all right we got to take a break but coming up next we have our selling tell segment and a new study that says that one for hackers are also f.b.i. and form itself are going to take a look to see if the true or not. internet only or military mechanisms to deal with the tipping justice are accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok if you don't i'm trying hard look at the big picture.

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our it's time for show and tell on tonight's program last time we told you about a recent u.n. report that said the access to the internet should be considered a human right so did you agree let's go to producer patrice in a sente to find out what our viewers have to say. well there are many governments in the world who may disagree with the un's report we want to know what people have to say on twitter we heard from solar power who said an informed public is needed to have a democracy internet provide that information most viewers raise that same point but yet you've been disagreed believing the report is

a bit over the top he said the internet isn't any more of a human right than television radio going to the movies or having a library card so your dingley said it is not really a human right they meaning the un are mixing up the right information with the rights of the internet finally there was adam who felt he had a good way to effect change he said if we use all of the money we spent in libya for i phones hundreds of thousands of people could have access to the web it's a good point adam so this is my take well people and governments around the world will interpret this report in whatever light they want if the u.n. really believes access the internet is a human right then it needs to do more than just write a report we need stronger programs to deliver the internet to people around the world and for stronger penalties against governments who stand in the way. now as always thanks for your responses and here is our next topic for you we just discussed leon panetta taking over the job of secretary. defense now as

a former own b. guy a lot of people think the president is going to take on the defense budget but is it really that easy so i want to know what you think with leon panetta as secretary of defense will we see any real cuts at the pentagon you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and who knows the response just might make it on air . is. the line come down. so last you liar is going to be singing. oh. well tonight we have a glimmer of hope that's right it seems like a few lawmakers are putting their foot down against warrantless g.p.s. traffic to track you see here on the show we brought you several stories about individuals who discovered strange devices attached to the underside of their cars usually in the shape of a pipe bomb and it turns out they're often g.p.s. trackers even by law enforcement or even the f.b.i. to keep tabs on quote suspicious individuals the worst part here is that in most

cases a warrant isn't required for the feds to struck one of these devices on your vehicle but people have been catching on individual court cases have been popping up nationwide over the ability of the feds to utilize these warrantless g.p.s. trackers without a warrant and it's something that the obama administration is all for by the way that will no warrant necessary approach but i think that a few politicians out there are finally calling a bluff on the whole thing representative jason shape this of utah and senator ron wyden of oregon are proposing the geological survey once and a privacy act aka the g.p.s. that now this bill would require any individual or law enforcement to obtain a warrant before being able to track a person's location and that means that g.p.s. cell phones any other electronic devices as of now the bill says that anyone who violates this proposition will face criminal penalties and that includes cellphone companies who share customers location data without consent and while this bill probably has no chance of passing at least at the very least we'll go through. a

million stages of amendments it is a step in the right direction senator wyden has been an outspoken opponent to the protect ip act that's the one that gives the government way more power when it comes to seizing domains all in the name of piracy and congressman shape it's talked of his bill at a personal democracy forum earlier this week where he explained the law enforcement has traveled all over the fourth amendment and when he went on to say i think the american public deserves and expects a degree of personal privacy we in america don't work on a presumption of guilt about we do when it comes to all those people we lock up in guantanamo bay or a target for assassinations abroad but of the whole different story believe there are people in washington that are standing up to the ever increasing measures to strip americans of their privacy and call me silly i know the bills probably fail but at least it gives me some sense that maybe not every single politician out there wants to take away all your rights and give up on the constitution and that is a true glimmer of hope. now in recent months there have been a lot of hackers making the news you know we've been covering it here in the antics

of anonymous and now low security it's a very mysterious world we're revealing your identity could get you landed in jail but how many times is a threat of jail actually lead hackers to turn in others in their community according to an investigation done by the guardian the underground world of computer hackers has been so thoroughly infiltrated in the u.s. by the f.b.i. in the secret service that it's now riddled with paranoia and mistrust and they estimate that one in four hackers is now working with the f.b.i. and secretly informing on their peers so how much of that is truth and how much of it is just an attempt to save face in a very public hacks keep happening joining me from our studio in new york is john young who runs the document leaking site cryptome dot org john thank you so much for joining us tonight. now johnny you've been in the game for quite a long time and i think that it's easy for anybody to assume that there is a lot of paranoia there's a lot of mistrust that goes along with being somebody who's a hacker who has to hide their identity from the feds often because you think that

