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hello again to walk them to spotlight the interview show on our take i'll be one of them today my guest is alex see here to show for. last year their record drought brought unseen wildfires to russia flames destroyed what villages and killed dozens of people three weeks in august moscow and many other cities were covered with pick up the purse and public blamed the conditions on the state's forest products so will russia get their breath of fresh air this year here's the head of the greenpeace russia far as the talk went let's say you were shocked. the wildfires of last summer destroyed almost two million acas a forest and two and a half thousand homes in russia the government was forced to spend more than five

hundred million dollars to stinkiest wires and build new houses after the fall countdown officials say they learned the lessons and would not happen again but the summer has not yet begun and forests in siberia far east are already girls. say thank you very much for being with us thanks welcome to the show well first of all as early as last spring two thousand and ten greenpeace predicted that the wildfires in two thousand. servan may be as strong and as devastating as a year ago what was that prediction based on actually we predicted the large forest fires in two thousand and six already with the in coming years we will have a lot of forest fires so what do you base the waste on the new forest previously from the. abolished the forest guards who heard about

a hundred thousand people who were responsible for. and among them there were. seven clear thousand people who were responsible for particular parts of the forests. the name of these people were listening. and now they're a bullish foresters forester is the. it's the specialist with some professional education usually higher education but police. guard specifically for his guard these these people were. in russia about three hundred years ago and the wives until two thousand said one. no such person as a for our existence yes exactly the profession doesn't exist in russia we're here about sixteen thousand people who are responsible to some extent for forest

protection part of gardening but these people are mostly. office people who work or even though he says oh no no this new forest clothes new legislation was adopted in russia in two thousand and six he said yes yes so you said that it abolished some professional to demolish some some services or. concerning the care first in this country but what other results of this new legislation was it all negative or was there something something optimistic about the scale. there. does not think of . this court only two thousand and six in for this was a really clear position of forest professional and environmental professionals who said that it is not possible to build this forest court it not only abolished the forest guards it's also created the situation when the forest management.

in st louis management companies they have no ways to be normally viable they cannot survive. more than two hundred thousand people working in state forest management system in russia before the new forest league is leeson and now we'll have a bowl fifty thousand people including those sixteen thousand or responsible for. some east of casings so if there's nothing a person listed could also does that mean that the people who adopted this legislation the people who were upset that new forest battles and those in the states are anti forests that they wanted to to to cause harm to russian for assented the russian economy to russian environs is that so or were they wanted to do something good but just didn't succeed. to misstate oh was it on purpose or how did happen this is still discussed among foresters than biologists to what is and

what was it on purpose or this was the only mistake my personal opinion is that it was rather a mistake than poor person people who are made to this new forest called they were too far from forest too far from reality they only thought that evil will make very very simple rules. then it will be perfect for for everybody but these rules were not really very far from being professional well there was this disaster last year when people will people were suffocating in cities like moscow for example. well i was lucky to get him to take my family way from the city but my family the rest of their father stayed here in moscow there i mean i mean they're so we thought we're going to die well there's still deficit of air conditioning things like that the people want to put them everywhere they can in the country houses and in every room of their apartment well the government said present a stake so do you think that something is there the mistakes will not be repeated

this year the government says yes but what do you say i think that supervision became worse that it was one year ago. you remember this we. had no we didn't really want to me but as usual so this is what we have no. government decided that we. have to work and establish guards. formally on preprinted be did this so the new version of what is called the was changed in december last year says that there are some people who are responsible for for this garden but do they actually these are people from the sea sixty thousand people what is possible for many many other things mostly for people making the report and so on so they have no time for doing some photographing work so they actually there are no people people in forest who can

hear. it so there's nobody in the field there with ruthie in their words practically nobody hears that there are a few people in there in the woods in their field and most of the tourists are making fires and tourist making fires and also. product is the first started we'd be fifteen or twenty years ago or something where you do store my curry extensive grass fires in spring and this is really harmful practice and most of fires that we already have now in russia they started from because of this grass burning. although this group is growing this is this is strange many people say russia is different from other countries and one of the differences is that every spring susu the snow melts the people and these are local officials they start burning grass a large large territories yet last year's grass is being burned out why do they do that nobody else in the world does the month exactly i have seen large scale grass

