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this is once again flared up. these are the images you're seeing from the streets and candy that. challenge for asians rule today. on jargon in washington d.c. here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture presidential republican candidates him call and see how this is a better deal plan on how to repair the nation's we could kind of let our sky high taxes on the middle class really the way to go about it him and the end may be near for u.s. troops in libya but can a possible exit also be declared for the nation. and the department of homeland security to the greatest job in the world protecting the on from lax protection
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from an expensive american life. we may be nearing an end game in the libyan war world leaders including secretary of state hillary clinton are meeting in the united arab emirates to discuss how libya could have a democratic future after khadafi news reports out of libya suggest it could offer himself maybe warming up to the idea of leaving power and way to the most recent intensive bombing campaign in tripoli secretary clinton acknowledged today that people close to gadhafi have expressed interest in coming up with a deal for khadafy to step down in libya and go into exile in some undisclosed african nation. today's successful contact group meeting was a powerful statement that our coalition remains united and committed we reaffirmed
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there is only one way forward for libya attacks against civilians must stop gadhafi must go and the libyan people deserve to determine their own future well the details of cut off his departure are still unclear or any kind of deal that might be worked out secretary clinton confirmed and she believes this war effort is winding down so while there may be a light at the end of the tunnel in libya another war in the arab world is escalating drone strikes have intensified recent weeks about the nation of yemen and its acts of targeted members of al qaeda and radical militants and joining the struggle the top of the many government currently yemen is in the midst of a revolution as that nation's president ali abdullah saleh flood his country with serious injuries and is now being treated in saudi arabia like his presidential palace was and whether or not yemen will join the arab spring nations of egypt and tunisia with pro democratic revolution or radical militants will take power still
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unclear what's the big picture here of our military involvement here but is a mission accomplished in libya even look like what's our military's future in yemen it offers some insights on all what all of this means of drawing here in the studio by robert perry independent investigative journalist and founder and editor of consortium news and from florida ross baker author of the book family of secrets the bush dynasty and editor of the website who what why dot com robert ross welcome but i'm glad to have you both with us ross first of all the surgeries state clinton believes that the libyan war may be winding down what was our mission there and how we know if we're really successful what does that mean. you know i've been thinking about this for the last few months the way i do my reporting is i always try to put my shoe my way self in the shoes of the powerful people and to figure out what i'd do if i were them it dawned on me way back when the this story started breaking
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that it just didn't make any sense the claim that we that we were there to protect civilians the number of civilians killed by gadhafi forces are not that large it is basically compared to what's going on in some of the other countries so certainly there was no consistency there but i think that we don't have to look very far beyond. simply put there is nothing more important to the people who make the national security decisions for this country than any continued and staying oil supply and i think that with the arab spring it has had one friendly regime after another was threatened it was only natural that they begin to look for what could be done in terms of shoring up the region now libya is right next door to egypt it has its own very substantial royal supply and i think that somebody must have had the brainstorm there what you needed to do was to have your
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own arab spring and as you know on our side who what why we have an article really go through all of the evidence of this being essentially inspired by the national security said with the perry have the cia presence and not a little bit of goldman sachs has as i recall. or robert the it seems like there's a clear distinction and maybe i'm just imagining this but. egypt and and and and yemen we didn't bomb anybody it was these are basically bottom up or at least they appear to be bottom up revolution and it are tunisian army back in yemen and have been hit. i'm going to have it bob yeah it's. my middle eastern countries where as with these other countries we're trying to bomb our way to peace we tried that with afghanistan we tried that with iraq and it doesn't seem to be working out so well are we just essentially shooting ourselves in the foot with the strategy
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isn't and might this be part of this well actually let's talk about the everlasting war a separate question so sure i think i think we've seen pressure with iraq case. bombing countries as a way to change them as a lot of problems beyond the human cost there is tremendous financial cost and ultimately the u.s. goals often are turning out to be failures and in the case of iraq we're seeing sort of a slow motion defeat at the end of the year the iraqis had to send us on our way or the united states as well as forty four hundred plus american troops and maybe a trillion or more dollars in terms of expenses the united states made up with very little to gain and i agree with ross in some ways i think obviously oil and resources are very important but there are other factors to this in desire to protect american power into the region to take out people that are considered had therese not just of the united states but also of israel and to do essentially establish american germany in that region or at least show that america still has
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a lot of power there those kinds of situations that are often not advance would use military means as we've seen with united states operating a great deal in terms of the iraq war and the fallout from mad and they have been war two with the fallout from it so so ross is is there an analogy here between the last days of the british empire in the twenty's and thirty's and today with the united states i mean you know your thoughts and robert's concept that we're projecting power in the region i'm using the word empire he didn't. i think it's more complicated now certainly if you look at what happened in saudi arabia the united states was able to get the british out of there back in that period go here's what i think is going on now you need to look at a few bits and pieces that have been birdied in good stories by the corporate owned media in these are the things i've been focusing on ryan is this story from the
