all right we got to take a break but coming up next we have our show intel segment and a new study that says that one in four hackers are also f.b.i. informant celebrating to take a look to see a particular shot. into that only military mechanisms if you don't work out to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then he glimpse something else you hear see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok you don't i'm sorry welcome to the big picture.

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all right it's time for show and tell on tonight's program the last time we told you about a recent u.n. report is that the access to the internet should be considered a human right so did you agree let's go to producer patrice in a sente to find out what our viewers have to say. well there are many governments in the world who may disagree with the un's report we want to know what people have to say on twitter we heard from solar power who said an informed public is needed to have a democracy internet provide that information most viewers raise that same point but yet you've been disagreed believing the report is

a bit over the top he said the internet isn't any more of a human right than television radio going to the movies or having a library card see or dingley said it is not really human right they meaning the un are mixing up the right information with the rights of the internet finally there was adam who felt he had a good way to effect change he said if we use all of the money we spent in libya for i phones hundreds of thousands of people could have access to the web it's a good point adam so this is my take well people and governments around the world will interpret this report in whatever light they want if the u.n. really believes access the internet is a human right that it needs to do more than just write a report we need stronger programs to deliver the internet to people around the world and for stronger penalties against governments who stand in the way. now as always thanks for your responses and here is our next topic for you we just discussed leon panetta taking over the job of secretary of defense. it's now as

a former own b. guy a lot of people think the president is going to take on the defense budget but is it really that easy so i want to know what you think with leon panetta as secretary of defense will we see any real cuts at the pentagon you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and who knows the response just might make it on air . this time. the line will come down. so fast you carriers will be saying. well tonight we have a glimmer of hope that's right it seems like a few lawmakers are putting their foot down against warrantless g.p.s. tracking tracking see here on the show we brought you several stories about individuals who discovered strange devices attached to the underside of their cars usually in the shape of a pipe bomb and it turns out they're often g.p.s. trackers used by law enforcement or even the f.b.i. to keep tabs on quote suspicious individuals the worst part here is that in most

cases a warrant isn't required for the feds to strike one of these devices on your vehicle but people have been catching on individual court cases have been popping up nationwide over the ability of the feds to utilize these warrantless g.p.s. trackers without a warrant and it's something that the obama administration is all for by the way that will go work necessary approach but i think that a few politicians out there are finally calling a bluff on the whole thing representative jason shape this of utah and senator ron wyden of oregon are proposing the geological survey once and a privacy act aka the g.p.s. that i was bill would require any individual or law enforcement to obtain a warrant before being able to track a person's location and that means that g.p.s. cell phones any other electronic devices as of now the bill says that anyone who violates this proposition with these criminal penalties and that includes cellphone companies who share customers location data without consent and while this bill probably has no chance of passing and at least at the very least will go through a million. gauges of amendments it is

a step in the right direction senator wyden is going to outspoken opponent to the protect ip act that's the one that gives the government way more power when it comes to seizing domains all in the name of piracy and congressman shape it's talked up his bill at a personal democracy forum earlier this week where he explained the law enforcement has traveled all over the fourth amendment and when he went on to say i think the american public deserves and expects a degree of personal privacy we in america don't work on a presumption of guilt about we do when it comes to all those people we lock up in guantanamo bay or a target for assassination is a broad but of the whole different story believe there are people in washington that are standing up to the ever increasing measures to strip americans of their privacy and call me silly i know the bills probably going to fail but at least it gives me some sense that maybe not every single politician out there wants to take away all your rights and give up on the constitution and that is a true glimmer of hope. now in recent months there have been a lot of hackers making the news you know we've been covering it here and the

antics of anonymous and now low security it's a very mysterious world revealing your identity could get you landed in jail but how many times a threat of jail actually lead hackers to turn in others in their community according to the best a geisha done by the guardian the underground world of computer hackers has been so thoroughly infiltrated in the u.s. by the f.b.i. and the secret service that it's now riddled with paranoia and mistrust and they estimate that one in four hackers is now working with the f.b.i. and secretly informing on their peers so how much of that is truth and how much of it is just an attempt to save face when a very public hacks keep happening joining me from our studio in new york is john gunn who runs the document leaking site cryptome dot org john thank you so much for joining us tonight. now johnny you've been in the game for quite a long time and i think that it's easy for anybody to assume that there's a lot of paranoia there's a lot of mistrust that goes along with being somebody who's a hacker who has to hide their identity from the feds often but do you think that