born in canada. but there are. many african countries that there is a tradition to burn grass but the biggest part of the world is not a tradition in what i did or did the does it make any sense to burn the grounds it may cause fires they does cause five surrendered for the legion i will see it is not a common sense people think that if they will burn all grass then they will clean the land and the new grass will appear sooner this is maybe the initial reason but during the last. several more reasons appear for example some people in religious they think that with that i will start a fire that will come from my own religion or another one. of those little cunt on my view who and then all thought foresters them going to cultural people they also started to worm grass for example from from the forest just to prevent

coming fire into the forest from the wheel which everybody starts and tries to make fire earlier than his neighbor and this leads to the fact that according to our we steam ation from forty to fifty million years this is a huge. worms in your leery you know what i did or does cause fire is their own evil the first for good does of course fire out again always to mission is there already did this year spin crossfire's course the bold one million superiors of forest fire. and it's really doesn't really have to do anything with brutalizing this or the nothing new or at least in humid climate in our what climate that we have here it has nothing. to lizzie from and you know the question i wanted to ask you about this reform is just one more thing when i read the papers telling us about the reform about the new code they said we're allocating new money more money

is going directly to the fur to the people responsible for the forest normally they will get the money but is the money actually reaching the local level the grassroots level there are two problems first problem is that before. two thousand he went to new forest called came in fourth completely the forestry was self three months and from eighty to ninety percent or for money where used forestry organisations they were they came from forest reputations not from budget and now practically all the money have to come from budget new system so if the self or from uncynical forest preserve actually destroy it in this mean that if for example budget please. explain to us for forests point is meant for maybe fifty or sixty percent that it was done based year they cannot carve

a big gap that appeared after the new forest and this is the first problem another second problem is the government give a lot of money for you and you fire equipment but they decided not the government by the fiddle forestry agency decided better to give this money for a plant that is used for fighting with fires and. we think that it is not good strategy because what is important to prevent fire. or. when it is really small but if for instance we'll have only. one that was used after the fire became very big and expensive. we will not help in majority of cases what is what is this equipment to to extinguish small fires this is just a normal phone sting operation where us and all five takes in which is then not

used for three years but. i mean normal for the seat of my extinguisher but there are so called fire forest fires thing which unlike like a big bear for water with some sprinkle that is used by one person or. bumps for water and they are not really they can be transported with a little small car so when you talk about the heavy equipment you mean airplanes there are not even one doors or. something like this years a very violent machines says irrational co the head of that greed piece russia for the spotlight will be back shortly will continue this interview with less than a minute cell to stay with us there we go. wealthy

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back to spotlight algor knob and just a reminder my guest in the studio today is alex shoko the head are the greenpeace russia forest department we're talking about the devastating forest that happened in this country across the globe around the. our our continent another this last year and it's already happening this year you predicted it like a couple of years ago and it is suddenly it's happening again this year it's certainly it's happening in siberia in the far east already like not in the not in the western hemisphere but in the eastern hemisphere so is the scale of these fires already comparable to what happened last year and is it going to spread to the west the scale is comparable with some regional fires that were from last year for example. about three hundred thousand population know we scoured

with small the same extensional small group would have been more school last year and it happens for a second the or that it is not great of nights now but anyway the city is covered with. forest fires around tickle screens really really beat so we recently did at least see the half million the earth in one or only one region here. but generally now in siberia we have some brie would put in fires because the season of grass fires that started the. majority of forest fires it's now coming. in the. season of forest fires the really the other reasons will start maybe in june june july in june or july seventy where i binge well last year as we mentioned earlier today we we we had this heat wave wave we had an unprecedentedly

heart. weather but this year the weather is normal so what's the reason for the fires this year just this one human there is i mean bonfires tourists are what you actually have a drop in your cheer probably that is not maybe not comparable but that said last year what the strong draw but the main reason is not brought about unsafe behavior of population. mostly of dry grass great majority i think that ninety nine percent of fires forest fires that record before now were in two thousand and eleven they started from grass fires and second reason is that we still have no. actual forest guarding system there are no people who can care about the fires leave it in the climate change is

as mentioned in one of the one of the reasons of the freezing number of fires to which extent can we blame the climate change for the first i think that climate change definitely. something i think a lot of the fire and safety in our country but not not only very clear by increasing. periods sent temperature but also by. killing some forest by increase or for amount of bark beetles so we have a strong outbreak of body beetle in spruce forest on more scope in this maybe not leads to. some big problems with price even if this year well definitely it will lead to big problems next year well emotion people. that are one of the main reasons. people pay people carelessness people close by. pavia