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wall street journal that goldman sachs had convinced him off several years ago to invest one point three billion dollars in auctions and somehow i don't know how they did this but they managed to lose ninety eight percent of this from libya's sovereign wealth fund these are very important developments that are not being discussed now the next thing that happened was a year later it off he turned to a number of western oil companies and said that he needed them to pay more in royalties because he was having trouble meeting pain and secluding is obligation on the lockerbie bombing and that by the way is a story that i think if you look at it carefully itself looks very confused as to whether libya was actually involved or was framed for that so he's been put in an untenable position on a whole bunch of different fronts and i think that he was a very and i think they decided that at this point this was their opportunity to get rid of him. that's
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a very very lucrative i think absolute right and you're right you know that was his absolute right robert real quickly we just have a minute left of the new defense authorization bill basically says that we can have a war as a last terrorist on earth is dead perpetual war how does a serving interesting states well i'm not sure it serve the interest of the american people and it may serve the interests of certain ruling elements of the american government but if it is so to try to sell it not to be very good to be american people it means more money and it means greater and pageant around the world and frankly many of the things even like the issues. resources in oil that's often better done through the markets rather than by trying to claim these territories that is part of the american empire that's actually worked by the elder to try sure. because he's in libya were we because the two percent of the of the world the world's been taken off the market during this conflict last couple of months that has been a factor in driving up the price of gasoline for the average american although
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speculations as to be a factor of two robert perry ross baker gentlemen thank you both for being here. special. slain pakistani journalist site shows you a better perhaps than any of the journalists in the world is likely killed over what he knew in his book inside al qaeda and the taliban published just days before he was murdered xico she zod said that our middle of our war effort the middle east following nine eleven was exactly what al qaeda was hoping for al qaeda figure that the us military aggression would be just what they needed to swell their ranks with young muslims who would become filled with rage as they watched their communities destroyed by american bombs and today the u.s. military action has expanded beyond afghanistan beyond iraq beyond libya and even beyond yemen this is what perpetual war looks like and it's not the way to win hearts and minds struggle.
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it appears that the republican party has gone insane house budget chairman paul ryan the guy who is working feverishly to privatized medicare has now joined a handful of other republicans who think it would be a good thing if the u.s. government defaults on its debt and if you was c.n.d. see ryan said that if our nation defaults on our debt something the most economists argue could cause a global financial meltdown it wouldn't be such a bad thing at all or to ryan quote what is more important is you are putting the government in a material better position to pay to better pay its bills going forward and. not sure how another great depression puts our nation in a materially better position and then there's tim polanski the former governor who nearly bankrupted minnesota who watched thirteen people die when under maintain bridge collapsed in his state and is now running for president if the republican battle for a presidential nomination is a race to the bottom and i think tim lindsey just won with his new tax scheme but once he just unveiled
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a new plan that puts the bush tax cuts on steroids tax cuts that have now ten years later proven to be a complete economic disaster under policies plan which will add nearly eight trillion dollars to our national debt over the next ten years people making over one million dollars a year get a forty one per ten cent tax cut and people making over ten million dollars a year get a forty six percent tax cut on top of that polanski is going to play it lee off the rails or to get rid of capital gains taxes and estate taxes taxes that are paid almost exclusively by people like paris hilton and how does polanski plan to get back these tax losses by shifting the tax burden to the working class and it's the republican way after all isn't so what kind of illusion is taken over the republican party to make them think they should double down on the tax cuts that have ruined our country and promote default that economists believe will crash the entire global economy and offer some answers as david so it conservative commentator and federal tax preparation advocate david welcome back. thank you for
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having me tom it's always a pleasure to be on your program thank you david why do you and paul ryan and these other guys hate the middle class. i don't hate the middle class i'm actually a member of the middle class as my family is and most of my friends i think the issue we're here to discuss is this plan by which is very interesting i don't think it goes far enough in some ways for instance right now we have an issue with charitable giving i.r.s. publication five twenty six it's very stringent guidelines if we were to just the men vats the american taxpayer would be relieved of approximately eight hundred and ten billion dollars a year and no entitlement programs would be cut we just have to allow individuals to be able to deduct one hundred percent of their charitable giving up to one hundred one hundred fifty thousand dollars and
