more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world seeing from the streets of canada. giant corporations to rule the day. welcome back here with our c.n.n. live from moscow recapping our top stories goldman sachs one of the biggest u.s. financial entities throws away more than a billion dollars of libya's investments such as american moguls called about the game for cash scams. firefighters have put up a major blazes i mean if it were not russia's republican all the books here would seem to heights of a spectacular but destructive cults are we should however several small areas

within the military do that all still seem to be done. and a secure no longer a high tech russian says it's bypassing the i phone is much touted security and is now offering to retrieve any information from anyone else for a sizeable. try those are the headlines on this saturday afternoon here in moscow next though it's our interview show spotlight as relations warm between russia and america host al going off of his guests discuss what this could mean in reality and not just in the world of politics. hello again and welcome spotlight. i think i'll be you know they will speak about one of the most important issues. u.s.

russia from russia is a bid to enter the w t l now has a vital support from the united states to strengthen ties even more washington has agreed they need these a regime starting this autumn russians will be able to get three years of these that but what else do people and businesses want from moscow and washington will be out of director of the institute for democracy and cooperation and then you can be going on and the president and c.e.o. of the u.s. russia business council. that's right some political spats between moscow and washington that you are getting closer. the u.s. has agreed to help play the welcome mat for russia at the w t o. russian travelers and business are eagerly anticipating the introduction of the extended three year american visas of the getting one with no easy task.

hello ed hello i'm julie thank you very much for being with us on the show and first of all i want to to hear your comments on something that we hear through the grapevine later and that michael mcfaul i probably moving to moscow as the new american ambassador should we expect something from the from this and how problems it will be used. well it's a rumor i think they really believe. but maybe we can speculate on the basis of the rumor. michael mcfaul is. someone who is known to be close to president obama he is a scholar on russia he's an expert field he's worked very closely with the members of the administration spent some time also working with people on capitol hill so i think he summing up this is true and assuming that he is confirmed.

then i think he would be a very good representative and in no way reflects negatively current bass or mazur virally who has the highest reputation here in russia i know and also in the united states and we would hope i would hope if this is true that he would remain in some form or another or involved with. with us russia relations in an official capacity or an unofficial one here and. the crow is one of the main architects of the new bama procedure was russia when i met him. and with the video and i put a we happened to be on the plane together but not for the you you still drink you but i think. he wants to sleep i said no no you have to share with me a glass of champagne at least this quick. yeah really unfortunate for an american. to meet and they relieve me and i want to play.

that's going to have those marine which came at that moment as base a letter from president obama to president made radio and he at that time told me that he was the alter over this praise riseth i hear he wrote that for biden at least right here that he was very active and he was very supportive to the polisario first trip. actually here was i think the rector of carnegie. endowment here in moscow and really is it true you know the speculation that that they decided to to send a new. hostage and virally. became a hero of that we can leaks one thing i do these things are running around like something or something i don't think so by the way some order on north over in washington and new york that might be i'm not for is living in the administration

and returning back to stanford. that was also the rumor but now it is more realistic might be that he really going to be. very very in russia because otherwise might be he put the. you know i don't know. but traditionally you country keep your ten year ship in university for longer than for some years might be there was an option either to go back to stanford or to get a promotion and take his what promotion and i would agree with you dancing that. here's a very good investor and doing a really good job and one of his latest statements is a matter of fact made russians very happy he said that probably we are very close to agreeing are now three year visa for americans and for russians going to the

united states do you think that that if we decide really to simply to be able to grant three year visas for people this is a real step to a visa free regime well imagine that these are free with the united states well you go back to work you said earlier now it was officially announced at the deauville summit was done and met with may get a visit there. that there will be some agreement on visas they're working on give a time for when it would actually be adopted but yes visa free visa three year visas multiple entry for businessman interests and twelve months for officials which is a huge step forward. you know what's that's that's progress enough that makes it considerably easier for people to do business or for people to come visit russia or or in the other direction. i think it's probably too soon to talk about

a visa free regime this is progress very substantial progress and i think. it . symbolizes the progress that we've made under the the new relationship the reset if you will and really on the other hand speaking about the goats. easing easing the visa regime will be ended and last year was a record on rejection. i mean visas to russians i have information that early this spring seventy percent of those in students applications were rejected two states how does this add up to two talking the president talking about about free travel and the embassies that are rejecting continued three applications. it's very strange because you know recently a. very interesting article concerning. the level of unemployment in the

