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welcome back to the big picture i'm tom hartman coming up in this half hour protesters fed up with the nation's failing to health care system thirteen was streets in d.c. today calling for health care and out of warfare people from one of the organization organizers president crowds of america join me on the show to explain their cause plus l. is liberalism a longtime staple in children's programming is slammed by news accused of anything kids' minds fairness equality and diversity how dare they and children are known to

be very honest for example a group of arkansas a middle school students composed a top five worst people of all time list grizz ulcer stuff. yes they we took a look at the health care in our ward. your campaign carried out by the national nurses united of the progressive democrats of america campaign is raising awareness about our deteriorating health care system it's bankrupting millions of americans and leaving them sick with nowhere to go and while this is going on our nation is spending hundreds of billions of dollars on endless wars in the middle east so the choice is pretty simple if we keep funding black hole wars or start making americans healthy again without a national nurses united progressive democrats of america took their message to the streets of washington d.c. demonstrations were held outside the white house congress and the u.s. chamber of commerce also and in attendance were high profile community leaders and lawmakers including senators bernie sanders barbara boxer if bill c.i.a.o.

president richard trumka for more on this day of action and where we all go from here i'm joined by three members of progressive democrats of america norman solomon smith and tim carpenter welcome to all of you here we thank you for first of all what happened today tim you're the the the big cheese if you. hope you're not the swiss cheese you know today was the culmination of a week of activity and for many of us the letter that we sent to the u.s. senate regarding the number of troops that the president will be announcing in regards to afghanistan account that we wanted to make the connection today of what that number means in real terms and how we can take those numbers and have them work for us in other words taking the money that's being spent on those troops and moving them over to the message of the economy specifically on health care so today we we were outside and rallied and then we went into the lobby but before that we're at the chamber of commerce i'm talking to people it's got it's also it's also having the chamber of putting it up the last of the tuber congress so if you have

if you have there's a lot of interest if you have ever the markets to a thousand nurses you've never really experienced a protest i think the way it needs to be done at washington d.c. and thank goodness that progressive democrats got to do that today and we were able to have the nurses gather in lafayette park and walk across the street a thousand of. i'm carrying signs and yelling hey chamber you can't hide we can see your greedy side they were a little. park police and the secret service d.c.'s police were a little bit perplexed at how to handle a thousand nervousness wofully walking across the street chant to get out the chamber which was wonderful it was wonderful energy and great to have p.t.a. be there and to join forces and letting folks know we're not going to we're not going to take it anymore where the resources of this country are stripped away from main street and given to wall street to wall street since as you point out so often time doing so much better than the rest of us are doing and it's not right it's not

fair and it could be changed norman solomon you want to recent articles you wrote about permanent war psychology in the permanent work on me is that where we're at now and how long we've been in that if so in that spot but we're ten years into it wall the wall the permanent work i mean i think of it as the sort of repetition compulsion disorder of a warfare state and really when you think about the words we've been in repeatedly for several decades but of course since nine eleven just the notion that work should never and could never end it's perpetual we're going to get the terrorists well there's always going to be among six seven eight billion people plenty of terrorists as john stockwell former cia agent said back in the eighty's if you're in search of enemies you're going to find them and really stunning to me i was in afghanistan almost two years ago on a trip to kabul how expensive it is and human cost one million dollars for one soldier in afghanistan for one year meanwhile we don't have health care in our own communities and we have one hundred thousand soldiers there one hundred thousand

million dollars that could be spent here you know geez a billion dollars a lot of money i mean that's even like a serious cancer treatment for several people i would think so absolutely i mean back of beyond all of its one hundred billion with a b. dollars every year just to keep the troops in afghanistan bernie sanders today speaking on the shot. the capital this wonderful rally with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of nurses used to stat which i think is mind blowing he pointed out that four hundred individuals in the united states have more well then one hundred fifty million individuals like the bottom half of the american income and asset ladder which is just oligarchies and its incredible economic apartheid but those stats reflect donahue speaking of that those stats and poverty and disease and the challenges associated with being broken being sick you were in michael moore's movie sicko and i'm sure that your life is changed considerably as

a consequence of that you're now pretty much a full time activist of the so tell us. what you've learned from that experience and how america has changed since sicko came out. well i've learned a lot in that i've learned how to advocate perhaps more effectively with more of my friends advocating for a change that has to come satellite said like the health care system has not changed such that the people who were in circle could just be featured again in a new sicko i'm the lucky one from the film of all the patients stories that michael moore told in that film i'm the only one whose life has significantly it may have been a positive way since that time but it's totally because i've been associated with the progressive democrats i was hired by the nurses to work for them all the other people the conditions that made them perfect fodder for that film would it could still happen today i was sharing with norman who i'm proud to say as my co-chair of the healthcare not worth air campaign i was sharing with him the success take that