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a lot of these problems that we're dealing with with the government and this nanny state mentality were go away while i literally when i saw david that what you're suggesting is that working people in the middle of the median income in the united states forty four thousand dollars a year it's not a lot average incomes of forty two i think that the people making that kind of money who are you know very much living paycheck to paycheck in this country these days that if they get sick and their insurance doesn't cover everything and they you know instead of putting can down at the local seven eleven you know pay for so and so as transplant operation that if rich people get full tax cuts for any charitable giving it that's going to solve our problem we no longer need you know health insurance or national health insurance or disappear you know social security disability that's not what i'm talking about at all but what i would like to make very clear is a lot of these programs these very good programs and these entitlement programs that the government funds and it mina straights costs about fifty cents on every
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dollar that the taxpayer pays over and that's because it goes this very circuitous route. by allowing the private sector and various charitable organizations untrammelled access to these funds they can do an awful lot more good good as a service code for will we can depend on the rich people to save us rather than our country can you identify any country in the world that has successfully their way to prosperity or has become prosperous simply by regal right by relying on very very wealthy people oh i know tom i think you're taking the issue out of context and i can just one post that's not really what i'm advocating here what i am advocating is financial responsibility and wide spread tax cuts i've mentioned the other night complete tax abatements for people thirty and under as a great way of starting over but we're talking about saving the legacies suggestion
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that people making over a million should get a forty percent forty two percent he will get over ten million should get a forty six percent tax cut and and you're defending that i believe and you know you generally speaking about me as i am and isn't that just a way to trash the economy so that in twenty to all president obama will be running in the middle of a disaster an economic disaster and to lose the election well let's be very clear about things right now we are teetering carious lay on the precipice of an economic disaster and it has to be corrected and to correct it what we need is our economy the motor of our economy to really start humming and unfortunately with the tax burdens presently in force and this overwhelming regulation and administrative problems it was state that i had busy eight years of the bush administration didn't add regulations they cut regulations and during the clinton administration when
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taxes were higher on rich people he created twenty three million jobs bush cut taxes and created three million jobs are you telling me that we need to cut more taxes. yes but i'm also telling you we need to learn from our past mistakes and look forward we have to solve our problems in the immediacy and long term it's not enough for us to be armchair quarterbacks looking back and saying well this was tried and it failed and just abandon a game or respond or out of time but i'm totally with you we should learn from the past and we should look at the prosperity that we have and if the sixty's seventy's and eighty's when it's up to x. rates were ninety one and seventy four percent any of david thank you for being disagree with i know you go through with ok it is you do is absurd to ask as temple and he also has his googles as proposal requires the federal government to stop offering services that can be offered by private companies on google considering that you can find a private company on google to do just about anything from wage war dead u.k.
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kids to health care to seniors polanski is basically kicking the government out of the country these ideas will fundamentally remake our nation turning us into the libertarian paradise of somalia so if change in abject poverty or what you're looking for but plenty of. time for a daily poll your chance to tell us what you think here's today's question will palencia get any traction in the outrageous tax cut he's trying to push your choices are yes and get this he will offset those tax cuts by shifting the tax burden to the working class or no no one will fall for his new tax scheme are going to let us know what you think will be open till tomorrow morning. coming up is the department of homeland security really looking into all terrorist threats facing america or just the ones coming from muslims but why domestic terror threats may be slipping through the cracks. the website
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all may seem like our government's number one priority is keeping america safe from terrorism truth is in many ways it's dropping the ball sure when it comes to islamic terrorism we have dozens of eyes surveyed every little piece of intelligence and agents all over the world tracking muslims when it comes to homegrown domestic terrorism it seems like nobody at the department of homeland security knows what the heck is going on has because since two thousand and nine d.s. v.h.s. has taken to access to its own intelligence agency cutting out the guys who specialized in looking for domestic terror threats and focusing solely on islamic terror in fact there hasn't been a detailed report of the threat of homegrown terrorism in. three years from v.h.s. that's despite the fact that a new department of homeland security study conducted last year on the eighty six major four year old or executed terrorist attacks in the united states between one thousand nine hundred nine and two thousand and nine found that the majority of
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those attacks were not affiliated at all with al qaeda or any allied groups and non-governmental groups like the southern poverty law center are saying that the threat of domestic terror is higher today than it's been in the last few decades and just this last year numerous terror threats of emerged from non muslims and american units he was arrested for trying to blow up in milk a day parade six members of an alaskan militia group were arrested for plotting to kill police officers and in wisconsin a lone wolf was arrested for trying to kill planned parenthood workers that's just to name a few so why is the department of homeland security missing this glaring threat to america here to offer some answers on this issue is mark potok director of the intel of the intelligence project at the southern poverty law center mark welcome back. thanks so much for having me again mark what happened in two thousand and nine why did the department of homeland security suddenly turn a blind eye to the nest of terror and to extend that did they actually do that or did they just stop talking about. well here's what happened in april two thousand
