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helicopters amid concerns the move clue to nato casualties the international communities where even escalating the conflict and calls from the g. eight nations for gadhafi to stand down and diplomatic efforts from russia and south africa underwent. panic but washington wants to send texts warning people of possible extreme weather and terror attacks a move some analysts say will make the population more fearful instead of more and form a chip will be placed on every u.s. cell phone meaning all users will get the alerts whether they want them or not and . coming up after a calamitous fire as. the head of greenpeace russia's forest department one of the country's really ready for another burning challenge spotlight coming your way.

well to. bring you the latest in science stem cell knowledge from around the world . we've got the future covered. hello again to watch them to spotlight the interview show on our face i'm al real and today my guest is alex see here show. last year their record drought unseen wildfires to rush flames destroyed what villages and killed dozens of people three weeks in august moscow and many other cities were covered with pick some up the press and public blamed the conditions on the state's forest problems so will russia get a breath of fresh air this year here's the head of the greenpeace russia part of

the talk went. to the wildfires of last summer destroyed almost two million acas of forest and two and a half thousand homes in russia the government was forced to spend more than five hundred million dollars to stink wires and build new houses after the fall comes down officials say they learned the lessons and it would not happen again the summer has not yet begun and forests and so far east are already growing. thank you very much for being with us thanks welcome to the show well first of all as early as last spring two thousand and ten green things predicted that the the the world forest in two thousand. seven may be as strong as devastating as a year ago what was that prediction based on actually we predicted the large forest fires in two thousand and six already with the in coming years we will have

a lot of forest fires so what do you base the greens from the new forest biggest lease from the. abolished the forest guards about a hundred thousand people who were responsible for thought of. vermont burned there were. seventy. thousand people who were responsible for projectile or parts of the forests in the name of these people were listening. and now they are bullish foresters among foreigners thirty is the. it's the specialist for some professional education usually higher education but listening is for his guard specifically for his guard this these people were here in russia about three hundred years ago and survived until for thousands there one. no such person

as a for our existence here is exactly a profession doesn't exist in russia we hear about sixteen thousand people who are responsible to some extent for forest protection for gardening but these people are mostly. office people who work for you ok so so no they know this new forest co the new legislation was adopted in russia in two thousand and six you said yes so you said that it abolished some profession it abolished some some services this is. concerning the care first this country good what other results of this new legislation was it all negative what was there something something optimistic about this code. there. does not think of committee kobold this they scored only two thousand and six in for this was a really clear position of forest professional and environmental professionals who said it is not possible to adopt this forest called it not only

a bullish for the guards it's also a dissertation when the forest management. is the broadest measure of companies they have no ways to be canonically why a bowl they cannot survive. more than two hundred thousand people waiting for state forest management system in russia before the new forest leaves leeson and while we're here we're told if two thousand people including those sixteen thousand or responsible for. someone least of these things so if there is nothing a person is to can also does that mean that the people who adopted this legislation the people who were dead knew for its battle to go and things are anti forests that they wanted to cause harm to russian forest central to draw russian economy to

russian virus is that so what were they wanted to do something good but just didn't succeed it was a mistake or was it on purpose how did happen this is still discussed among foresters than biologists who want to work towards it on board was all of this was the only use the my personal opinion is that it was rather a mistake then quote worse people who are made for this new forest called they were too far from forest too far from reality they only thought that if we will make very very simple rules. then it will be perfect for for everybody but these rules were not really very far from being professional world there was this disaster last year when people well people were suffocating in cities like moscow for example. well i was lucky to take my family way from the city where but my family the rest of their father stayed here in moscow there i mean i mean there's no we thought we're going to die well there's still deficit of air

conditioning and things like there could be beauty people want to put them everywhere they can in the country houses and in every room of their apartment well the government said it was a mistake so do you think that something is the mistakes will not be repeated this year the government says yes but what do you say i think that separation became wards of the that was one year ago here. you really remember this we. will never want to me but as usual so this is what we have no. government decided that we. have to reestablish. and formally on the this so the new version of what is called the force changed in december last year says that there are some people who are responsible for for his garden what he actually these are people who perceive sixteen thousand people who

are responsible for many many other things mostly for people making very important and so on so they have no time pulling some sort of garden work so he actually there are no people no new people in forest here before a secret so there's nobody actually in the field over there are they in their words practically nobody hears and there are a few people when they're in the water and they feel it was the tourists. making fires and. making for ascent also. product is the started may be fifteen or twenty years ago or something plague this will make her extensive grass fires in spring and this is really harmful practice. mortal fires that we already have now in russia they started from because of this gras is burning. although this crowd is growing this is this is strange many people say russia is different from other countries and one of the differences is that every spring soon

