy up there and in my any way fair share for how hard i work because you know part of t.v. has continued to go up every year in this country and so is the economic growth but real wages which is sort of the wages accounted for after inflation for most
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americans are actually flat lined for about thirty years so really most of us aren't getting help we should be and i guess you could think about you certain things that would make you have the perception that you are just like everyone else i can have an i phone i can i mean i pad if mark zuckerberg has an i phone an i pad that he and i must at some way be equal right i mean to all of these easy go get you know technologies that you can easily purchase that's a best buy kind of try to blur the lines there and i think that's absolutely true we are slightly more class conscious idea i think one of the major ways that we sort of measure people's collective walk was to look at early and so the. lou and a lot of land you have big families who own huge houses i mean we knew they were the rich people and we knew that those of us you know living in small flies working in the factory were the guys getting the short shrift i mean now it's very easy to hide it because everyone says well you can't you know you have the internet you have a high definition television you know you're fine you're getting a big piece of the fiber all the stats show that actually people are working harder but not getting more money so now we have these republican politics that are coming in telling us that we're all middle class we can all get along but if you look at
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recent studies specially ones that came out this year and people look at a chart when it comes to wealth disparities in countries and income equality then they picked sweden because that one looked really really fun to do you think that americans would be willing to actually pay higher taxes to to really live that type of life well i think this is how it is with americans i think americans do want progressive goals they would do want to more fair and just society and one where people who work hard to rewarded for it i mean i think a lot of the ways to get there are often demonized you know in popular culture by you know rightly politicians and i hope that people can see through that i mean a lot of people don't know this but biologically and you're logically the way the human brain looks at things that are unfair the same way that you respond right and me you know human beings are hard wired towards fears of people know the situation is not fair which is that we have start organizing and sort of you know agitating for the way that will get us there you know one way by the way would be to expand you numbers that are immediate membership in the sort of middle of the century where income any inequality was the lowest was about one in every three americans
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was that it was a you know it's less than ten percent but do you think we should rub it in people's faces or is ignorance bliss you know i mean like twenty thirty years down the line what's america going to look like or you have to start telling kids look son your life is going to be as nice as it was growing up well look i think it's great to tell a good story about america but i think the best way to tell that story is that it's true. all right i guess that's all that we have to say about that i mean i think that a lot of kids are going to have a bit of a wake of color especially seeing that with the generation that's graduating from school right now hopefully you know maybe. a few years down the line it will stabilize a little bit that thanks so much for joining us thank you. are we taking a break brad still to come on tonight's show they call the plan to replace medicare right wing social engineering now that candidate for president is begging for money to help scrap medicare will have more on that in our total time taken this evening and that was is everyone cut out for college do you really need a four year degree to be successful in life but that.
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