we call the human factor so is there a lot to be done to to make people more aware to increase awareness of people in this country or i am sure that a lot should be done to increase people awareness and also there are many mistakes that were done by steve for what one of the basic mistakes is really the grass fires for example are washed it will forest agency or the regional forest services to burn more than two million sheep tears of dry grass along forests of poor prevent. the fires. are not under control but he actually they can not use iraq as billy was a religious thing so not only religious not on any of them are not in the knowledge of law to also got the right to keep this in the this world in can prevent

a larger fires but actually they have no people to keep under control two million years of grass fires this is one and second is that they make a kind of propaganda of grass fires because people they see the forest as born. fires grass fires been largely cultural people be born grass to clean whence we need to pull people be born grass and then people in religions they also start to think that we should work on speaking about mistakes speaking mistakes one of them is is. the irrigation program that was very intensive in the soviet union the most vicious wildfires are happening in the house wouldn't it be a good idea to to start swamping them again this is a very good idea we support this idea in general of course but we understand that it cannot help in all cases for example in moscow region with about two hundred

thousand fearful dr walks. about all. between sixty and seventy thousand barrels can be. again because. they are properly. there are some regular cultural lens that can be. litigated again and this mean that before and also the solution because of possible solution the main one well actually the number of fires has been growing over cross the world this year alone fears wildfires have already had australia canada the united states and russia spotlights the media has warned that. environmentalist blame it on the climate change and the rise of average temperatures at any given moment forest a brilliant somewhere in the world february so australia fighting wildfires in areas which were difficult to access except by dozens of homes were destroyed an

average of two million hectares burns every year in the united states last month's wind whipped wise raged across texas which has seen its worst drought in decades the natural disaster has devastated areas this month it's in canada dozens of forest fires destroyed hundreds of homes and forced the evacuation of thousands russia which in due to worst heatwave in its recorded history last year is battling wildfires again this time in siberia in the far east a lot of volunteer fire brigades has been adopted in russia but experts say the legislation's imperfect as creation of a brigade means go through too much red tape in many other countries a volunteer firefighters. in the u.s. there are five times as many volunteers and professional firefighters.

what occurred the volunteers in russia what's the attitude to was volunteer firefighters in this country who's more efficient you mentioned trying to prevent and they're trying to put out the fire while they're still small so can and professional help the of any use in this case. not enough volunteers fire fighting calling for years from now granted by the probable and clear of all from a professional not even more professional than people who work in clean image and image and stimulus through yes exactly but of course the amount of volunteers use much smaller than is needed for. more than forty. thousand small villages there are located too far from or firefighters from the firefighters and people cannot. assume as it is needed in this religion when they start to work we go we seeing one of those villages in people's are just using

buckets with water you know look at this guy he's a volunteer but he just has a show that's it to do these people get those those small technological things as as special their special cortland instead of that you were talking about before or only just the buckets of water that said we think that. should be some minimal equipment this is the normal approach but the lord was aboard perhaps quite recently and started here in force only a few days ago. the mother brought it says that volunteer teams have to be relisted as a. legal board you have to employ at least three professionals. like director. briber they have to be professional. and they hear secretary norman on a machine because by the. by the law only the three and they have to

get a license for firefighting because every legal body has to get the lights and send this is the really complicated process to get a license and we think that for small. country communities it will not be possible to make this volunteer firefighter this mean that they will continue as we can see on these images they will be a story. when it comes to extinguishing a foreigner a local farmer in a village in the far away religion in canada in the united states is it different from russia or is it true much the same they all do you know these hearings on i i nor in all the years. they actually did i mean the differences even in canada there are many differences in how the part of criminal bend in northern provinces and territories and we see that the problems of more than lots of really really similar to problems look we have there are more enough people in the forests and.

this means that when one forest fires started usually there are enough professionals to keep it in the country all this this fire but when many forest fires start of the start this means that there are not enough people to give them control and this is exactly what we have another country so we are all in one that we thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest today was highly say. the head of the greenpeace russia forest and that's it for the album all of us here if you want tragic yourself spotlight or if you have someone in mind to you think i should interview tomorrow to drop they are in calgary not party to the dark are a year and that it's part of life interact we will be back with more for the time coming for what's going on in el al fans pressure until then to stay on our team and take.

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