i did because it's obviously troubling to me that people still go bankrupt with insurance in this country because of health care crisis today and every single day in this nation twenty seven hundred americans will go bankrupt because of health care crisis and i wrote a blog this week called stained but blamed for the. state and i want to share just briefly from that if you can give me just a moment to do that i heard a report on n.p.r. few days ago about the i.m.f. chief who is accused of sexual assault and so forth they talked about how the defense team will be trying to muddy up the person who accused him of rape and they talked about the fact that the first thing they will look at with that victim is has she declared bankruptcy. just just the specter of someone having declared bankruptcy in this country has such a stain on that power on their whole lives and what people think of them it's the way we're raised cultural right and the leading cause of bankruptcy in the united

states is i guess a crisis medical crisis tim tim carpenter progressive democrats of america that's where the big that's is in the democratic party why work within the party with progressive democrats of america as opposed to starting a third party a fourth party a fifth already standing outside the party throwing stones. violently joy metaphorically you know why work within within the democratic side and outside which unique about progressive democrats of america progress as first democrats second both inside and outside the democratic party the reality is we have a you party system we're the insurgency we're not the democratic party where the progressives are the ones working with the progressive caucus eighty three members that are currently working right now to make sure that we get out of afghanistan are fighting for single payer who work both inside out so that's an important distinction we have to bring the street to work that many of the nurses have been doing in regards to single payer house to come to the halls of congress that's why we're three sanders today and the work that he's doing with his senate bill we have to work as progress is inside the party as it insurgency to get the party back to

where you know it can be we're celebrating unfortunately a horrific anniversary forty three years since bobby kennedy was assassinated he symbolizes i think most of what progressive democrats americans are about is to transform our party we're not celebrating about the kennedy today or remembering about the kennedy that had the wiretaps of martin luther king but the bobby kennedy that led was the only white person that could speak to my. the dr king was assassinated or the bobby kennedy that stood with cesar chavez not the one that was in the senate hearings with senator joseph mccarthy we're about transforming the party to get back to that progressive majority that we know so much the party's about we want to get back to what harry truman promised that's not what this rally was about and get back for health care is a right that all of us have got so we work with inside and outside the party we believe in saudi elect a progressive democratic majority we're not there we have a lot of work simply electing democrats isn't going to do it we have to elect progressive democrats again a progressive caucus led by roll from tucson and from keith ellison of minnesota those are the folks that we're working with that are making a difference inside and outside our party sort of remarkable tim donohoe norm and

thank you all for being here and tensioners very very much thank you so much for the time between now and the twenty twelve elections as one of those crucial times for the american middle class and perhaps the history of our nation need to get out there and get active to stop the republicans anti working class agenda in its tracks and we're about a new new deal to reboot the american little. viewer of the left wing subsocieties three conspiracy that's right move over n.p.r. some on the right are accusing sesame street of being a liberal propaganda outlet yes i'm talking about the sesame street when we grew up on some was raised our kids up lawyer ben shapiro is hyping up a new book that explains and examines this liberal biased spewing from the likes of the cookie monster he was the other day and sean hannity's fox news show i mean i talk i talked to one of the guys who was at children's television workshop originally and he said that the whole purpose of sesame street was to cater to

black and hispanic youths who quote unquote did not have reading literature in the house there's kind of this soft bigotry of low expectations that it's automatically associate with sesame street and by the way it's going to sesame street website it's ox about when you bring up your child make sure the e.u.'s gender neutral language make sure that you keep your boys souls and make sure that you get your girls firetrucks you always knew something was up with bernie ben shapiro joins me now he's an attorney and the author of the new book primetime propaganda then welcome. i think so much for having me so how many children are subverted every year by sesame street. i don't mean that's really the question i think the question is why sesame street has any sort of agenda at all i mean this children's entertainment television and by the way i love the left's focus on sesame street in the book community takes up all of a page and a half they're currently ignoring the vast quantities of tapes have poured onto the internet of people in hollywood claiming that yes there is discrimination against conservatives admitting it celebrating it and people talking about how the message

shows in particularly egregious ways but everyone wants to focus on sesame street so that's fine we'll do that you know let's let's go down that road the in rather you'd rather travel here you write the conservatives have to overcome a presumption this is your language to overcome a presumption of incompetence cruelty and heavy handed and a quote from you after bush's wars and torture heckuva job brownie incompetence and shock doctrine efforts like paul ryan taking apart medicare scott walker taking apart unions and rick snyder taking apart cities how can we have or have any other notion of conservatives come on really everybody who's a conservative is just evil and bigoted and everybody who's conservative who supported president bush wants to kill brown dawn you and everybody is in your language of competence cruelty and heavy handedness tell me that that's not that's the beloved people in the us because people on the left in hollywood are bigots period they they will not hire you if they look on line and they find out that you gave money for example to the prop eight effort now what does that have to do with

