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stationed on these bases site all around the world and we don't how far the bases are in america we don't have any british base we don't have any korean base we don't have any french bases or you know we just all american bases in our bases are fine there are the noises our noise who doesn't bother us at all because they're all bases but for other people it's almost like a cancer here for these people since the end of world war two the spaces i've been through. we're here to provide a safe and secure environment for everybody. the questions they have thing goes you get everything you needed. down the official ante up location on the phone called touch from the. lights on the go. video on demand all t.v.'s mine.
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and already just feeds now with the palm of your. question on all t.v. dot com. the russian economy must modernize rather than the major media that a pledge is trying to measure to create a better investment climate in the country speaking at the international economic forum in st pete is that he also warns that corruption and excessive state influence to business and trade threaten the country and about. u.s. congressmen warn about funding of the need to campaign saying a bond they've seen beginning and no it's taking formal approval text and american military involvement starting today the white house hasn't made it needs permission from time to time. and a new wave of protests in syria at the top toward the that round of sanctions. the
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country germany and france meanwhile say they will put pressure on russia and china to build a new resolution on syria which receives fearing its political build up for another media starlet. next day on the show focusing on what some claim is president obama a war against transparency. for the fleet we've got. the biggest issues getting voice ceased to face with the news makers. welcome to the lone show will get their real headlines with none of the mersey can live in washington d.c. now today will speak to the tenet colonel anthony shaffer who thinks that obama needs to give back the a war that he was given on transparency i say maybe we should give the nobel peace prize back as well then we'll speak to tim carney about how isolationism is
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becoming the new dirty word there any one of the g.o.p. who might be questioning our wars abroad but first let's take a moment to check out what the mainstream media has decided to waste it's time with while missing these bigger stories. well with wiener gate finally coming to a close what's the media to do what garbage can they dig up to keep filling their screens so they don't dare have to report on something that actually matters you know that would really suck for the right real analysis it's one of those things they try to avoid at all costs it's like the plague it's like changing a baby's diaper it's like getting your prostate checked ok i'll stop but i think you get the point there so it seems like this morning the real news most forward leaning trusted fair and balanced networks just turned on the today show and the early show to get some ideas a fight broke out this morning outside the casey anthony trial in orlando florida.
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punches were thrown as some people tried to cut in the lines already been a tense morning outside the casey anthony murder trial n.b.c.'s carrie sanders is at the court with the tale scary good morning. well good morning it was an ugly morning here outside the courthouse as folks jockeying for. position and like to get. really sixty two seats where the seats reveal more and store the function. that's right a fight broke out over a seat at the casey anthony trial a sure sign of the decrepitude of our society what in the midst of economic crisis the never ending wars that's what brings the true passion now so why do the news networks bother with any real stories one day you've got a viral video motions are running high outside the court room to where a fist fight broke out this morning among those waiting in line for a chance to get inside. signed a fevered emotions outside the casey anthony murder trial
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a fight broke out among people why they wanted to get into the courtroom anthony is accused of murdering her two year old daughter and people often spend hours in line waiting to go in and sit at this trial all day there were no arrests today in this melee but from now on they came up with a new idea they're going to hand out the tickets at four pm the day before. really are they going to start covering every single fight that breaks out we know that's the easy way out during the christmas season when you see those hundreds of shoppers flood the wal-mart in the macy's in the country but isn't it a little early to start getting that lazy i mean what's next fight over american idol tickets i will send chuck todd to the scene i've got an idea for what should be making the headlines want to take a look at this the pentagon reportedly wants the president to wait until the fall of two thousand and twelve to bring the thirty three thousand surge troops home but some on capitol hill are arguing the opposite a bipartisan group of senators is asking the president to bring the troops home
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beginning next month. yeah get a war going on way out there in afghanistan we got one hundred thousand troops well the place where we spend one million dollars per soldier per year the war that's become the longest in u.s. history next month a drawdown of our forces are scheduled to begin we have yet to hear from the president as. to what that to look like we have yet to hear from general petraeus as to what he's going to be recommending and finally finally a little whisper comes out that basically crushes the entire idea of a significant withdrawal as obama promised by the way after the killing of osama bin laden and there's no coverage fox news gave a good thirty seconds but everyone else. let's go over just a few points here the troop surge of thirty three thousand extra troops that obama decided to send in december of two thousand and nine was the first sign of major proof where this president would be taking this war and that means expanding it massively that surge specifically had an end date of july two thousand and eleven on it and now the pentagon wants to keep that surge until the fall of two thousand