as the snow melts people and these are local officials they start burning grass a large large territories yet last year's grass is being burned out why do they do there will be years in the world as the. exactly i have seen large scale grass born in canada. but there are. many african countries there are there is a tradition to burn grass but the biggest part of the world it is not a tradition in the know to do the does it make any sense to burn the grounds if the cause fires the it does cause five settle for religion i will see you this is not a call nonsense people things that if the world were all grass then they will clean the land and the new grass will appear sooner and this is maybe the initial reason but during the last. several more reasons appear for example from people in militias the thing that i will start

a fire that will come from my and village to another one they will. come to my view and then all thought foresters then they're going to cultural people be also started to burn grass for example from the from the forest just to prevent coming fire into the forest from the wheat which everybody starts and tries to make fire earlier than his neighbor and this lead to the fact that according to our we steam asian from forty to fifty million years this is a huge. worms in your leary co-directors cause fires a. little late for us for good does cause for us again always to mission is that all it did this year spring grass fires course the bold one million who fears for for forest. and it's really the does have to do anything with fertilizing the sort of the nothing new but at least in humid climate in our work i'm a bit of here in has nothing. to lose the sion and in the question i wanted to ask

you about this before just one more thing when i read the papers telling us about the reform about the new code they said we're allocating new money where money is going directly to defer to the people responsible for the forest. they will get the money but is the really actually reaching the local level the grassroots level there are two problems first problem is that before. two thousand he went to new forest called came in force completely the forestry was self for a month and from peta to ninety percent or for money that were used forestry organisations they were they came from the forestry operations on budget and now practically all the money have to come from budget new system so if the sale for financing for forty studies actually destroyed and this mean that if for example

budget please. experiencers for forests when is meant for maybe fifty or sixty percent that it was done this year they cannot cover the gap that the new forest and this is the first problem and not the second problem is the government give a lot of money for you and your fire equipment what they decided not the government by the middle forestry agency decided that better to give this money for one that is used for fighting we've got us through it fires and. we think that it is not good strategy because what is important to prevent fire. or fight fire when it is really small but if for instance we'll have only at this time that is used after the fire became really big and expensive. we will not help you

measure a few cases but what is what is this equipment to to extinguish small fires this is just normal fun staying with us all five extinguishers they're not used for three years but. i mean normal they see different it's premature but there are so called fire forest fires being written like a lake or big bird for water would some sprinkle that is killed by one person or. months for water and they are not really heated they can be transported with her little small car so when you talk about the heavy equipment you mean airplanes that are going on even while doors are. near something like this years ago. fire machines says see here are showing how they had altered greed piece russia for the spotlight will be back shortly will continue this interview in less than a minute so stay with us don't go. culture

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. welcome back to spotlight. just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is. the head of the greenpeace russia forest department we're talking about the devastating fires that happened in this country across the globe ground. our our continent and others last year and it's already happening this year you predicted it like a couple of years ago and it is sadly it's happening again this year it's happening it's happening in siberia in the far east already like here not in the not in the western hemisphere but in the eastern hemisphere so is the scale of these fires already comparable to what happened last year and is it going to spread to the west the scale is comparable with some regional fires that were last year

for example. about three hundred thousand population know we scoured would smoke the same extensional small better have been more school last year and it happens for one second the or that it is not of night but anyway the city is covered with. forest fires around because really really big soul risk immediately and exceed the half million she appears in one or only one region here. but generally now in siberia her son bree would play in fires because the season of grass fires the start of the clear majority of forest fires it's now coming to an end. this season of forest fires that will lead to two other reasons will start maybe in june june july in june or july likelihood of binge will last year as we mentioned earlier today we we we had this heat wave wave we had an

unprecedentedly heart. weather but this year the weather is normal so what's the reason for the fires this year has this what human errors i mean one fire is tourist so what he actually brought in you could hear probably is not maybe not comparable but they. had last year but strong drop but the main reason is not brought about unsafe behavior of. what's clear. bright grass great majority i think that ninety nine percent of fires forest fires the record before now were in two thousand and eleven they started from grass fires and second reason is that we still have no. actual forest guarding system so great there are no people who can care about the fires leaving the

climate change is. mentioned in the one of the one of the reasons of the creasing number of fires to which extent can we blame the clothes change for the first i think that climate change definitely. suncream i think a lot of the fire unsafety in our country but not not only very clear by increasing cough drop period sent temperature but also by. killing some forest by increase or for amount of bark beetles so very strong brickell for or body beetle in spruce forest around or spoke and this may be not lead to. some big problems with privacy if it could this year by definitely it will lead to big problems next year well you mention people there that are one of the main

