back on the low nischelle or i'll get the real headlines with none of them are state we're going to live in washington d.c. now normally at this point in the show i outline our headlines for you and we get the whole thing rolling but we're doing things differently from now on for those of you who watch the show on a regular basis i think there are the role of where of why you watch it or says the other guys and i'm talking about the mainstream media i mean three media that always manages to miss the real story now for those of you who may be new let me just take a moment to remind you of that drivel that you see everywhere else away or corporate

owned media chooses to spend their time and their money on in the last few days it all started with this. and. the further something we're going to be taking away our arms by reading bill that in the end he sure is right he is more stupid to know the two symbols in the line shots the bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free. that's right sarah palin said something that's historically and factually inaccurate as usual and the mainstream media has a literally been falling all over itself to analyze the slip up from every single angle possible sarah palin has the rights of whatever she thinks i mean she is not a candidate for president yet she has a right to say whatever she wants however she should be held accountable for that and i think that's what we're doing even as we speak i'll just leave it at that it's i should go to state kerry keep it out over there which i could be a chuckle. over the years i think that speaks for good and she's right i remember

steve schmidt who ran the campaign for john mccain saying after meeting with her and listing they're saying she doesn't know anything and by the way it's one of my lead to advice it was the signals he was getting about where the british were coming everybody knows that how damaging is this latest. play it's not helpful for her the first when she made the gaffe i don't think it was all that serious she was i think it looked like she was putting some food items on a tray and she was sort of thinking out loud but it does show the peril and sort of answering questions off the cuff really. now listen i'm all for making fun of politicians calling about when they make stupid statements especially when there is malady as miss bailey herself but we make fun of it we get a laugh and then we move on we move on to talk about unemployment talking about the housing crisis the death of the middle class the corporate dominance and ownership of this country and of our lawmakers and the constant endless wars of the military industrial complex and it's shills and your corporate media they're much more

interested in the throngs of people that bank to manage to a storm a courtroom just to get a glimpse of casey anthony who would think it's a circumstantial case is those videotapes of this murder so what they've done is they've got her they've put all those jailhouse interviews people see what a liar she is that she was out partying for thirty days after the child went missing the fact that the defense or the defendant was able to have the body hidden for so long that the flesh of the could indicate and there's only skeletal remains here not a nurturer benefit there's no question this was a homicide look we've got a two year old she didn't commit suicide and then. why are people are so fascinated with the story of a young woman that may have killed her child it's a mystery to me but you know what there is a market for that and it's called a daytime talk show not a channel that focuses on news or politics the real troubles plaguing the entire country don't you think that americans would care a little bit more about the. billions of dollars being spent the thousands of lives

being lost in afghanistan and iraq if only their media did you know we constantly hear that critique americans are too far removed from our wars and that's why they don't protest more that's why we don't hear more calls for these wars to stop but you know why they were moved because the media doesn't cover that so let's talk about a bit of the real stories that we saw today and over the weekend the band secretary robert gates while in afghanistan on his farewell tour warned against withdrawing too many troops too soon. for my money question is. if it were up to me i'd leave the shooters to last i have confidence that will strike the right balance and it's really it's really so much about where you started but what the next year and a half to two years looks like and i think we have to look at it strategically like that not just focus on the front end of this i mean whatever member gets in the house. now the new york times is reporting today that the obama administration is

a looking at a steeper troop drawdown than originally planned all thanks in part to the killing of osama bin laden but you know what that means free media took from that in their two minutes dedicated to covering it this morning but there is infighting within the obama administration chuck todd was beside himself with joy to talk about more beltway he said she said and you know what i'm talking about the fact that this is america's longest war that we're losing it the thousands of service members of died and yet we still have no idea who the key players are within the taliban and the more civilians have died in the last ten years of occupation the under taliban rule how about the fact that we can't afford this war anymore and if the majority of americans don't think it's worth fighting you know i guess that would be digging just a little bit wouldn't. and how about the fact that five u.s. soldiers were killed in a rocket attack in central iraq during the media mention that to you they called it the single biggest incident involving u.s.