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and twelve right before the presidential election but they swear that politics has nothing to do with it now we also know that the u.s. is quietly negotiating basing agreements with the afghan government so troops can stay far past the withdrawal deadline in fact so troops can in some way maintain a permanent presence there that's all at a time when the majority of americans don't think that the war has been worth fighting and when cuts are being made to social services while defense glides on through untouched this is a big freaking deal but for some reason the mainstream media is just so much more entertained by a video of fight over tickets to casey anthony's trial you want good pictures try actually covering a war where there's death destruction bombs guns a plenty but last year the media only devoted four percent of all of their coverage to the war in afghanistan and i've got a feeling the figures this time probably will be similar despite the fact that it's a war that takes more casualties with every passing year and i guess that that just might not suit some corporate owners appetite if anyone were to see what actually happens with the weapons that are produced in this country consequence is
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a dirty word that no one likes to talk about unless of course it plays out in a courtroom where pretty young girl is crying and that's where the cameras point all the wars completely missed them. well this year on march twenty eighth president obama was given a transparency award at the white house it was awarded to him by five open government organizations o.m.b. watch the national security archive the project on government oversight the reporters committee for freedom of the press and open the government or now if you remember we covered it here on this show but we couldn't show it to you because the entire ceremony was closed to the press a little bit ironic don't you think well now a number of prominent whistleblowers including daniel ellsberg and tony shaffer asking for those organizations to take it back join me to discuss this is lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer a senior fellow at the center for advanced defense studies and who still serving as
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a reserve lieutenant colonel tony thanks so much for joining us tonight now like i said we covered this on the show when it first happened when he was awarded this transparency award and we made a lot of fun of it because of course of the irony of them to him behind closed doors not allowing any press in and basically for the fact that he just doesn't deserve it so i want you and i to do an exercise right i'm going to start with some of the reasons why obama has become probably one of the least transparent presidents maybe you can just follow on an add on from there right we have this time of year he's a waging a war against against whistleblowers including thomas drake of course including whistle excuse me. let's see extraordinary rendition those are cases that he's thrown out we using the state secrets privilege about extraordinary rendition about torture about warrantless wiretapping he has a secret assassination list why don't you go on from there well i think obviously
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one of the things i'm most directly understand and know is the fact that they went after my book which we talked about number of times where the public has not been really been attention to it because of other scandals relating to shootings in the news of. these two lawsuits that are currently ongoing right now. do you date over the right to publish my first edition which duty destroyed ten thousand copies of an edition of that another whistle blowing organization or transparency organization known as judicial watch actually sued duty within the last month relating to documents they continue to refuse to to release regarding something called able danger which is also something we talk about so i think the grand irony here is after all those things you listed these are real so ongoing cases in the courts this very day and obviously the obama white house helping to try to resolve this in any way and i think you know even some of the easiest things they could have done like releasing those white house logs they also have not done
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it to this day but tony i want to get more into you know the story with your book let's not forget that they actually burned what was it ten thousand copies of the book once it was printed is that ever happened before you know it's more fact it's in president has never happened and the one of the funniest things was when i was first told this i told mark zaid my attorney good they're doing they're going to they're going to buy the books and destroy him and he said no that's not going to happen they've never done that so this was never done before and the bottom line here is that we still can't figure out why they did it i mean it was almost an emotional response to something you should have been done to talk about something it should have been done out of the public eye you would have thought it would have been this but i think many of us feel and i've talked to members of the whistleblowers this was done to send a message this was not something they did to secure national security it was meant to intimidate and try to force people or make people think twice about doing any anything and we speaking up against any issues what do you think that any of it has