us and practically no economy the percent we were. prepared to crisis but now fewer people are producing that amount as they produced earlier and that's why it's a problem what to do with the people understand some proposals was the proposal to not be americans lost his oldest restrict. a limitation in order to bring to new tourists to create new industries and to make people busier our little boys and students experience the same kind of course we'll get to getting visas to go sure well maybe i could answer that you really have to ask to begin the foreign minister. and then we can as the students was there to see that in prior years very large numbers of russians have gone to the us students on temporary work visas and they work in seasonal resorts iras where there is

a shortage or have been a shortage of of labor service personnel during certain peak seasons and the summer is one of them. so if this seventy percent reduction maybe off of a very high base for that particular category of visa i don't know i'm not familiar with it. there are very has never been the same kind of flow in the other direction and and in part because russia doesn't offer a temporary work regime for american students. and in part because it's very expensive to come to russia on a student budget. very i mean of light blue or the current combination of both the growth and the visa itself of course is this is the must do continues to be a very expensive city for us the most the most expensive so i do think it is one hundred one yes no i don't think it's liberal perhaps it's number three according to

ratings by a number three it used to be number one in the list of what you have your target is somebody to london that's not going to kill kill you know someone who the funny thing is that the russian primate when we first heard that moscow is the most expensive it wasn't oh that's that's a great achievement if we were the first in space and we expect with the first the bill is the most expensive things hundred. is there a well actually they had said that that this three year visa is very good itself i mean n.p.t. said something like enough is enough but i saw what i know you are. do you think we can we can expect to have these free regime with the states in our lifetime because because i think i think feel that that we are moving to these are free will show good zone. can we expect to see with us i think that a multinational not social inclusion is we're closer here because you know if

we solve the problem with europeans might be it will be a pave the way for a visit phrygian with the united states might be some time. in the longer term one why are you so the mistake because because of the tradition in our relations article because of the present state of relations. you know i don't know we have to wait for the outcome of the elections in both countries and night the night be there is a kind of. suspicious approach on behalf of the american public in order to see the world there are. some grants or it's based on the number of people who receive visas who come to the united states and overstay their visas it's it's not directed at russia there are other countries that also. have

a higher rejection rate and it's because of the history of losing something many people of us throughout a status it's very easy to come to the u.s. it's very easy to find work marry and it's a very open culture through the immigrants so that when something shows up it's not it's it's relatively easy to become integrated and but not all we've got some twelve million illegal residents so it's things are changing so i want to venture and that's because this is the problem with immigration there is a problem of unemployment. the there's the what was discussion what to do with the mexican border see underneath me a good idea and director of the institute for democracy and cooperation and rhoda the president and c.e.o. of the u.s. russia business spotlight will be back shortly after a short break stay with them don't.

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it's six. welcome back to the spotlight an older novel just a reminder that my guests in the studio today are and jenny committed i know that rector are the institute for democracy in cooperation and at the road the president and c.e.o. of the u.s. russia business cards gentlemen we've started talking about these as and this is a pretty new issue the russian american way she's talking about visa facilitation

probably even moving to a visa free regime the president's request. countries that talked about it in india will influence recently no i will not change the subject and talk about something very symbolic something very historic and russian merrick relations and the jackson valley can remember all journalists who interviewed people like yours like the general one about the jackson valley congreve and the and the only one you know would ever be lifted i knew the answer the answer is never i think so but i'll still ask the question maybe i'll use something else head. a year very disappointed because it will be the. first person when you know when the answer to what is never to. optimistic we may see that. lifted within. the data but. soon and maybe that's by the

end of this year the administration has made it very clear this administration which is the third administration consecutively that is that is pledged to remove jackson bankrupt making efforts necessary to get congress to do that i think that this year it will do so it has publicly said that it supports it and when vice president biden was here in moscow in march he said that he personally would be leading the administration's efforts in congress to get it lifted. and it's closed because that wall is no longer relevant it's an anachronism and i think out of respect for our own legal traditions we should remove the laws from the books that are no longer valid but also because it has a very will have or would have a very material impact on american business interests. when russia gets into the w t o if we have it lifted and we could be funny i mean joining the media i think the world through it wouldn't stop russia from having the most favored nation status of

all the other members of the w t o but it would mean that we the united states would not. be able to extend that to russia and consequently russia would have no obligation to extend m.f. and status to us is a chose not to given you both are not using the studio angele we talking about the jackson american remains i think you were you one of the guys who said that that let's leave it to the americans because because it's in their interest there is the remote in ours it's not as discriminating today it's the american business discriminated the how you do you think this is the reason why they finally want to have that i think as a representative of american business community. in a way american russian business community here was absolutely correct of course often joining up with your american companies would like to work in russia markets under similar with european or asian carp and i understand so of course