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and nine the department after a several months earlier putting out a report on left wing extremism which is barely existant but in a you know in the interest of appearing even handed they came out with a report on the right wing extremism and said pay their fines were very similar to our own independent findings essentially what the department setter with this report said was the radical right has grown explosively that this was due largely to the election of a black president and the collapsing economy and it went on to point out several things except for instance one of the dangers comes from single issue extremists concerned with issues like abortion and immigration so mention in passing that extremist this is certainly true our own our research shows as well that extremists were interested in recruiting returning war veterans from afghanistan and iraq the thought being that these are man who have you know very high end paramilitary
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skills what tim mcveigh was seen he was returning or other from the frets right in effect but he wasn't recruited i mean these guys are looking to find people with the skills presumably to fight coming race war etc etc in any event this report was meant for law enforcement agencies all around the corner of the country was confidential report but it was immediately leaked out and what happened was that instantaneously the political right the american leadership you shall now and the columnist pete hoekstra the congressman many number of other people on the political right attacked the report saying that it painted off at him and people opposed to him of you know high levels of immigration or to abortion in effect all conservatives in this country as a potential timothy mcveigh now you know having read the report at the time that is ludicrous the report was carefully written and simply false that it penalized these groups but in any event baseless that picture that was. is that it will be
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a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth by the political right and what happened was that secretary napolitano the d.h.s.s. secretary defended the report for a few days and then basically completely backtracked it was a bad report it had gone through it had up and got through the authorized channels and been approved you know it was essentially a rogue document that had been released and should repudiate it and she actually made a big apology to the american legion and in my own view you know what really occurred was that the department simply was frightened off by the criticism of the baseless criticism of the political light and ultimately what occurred in this we just put out a very explosive q. and a with a former top domestic terrorism or not is not mcmaster terrorism analyst at p.h.s. a man named daryl johnson who said what happened was the department essentially
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info his team of six analysts is now a single person they have as you said not put out a single substantive report since april two thousand and nine. and you know after tara went public with these comments you know he's gotten dozens of messages from other people no one for us and field saying you're absolutely right it's a shame what's happening out there at the washington post and i think a very important story on terrell in which the post reporter all around the country and talked to many other people who had been in the now since section of v.h.s. the top people the so-called fusion centers there are seventy two these centers around the country that are state local and federal law enforcement cooperating on these kinds of intelligence issues you know and you many of the people out in the fusion centers set you know it's a disaster that's happening so you're right i mean what you said to me atros
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especially right. so this is due to political pressure this was not this is just a matter of v.h.s. just saying you know ok glenn beck you know we're not going to you know because he and fox seem to be leading the charge it's not a matter of they're just saying that their bag and they actually did back off the flip side of this is is the media and and i saw this report today about how the drudge report is is resembling a white power website and it was pointed out by the light power website in the minute we have left mark tell us about this well we wrote a blog item on this i mean this is a group called the council of conservative citizens you know group as described by people as a retrograde species of humanity to say my goodness look at the drudge report looks just like our headlines and indeed that is the case you know i don't find it terribly surprising to me drudge seems to move ever further to the right. and you
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know essentially they're the kind of you know black people are criminal savages that's what you see. on the united states is a forty year low but there's the i'm sorry what's a forty year low in the crime in the united states sure and yet you're still notice still has a series are all yeah these are all stereotypical scarce right you know big black men are coming for your daughter and you know it's essential to tone of the thing and drudge seems to picked up in a rather hearty way yes and no coincidence that it has to do with has anybody noticed there's a black eye in the white house since mark potok and great research are doing on this and so the it wasn't thanks so much for being with us. look strong thanks so much for having me paul department of homeland security has been dropping the ball out of as to getting domestic hate groups conservative websites like the drudge report as pointed out have come to resemble those domestic aid groups as alex sets
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were all over think progress noted today matt drudge often uses websites is it just that a racial rhyme wave is sweeping across the nation and that white people should be scared to death despite the fact that crime as i noted is that a forty year low one group that took notice of dredges website is an actual hate group the white supremacist council of conservative citizens which recently boasted this was one of their headlines quote drudge report currently resembles c. of c. c. or their website c. of c. c. is probably previously claimed as mark pointed out the black people are a retrograde species of humanity so not exactly the type of people you want to resemble but leave it to america's republican partisans at like the drudge report to find bedfellows with right wing extremists. crazy alert that's not a bullshit it's a mascot and i don't like taking website we slogan is where romance meets finance and we specializes in bringing together generous men looking to spoil and dynamic
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