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really been you know in the defense of national security of course that's the reasoning that they use but does any of it actually help in the let's say that some of those trials were able to go on without state secrets privilege is being invoked there these things are mostly publicized because of the fact that they are suppressed and because of the fact that state secrets privilege is are used and the trial. doesn't actually go anywhere well that's part of the issue here and i think this is a trend that's very frightening and the american people should understand this the executive branch is now trying to establish the president's that they don't have to share anything classified with additional has nothing so the idea here is that the executive branch wants to have a card launch a blank check to do all the wrongdoing it wants because we can make a classified anytime we don't want somebody to see it and frankly that is what happened especially over the last two years if they don't want to talk about someone who becomes a state secret classified we can't talk about it and clearly that is not the intent
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of having a system of security checks and balances i had of course these five organizations decided to give them a transparency of work now i'm guessing that this is maybe more of a symbolic move right it's not that big of a deal this is a this award but why are you guys really going after them and saying you know give it back if anything i would say give back the nobel peace prize i think that was even less earned. well i think he got the prize for because he wants to insinuate peace in any message at any cost with that said i think the whole idea of what we're seeking is to is for really ultimately accountability one of the things that's very clear and only wrong daniel bryan and i would like them i get along with them might help them in print preview circumstance they help me in this case i think it would be counterproductive to not call them on the issue to say there's something dreadfully wrong here and if you all can see it then there's something wrong with the whistle blowing process so i think it's old emily calling foul on
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the very same groups which push the government they have to a account for why they allowed to go for this in secret i mean come on a secret transparency ceremony that's like a sort of that live skit and the other thing is i think everybody is just fed up everybody not just the whistleblowers with this whole idea that there's total transparency here general petraeus met the white house yesterday that was not a public meeting why everybody knows afghanistan is being discussed why would you not disclose that this is part of the problem well let's actually go on to some of the revelations that we learned about afghanistan this week we learned of course that there are secret negotiations going on for it for bases to be built for basically a permanent presence to be arranged within afghanistan we also found out that somewhere in the persian gulf there is a base being built from which to launch drones if you ask me that sounds like we're there for the long haul and not like we're planning on winding down any of our operations in the middle east and is correct in his work one of the things on the troops and the reporter not one of the sticking points was cars i was actually
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telegraphing to the negotiators that he wanted to stay in for another term after twenty fourteen so i think that was one of the big sticking points is like you know it's kind of like what's going on here the problem is this no one has clearly defined the end state other than to say we want to have a stable government really you know ok why is why is that so important when the very government so is corrupt secondly what is in it for the. long term is it afghanistan it is not afghanistan it's the indian pakistani conflict president obama said this is the real issues and we're seeing this play out from the press right now with with the problems with the guys i mean like a standing army pakistan is the issue they have nuclear weapons and so frankly i'm not quite sure why we're pushing so hard in afghanistan when the issues that we should be looking at as a nation are really in the other nations around afghanistan ok finally i just want to ask you one last question adam a switch back over to yemen even though we're talking about afghanistan in the region here you and i have had this talk before about the legality of doing certain
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things and now we find out they're expanding the cia's role in launching drone strikes because i guess it takes away some of the attention or because they think that it's legally not as sticky as you know if the military might be carrying them out do you really mean is there any legal precedent for the cia to do it over the military for anyone to really be doing that well the bottom line is there has to be an approval by president obama to do this some would call the finding a finding of something that's proof to the president he has to get congressional approval so whatever is doing going on congress is going on with that said i'm not for the expansion of and the drone program it's the lazy man's way of war you're logging things and you don't know the target all the time you killed so many civilians and i think the overall game of what you you are you cute can get by killing these people shooting things who are so strong is not worth the ultimate review good and frankly i am for capturing people interrogating him and finding out what they know a dead man does not talk so right now whatever is happening it's commercially
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driven at least a congressional approval mistretta me correct that but is something along that line i think the obama administration's in love with the drone programs and for all the wrong reasons i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight as always and you know we'll see if that transparency award actually gets taken out of his hands that also now whole thing about that thank you again. and i'll go. rather still a lot more to come tonight while also here it is that having fun with government websites at their expense and announcement from the n.s.a. makes many people question if their counter techniques are going to cross the line and is isolationism a dirty word for the g.o.p. presidential candidates are siding with a typical republican policies but does that make them outcasts within their own party will find out when we come back.