it's but i can say that this is only their interest or our interest it's received. it. the interest of both countries i think to repeal this amendment and know that you know there were hundreds or so but i think because all presidents are suspending every year the they. are this certified compliance yes but this is rather symbolic you know it can have a symbolic effect and it will show that our countries are moving in the right direction and. a word that came from from the real in either. the rumor we heard or maybe not even rude it's a fact that the g eight wants the talks on the russian entry to the w t o completed by the end of this year how good are the chances that is what happened

will you think. well i'm an optimist by profession. so i'm going to say that i think there's a very good chance that it will be done. by the end of the year the russians are saying that they think that they can complete their their package of their negotiations by july. they met on. tuesday and have this is announced that there will be another meeting of the working group on july twenty third so we're looking forward to that that should be the day when russia would be able to say well we've complied i'm not such an optimist that i think that will be the case i think it's going to it's going to go into before but it's a question of russia doing some things that it has to do it has to harmonize its customs schedules with the other members of the customs union which it still hasn't done and with the international customs code and there are many many

lines of customs code that have yet to be fully harmonized it also has to clarify for the members of the working group what its own internal procedures are for addressing disagreements or a misunderstanding is or simply ambiguities in the in the customs education of customs cases that's the that's the russian side it's a result of having announced the customs union when negotiations had already gotten very far ahead so can it be done yes another issue though and it should be clear there are some outstanding. disagreements or outstanding areas involving intellectual property rights sanitary fetus sanitary standards encrypts in. trade related investment measures and other things and that it's clear everybody wants russia into the p.t.o. and both president obama said it when he was sitting next to president yet even though bill we want to be in but it doesn't mean that we are not pushing hard in.

make sure that russia complies fully with the standards of the w t o and it intends to enforce them we just heard mention a number of popsicles to to to to to finalizing the talks of russia's special to w t o but many russia are sure that the main obstacle is judea is their true and really. georgia is an obstacle would but. i think the western artists are a bit. it's important to the behavior of georgian government because they are putting not economic you know problems but i would trickle problems as a precondition for. creating you know. russia's joining the w t o. but right and good a lot of. it might be we can join you one with the consent of georgia

because the charter over the good look you gives an opportunity to be formally one country is again you can ignore it. but you think. this is my next question is it the obstacle movie i would like this people with washington to convince george you have to stop the rubbish or. i my understanding of the u.s. position is that. a session is by. by consensus and it is unanimous you got to well i still think that it's possible that we'll see you but you know that it is possible if only one country forget you can join the overlook you at least i read that and i know that love wrote itself that i think either of these are images of the interpretation. of the american

dream and which governs that for seizure. you know it's it's up to russia and georgia to come to some understanding. of the swiss have appointed someone as a as a mediator and we hope that there that with that some sort of. arrangements can can be made. president obama said there will be he personally or it was said by his advisor that president obama was very much involved in these discussions so we have an interest we see. we want russia and having to go and and we may have some influence with with with the georgian government but it would be a mistake i think to assume that you know we just click our fingers and they do what we ask i don't think that's true the russian prime minister said that russia is this vantage today because because we are following the w t o rules which we're not getting the advantages because we're not yet members maybe

a hundred maybe we should stop following the rules until i got through to become members oh yes i think my big bets was. is that what he meant that. that was the real knightly that was the reason to worry here if you're a member once. let's join and look to. three countries together with customs you wouldn't here. because i remember the end of this while the club meeting would put and he said listen we are negotiating for seventeen years we have. sick and tired of war because nations that's why my but we need to advance our cooperation with our neighbors and solve our own problems and leave that alone border policed might be there is a necessity for other partners the right. to be more positive in sense

of russia's accession until the last year we were well when i said are we waiting for four for the relations actions that can be said now does that mean that you gentlemen think that that that the upcoming elections both in russia and in the united states are not going to really influence influence the the relations between the countries very short yes or no wm volunteer. planes are pending on the outcome here yes they will we're going to be hard on trying to look very serious thing. trend the trend is strong i think it was last year after the mid-term elections i made a comment and i said that independently with tories i'm gonna win in the us there is no alternative to this research poll with. a man i think we've achieved considerable progress on the research and we've signed the new start agreement

that's that's of if it were only for that i'd say that this is been a great success other things like. the northern corridor for resupplying of the nato efforts in afghanistan very significant very important will that change i don't think so but some other parts of the relationship probably could general thank you thank you very much just a reminder that my guest on the show today we're going to need peter nam director of the institute for democracy incorporation and edward road the president and c.e.o. of the u.s. russia business council that's it for now spotlight will be back with more for their comments on what's going on in and outside of russia until then stay in our seat and take it. thank you.