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details about around seven thousand people arrested in the country since president mubarak was toppled the interim military leadership promises to review trials of civilians and to increase the power of civilian courts but human rights groups claim there's evidence prisoners have been tortured. those are the headlines now the rest of bosnian serb general. has divided public opinion and said the some believe it membership while others accuse the government of betraying an actual hear it and journalist gay north who covered the bosnian civil war in the mid ninety's shares his memories of the journal with of portland is coming up next. oh yeah welcome to spotlight. on r t algernon today my guest on the show

is. the last bosnian serb general accused of genocide and mass murder in the bosnian war of ninety ninety six rats this finally in his capture was a huge boost. to the european union and now the kind of. blasts that the serbian people are split as many of them see it. as a national hero and a mark will this cost the country more than it may bring our guest is a journalist based in belgrade during the civil war he met. personally and is ready to share his memories right now. been present started says europe is ready to support the countries did he join the european union this became possible after

belgrade sent general rascal managed to the hague where he's going to be tried the general who's accused of genocide and ordering the massacre at srebrenica during the war he's threatening to start a hunger strike but he finds that the serbian leadership remains firmly focused on the european union. thank you very much for coming. under which circumstances when did you did you meet. well when i was working for your best during the war the general. more than once. his political leader the former president of the public. another one. you know he has been on trial in the hague since thousand and eight. and. now. it's joined him i met mother church several times between one thousand nine hundred

two and ninety ninety five. first time it was in bali the capital of bosnian serbs and then several times in. this city that was shelled the ground. forces. i was weakness soldier of of general killed the civilian people if i'm not throng. seven or. a thousand civilians. were killed by a soldier a self. member so it was my eyes you really yes are you sure that. each was convinced and ruthless nationalist is a true can you guess exactly really i can't say i can repeat your expression.

i was more watching him several times i saw. from this during the war and i have the impression that he was like a small local napoleon yes he liked very much his. uniform he'd like to show his guy and swear. but then life here was middle. his colleagues from the military academy in belgrade told me that they didn't expect that he became a general fugitive bosnian serb army general radical was arrested last month after sixteen years on the run spotlight sealing the deal me there has more. to last months the rest of russia can live each game is a long awaited really full bosnian muslims who was not accepted as happily by serbs

bringing back bitter memories of the violence the balkans had to go through in the one nine hundred ninety s. the collapse of yugoslavia was accompanied by a feast struggle for territorial control and by much bloodshed the largest massacre since the second world war is associated with chain you're all right each in one thousand nine hundred five the bosnian serb forces on the east command attacked the un controlled town of srebrenica with tens of thousands of bosnian civilians according to the us. tribe you know more did she spoke thousands of women and children and or did the execution of more than seven thousand men and boys she wanted by the international war crimes tribunal had been on the run for sixteen years before his arrest and extradition to the hague. the event caused huge protests in serbia with thousands coming onto the streets of belgrade claiming that

han didn't want each over to the hague tribunal was treason many said serbia would prefer their own courts to deal with the case so best arrest and extradition of the former bosnian serb army chief was one of the key conditions for the chance to join the european union and potential membership would mean billions of dollars worth of bronte. a listen the main accusation against larry is they should have been it's a massacre. i'm sure he he really because personal responsibility for it well. me personally i wasn't in surrey brilliance during this. sad case but i have information from my colleagues and from historic calls from belgrade from. that it was a crime and to personally order to kill this innocent people. would

you agree to what the west generally believes that that the serbs beer the lion's share of responsibility for for the atrocities and and for the crimes committed during the bust in war. to be fair i must say that there are no side of the conflict was very humane neither syrups not creations not muslims it was the war but i am sure that the late president of serbia dictator slobodan milosevic and his visit from zagreb former president of grace for a new man. the share the most of the blame for initiating the long and bloody war i met with them several times i had some interviews with both of

them and. they i know personally they agreed on their plan to divide and herzegovina so since so this is the main thing and if we get back to the atrocities you had to you had to report as a journalist. on the on the atrocities and what happened. in the field in these villages all over the police who were you a witness to any work crimes to interest yourself. especially in sorrow. it was ninety ninety two or ninety nine three ninety ninety four i lived in the holiday inn hotel in the center of soraya together with foreign journalists and it seems that was agreement between serbs and muslims do not. push to not. do

not make. some bad for journalists living in. this hotel because it will work against them yes that's why it was a unique building in the center of soraya wasn't it wasn't to her sam bullet's you can see places from the bullets on this photo even today i was inside i was three months ago it's a lot of destroyed buildings in the center of the city with the house still the hotel i was living in the same hotel and. in general how would you explain or is there an explanation for this very high level of hatred for is. high level of violence during the civil war. the main reason of this tragedy is nationalist. serbian nationalism muslims

nationalism creation nationalism now i'm sure you want to say that that the former yugoslavia it was a nationalist country. it was. it didn't happen like this i mean it should have been nationalist before before the war there were only two federal so-called communist countries in the europe soviet union and former federal soviet republic. for. yes it's exception because after they divorced czechs and slovaks they are living in peace in the center of your life in harmony in. the european union but in the case of former soviet union it was a small number of victims but in yugoslavia there were thousands of people killed

because of nationalism nationalism is on the first place last time you met a blood which i guess it was in montenegro yes it was. i didn't expect i had some rumors about i'm a journalist i was looking for this rumors but. i was in montenegro. and i find a fare on the mountains and inspectable i saw one guy. it was wrapped in luggage he was already in hiding was he yes did you have a chance to talk to him to communicate doing just. that he said let's just hello and disappear. can we see that. each was characterized. as particularly cruel person compared to the prettiest symptoms of the war was it special

or more lots of people like it was a puppet in the hands of slobodan milosevic yes because milosevic gave him orders milosevic paid him money and send weapon to boston syrups. it doesn't mean that he's not. guilty he is but. his political leader was slobodan milosevic. and i believe that now in kc. blood that you will show two. trials first time secret documents captured together with him in the village close to belgrade and that will be documents. against not only slobodan milosevic who unfortunately died was.

the result. trial but against. lead there of syrups nationalists and the radicals slobodan. voice. who was paramilitary groups killed people on the same way like soldiers or luggage sensitive gig as the lawful witness of the war in both in the ninety's. thank you so national journal's spotlight will be back we'll continue to listen to me in less than a minute so stay with. me . we'll. bring you the latest in science and technology from the ground rush.