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economy hollywood those are the typical topics you often hear on the news but recently there's been a new topic that they just can't help but pay attention to hackers and the cyber world now anonymous and low security have proven that they're a force to be reckoned with after they successfully have taken over several government websites including senate dot gov and cia and that's something that obviously concerns the government so much so the national security agency has announced of they'll be taking part in a pilot program where they're going to team up with internet service providers to scan e-mails and other digital traffic to stop a cyber attack before it happens now this project apparently started last month and as of now it's all happening on a voluntary trial basis with regular i as p s like eighteen t. and verizon and it's all directed at the internet traffic that goes towards defense contractors but the gist here is the n.s.a. is going to keep tabs on what data gets sent to these firms in
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a term and if any of that information seems suspicious or unusual let's get a little question here and they would also appear that this is really is just i don't know a segue for the government to start keeping tabs on all of us critics are already calling for some sort of regulation a discussion before this pilot program becomes the norm you know they say that this could become a backdoor form of surveillance for all people now hypothetically the government can keep tabs on what you're doing online e-mails even who you interact with on social media sites so could this be more evidence of the government's newfound obsession with the cyber world see just a short while back we told you how d.c. is amping up its cyber department and more importantly the back of the obama administration is claiming a cyber attack is legitimate grounds for engaging in war the white house released a report saying when warranted the united states will respond to hostile acts in cyberspace as we would to any other threat to our country we reserve the right to use all necessary means diplomatic international military and economic in order to bend our nation so it's become pretty clear the obama going to. sure feels
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justified in taking any cyber threats or questionable cyber activity as grounds for starting a war and frankly the mainstream media is playing a right along with team obama on this one but the tories computer group known as a low security has been on a rampage lately this week they openly posted sixty two thousand stolen years of names and passwords of regular internet users they've hacked p.b.s. show me and now the u.s. senate and even the cia they've set up a hotline to take requests for which sites to attack next if groups like these can wreak havoc freely what does that mean about our ability to fight actual cyber terrorism that's taking place from china and russia and to protect our most vital online assets now it's my understanding that the russians and the chinese and whether it's efficiently sanctioned by the government or not that's an open question but they are the most active internationally trying to various things in u.s. government systems at what point do we call this what it is which is
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a form of terrorism. well a form of terrorism and let's make a few points crystal clear here when it comes to security yes they're considered hackers but they've successfully interfered with government sites like senate dot gov and cia doc up there was that information take it from those pages that was trucked odd bringing in the russians and the chinese into the discussion revolving around first of all nobody's found a correlation between the hacker groups in those countries and as his guest later points out to him one of the best tricks out there for hackers is make it seem like it came from one place when it really came from another so maybe we should just slow down for one second before we start labeling people terrorists now as of this n.s.a. pilot program i easily argue that this is definitely not the first time the government scanned your e-mails hello there the government and there have been several reports in the past where the government considered keeping tabs on what you do on the worldwide web now frankly i had that money that that's already happened so could this pilot program announcement just be a p.r.
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move to make it pretend lie. they have already invaded your privacy i'm just predicting that right now the d.o.d. is going to create a cyber terrorism watch list just like they do for the no fly list and the like it's only a matter of time. now does opposing america's endless wars abroad make you an isolationist is a description that we hear thrown out there a lot and even more often lately directed towards members of the g.o.p. ron paul's long call for us to stop bombing muslim countries and bankrupting ourselves and tarnishing america's name and focus on getting our own house in order but last week even mitt romney joined it i want those troops to come home based upon not politics not based upon economics but instead based upon the conditions on the ground the term about the generals but i also think we've learned. that our troops shouldn't go off and try and fight a war of independence for other nation only the afghanis can win afghanistan's independence from the taliban. and that's a state with a staff quickly had to start walking back by the way it's a little too radical for the establishment republicans but at the end of the day
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opposing war doesn't mean you want to cut off your country from the rest of the world let's face it the u.s. is the world's reserve currency and as globalized world we depend not only on investment in our bonds and lots of it but trade with other countries as well so why has isolationist become the dirty word to throw around and it's true isolationism even exist anymore here discuss this with me is tim carney senior political columnist for the washington examiner temp thanks so much for being having me you seem especially irked by this terror of isolation is being thrown around some of the g.o.p. candidates or even you know politicians out there why well it was a couple of days ago both national public radio and time magazine on their web site had items talking about republican new isolationism and one of the. people he pointed out was john huntsman he is running for president former governor of utah and he had said well maybe we shouldn't we shouldn't go into libya and we should