soldiers since may of two thousand and nine which is true and then they moved on to asking why we still have troops there to begin with even though our combat mission there supposedly ended last september oh that's right because that war still isn't over because we still have fifty thousand troops there and robert gates is hoping that iraq is going to ask them to say past the end of this year come up with like it there aren't even any pictures from this attack today because every news outlet has abandoned the area there just a smattering of reporters left in iraq because everybody seems to have forgotten about it those are the headlines those are the stories in the questions that you don't get from the mainstream media that's what they miss and that's why you come here. now we often talk about the disconnect between the d.c. political elites and the rest of the country and a new rasmussen poll is a glaring example of that currently sixty six percent of voters say that the country is headed down the wrong direction and that's no small number but then when you divide that by who the voters are that's all the difference is really in your

face amongst political class of voters sixty one percent think the country is headed in the right direction ask mainstream voters people like you well they disagree seventy eight percent of them disagree so when majority of those that are in charge of legislating on key issues think that things are just peachy keen they're really surprised anymore that wall street gets off scot free while the rest of us are martyrs poor closures and unemployment joining me to discuss this from our studio in new york is david rosen author and alter net contributor david thank you so much for joining us tonight for starters and we look at these polls that come from rasmussen and they say the political class who are they referring to specifically. but i don't think they're referring to me i think they're referring to you because you seem very up on the issues of the day which is a very exceptional of the united states. but if i'm making a slight joke here i apologize no it is people who take news very seriously and.

ask difficult questions and don't have simple answers. but that doesn't seem to make any sense right people like myself if i am constantly following the news and if i really know what's going on in the country then why would i think that things are just fine why would i think why did sixty one percent of people like myself think that we're headed in the right direction because i have my own feel that way . though i think that's the disconnect that you're pointing out i mean i think most people feel that the. the forces that govern this country have far more authority than they do so that the political class sees things i believe if i understand what rasmussen means by the political class is educated active citizens who take voting in the political process seriously they actually see things more historical context what i think again but rasmussen is implying with and they don't really define these classes is that the other people who look upon things far more

pessimistically are people who are living in the day to day they're overwhelmed by reality they feel. scared to death by the structural realignment that this country is in the midst of a mess where we're watching so if your are part of what they call the political class i think you take a step back you don't see the short term you see in the bigger picture and you are you know in that sense i think you look at mr obama and what the democrats are attempting to do and you put it say against the context of what someone like roosevelt did you know fifty seventy years ago in which america faced a comparable kind of crisis of this magnitude we haven't done this before america has since since the great depression have gone through a period smaller fiscal crisis is in which you know we've been able to recover in a fairly comfortable way that gave people a sense of optimism in a sense of hope what we're witnessing today and this is what i believe is a structural realignment of the the economic nature of this country and what people

are fearful of is a fair. that they're going to be at the short end of the stick most people and you see this most clearly articulated by people in the tea party movement are scared to death they know that the traditional privileges that went to them are disappearing but they have very little control over the sort of the future of the economy of this country there's no big future most people's eyes there's just holding on to work you heard of and hoping for the best so i mean i think that's the disconnect that you feel better for it with these two different segments and they are your perceptions what do you think people are supposed to do you mentioned that the tea party could be an example of people actually showing that fear and bringing that fear out into into protest into political action why don't we see more of that let's say from the left side from the progressive side even the tea party you could say has has totally fallen off the bandwagon when it comes to some of the original the initial anger that really started the movement when it comes to the anger over

the the wall street bailouts and the fact that the bankers are getting off scot free and if there has been no justice that these people actually live above the law they have laws of their own. well i agree with you i think in fact we saw the beginnings of this kind of if you will more progressive response for what happened in madison and some other. state capitals a couple of months ago i think the tea party people have hit the war because they realize that the politics that they were promised as most clearly articulated by paul ryan sort of. that. a voucher care proposals are really aimed at them directly and they're sort of waking up to the fact that they don't have the answers and no one really has an answer and the sad state of course is that the democrats don't have an answer either they have no long term structural play into how to read and reinvigorate this country without a massive commitment of resources which the political system both republicans and

