broken the law nischelle for real headlines with none of them are as they are going to live in washington d.c. now today we're going to be telling you about a new poll that shows that seventy two percent of americans think the u.s. is militarily involved in too many countries are going to see how that applies to libya are things that he going wrong for nato then lol second anonymous have declared war on governments and big banks or how might the u.s. government fire back and it turns out of the death penalty it's cost california taxpayers four billion dollars so is that going to be enough to get people to call

for change a look at all that and more tonight but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media decided to waste their time on almost all the big stories. oh there's a lot going on in the world from economic crises to endless wars but in the mainstream media world none of that stuff matters we are gates over but that's to their dismay actually a luckily the trial of casey anthony continues breaking news at this hour from orlando in the casey anthony murder trial the judge recessed court until tomorrow morning there was supposed to be a full day of testimony today but proceedings were delayed from the start and the judge not happy about the bombshell this morning in the casey anthony murder trial the judge pulls the plug on any more testimony today and then scolds the lawyers for both sides if nothing else and in orlando the judge in the casey anthony murder . trial canceled testimony for today he spent the morning scolding the lawyers for

what he called gamesmanship. and it's been a literal non stop of the girl for the past few months old lane and of course judging you know the moralistic return a list of mainstream obvious cannot get enough of showing pictures of attractive young females and figuring out where it all went wrong you just wait until the amanda knox hysteria picks back up i've already seen a number of reporters doing live shots from italy because that's what's worth spending money on to make sure that you have reporters on the ground to cover every last detail again the corporate interests dumbing you down clearly pointing out if they didn't then do you know what the mainstream media would be covering right now how about a new report put out by the a.p. on our nuclear power industry after a lengthy investigation what they found isn't pretty and that's because as usual it involves corruption a collusion between government and industry that allowed nuclear plants to keep operating despite some incredibly valid safety concerns and you want to know why

they keep operating that's because industry convinces the regulators to lower the standards see when valves leak they just change the standards to allow twenty percent more leakage when rampant cracking caused radioactive leaks from steam generator tubing and easier test of tubes was devised every time something goes wrong the nuclear industry runs to the congress points finger says of these regulations are far too conservative then they get in change and most of our nuclear power stations were built in the sixty's in the seventy's and they were only meant to last forty years but do you know what else the a.p. found that sixty six of one hundred four operating units have been relicensed for twenty more years now considering what the entire world just witnessed in japan plant you'd think that the media would pay a little more attention to an investigation like this especially when there's flooding going on right now in a brass but right near the fort calhoun of brownsville nuclear power plants calhoun has been shut down ground rules operating at only thirty percent and both of describe the situation as merely an unusual event. personally i'd like

a little more detail into what's going on wouldn't you after the ab's investigation i definitely don't trust the government to do it but apparently you can't trust the media either could be their laziness could be the fact they don't want to actually have to do any investigating or it could be something else like maybe the money that comes from advertisements that play on their news channels today nuclear energy provides one fifth of america's electricity tomorrow could supply even more and nuclear power plants to make greenhouse gases so they preserve our environment . we need to reduce our dependence on foreign energy and we also need clean air with nuclear energy we can do but. yeah i'm not terribly sure which one it is could be both laziness and serving the corporate overlords but in the meantime that's what your main stream media has been missing. tensions remain high in libya's nato claimed responsibility for the deaths of the

nine civilians but this news comes as the libyan health ministry alleges that nato supplying for the death of eight hundred civilians since the intervention began so how do libyans feel about the foreign presence in their country artie's marie if the notion has more. mohammad heard his extended family used to be one of the biggest in the neighborhood and natives will mean killed five of them by his father one of his brothers a sister and her own family mohammed shows us the picture of little jumana his niece taken on his mobile phone just days before he pulled her dead body from under the tree. i woke up when i heard an explosion he said the roof fell on me i ran immediately see how my family is and many were dead my mother survived another brother is in a coma and we don't know when or if he will recover but how does that not three days be livin in this agreement district in tripoli it's home to many hours incomplete for most from one family this is just a regular city

a quarter quite densely populated built up area this is what used to be there had his house the three story buildings are reduced in ruins in just moments after being hit in a missile strike amman mohammed's brother who survived says they will never again forget what nato has done to them destroying their lives and hands that they should take responsibility for their wrongdoing and nato has responded with an apology. intended target during our air strike in tripoli was a military. however from our initial assessment of the facts it appears that one weapon did not strike the intended target utra weapons systems failure although officials in tripoli claim more than eight hundred civilians have died in nato raids the nine people they say were killed in sunday's bombardment of the city have become the first civilian casualty is officially acknowledged by the alliance only

on saturday nato has also admitted another mistake in a strike this time on rebel forces neither live in all pools of brag or the number of casualties not being disclosed we hold nato would hold mr cameron was the cause of this guy the better scorning mr obama has already and he could just possible put the deaths of these innocent children innocent winds and gales and innocent fathers and mothers you cannot justify just attacking the enemy this was that incident in. sunday's fatal error occurs in the rise in concerns with a nato operation in northern africa only eight out of its twenty eight members have joined the mission to protect civilians in libya which raises the question how many would support one to kill them ration option or r.t. tripoli. the death of libyan civilians by

