the people have a right to know and congressman king's constituents and i certainly know in nashville there's a big concern about this so i think it's very legitimate for a member of congress to have an investigation in a area where a lot of people have concerns a lot of african-americans have concerns i have concerns i don't see it as a witch hunt but i'll hundred is this really a threat i mean an african-american man finding a new religion and taking on a new name equating religion with terrorist acts here by making that assumption let me start off by actually saying what do the experts say according to a congressional research service report which is congress's own research service ok their own think tank they have said that out of the forty one different plots that have taken place. against our nation since nine eleven only one only one that they have counted has actually been hatched from behind jail cells and i think really what representative thompson has said is really apt in this case which is that we

need to be focusing on the bomb throwers regardless of religion regardless of their political idiology. not the people who are behind the cells the other thing by the way is that the other thing by the way is that when we look at what the other experts are saying like bert you seem who actually interviewed over two hundred seventy different inmates at several different facilities and over two hundred different correctional correctional officials what they consistently found across the board is that the prisons themselves are actually a very strong barrier to radicalization itself not from my own words but from the words of the experts who then compiled it from the jail officials and from the inmates themselves and carol if i can get to you i know that. one of the things that i am more concerned about it not seen it you know with people that i've known that have gone to prison and come back and returned it to the population it may not

be that they're trying to do a terrorist plot but they return with a lot of hatred towards white americans and there's no place for their you know and so they may not be trying to blow up buildings and do mass slaughters with their hatred sometimes translates into crime and so it's true that investigation programs and policies can come out that was somehow improve prison life because i've also read that really of the young men and women who might move in that direction they do it for protection because we know prisons are a very dangerous place and so if it's prisons are so bad that they have to join gangs but they have to join a group for protection we need to improve conditions of course and carol i don't think anyone would disagree with you on that much less myself but then if that's really the case of gang violence if radicalization of all sorts is the issue in our in america's prisons then why limit the scope to islamic radicalization i mean the

very same winners of everything very same witness that the congressman brought in to testify about how they get more than a dozen tips about islamic radicals in the los angeles county system i also believe that there are sixty thousand gang members in the los angeles county i mean why limit it to your point is exactly. and i think a point is absolutely right you that there is a concern about gangs but this is not something that is limited to any one religion itself anyway this is a serious threat that is across the board if we look at the long history of even prisoner radicalization and their nexus to gangs we might as well start looking at white supremacists if we really want to look at this based on numbers alone so why would why or why in that case we can look at both but going to be enough if we were on. we're going to look at the islamic threat so right and this is going to be this is the thing that is a must have been here is now the last carol please if i'm able to finish for

a moment is just that we have no problem looking into this issue here about personal radicalization because there could be a potential threat but at the end of the day there was one plot but we also have to keep this into consideration and to proportion and and if we're going to be looking at this particular phenomenon of prisoner radicalization then it should not just be limited to muslim prisoner radicalization but threats across the board because it is not just people who may be wearing a koofi or growing beards that pose a threat to our country because religion itself doesn't pose a threat to a country or people who simply happy hatred and idiology and it doesn't necessarily have to be a slam it could be someone who is a k.k.k. member but white psoriasis or even someone who might want to give her a chance to respond you are disagreeing they're a minute ago what's your take. i do disagree i think islamic teaches a lot of hatred and they certainly tears your own black man their christianity is their religion that enslaves them that white people are to be hated and bets and

negative they may not go out and blow up buildings and kill people in mass in mass crimes but i do think you contributes to the crime rate and i've heard some of the whatever it is. what evidence do you have play you should look at you could look at you could look at you could look at the black crime rate the black on white crime rate but if you look at a cover coming out of prison if you look at people that are coming out of prison my concern is that with islam it does you know teach that. muslims you know they're for dale's and it is a religion that does preach balance in a way that christianity doesn't and that's my concern they were on the side of the . parents our world must have a second i wonder i want to get a listener precisely the problem here is that this is conflating religion with the violin next act of

a minority people here all religions have suffered from their extremist. members at one point or another it's unfortunately has been no different in this case and really when we're conflating the criminal acts of a few with the entire broad community especially people who have been contributing to the society and in many cases even even stepping forward to the word terrorist plots we really are going to in the service of our nation care and thank you both so much for taking the time to speak we have to say thank you for having me i will unfortunately anti muslim sentiments can be found far beyond chairman king's committee tom took on this issue just last week and he explained how it's a symptom of a march a much larger change in america take a look. what's going on in wisconsin it's not just about the unions it's also about pulling the plug on democracy in america by selling off and privatizing our commons and while republicans are helping their corporate overlords robbed the united states of america blind they needed distraction so the rest of us don't catch on to