most congressional democrats are opposed to it's a slow and very trying period for the next decade or so and people really i think in their heart of hearts know that the ray i usually try to define this as i say the american century is over what that grand historical moment which was really exceptional american history that followed the second world war and sort of it came to its eclipse but the oil crisis in the mid seventy's was a great moment for americans and the people who are in the tea party movement are really beneficiaries of that process and they're potentially their children but for sure not their grandchildren who don't know what to do with it and so that's where we're really stuck and in fact you know i can it's i think you know what's going to come i have you know i'm not a. reader but i see a structural crisis here in which no one really wants to address especially the political leadership in this country they want to get through to two thousand and twelve unless obama completely screws up and the democrats you know they will get

reelected i mean i think we see the second rate tier of candidates the republicans is testimony to the fact that there's that they have basically the most. republicans republicans have given up on to twelve and they're going to look more promoted through something that probably sixteen things will settle down a bit it will be much more like business as usual with a different political social reality economic reality for most people and then they then the the game will start again for real. i think you hit it on the nose there david though when you say that everyone's worried about the next election two thousand and twelve or be it twenty sixteen when it comes to these election cycles and that's why we can't make any long term plans and i think that's why people are so pessimistic about it because they realize the pickle tickle system doesn't actually you know make use of any of that or plan for that i thank you so much for joining us tonight well thank you very much for having me appreciate it. now coming up next a low fat place is hackers or is a society or a group with

a political purpose or to give you some background information on these guys and why you should keep a close eye on that and then our travelers having their rights stripped from them we'll bring you some shocking statistics as to the number of people who've had their electronic devices that seized during border checks and i'll speak with david house friend of bradley manning who's also filed a lawsuit against the jets with target for that purpose back after the break. into it only one of which he mechanisms if you don't work to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government's doing you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see the story and the scene so foolishly you think you

understand it and then you glimpse something else here's some other part of it and realized everything you saw. i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid. i think. one well. we have the government says their brother can safely get ready to give them their freedom.

five ft. five. now during past shows we've told you about and even spoken about years of the hacktivist group anonymous they responsible for hiking pay paul and master card after those organizations cut ties with wiki leaks amongst a few other notable hacks in the cyber world like the h.p. gary e-mail hack but now there's a new group to keep your eye on i called. it short for security and this group

might be new but they're already out to prove that they're force to be reckoned with their logo is a combination of the rage face of the monopoly guy and on their website they seem to try to portray themselves as a bit of a playful group this quote could be found on their page considering a fun is now restricted to friday where we look forward to the week and weekend we have now taken upon ourselves to spread out fun fun fun throughout the entire calendar year and of course the term comes from the internet where they go play on the original online slang for a laugh out loud or l.o.l. as of now there doesn't really seem to be any one person in charge and they're very loosely coordinated meaning that nobody really knows how many people might be affiliated with them and we first told you about this group of hackers after they came out against p.b.s. documentary about leaky leaks and bradley manning they have t.v.'s as web page and change the front page to a false story about tupac being alive in new zealand but here's a little more background on this group are pretty new they've only been performing notable hacks since may and one of their first acts which put them on the map was

when they have to obtain information on contestants of the show x. factor complete with names phone numbers and evil addresses which of course they then it should for all the public to see but it also bypassed cyber security for other big companies also made a pass of the already battered cell he tapping at three of their websites for once again leaving all of their consumer data on encrypt it they also have nintendo's website but didn't actually affect any user data on the group says it was just a warm up for their bigger hit f.b.i. affiliated sites the groups in for garden un valence were hit by a law last friday in forgot. unveilings are private firms that concentrate on quote fake hacking government sites to let them know how secure their government information is in the cyber world obviously if these companies can so easily be hacked the fairly say too much for how well they can protect the government's data does it so any information that level security found on these firms databases that have ties to the f.b.i. were then hacked with the following press release from what they did they said it