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get out of afghanistan. and the word isolationism used with him struck me as utterly absurd considering this is the former ambassador to china and to singapore deputy secretary of commerce and deputy u.s. trade representative who has a degree in international relations but the word isolationist was use simply to refer to somebody who opposes some foreign interventions or opposes nation building . just try salaciousness me even exist anymore like i said i mean think about the way the world works today and if you want to be a true isolationist the not only are not engaging in military endeavors around the world that means you're closed off to the world completely no trade agreements you're not involved in these type of treaties and even if even if you were to take a looser definition of it what i see is that the word gets used as a slur to attack people who resist foreign interventions for military operations so ron paul being called an isolationist strikes me as absurd because he believes in open immigration and completely free trade so if you believe in those two things i don't think you can be called an isolationist and again if you look at who is using
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the word not so much time magazine but other places. are insinuating that the liberal press is using the word and a lot of a lot of the more hawkish conservative press will use the word isolationists as an insult to try to be little the people who oppose their wars as being somehow narrow minded while i think you know that's the problem here is that everyone sees things in such black and white there's just no nuance there's no in between because the way the isolationists might be thrown out a few republican candidates out there you know being someone who isn't conservative minded myself if i don't support going to war or occupying a country that apparently i'm unpatriotic if i don't support torturing people then apparently that makes me a terrorist simply isolationist i guess is mostly used against conservatives right liberal if they're going to be slaughtered for opposing the war they're called the commie peacenik or hippie it is mostly used against conservatives but the nuance is appearing again in the republican field i think that you can have mitt romney be taking sort of a middle view that you're not just saying oh we're going to invade libya stay in
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afghanistan stay in iraq that some people are trying to say yes here and no there are some nuance is returning to the republican field and that is a blessing and i think the media can help that along but no longer using these terms like isolation i mean the media is pretty worthless these days i think we've realized that by watching we negate for the past few weeks that they they can only do things that we are. you know or who are for some completely black and white but i'm curious though do you really think you said that a little bit of nuance is entering the debate again the discussion isn't sincere because i feel like if people were really concerned about you know some of our endeavors abroad that we would hear more about our shadow wars that we're waging in pakistan or in ghana and the use of drones right now they're just talking out about libya but i feel like that's just an easy republican talking point because hey it's easy to. criticize the president on this one because he launched a war illegally i actually think the conservative viewpoint that natural conservative viewpoint is one that looks at the united states' role in
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international policy especially in the poll post cold war era as being one that george bush used to describe as a humble foreign policy and that for the free market limited government people there's also a natural tendency against those invasions and that having a democrat in power sort of allows that that natural conservative tendency to rise up so i do think you're seeing it and sure maybe it was part of the support of the republican war in oppose a democratic war but i do think it is natural on the right to believe in a more humble foreign paul i find it a little hard to believe me you ask you tell me really having almost or actually we don't really know because there is no documentation of the true number of the amount of bases that we have worldwide but figures will say we probably have more than a thousand bases around the world i wouldn't call that a humble policy and that's something that's been built up for decades now and you're right before even before nine eleven there were a quarter million u.s. troops positioned overseas during the cold war there was a threat to the united states there is a view that there is this bipolar world and you had to defend it and then after the
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fall of the soviet union there was a thought of well we've got this big military we want it we're going to need a new enemy because you know the shooting needs to be and so that's i think part of what happened is. the military industrial complex was made permanent but still there are there is pressure on both the left and the right to. focused our military on protecting vital american interests i just don't see enough that pressure because like i said i mean let's go back to the g.o.p. debate for a moment right if everybody's talking about the economy they're talking about jobs they're talking about the need to cut social security or medicare or the social services that people depend on not once did anybody mention defense cuts they didn't even toyed with it might not have come up in the last debate but you know that is john paul jones you do see jon huntsman if you can't find anything to cut in defense and you're not working hard enough ron paul's talking that way herman cain you know we sure tim pawlenty and mitt romney might not be talking that way.
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