their crime and that distraction is taking place on capitol hill and we're right here in washington d.c. right now the republican chairman of the house homeland security committee peter king republican from new york state began his hearings today into american muslim communities there's no greater distraction than fear it's been so effective in the past it's been used again today here's of peter king had to say today i remain convinced that these hearings must go forward and they will. craven surrender to political correctness and an abdication of what i believe to be the main responsibility of this committee to protect america from interest attacked to strike work because for conventional wisdom in certain circles there is nothing radical or an american told me that hearings. pay no attention to the military trying to buy your city's water or power systems to turn

a quick profit instead focus on your neighbor the muslim and his wife and kids that part of a sleeper cell that wants to blow your house up by the way your odds of dying in a terrorist attack in the united states are about one in nine million to put that in perspective you're three hundred times more likely to be shot by some random guy with a gun than a terrorist attack yet you won't see republicans holding any hearings on gun violence but peter king isn't doing anything new here he's testing off the old playbook of this guy. the late the late response and sen joe mccarthy the maestro of the communist witch hunts in the one nine hundred fifty s. they divided our nation turned us against each other and ruined the lives of tens of thousands of law abiding american citizens in fact peter king used to work for mccarthy's committee lead lawyer roy cohn so probably does actually have a car thief playbook but here's the thing though mccarthy was distracting us all

from arrest with irrational fears of communists most americans totally missed a fundamental transformation it was taking place in our country from the taft hartly act to cripple our unions in one thousand nine hundred seven to the rise of the military industrial complex in the one nine hundred fifty s. that led us to over eleven thousand nuclear weapons at the height of the cold war to today's rise of the security terror complex it's bringing us chertoff porno scanners it's under way now the phone companies listening to your conversations while the internet companies are inspecting your e-mail and buying habits and they're all selling that information to political machines like that run by karl rove to help elect mostly republican politicians who keep adding more and more power and money over to these corporations increasingly we're not only economically addicted to war but to the security state as well as security state that will become even more powerful and more profitable if peter king can scare the hell out

of enough of us welcome the elders huxley's brave new world synthesised with george orwell's big brother remember what's going on around the country is not just about the unions it's about who really runs our democracy is you and me are the core corporate oligarchy and peter king is doing his part to distract us all from that truth. let's not let fear terrorists apart we need to be united to day with our muslim brothers and sisters to take on the real threat to america the corporate buyout of our commons in particular the most important of our commons our elected officials themselves. the labor of hiking the current becoming the new friends america an inside look from a cyber crimes are after the break. let's think it's twenty four seven live streaming news times what to do about the ongoing

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government multinational corporations and global institutions all seem to be losing the battle against computer hackers after a rash of cyber attacks against prominent websites took place this week but just yesterday the cia learned the meaning of w.t.f. the hard way after a hacker collective known as lol security shut down the agency's public website the cia is unfortunately just the latest addition to a growing list of hacking. victims that includes the. sony google even the contractor defense contractor lockheed martin so are we in the midst of some sort of serious dangerous cyber war against america or is the cyber threat just a bunch of hype joining me to discuss this is david seltzer he's an attorney and cyber crimes expert david welcome to the program thank you so much for being here so how do you should americans how worried should americans be cyber warfare is this a real threat or just a bunch of hackers you know making a little funny pranks and trying to get their name out there yeah you know one may

call it a funny prank but one of the facts you personally and affects your identity is not so funny anymore because cleaning up your identity in society today when everything we do revolves around technology and your financial data and security it's a big mess so we need to be concerned and we need to be worried that our government is getting hacked you know i read a statistic today that one in four hackers is employed by the government in some shape or form. and essence informant for the government but if the government can't stop these attacks what are we going to do to protect us in the future but you have to be vigilant of people david the thing is the government's not really just talking about the kind of caps that you're talking about with private privacy and protections and security and financial data we're talking about cyber warfare i mean we saw the launch of cyber com we saw the pentagon rolled out a new strategy with their apparent now saying that presumably if they get attacked and they can trace that attack to a foreign governments then that can be seen as an act of war and there could be retaliation even troops on the ground in return so why is this focus then mis

placed on these foreign threats. i know their focus is not misplaced but it starts and stops with the little box if they can't stop the little hacks how are they going to stop the big tax we have to be concerned in this country but our government web site is being crashed we have to be concerned that sony is being attacked because the cyber security that we use for so many that we use for the cia is similar to what we use in other parts of this country for other to other major matters you know power plants electrical facilities grids these are all similar situated technology that people can't have so if we can't protect the little things my concern is how are we going to protect the big things well that's a very valid point but one of the issues that one of the concerns that i have is if you look at where this fear mongering or alarm bell ringing is coming from i mean a lot of the same people who are warning the alarms about cyber war also seem to at least in my view have a lot to gain from defending the country against a threat i mean look at richard clarke whose book on cyber war is more like the book of revelation written for the digital age you know we have michael chaired off