has gotten worse is there more mistrust more paranoia at least that's popped up in the last couple years now that the feds have i guess more intelligence gathering capabilities. well what has happened is that paranoia and suspicion has actually started to be constructive but hackers are quite aware that they've been infiltrated from day one the internet has been infiltrated from day one. and so that hackers have been adjusting to this all along and there is back and forth there are people who are working multiple sides working for commerce working for the feds working for their own private gain so this is been something of a very complicated bizarre this boy going on since the internet became public moved out of the government realm so this is not new it is quite sophisticated people are engaged in criminal activities some of gaijin activist activities on occasion and educational activities but what's most interesting to me has been watching this is is the new crop of young troops who are taking to this world with great zeal and

they are becoming quite adept at understanding the internet in ways that their adults do not understand if your parents don't understand it and they're certainly better at it than the f.b.i. so the f.b.i. is learning from the showing through is about how the system can be used in ways it was never intended to be used here it was set up to be a mechanism for government to communicate and they allowed the public in but now the public has started to take over the music in ways that government never expected to happen so they're running behind the curve because youngsters are far more into things government which is basically crippled by bureaucracy and. the senior people not knowing as much as the lower level people so the hackers are should be looked at as an innovative group that is quite a constructive group and maybe in fact become stronger do you think that we're seeing it to the extent that the party has a reporting here that one in four hikers or i guess you could say twenty five twenty five percent of the community is actually an f.b.i. informant or is that isn't that an exaggeration or is that just

a bad estimate because like you said it's such a complicated web. well i spoke to a reporter and has told this concept of twenty four percent but it's not that simple they left out a lot of material that i gave them about a more complicated situation so this was the headline they use and while you can store it there it should not it should not stop at that that there are a number of books have been written and a number of people spoken about this and it's considerably more complicated than the guardian made it out to be. but it's a story at least gets interest built up so the paranoia and suspicion. is not all there is to it it's a learning process and so the peril of suspicion means that old ways of looking at things are being overturned and should be looked at not as an evil force but yet the eye has tried to shut down but as a learning force so that there's learning from another guardian good cover that. and so these hackers are actually more adept at using the internet than government officials or so we need to learn from that right now they're being demonized for

who knows what reason because the newcomers are demonized but they've they're actually up to some good stuff so you're i guess supporting what maybe these groups when you're talking about these youngsters or the new people are you talking about groups like anonymous and michael security and what they're doing because they seem to have a bit of a playful tone about them some of the hacks that they do you are of a political nature we haven't really seen a lot of malicious hackers you know for example like the hacking we thought citibank today where tens of thousands of customers lost off their personal data i think of us are different things. well i should not underestimate understate the seriousness of criminal hackers i was here a great many they're happy to have this kind of diversion from what they're up to there are highly organized criminal gains we're going to have and they too are hackers. understand that they are beyond us going out for the criminal harker's of the the ones who are doing it realistically playful things are not the concern what

we do know that is the guy who's going after going after anonymous for example we know they raided about forty homes here in the u.s. that they made a few arrests and the u.k. that they're building a criminal investigation and a grand jury in los angeles and i guess you know of course you can say that what they did was criminal when it came to stopping at the business out of mastercard out of pay pal but that's not something that i would really consider malicious but john i'm just wondering what is it that the government could do is there anything the government could do to actually bring these people to them to get them to help not just as an informant that's actually want to work for the f.b.i. well the f.b.i. as i fear doing that kevin poulsen has written a book about this at their is more cooperation among others in the f.b.i. that the public is aware of and so this notion of paranoia and suspicion is has to be taken with a grain of salt there's actually more cooperation going on some hackers are working against the criminal gangs and the thing is is that right now some of these

investigations or publish the stunts that they're serious work going on in the background in the hacker world and you know the world and there's some serious investigation going on that these stunts don't help with. well i think there's definitely. there's definitely a little bit of embarrassment right now i think on the f.b.i.'s part because of some of the hacks we've seen especially from little security where they go after the f.b.i. affiliates that are the ones that are supposed to fake the government and tell them how secure their websites are but it turns out these security firms aren't all that secure themselves but it's definitely a very interesting thing for the rest of us that are the non hackers to continue to watch and we will do that john i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight . as still to come on tonight's shelf presidential candidate again he goes after gay rights and then complains when gay rights activists say that if i told my man i don't stick around for happy hour the state cracked down on offensive online pictures but from that day on almost everything on the internet was a mother gives her seven year old a valid your birth your boob job that

a lot of coverage of the me. into it over the military mechanisms to do the work of how to bring justice or. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so small a complete you think you understand it and then he glimpse something else hears you

some other part of it and realize that everything is ok if you don't know i'm trying hard look at the big picture. let's not forget that we have an apartheid regime right now. i think the beautiful and well. we have the government shows there for people to safely get ready. freedom.