has gotten worse is there more mistrust more paranoia at least that's popped up in the last couple years now that the feds have i guess more intelligence gathering capabilities. well what is happening is that paranoia and suspicion has actually started to be constructive but hackers are quite aware that they've been infiltrated from day one the internet has been infiltrated from day one. and so that hackers have been adjusting to this all along and there is back and forth there are people who are working multiple sides working for commerce working for the feds working for their own private gain so this has been something of a very complicated bizarre this going been going on since the internet became public moved out of the government realm so this is not new and it's quite sophisticated some people are engaged in criminal activities some of you know gauge in activist activities of engagement educational activities but what's most interesting to me has been watching this is is the new crop of young troops who are

taking to this world with great zeal and they are becoming quite adept at understanding the internet in ways that their adults do not understand if their parents don't understand it and they're certainly better at it than the f.b.i. so the f.b.i. is learning from the showing through is about how the system can be used in ways it was never intended to be used here it was set up to be a mechanism for government to communicate and they allowed the public in but now the public is starting to take over and using it in ways the government never expected to happen so they're running behind the curve because youngsters are far more if you think government which is basically crippled bob bureaucracy. and the senior people not knowing as much as the lower level people so the hackers are should be looked at as an innovative group there to cry to construct a group. becomes stronger do you think that we're seeing it to the to the extent that the guardian is reporting here that one in four hikers or i guess you could say twenty five i try to five percent of the community is actually an f.b.i. informant or is. that an exaggeration or is that just

a bad ass comment because like you said it's such a complicated web. well i spoke to a reporter in a story on this concept according to harper said but it's not that simple they left out a lot of material that i gave them about a more complicated situation so this was the headline they use and while you can store it there it should not it should not stop at that. there are a number of books have been written and a number of people spoken about this and it's considerably more complicated than the guardian could be. but it's a story at least gets interest built up so the paranoia and suspicion. is not all there is to it it's all learning process and so the peril of suspicion means that old ways of looking at things are being overturned and should be looked at not as an evil force but yet the un has tried to shut down but as a learning force the inspectors learning from you know the guardian did cover that . and so these hackers are actually more adept at using the internet and government officials are so we need to learn from that right now they're being demonized for

who knows what reason because often newcomers are demonized but they are actually up to some good stuff so you're i guess supporting what maybe these groups when you're talking about these youngsters are the new people are you talking about groups like anonymous and michael security and what they're doing because they seem to have a kind of a playful it's own about them some of the hacks if you are of a political nature we haven't really seen a lot of malicious hacks you know for example like the hack and we thought citibank today where tens of thousands of customers lost all their personal data i think of us are different things. well i should not underestimate understate the seriousness of criminal hackers i was here a great many they're happy to have this kind of diversion from what they're up to there are highly organized crime against working good or bad and they too are hackers. understand that the f.b.i. is going out for the criminal hackers of the the ones who are doing it relatively playful things are not the f.b.i.'s concern so what we do know that is

a guy who is going after going after anonymous for example we know they raided about forty homes here in the u.s. that they made a few arrests in the u.k. that they're building on a criminal investigation and a grand jury in los angeles and after i guess you know of course you can say that what they did was criminal when it came to stopping at the business out of master card and of paper but that's not something that i would really consider malicious but john i'm just wondering what is it that the government could do is there anything and the government could do to actually bring these people to them to get them to help not just as an informant that's actually want to work for the f.b.i. well as a few doing that kevin folsom has written a book about this i three is more cooperation among hackers and the f.b.i. than the public is aware of and so this notion of paranoid suspicion is has to be taken with a grain of salt there's actually more cooperation going on some of the hackers are working against the criminal gangs and the thing is is that right now some of these

investigations or publicity stunts that there's serious work going on in the background in the hacker world idea world and there's some serious investigation going on that these stunts don't help with. why i think there's definitely a there's definitely a little bit of a barest met right now i think on the f.b.i.'s part because of some of the hacks that we've seen especially from little security where they go after the f.b.i. affiliates that are the ones that are supposed to fake the government to tell them how secure their websites are but it turns out these security firms aren't all that secure themselves but it's definitely a very interesting thing for the rest of us that are the non hackers to continue to watch and we will do that john i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight . as still to come on tonight shell presidential candidate again who knows after gay rights and then complains when gay rights activists say at that point i told my man and then stick around for happy hour stay cracked down on offensive online pictures but not ban almost everything on the internet plus

a mother gives her seven year old a valid shirt for a future boob job got a lot of coverage of the me. into it only when there were three mechanisms to do the work up to bring justice and accountability. i have every right to know what my government would you want to know why i think taxes. i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse

something else and here's some other part of it and realize that everything is. going to charge welcomes the big picture. let's not forget that we have an apartheid regime right here. i think the beautiful and well. we have the government says they're for keep you safe.