the former homeland security chief who now has a firm that essentially peddles cyber security services shouldn't that worry us if these alarms are being raised by folks who have a lot of money to be to be earned from from this new industry. i don't fault people for that you know it's cutting edge stuff and people have to take a leap or have to have to start the process somewhere so yes people are going to benefit from it financially but we as a country need that protection so we've got to turn to our experts and what are actually out there and so much money we as a country spend so much money on the military industrial complex on warfare on the countless wars in the countries involved and isn't this the time and place to be a little bit more wary about yet a new whole arena where warfare can be can be waged to be a little bit more careful where we don't doubt the security contracts. one hundred percent but the military is only equipped to do so much and if the military wants to outsource and we you know they outsource a lot i don't fault them for that i will i would agree whatever is in the best

interest of this country in protecting our infrastructure must be done whether it's privatized or public i can tell you well and if we move away from the private versus public debate i mean one of the other issues is that the pentagon again it is essentially threatening physical troops on the ground retaliations to potential hypothetical threats by foreign governments and given the fact that hacks are so difficult to trace you don't often know the source you don't know if it's you know a rogue nation that's behind it or a bunch of hackers that happen to live within that nation behind it are we opening up the door to unlist state of warfare yeah you're opening a pandora's box because there is ultimately going to today no other way to trace it you know the defense that i so d.d.i. some other dude did it is a standard defense that people use in types of criminal matters but there is zero ultimate accountability for a country if you're going to trace it to russia or china or india or wherever at the end of the day there is no guarantee zero guarantee to prove it came from that country so you are all concerned about this potential military nation of cyber so you are fighting yes i am ok well i guess

a lot of other countries are going to retaliate trying defend themselves so it could bring war to our country of course and i mean you know it it's a if he issue here but we talk about the stuxnet virus there's been a lot of reports out there saying that it only it wouldn't have been to develop without the help of the united states in conjunction with israel and so it would it would iran then be it completely in the wrong by attacking this country and god forbid this would ever happen of course it never would but doesn't that open again that the door to perpetual warfare we can't really necessarily afford it yeah it does it creates a situation where it goes both ways so we have to be wary of what we're going to practice what we preach so that is our government's focus in this placed on press as opposed to what you talked about you know hacking the little man there the average american. you know they're not misplaced in the sense that they understand what has to be done but i think they're misplaced and how they're going about doing it they're not protecting it right now and they're they're imposing all this legislation and talking all these big things on capitol hill about how they want to

protect us but they're not getting it done instead we're becoming victims and until they figure out how to protect us as a country to protect our cyber our national infrastructure we're going to continue to have problems and i'm afraid exactly what you're saying is someone's going to be trigger happy and pull the trigger word shouldn't be told and is it really the government's role to sort of lead this initiative or do you see private firms sort of stepping in and doing this on their own. i think if you have a day in the government's legislation to impose a blanket over all security measure worry and that companies have restrictions on what they must report and must not report is appropriate but yes i do see private companies leading the charge here because government is jus overburdened right now to deal with this right doing this properly all right well a lot to discuss here i really do appreciate you taking the time to join us tonight thank you so much any time. just.

right it's time for the good the bad and the very terribly incoherently hideously ugly first up the good magic mushrooms as scientists at john johns hopkins school of medicine have been working on a new drug to help cancer patients as well as folks suffering from severe anxiety and good cause and so to make headway in the future of medicine the researchers found inspiration in the psychedelic past you see it turns out that the psycho active ingredients in so-called magic mushrooms actually transform individuals for the better living relationships with family and friends boosting self esteem lots of psychological benefits now the only trick here is finding that right perfect dose right high enough to have an effect but low enough to keep folks from floating off into the world of ponies and rainbows and marshmallow. anyway as the far out development of modern medicine man next up the bad canada well not really canada vancouver hockey fans to be exact yesterday evening the vancouver canucks

lost the stanley cup finals falling to the boston bruins four to zero in the seventh game now you may not be familiar with hockey i certainly am not a big fan of but this is a huge deal in canada where hockey is like their version of american idol so how did the fans decide to react take a look we have that video. they started a riot you see the fans took a. the streets to fight with each other throw beer bottles setting trash cans and cars on file over hockey i mean really my team had a puck in a goal with a stick less than another team did so i'm going to burn the friggin city down brilliant logic and i'm sorry canada but this time you have nobody to blame but yourselves. oh. what a real country. that's right there not in the very very very ugly target let's

take a look at the following propaganda video that the retail dot giant decided to show it to all of its new employees in order to scare them away from joining frightening communist gangs otherwise known as me and because we're the best it makes those of us that target a target ourselves we're charged because we're threat to unions the unions that represent grocery store workers when we take business away from unionized grocery stores that means they need fewer employees and fewer grocery store employees mean fewer union members fewer members that's a problem for the union business that's right ok well i think is a very very ugly video speaks for itself but there's a glorious silver ironic silver lining in all of this those who after that you saw were actually hired by target and they were both union members to take that target .