while they're not very many log ins that we'd like to take time to find out that all of them are affiliated with the f.b.i. in some way most of them reuse their passwords in other places which is heavily frowned upon in the f.b.i. in for guard handbook and generally everywhere else too so what we have yet to learn how detrimental this act is let's also point out to you the three classifications for hackers you've got the white hats there are groups dedicated to hacking sites to inform the sites about any flaws or loopholes in their systems and there's the black cats those are the malicious hackers and finally they are the grey had sued don't really fall into the category when it comes to the intent of their hacking capabilities i think that's where the group of all security currently lays oh they're still young they've proven that they can take on the best of the best and they want to make themselves known to everyone including the f.b.i. so i personally like food send an offer to lots like i'm very curious about your motives and what drives organization so if you'd like to have your voice heard you're welcome to share your message here on the alone or show. now it's

a growing trend travelers having their laptops and other electronic devices searched and seized all crossing the border back in the united states the constitution project has even put together some numbers and according to their figures from october first two thousand and eight through june second two thousand and ten more than sixty five hundred people had their electronic devices search from crossing the international border nearly half of those are u.s. citizens and two thousand and nine customs and border protection ran at two thousand two hundred and four searches of digital media including laptops and one hundred five individuals were detained without authorities citing any grounds for reasonable suspicion now one person has been a victim of that treatment as computer scientists and activists from the bradley manning support network david house just weeks ago he father lawsuit against a department of justice for violating his first and fourth amendment rights by seizing his laptop when he was passing through security at chicago's o'hare international airport they not only kept his belongings for forty nine days they

also interrogated him about his associations with magic so joining me to discuss this he has details on how the lawsuit is going is david house david thanks so much for joining us tonight now for starters can you give us some more details about that incident at the o'hare airport that really did you know lead you to file a lawsuit yeah of course it was a really bizarre circumstances i was coming back in from mexico on a vacation with my girlfriends and you never really expect to have your computer electronics east from you so going through the airports i think including normally we got to customs going through the line and all the sudden we were approached by two individuals who said they were from the department of homeland security and these individuals and for me i was compelled to surrender my electronic devices after doing so they took me to a back room and they interrogated me about my associations with a problematic support network i should know the support network is a legal advocacy organization based in the states it is nothing illegal it has no affiliations with it we can fix organization and they seemed like

a shooter i think a. just well it routine the information. needed or supported this legal advocacy campaign well that's one of the things as you say that you know you go through the airport you're coming back from a trip you don't necessarily expect somebody to look through all of your information but it's something it's happening more and more often if you look at some of the numbers that i just outlined and it seems like the government really is takes advantage of the fact that they don't need a warrant when you're on the border that's one of their rights because supposedly that's how you keep bad people out of the country so what are you actually filing suit against do you think that you have a chance of winning. well certainly it's important to note that the u.s. government has not been legislated any authority to claim devices of the border they had kind of claim this is already on the road they said right we're the government and we can take it up a border there's very little legal precedent with us and we hope this case will outline the u.s. government should actually obtain a warrant before seizing any devices from any person traveling across the border

now the border except exception to the fourth amendment has been stated to be used in order to protect national defense but i had a hard time believing that anything on my computer or list of that person might chat contacts are somehow detrimental to national defense so if u.s. government wants to seize a lot hotter markets in the future seize cameras from sort of petard rivers or seize notes from journalists they need to get a warrant first as has been done since the inception of this country well there these days of course we hear national defense or national security being used as an excuse to go after a lot of people but if they mention activists imagine journalists if it is like say a terrorist organization do you think that the government should have the right to then seize that information without a warrant oh that's a terrorist organization hopefully the u.s. government has the capacity to investigate this organization and then to get a warrant from the courts as is required by due process of law when we start degrading due process of law when we start claiming these no you'll see exceptions there's really no into it and i don't want to live in

a country where my belongings can be seized without a warrant any time place now it's important to note the u.s. government has claims that fifty miles inside each border is actually a constitution free zone in which they can execute search and seizure for national asserts this means that right now sitting in my home in cambridge massachusetts agents could walk in the door and see my belongings here as well if we let it go far they're going to be no stop to it and the a.c.l.u. is putting a firm stance out right now i'm supporting another fifteen miles from a supporter yeah there's a lot of people i know that would fall under that category too coming from california now i know the a.c.l.u. is behind you i know there's also been separate letters written to the justice department by a number of former politicians you have academics as well even have you know ex military veterans has there been any response from the d.o.j. at. no response whatsoever technically they have sixty days to respond before we go on to the next step and david a remarkably quiet i will say however that we filed circle freedom of information act requests trying to figure out what database i'm in that i keep getting stopped the border up to the seizure and we found that i'm