i did sacrifice tool time award and tonight it goes to two thousand and twelve presidential hopeful rick santorum he by all accounts a rate does not have a chance of winning the g.o.p. nomination was tossed out of the set of a few years ago and since then it's basically made a living talking on fox news so in an attempt to attract media attention other than fox news right has been saying all sorts of crazy stuff in interviews and on the

campaign trail actually in the last week he claimed that global warming is a hoax and he called for of course to be outlawed i guess those of the very average conservative talking points when you think about it i still think it's crazy then last night during an interview on c.n.n. rick was asked about gay marriage i support a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage i think that it marriage should be a consistent thing across the country marriage is the union of one man and one woman it's essential for the family is essential for the stability of our of our culture to to make sure that children are given the best hope which is a mom and a dad and now rick believes that there should be a constitutional amendment to keep gays from mayor. and its position puts him squarely at odds with the general public in fact a recent poll found that fifty one percent of americans believe that same sex couples should be able to marry and that support is growing each day and many believe the regular g.o.p. is pretty much lost this argument on same sex marriage but rick has

a very long history of attacking gay rights and once again rights activist decided to get even if you googled the world santorum i suggest you do that and the result is probably going to make you laugh but i can't read the definition that comes up on google at least not on t.v. but i want to censor myself let me just explain it santorum in a more simple way to our happens when two people really really love each other and when they gauge and activities with no clothes on most of the time this particular act happens between two men but not always you know one person is usually behind the other person and during that process of loving each other a byproduct is made and that byproduct is santorum that's the p.g. version that i can talk about on t.v. but again you could always use google santorum for yourself it's pretty entertaining now just this morning that rick santorum was asked about his little google problem on and i said i see. well. he comes with the

territory when you're out there unfortunately there are there vald people out there who do do horrible things of my responsibility is to go out and and talk about the issues that i care about it's unfortunate that some people thought that they would be a big joke to to make fun of my name. rick says the vile people do horrible things you know rick i agree like saying gay marriage is going to lead to a man of the dog having sex or blaming gays for the entire conflict jerks church sex scandal those are just a few pretty vile comments made by rick santorum himself and that's why he's tonight still time later. ok it's time for happy hour and joining me this evening is argue producer jenny churchill and jake brewer founder of realist idealist labs. think such a thing as

a realist ideal has. been frank will say that neither will you james. i'm just giving you a hard time because they think that there is seriously something wrong with the state you come from oh i guess i read about this we're doing these stories about just some bizarre piece of legislation that makes no sense things like of course legislating against shari'a which doesn't even exist and saying that any way i'd like more than one person or any two people who is caught praying. then is considered to be a sure reorganization but where is the rock a little as well as there's a bunch of robots in this one basically says it's now considered a misdemeanor or harassment punishable by up to one year in jail and fines of up to twenty five hundred dollars if anybody sees a picture that you posted online which can frighten intimidate or cause emotional distress i actually am very angry single thing i read very nobody can be offended or scared about something i read the day passes law actually as

a direct. fact of burrs and are not activity while living in tennessee but it was you who do you'd be surprised actually i also heard from a state by the way that prides itself on its own you know like gold rush with our stuff you know don't don't touch our. are people actually think it's a response to mullet madness dot com. they were so emotional i just told her i saw you at wal-mart. you know i've been to wal-mart and i've seen a lot of all it's and i think people are just a little are going to go along are photos that wal-mart that stuff is actually kind of offensive and carry and i'm sure you carry because this is obviously people trying to deal with regulating something that they clearly don't understand and because they have no clue how to regulate it they just make everything so vague that you end up not being able to do anything luckily we have a constitution and hopefully this whole thing will be ruled unconstitutional because there's no way that you can just ban any kind of picture on the internet that might offend somebody at some point you know we have this freedom of speech