republicans in the house of representatives are constructing their next trojan horse for their war against women and children now breed in the agriculture appropriations bill which funds farm and food programs republicans are actually cutting more than eight hundred million dollars from the food assistance program known as w.i. c. which helps put food on the table for women infants and children but currently the program offers food assistance to more than ten million americans. that's ten million americans are americans who could potentially go hungry starving thanks to these g.o.p. budget cuts and here's the kicker the eight hundred million dollars that republicans are trying to take away from the poor and hungry cost just as much as one week's worth of the bush tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires this one week when it comes to a war against women that i guess don't really matter for these guys went away for tonight's daily tape here's what tom had to say about this and the conservative war against women first started and its effect on our nation today. since republicans took control of the house of representatives and state legislatures around the

nation it launched an all out war on women from defunding women's health care services to defunding planned parenthood to redefining rape to blocking legislation that provides equal pay for equal work for women you wonder if the next step for the republican party will be to repeal the one thousand amendment and take away women's rights to vote republicans are also cutting critical but all programs that assist low income families across the country and to make sure poor women don't get any help raising their kids will try to work republicans are cutting head start programs and slashing elementary school funding at the same time republicans of the feverish lee pushing corporate tax cuts regulation corporate welfare should be u.s. jobs overseas tax cuts for billionaires even doing away with the inheritance tax basically it's a strategy of let's deal for the poor especially women and give to the corporations and the rich c.e.o.'s. it makes you wonder do you conservatives think that

corporations are actual people. but women particularly poor and minority women are just second class citizens the truth is they do but this isn't anything new in america since that fateful supreme court case an eight hundred eighty six other pacific railroad versus santa clara county where the court reporter decided to take it upon himself to say that corporations are people and they should be granted all the same rights as people. despite the fact that the supreme court had actually ruled the exact opposite corporations have staked a claim to more and more rights that used to be reserved just for actual living and breathing people including the first amendment right to free speech the fourth member right to privacy the fourteenth amendment right to equal protection under the law meanwhile women and minorities actual people have seen their rights steadily taken away. eight hundred fifty six in the dred scott case the supreme court ruled that people african-americans in this case are property that decision

led directly to the civil war after which the thirteenth fourteenth and fifteenth amendments were past history of slavery out of the constitution and guarantee equal rights to everybody except women. during that same era in the bradwell versus illinois case the supreme court ruled that women couldn't claim rights under the fourteenth amendment because basically they were the property of their husbands that was partially reserved reversed in one nine hundred twenty with the nineteenth amendment eight women the vote but every year since one nine hundred twenty three a constitutional amendment has been proposed that simply says equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the united states or by any state on account of sex. and every year it's been shot down by conservatives in either congress or the states equal whites or an equal rights amendment still has not passed so women still don't have full rights that republicans feel quite calm comfortable with their war on women particularly poor women. the corporations they

got out rights. in twenty ten in the citizens united case the u.s. supreme court mirror image that dred scott ruling by saying that property is people and corporations have constitutional rights like the right to political free speech and frankly a new civil war has started. between the rich and the rapidly disappearing middle class today we are seeing the largest gap between the rich and the poor in america nearly a century there are fifty two million people without health insurance forty million people dependent on food stamps to survive and one in five american children live in poverty they corporations have never been better thanks to their personally game the system in the financial times noted today they're on course to see bigger profits this year than any time since one thousand nine hundred three as warren buffett said the rich are winning the war i say it's time to turn the tide let's strip personhood from corporations and embrace common sense only people should be

considered people. no more of our personhood for corporations that it is an insane concept it needs to be a bad mood. ok well that's it for tonight's episode of the big picture for more information on the school stories we've covered please visit our website at thom hartmann dot com and also our team dot com you can always check out our you tube page at youtube dot com slash the big picture of our team and as always you can download the entire show as a podcast a free podcast on i tunes and don't forget this tom always says democracy begins with you get out there get active and tatty or it. website with twenty four seven live streaming news towns what to do about the ongoing financial hardship unlimited free high quality videos for download. and stories you never find on mainstream news. in the me so of

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