reasons. people people's carelessness people close by. pavia we call the human factor so is there a lot to be done to to make people more aware to police awareness of people in this country i am sure that a lot should be done to increase people awareness and also there are many mistakes as they are done by state for what one of these mistakes is really the grass fires for example are washed it will forest agency or the regional forest service has to burn more than two million sick tears or break grass along forests to prevent. fires that are not under control but it sure they can not use are always good it was a religious thing so no the religious not on any of them are not in the knowledge of law to also get a crowd to keep seeing that this word in can prevent

a larger fires but actually they have no people to keep it under control two million he fears of grass fires this is one and second is that they make a kind of propaganda of grass fires because people they see the forest as born. fires grass fires then i'd be cultural people be born grass to clean whence we need to pull people be born grass and then people in religions they also start to think that we should warn speaking about mistakes speaking of mistakes one of them is is . the irrigation program that was very intensive in the in the soviet union the most vicious wildfires are happening. wouldn't it be a good idea to to start swamping them again this is a very good idea we support this idea in general or of course but we understand that you cannot help in all cases for example in moscow region we have about two

hundred thousand people there are so bright books. about all. only about it when sixty and seventy thousand pairs can be swamped again because all. they are properly for that are summer cultural lens that can be. again this mean that before and also are the solution this is one of possible solutions. well actually the number of fires has been growing over cross the world this year alone fears wildfires have already australia canada the united states and russia spotlights the media has more that. environmentalists do a made on the climate change and the rise of a bridge temperatures at any given moment forest a brilliant somewhere in the world february so australia fighting wildfires in

areas which were difficult to access except by dozens of homes were destroyed an average of two million hectares burns every year in the united states last month when the whip why is raged across texas which has seen its worst drought in decades the natural disaster has devastated large areas this month it's in canada dozens of forest fires destroyed hundreds of homes and forced the evacuation of thousands russia which in due to worst heat wave in its recorded history last year he's battling wildfires again this time in siberia in the far east a lot of volunteer fire brigades has been adopted in russia but experts say the legislation is imperfect as creation of a brigade means go through too much red tape in many other countries volunteer firefighters. in the u.s. there are five times as many volunteers and professional firefighters.

whatever the volunteers in russia what's the hour here to was volunteer firefighters in this country who's more efficient you mentioned about trying to prevent and they're trying to put out the fire while they're still small so can and professional help be of any use in this case. not enough volunteers firefighting quality years in our country but volunteers are often professional aren't even more professional than people who work in image and image and stimulus through yes exactly but of course an amount of will and yours is much smaller than it is needed for. more than. a thousand small villages there are located too far from or firefighters from the firefighters and people cannot. as soon as it is needed in this religion when they start to work we are we seeing

one of those villages in peoples are just using buckets with water a look at this guy he's a volunteer but he just has a show that's it a do these people get those those small technological things as has special their special corp and instead of that you were talking about before not only just the buckets of water that said we think that every village should be in it with some minimal equipment this is the normal approach but the lord was adopted quite recently and started here in force only a few days ago. says that volunteer teams have to be and he just it has a. legal board you they have to employ at least three professional ability you like director. for bribe or they have to be professional. and they have no normal machine and will be seen by the. actually by the law in the

city and they have to get a license for firefighters because even illegal border has to get the lights on send this is the really complicated process to get a license and we think that for small. country communities it will not be possible to make this volunteer firefighters this mean that they will continue as we can see on these images they will be answered. when it comes to extinguishing a foreigner a local farmer in a village in the far away religion in canada in the united states is it different from russia or is it pretty much the same. you know that these you know you nor in all the years. actually there are many differences even in kind of that there are many differences in how the part of kind of them in northern provinces and territories and we see that the problems of northern parts of canada are really

really similar to the problems that we have there are no enough people in the forests and. this means that when one forest fires started usually there are enough professionals to keep it for example there's this fire but when many forest fires started the starts this mean that there are not enough people to keep an eye on control and this is exactly what we have another country so we're all in one the tank here thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest today was highly see. the head of the greenpeace russia forest. and that's a full album all of us here if you want to have your sales spotlight or if you have someone in mind do you think i actually interview tomorrow to drop we are in calgary not quality t.v. does our year and let it start i interrupt we will be back with more for the time coming out of what's going on k l l fan pressure until then stay on the take and take.

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