in the government's tech stated based t.c.s. which is a treasury information database system used to try people as they travel abroad internationally now this database was used after nine eleven to find us but the terrorist trying to fly back to saudi arabia so the question is why is a government using these databases designed to catch terrorists on the logic it's working in the states and i don't see a good reason for it if there was any reason they would have to get warrants in my mind these exceptions have to be curbed now let's have a very good question that you bring up there and of course as we know there's a grand jury being formed in order to try to build a criminal case against we we know that bradley manning has been detained for over a year and are a lot of questions surrounding our we've been constantly covering that on this show and so i want to ask you now pertaining to bradley manning recently bradley manning's father actually said that he thinks you were just using manning up for your own fifteen minutes of fame and he claimed that manning actually told him that

himself he what's your response to that. i did stuff for the father and it was very alarming to me because through my last visit to miami manning bradley asked me that i come back and you told me if you really enjoyed our conversations in my mind it was completely out of the blue the fathers also said that he actually took me off the visitation list and he said that was also claiming that bradley had told them or some other authority had told him to be honest it's hard really getting a straight answer from the father what i can say is that him and bradley did not have a relationship to speak of and the historical past between bradley manning and his father has kind of been a whitewash by assad or the press recently i don't know if you saw the interview in which is father said that his son if he committed the crimes he's alleged to commit is that i think idiot and the father also said that he sometimes denies knowing bradley manning when asked in public so the question is is this the person really fit to be defending manning this individual who kicked him out of the house this individual who says his son is an idiot publicly i don't know a person true but in my mind i'm just doing what i can to support manning up keep

doing that despite with other stars and even a friend of bradley's even supporting him and i'm just curious as i said that they're building there is a grand jury going on in virginia we know there is a criminal case that's trying to bill we know that people's twitter accounts have been. entered by the government to get their information have they contacted you have you had any kind of subpoenaed to go to virginia at all. i have had some recent contact from the u.s. government i'm meeting with my lawyers tomorrow and i'll be able to get more robust statement after i get through that meeting with my lawyers so. there are some very big developments happening in and around boston hopefully later this week at war if you media well actually i think that's interesting that you mention developments around boston because i also saw in recent interviews of yours that the state department actually tried to bribe you if you would keep an eye on the hacker scene for you tell us more about that. very interesting actually soon as the wired

article broke in which. the whole situation was kind of laid out all these federal agents kind of descended on boston there was a state department there was the f.b.i. there was army cod and they started visiting the less frequently more contacts of manning trying to wideman and that included myself so they came to my health are we sitting in state departments and i had army security official look me in the eye and say i will offer you a very large cash reward if you keep your ear to the ground about wiki leaks at a boston hacker scene and that was a point which i actually didn't want to leave because it's one thing for the u.s. government to come to my town to start harassing my friends and circling around surveilling all of us and it's definitely another thing to try to turn us against each other and put it under surveillance i thought it committed no crime whatsoever i would stand for these tactics and no one else i don't think so lastly since you brought it up turning hackers or people against each other i just want to know what you thought of that p.b.s. documentary about wiki leaks then for adrian lamo because they really made it seem like the guy was really struggle between what you do and whether one was the right

thing or the wrong thing. well adrian almost kind of a nobody in this situation i mean he is a felon is a government form and be someone that we really should be giving airtime to his opinions don't really not all of us and i would say that was a very interesting is that he tried to embroil the boston hacker scene into some kind of espionage charge minded by running one of limos casts spin narratives that someone in boston had actually helped bradley manning be documents and this is an obvious attempt in my mind to further put pressure on manning up to this in boston and to did attempt to intimidate people in boston or actually speaking about bradley manning and i can tell you my friends were very alarmed after hearing and unsourced claim on p.b.s. frontline we had somehow had something to do with the document leak it's a very alarming and i don't know why p.b.s. frontline would run these unsourced claims i'm very disappointed in their their team can i thank you very much for joining us and i and i think keep us updated on higher last.