i did sacrifice filth on the ward and tonight because the two thousand and twelve presidential hopeful rick santorum the by all accounts a rate does not have a chance of winning the g.o.p. nomination was tossed out of the side of the few years ago and since then it's basically made a living talking on fox news so in an attempt to attract media attention other than fox news when it doesn't say all sorts of crazy stuff in interviews and on the

campaign trail actually in the last week he claimed that global warming is a hoax and he called for abortion to be outlawed i guess those of the pretty average conservative talking points when you think about it but i still think it's crazy and then the last night during an interview on c.n.n. rick was asked about gay marriage i support a constitutional amendment to be on same sex marriage i think that it marriage should be a consistent thing across the country marriage is the union of one man and one woman it's essential for the family is essential for the stability of our of our culture to to make sure that children are given the best hope which is a mom and a dad and. now rick believes that there should be a constitutional amendment to keep gays from marrying and its position puts him squarely at odds with the general public in fact a recent poll found that fifty one percent of americans believe that same sex couples should be able to marry and that support is growing each day and many believe the record you'll be is pretty much lost this argument on same sex marriage

but rick has a very long history of attacking gay rights and once again rights activist decided to get even if you googled the world santorum i suggest you do that and the result is probably going to make you laugh no i can't read the definition that comes up on google at least not on t.v. but i want to censor myself let me just explain it santorum in a more simple way the santorum happens when two people really really love each other and when they gauge and activities with no clothes on most of the time this particular act happens between two men but not always and now one person is usually behind the other person and during that process of loving each other a byproduct is made and that by products is santorum that's the p.g. version that i can talk about on t.v. but again you could always use google santorum for yourself it's pretty entertaining now just this morning candidate rick santorum was asked about his little google problem on m.s.n. b.c. . well. he comes with the territory when you're out there sorts of there are

vall people out there who do you horrible things of my responsibility is to go out and and talk about the issues that i care about it's unfortunate that some people thought that they would be a bit of a big joke too to make fun of my mean rick says the vile people do horrible things you know rick i agree like saying gave marriage is going to lead to a man of the dog having sex or blaming gays for the entire catholic church church sex scandal those are just a few pretty vile comments made by rick santorum himself and that's why he's tonight's tools i wear. ok it's time for happy hour and joining me this evening as our producer jenny churchill and jake brewer founder of realist idealist labs. isn't such

a thing of the realist idealism that's been frank will say that mean well you're. not as good i'm just giving you a hard time because i think there is seriously something wrong with the state you come from oh i guess i read about this we're doing these stories about just some bizarre piece of legislation that makes no sense things like of course legislating against shari'a which doesn't even exist and saying that any way like more than one person or any two people who is caught spraying. them is considered to be a sure reorganization but where is the rock a little as well as there's a bunch of laws in this one basically says it's now considered a misdemeanor or harassment punishable by up to one year in jail and fines of up to twenty five hundred dollars eve anybody sees a picture that you posted online which can frighten intimidate or cause emotional distress by actually after every single thing i really i mean everybody going appendage are scared frightened about something. actually as

a direct. effect of burrs and are not. you'd be surprised actually i also heard from a state by the way that prides itself on its own you know like don't mess with our stuff you know don't don't touch our our people i actually think it's a response to mole of madness dot com. they were so emotional i just told her i saw you at wal-mart. you know i've been to wal-mart and i've seen a lot of all it's and i think people are just a little are going to go to wal-mart is that i wal-mart that stuff is actually kind of offensive and gary and i know you go short of cherry because this is obviously people trying to deal with regulating something that they clearly don't understand and because they have no clue how to regulate it they just make everything so vague that you would have not being able to do anything luckily we have a constitution and hopefully this whole thing will be ruled unconstitutional because there's no way to just ban any kind of picture on the internet that might