and i think that it should apply to putting pictures of whatever you have to one developer programmer and every state legislature so they can explain what these rules i think is a fabulous you know because we always talk about how we just i don't know aging politicians that are trying to grapple with the internet and all the challenges that it's poses and they always just manage to screw things up but let's actually move on to this next story which has to do with the internet and posting pictures on there which is kind of interesting here's a woman who is going through a nasty divorce with her husband and so she decided just for kicks to make a fake profile online pretending that she was a teenage girl and she friended her husband and she not only found out her husband was tracking her with a g.p.s. device but also that he may have been trying to kill or this is what he said to do to the girl once she is gone i don't have to hide with my kids i can do what i want and not have to worry about seeing my family anymore you should find someone at your school there should be some gang bangers there that would put a cap around for ten thousand dollars i'm done with her grab. ok but you can

tell me you can tell me tell the guy isn't actually trying to have a kill they just want to rule over the little girl no i didn't gangbanger i can totally tell you don't read my e-mails coming thank you and up to it and i would say let them go. does and has a sign out for david frum before all of this stuff happened oh say i didn't read this girlfriend of me i think it's my wife i'm going to play a trick on her to make her look bad in the costume. he didn't do anything he's actually a kind of creepy mastermind creepy and i would say guilty of first degree printing like premeditated yes serious i'm going to screw with your head printing but otherwise you know what i do but i don't forget obviously these people need to get divorced or they just need to stay busy because their loads are the one trying to scurry each other over i want to see are going to uniform is going to create a fake account i want to be in the courtroom for this custody battle like ok because they're going to if you don't run and like i'm not writing running for the chair to be thirty. seven years of those kids grew up with hillary it's ok

this next to this is just messed up so we already talked about the mom that was giving her eight year old actually ended up being a fake story supposedly botox and stuff and now there's the barbie mom who just gave her daughter a voucher for ten thousand dollars a daughter just turned seven to get a boob job when she turns seventeen to give you a little taste of what this mom is really like take a look at some of the other stuff that she's done. outraged parents and child advocates by teaching her young daughter to pole dance sarah bird says it's a great bonding exercise for the former playboy bunny and seven year old birger runs a swingers club is no stranger to controversy either just a few months ago she was criticized for allowing her fifteen year old daughter to have botox injections because the teenager was worried about getting wrinkles. with mothers crazy i mean isn't her legal about it it's all about your kids goes the

paper but there's a star saying actually i hope if young girls watching out there i just i have a message for you and that is honey your mom is not attractive she's really really not attractive so don't don't follow in her ways so i go. do you know how much money she does that trying to me as rebels and i want to talk to this that's which is go through. that anyone who prays go and i know i mean i have to say that it's a me if i was seven that would be the worst gift ever it's such a non get i don't get used to having you bill you are do you think you are be as huge boobs you know if you anything like that for ten years and you start friends they will get bonds for college or for the birth and be like i'm so excited that's really lame i got something i can use today will my parents he said do that you know they would give me a little money like first savings or my grandmother did i wasn't able to access till i was eighteen and only through those in the back of my mind i knew that it

was there but you know i guess maybe a blanket obviously because then you could actually get something right off the bat girl loves sports and i just got to believe that like having to double d's doesn't actually help perform on the spot but if you know i don't know i've never really had by the time she seventeen she wanted. something serious that's crazy you know so it was generally some of us need to be the last thing going on is there presenter and if i've experienced it on. of course the builder bird god for judge ation now it might not last and i know. my for happened to you and i think you know somebody stole that last year it was in siege is in spain and we actually spoke to our correspondent there now it's time for them or it's in switzerland and i mean i just wish i just love would love to know what's going on here you know everybody calls it you conspiratorial story but if we weren't so secret about it then we wouldn't have to conspire about what might be going on and i was looking and some

of the book about it where they interviewed passed gas and there are no i really don't understand why everyone thinks that it's such a conspiracy and why they think something bad is going on mike ok you're holding a conference with some of the most influential people in the world behind closed doors and then you wonder why people think something's up what's basically the most influential the richest people of all shut down an entire resort city and never tell you what's going on no i i think it's great though that they're doing this because look i mean they're there to discuss the challenges of the world and what better place to really understand the challenges that people are facing in a castle in switzerland i think that is going to be really what no no i mean i think we've made their actions of another few i gotta wrap it up you guys are just coming off the dissension ok about it but it was so thanks for joining in and making the come back tomorrow radio host david kaplan is going to be joining us from our studio in new york on the meantime there for him to become a fan of the lower show on facebook and of color was on twitter if you missed any of tonight's show or any other night it was actually you to watch the ellen show

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