your ability to write a good show it has nothing to do with it discrimination in any form is wrong in hollywood that's the gay straight left right you should be able to work so conservative shows can make a hundred twenty four good to be a. looks he was absolutely can make it but the people in position to greenlight don't greenlight conservative shows and the people in the position to make shows like twenty four are generally of the left is an exception to a massive rule ok so if there are so few others and so few conservatives show successful consumer survey shows and looking at the failure of atlas shrugged in the movie theaters do you want the government to come into three hundred military and service. no i want to think that the free market needs to first of all i think advertisers need to start recognizing that there's a demographic outside the eighteen to thirty five per hour and i think that they need to recognize there's a demographic outside the eighteen to forty nine crowd namely everybody who's fifty and above who actually has expendable income in this country everybody who actually has savings in this country and the fact is that programming is almost exclusively

dedicated to the eighteen to thirty five eight hundred forty nine they tend to be more liberal that's the market reason why television has stayed tend to be more liberal and it's the old people who are out there going hey wait a minute paul ryan get get away from my medicare i mean it's the old little you look at the polls and they are to look at the broad matter and it's very clear that older people tend to vote republican more often than younger people i don't think that's going to happen next year. well you may think that that's going to massively change but it's not going to turn that we just had an election in which republicans won overwhelmingly if you want to say that there's going to shift next year may you know maybe you're right maybe i just don't know what i'm doing because the election that we just had in new york twenty six do you think that we should have quarters or affirmative action for conservatives in holland no i don't i don't thing which of course of affirmative action i just think the discrimination should should be unacceptable in hollywood i think what it what these guys should be is their business you hired these are these people who are they want to yes they want to make money right and so if they're looked at on a yacht it's and they're looking at people working in their industry they're saying

you know the conservative products don't make money because they don't sell doesn't that show that that the american people are rejecting conservative ideas that the first of all that's a nonsense conservative products to make money can sort of product does sell because the show is a relatively conservative show mostly. it will show in television history and the christ it incredibly well well produced film ok so that that our isn't that your argument but there's that there's there's no place in hollywood for a conservative judge you just you just identified in say there's no place in hollywood for conservatives shows i just said that they're marginalized i mean if you pick two shows out of literally hundreds that doesn't report the presumption that there is a massive liberal bias in television which there is in by the way again when you said everybody is focused on the money not everybody is focused on the money i've been releasing all week of people saying that they have a social justice agenda when it comes to television now you know that's their prerogative you're allowed to have a social justice agenda but don't claim that the market is exclusively for leftist material and tell their uses are you saying that conservatives are opposed to social justice. and i'm saying that social justice is

a buzzword i mean i think in social justice it's a whole package of policies to which conservatives generally are opposed yes wow that's that's that's that's pretty horrific i just it was were it doesn't mean anything to find social justice for me and then i'll tell you whether conservatives are opposed to it or not as a buzzword yes i know you know even in the concept of due process. it's not as easy as the real of course conservatives are for equal rights for all and of course conservatives are actually not i don't know when we get beyond the buzz word under ronald reagan kid named policies of the campaign he went to philadelphia mississippi as a little town of about a thousand people went to philadelphia mississippi to open his presidential campaign and give a speech on states' rights and you know what happened in philadelphia mississippi you have you have three or four civil rights workers murdered there it's the only reason he went there and he gave the speech on civil rights it was he kicked off his presidential campaign by saying basically he was pitching to the to the to the

races soon the south so that you. i don't know who i'm being asked to defend here or why i'm being asked to develop and i'm not the only member of john this is the antithesis of of you know this is ronald reagan this is the antithesis of social justice is is dog whistle calls to to to bigots basically but what does this have to do with anything that i'm talking about well i think that you know fighting racism is part of the social justice thing and ronald reagan opened and i'm all for fighting racism in a way said outside of the buzzword of social justice i mean the idea the idea of social justice it's a term that is frequently used by the left and it's generally used to mean things like pro-choice it's generally used to mean things like big government is generally used to mean things like nationalized health care those are things which right wingers are opposed to if you want to put racism in the social justice basket then of course we'll proceed if you want but anti-racism in social justice basket than at that aspect of social justice obviously conservatives are very much for the let's let's break down the time because the term itself they don't really use the media to get content if you like the term but not the way it's been used you should