offend somebody at some point you know we have this freedom of speech and i think that it should apply to putting pictures of what everyone should require to have a one developer programmer in every state legislature so they can explain what these rules are i think is a fabulous you know actually because we always talk about how we just i don't know aging college students that are trying to grapple with the internet and all the challenges that it poses and they always just managed to screw things up but let's actually move on to this next story which has to do with the internet and posting pictures on there which is kind of interesting here's a woman who is going through a nasty divorce with her husband and so she decided just for kicks to make a fake profile online pretending that she was a teenage girl and she friended her husband and she not only found out her husband was tracking her with a g.p.s. device but also that he may have been trying to kill or this is what he said to do to the girl once she is gone i don't have to hide with my kids i can do what i want and not have to worry about seeing my family anymore you should find someone at your school there should be some gang bangers there that would put a cap that are asked for ten thousand dollars i'm done with her grab. and you can

tell you can totally tell the guy. isn't actually trying to have her killed you just want to know who are the idol growing again big how i can totally tell you don't read my emails thank you and up to date i've said that it doesn't has assigned alpha david frum before all of this stuff happened oh say i didn't read that email this girlfriend had me i think it's my wife i'm going to play a trick on her to make her look bad in the kotzebue. he didn't do anything he's actually a kind of creepy mastermind creepy and i would say guilty of first degree printing like premeditated yes serious i'm going to screw with your head printing but otherwise you know what i do what i have heard obviously these people need to get divorced or they just need to stay there because there are loads of fun trying to scurry each other over i want to see or do you know the board is going to create a fake account i want to be in the courtroom for this custody battle i like those cases let's remember that if you go running like i'm not really running for the chair to be dirty. like ten years ago strip grew up with there were it's ok

next to. this is just messed up so very talked about a mom that was giving her eight year old actually under the being a fake story supposedly botox and stuff and now there's the barbie mom who just gave her daughter a voucher for ten thousand dollars her daughter just turned seven to get a boob job when she turns seventeen and just to give you you know a little taste of what his mom is really like take a look at some of the other stuff that she's time. outraged parents and child advocates by teaching her young daughter to pole dance sarah bird says it's a great bonding exercise for the former playboy bunny and seven year old bird who runs a swingers club is no stranger to controversy either just a few months ago she was criticized for allowing her fifteen year old daughter to have botox injections because the teenager was worried about getting wrinkles. if mothers crazy i mean it in our legal about it is all about your spouse the paper

but there's a saying actually i hope young girls watching out there i just i have a message for you know this honey your mom is not attractive she's really really not attractive so don't don't follow in her ways that's all i got. as far as you know how much money she just that trying to me is real don't know what interactiveness that's what she's got a sure. sign you know the phrase no no no i mean i have to say that to me if i was seven that would be the worst gift ever it's such a non get i don't get your hearing you bring your bar do you and your b.s. huge boobs you know get to do anything with it for ten years they start friends that we get on for college for for the birth and be like i'm still excited that's really lame i got something i can use today will my words he said do that you know they would give me a little buddy you like for savings or my grandmother did i wasn't able to access till i was eighteen and at least through those in the back of my mind i knew that

it was there but you know i guess maybe a polemic obviously because then you could actually get something other than a girl love sports and i just got to believe that like happened to double d's doesn't actually help perform on this particular i don't know i've never really had by the time she seventeen. anyways but that mom should be doing something serious that's craziness. generally so yes you're going to be the last thing going on is there are three here and it's all the theory and it's fun. of course a builder a conference judge ation i got my mind around austin and. my for have to do and i think you know somebody stole that last year it was in siege is in spain and we actually spoke to our correspondent and now it seems that more eats in switzerland and i mean i just wish i just love would love to know what's going on here you know everybody calls it such a conspiratorial story but if they weren't so secret about it then we wouldn't have to conspire about what might be going and i was looking and some of wrote

a book about it where they interviewed passed gas and there are no i really don't understand why everyone thinks that it's such a conspiracy and why they think something bad is going on and mike ok you're holding a conference with some of the most influential people in the world behind closed doors and then you wonder why people think something's up what's basically the most influential the richest people don't all shut down an entire resort city and never tell you that we're going to go you know i i think it's great though that they're doing this because look i mean they're there to discuss the challenges of the world and what better place to really understand the challenges that people are facing in a castle in which a lot i think that is receiving coal really well i don't know man i think we've made their actions such that if you've got to wrap it up your guy richest man coming out of the decision ok but it is so thanks for joining in admiration the come back tomorrow radio host david taxman is going to be joining us from our studio in new york on the meantime go for if you can the fan appeal or show on facebook and follow us on twitter if you missed any of the night's show or any other night you can always catch all the you tube dot com plus the honors show plus

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