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welcome back to spotlight on algren oven just a reminder that my guest in the studio here today is sitting gig as an off a witness on the world both general lavage several times he's a russian journalist and he just published this book about about the events of the civil war in the former yugoslavia in the ninety's we're talking we're talking about them live each case we're talking about the guy that was arrested and is now in the hague facing facing trial. does the fact that it took so long that it was so hard to to to a wrist the mean that that that enjoyed some cover up from from the serbian military you just mentioned before the break that you just

occasionally met him in a cafe in a mountain area just having a cup of coffee what with somebody over there. so so. it he wasn't somewhere like bin ladin in some secret hideaway place so by the way. i think it's very good that. they kept. the luggage alive not like it was in case it was bin laden and we have some serious misunderstanding between. you know official version and. some controversial from the german is the official version is that he was he was captured by chance the just happened well it was a special operation it is

a true. human luggage you know yes. some time ago i. think with serbian president the current serbian president the leader of serbian democrats. started sure we know each other twenty years and. i'm very satisfied with his policy now and i ask him morris please tell me between us. you is it true that you didn't know nothing about his location all this years he said trust me i didn't. i believed him but but. mother was arrested on the rather strange circumstances i have no reason to doubt the current president that age but considering. their recent here he could hardly a life so why it was a professional medical because it's so. very very late you know aid reaches the

veil or bow if you went on the ground more water then when the security forces arrested blood which. my serbian comics told me about it last week i was in belgrade he had expensive medicine with him. that is very hard to find this medicine in belgrade no really came from from europe from western europe somewhere but somebody zealots the point is not. personally ok how influential are the supporters of luggage today in the serbian society can the society be split over his arrest yes the society is split but. last week i told you i was. a guest in belgrade the presentation of our book in serbian language and i was a guest. in belgrade t.v.

. and that was the vaulting or spectator of about the main. the main interesting event from that week and only one. spectators named the case of realize as a main event people talked about. probably not football not not basketball scandal but it cultural crisis etc etc and what. i want to say that. the arrest did not cause a major public outcry in serbia remorse serbia's it didn't surprise yes yes most serbians realize that those of his link. fortunate past their professional lawyers should work with and serbia should look to the future of

to find a way on the european union because serbia now has a lot of problems. is not a problem it is the past of the country is if bloody each qur'an additional that again if the if these guys are really the poorest when saying that do you mean syria and former yugoslavia in general today are no longer can time in the to do with this virus of nationalism well unfortunately the bulk of the region is still under political economical and moral tension. this is why the rest of it should be welcomed as another step towards service european union membership and we had a lot of troubles in more stand karats ago in that you know that there is. fighting between politicians about the future of course so

a former part of serbia we have. questions on mustn't go in there and i will repeat a lot of problems in serbia and they call. serbian economy do you think that bustling and has to govern it will survive in the current full well it's the fairly hard to say what what can we expect from this country in the future but i have very good source and. when i was a young journalist in belgrade the young people of my it was working in belgrade toll now he's a high executive his name is valentin the and sometimes i can't call him and ask him and then what can we expect. even the first man in bosnia cannot for the future because you know mostly in serapis one. they have another ideas the.

leaders of the car and. him not the way. the problem of diplomacy. mixed it together and find the. good solution but i think that. politicians and journalists will have a lot of work many many years what about the bosnian serbs do you think that the bosnian serbs will get. the right to secede following the example of cost of a ticket because if not that would be double standards what well you know what is the difference to me i mean that the muslims the albanians and the serbs and cost well. it's the main question because the. status of boston suburb now is. is not

finally. clean there is all they'd be a of the great serbia. from. serbia from part of most any carrots or go in and from the part of creation and that was plan made by dictator slobodan milosevic and this idea is still the life in the society. what about the hague tribunal. well the hague tribunal for for for for me the slightly considered to be an example of justice do you believe that it's really doing a good job i think so because. i was in. the weiss and i had interview where is the leaders of this institute and them sure they are not against serbs like some people say like to say in moscow or in belgrade they're against crime crime. in belgrade in the

zagreb and in. the majority of the accused by this tribunal for me just like they are serbs do you consider this fair. because we know that that also that not only serves the muslims krauts lots of lots of ethnic groups participated in the war but the sometimes it looks like the the tribunals is a live for serbs no i am not agree with this view because it's very easy serbs populations twice more then in creation and twice more in most in the car and the herzegovina and the many times more than in slovenia. do you think that general route could not reach who is in syria do you think that he'll get a fair trial in the hague. i hope. i

hope that he will have a fair trial i'm sure that he will have. as. good. ok it's. now he's free to think about his future it's in the his interest. question the arrest. it is considered to be a door opener for serbia do you think then that now that this arrest will pave the way for serbia into the e.u. yes i'm sure but it's not the last problem to belgrade we have. which have the case of course over the next step will be causal thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest on the show today. is an awful witness of the boston end war and an author of a book he just published on the events informing the slavia and the nine students

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