reclaim it i don't know ben thank you for being with us tonight it's appreciate it thanks for having me. it's time for a daily poll your chance to tell us what you think here's today's question is sesame street a liberal propaganda outlet your choices are yes i always knew there was something wrong about burton bernie or no encouraging homosexuality is not a sesame street agenda log on to tom hartman dot com to let us know what you think hold up until tomorrow morning. coming up we all know kids say the darndest things i did there were a group of arkansas tweens that were so. let's

not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think. even one well. whatever government says they're keep you safe get ready because of their freedom. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you think you understand it and then you glimpse something

else here sees some other part of it and realized everything you thought you don't know i'm tom hardy is a big picture. yeah that would be the good the bad of the very very american woman iupui ugly the good

the organization full america the diverse religious group is getting catered to a number of progressive causes such as eliminating poverty kirby global warming and restoring human rights both at home and abroad but also committed to exposing paul ryan's budget for what it is hateful america said the ryan plan reflects iran's love of greed and contempt for the weak by giving huge tax breaks to millionaires while making deep and harmful cuts to programs that protect seniors struggling families and the middle class well said the publicans and even sold their religious supporters up the creek just to cater to millionaire and billionaire campaign donors the bad herman cain the republican presidential hopeful who previously put his foot in his mouth by saying he's uncomfortable with the idea of appointing muslims jews added should he be elected president was asked by think progress. yesterday if you felt the same way about gays take a look. at this or can you recently put under fire for your comments about the

chronicle you would apply to your partner or do you keep her still prince home. or qualified to curse that you know your kind will go wow what a reasonable answer except for the fact that cain kept talking. oh no problem with an openly gay person because who should be alone. of course herman cain only supports gays insofar as they're a defense against shari'a law i think he should stick to making pizzas and a very very ugly tim called lunch after announcing his presidential run poll once he unveiled his deficit reduction plan called the better deal in it politely argues that the government shouldn't perform any services that you can find i'm google he said if you can find a good or service on the internet then the federal government probably doesn't need to be doing it the post office the government printing office amtrak fannie mae

freddie mac. all built in a time in our country and the private sector did not adequately provide those products as no longer the case well other things you can find on google private security military contractors private education construction work health care for seniors food safety kids' retirement plans so does that mean the government shouldn't be providing any of that stuff either i mean yes second part is simple and he's better deal is to require students to pledge allegiance to the flag of google every morning in their google provided schools and that's very very. close to you probably remember the classic t.v. show kids say the darndest things is hosted back in the day by our link. linkletter and later reprised by bill cosby but it was mostly a comedy show was often highlighted by poignant responses from kids who view the

world to refresh in lee candid and truthful way in fact before every show art linkletter said this about why he interviewed kids and why the show works take a look i've been talking to people on radio and television for nineteen years and i found that the more better thing and the best interviews are with a lady over eighty and with children under pam and for the same reason they tell your crew without fear or favor they answer any question you want to know they tell you the truth without fear or favor that's unlike a politician who tells you what he needs to say to get reelected that's unlike a business person who tells you what they need to say to sell a product that's unlike a religious leader who tells you what he believes based on his dog a kid is like a blank slate viewing the world with clarity and without the jaded experiences that cause most of us to shrug our shoulders and say it's just the way to always know it always was the way it is kids will even challenge power without realizing it or the

story about the little boy pointed out that the cane wasn't wearing any clothes case in point russellville middle school in arkansas a controversy exploded at the school and it was discovered the students slipped a not so politically correct top five list into the school yearbook without their teachers noticing the list was titled the top five worst people of all time and the top three were the usual suspects adolf hitler osama bin laden and charles manson becoming in numbers four and five on the list george w. bush and dick cheney again this was a list put in the yearbook by students as you can imagine republican parents were outraged but since the yearbooks had already gone to print a little could be done about it but to put a piece of black tape over the list something that could be easily removed and in the end someone at the school probably lose their job over this. which is a shame because as art linkletter told us kids have a knack of telling the truth instead of this missing what they say it we should dig

a little deeper and figure out why they said it and by looking at this list they created it's clear that the students and he quoted violence and warfare with evil after all these kids historical knowledge there was the horror of war two in the hall and the holocaust and in their own lifetimes there are the horrors visited upon the united states by bin laden and the terrors dumped on iraq and afghanistan but bush and cheney the emperors who kids see as nakedly evil whose crimes too many adults including our president refused to acknowledge and their patriotism or politics or religion may distort how our view of things works and render unimaginable the thought of a us president and vice president belong in the same list as mass murderers terrorists and psychopathic killers kids don't have that same filter they just see things as they are and frankly the rest of us should pay closer attention to their observations. as the big picture for more information on the stories we covered

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