a nato airstrike on sunday couldn't have come the worse time for selling this war daven side amongst nato allies is already limited with only eight nations taking part in the european public is reeling from debt crises and protesting against austerity that's for the u.s. involvement president obama is taking heat for overruling justice department lawyers and forging his own legal explanation for why he didn't need congressional approval and that's an explanation that many members of congress aren't buying as ten bipartisan members of already filed a lawsuit against the administration and more moves that may come this week to vote against funding but a new poll from pulse opinion research might be even more telling seventy two percent of those polled said the u.s. is involved in too many foreign conflicts and should pull back its troops only sixteen percent said the current level of engagement represented an appropriate level americans also don't think of the wars are making the country any safer thirty seven percent said the continued presence of troops in afghanistan makes no impact on national security and forty percent said the same about iraq so what are

politicians going to get it the people don't want any more war joining me to discuss this is matthew das national security policy analyst at the center for american progress thanks so much for being here tonight let's start with libya and of course the news coming out this week and now i guess any military mind will tell you well that's what happens in any kind of military conflict is there's always collateral damage but how can it do you think that this specific attack would be after all we're supposedly supposed to be there to protect civilians there isn't any charism fighting going on the way that you can say in afghanistan or in pakistan well sure when you're driving. resident there are places where people live this is going to happen unfortunately. i think it's notable that this is the knowledge of the first time that the libyan government has actually brought journalists and showed real evidence they've claimed civilian casualties before but never really given journalists this sort of access to demonstrate something like this so i think it's clear that this is in fact. number of civilians were killed in

addition to this just unfortunately being one aspect of war there's also the fact that we have very few intelligence assets on the ground in libya right now and when you don't have spotters there on the ground to make sure that these mistakes don't happen they unfortunately do happen i think the libyan government has really seized upon this somewhat justifiably to kind of rally libyans around the government they spoke in a very very strong sort of appeal to not only be abused but muslims throughout the region more generally claim to be asking them to rise up against the united states but it's certainly not helping the effort. and helping the effort of course part of the problem when you're going somewhere to help civilians or if that's the way that you're going to try to sell it and you have no actual numbers for how many civilians have been killed definitely makes the situation difficult but you know i don't really think that they needed this attack for a rallying cry because the end of the day let's face it it is a civil war two that's going on there is a lot of support for gadhafi within the country and i'm just wondering how long i think my assumption is that nato leaders are hoping that at some point time is

going to go against him and that he just can't hold out for a longer when his time start going against nato when do they have to say may be getting coffee out can't be the goal anymore and we have to start tracking down or at least minimizing successes so that's a real problem i have a very hard time imagining a point at which nato says well we gave it a good shot but he's not going anywhere so let's just pull out so that the two options right now seem to be a just a continued protracted conflict stalemate or be eventually goes. the way that these things tend to go is that yes i mean i think you can say that a stalemate was in some senses one of the possible goals here given that we wanted to prevent what many people thought was going to be a massacre in benghazi but you know these are two very good options here now you know i think we also have to talk about the fact that the obama administration and we covered this last week and i personally don't buy. i obama's legal justification

for it i think it's plain simple the war is illegal i mean even under the worst powers act there was no imminent threat to the united states there is no reason for us to go into libya but he's done this interesting thing where we found out from reports to offer in the new york times that in fact he overruled justice department lawyers and went around and picked out a few legal minds that he knew might side with that is not something that we've seen george bush do when it came to you and i say wiretapping when it came to the torture memos i think you can make those kinds of comparisons sure personally i'm very i find the legal rationale that was brought out to argue for not going to congress for approval very suspect myself i would be very careful about it i think choosing to invade and occupy iraq choosing with the bush administration the ends to which they put these sorts of games i think are very much different from this one example with libya again i mean someone who just somewhat reluctantly comes out just a shade in favor of the intervention i realize there are a lot of problems with it but having had your friends and contacts in libya i convinced that there would have been

a massive atrocity carried out in benghazi the debate whether this is actually in our interest i think you know it's a tough question but on the specific question of the legal rationale you know i think i have really issues with all that is the thing to me too though is that now we finally see of course some republican g.o.p. candidates that are starting to say they don't agree with it i think in many ways that's an easy talking point to use against the president right now because like i said the legal rationale just isn't there but at the end of the day i think about it if obama would actually ask for congressional approval i'm sure they would have said yes but you know i think that's true but i also think we can't let congress off the could hear him i honestly don't think we can let them off the hook which is why i think this whole is so important because of course you have to take every poll as a grain of salt but seventy two percent of people think we're in just one too many countries so is libya nonsense what we needed for people to say finally i'm fed up i'm outraged make it stop it's possible but i think it's just the kind of cumulative effect of all of these interventions and you know these wars afghanistan iraq relationship with culture. like yemen where we're you know carrying out these

drone attacks but we're not really clear what the nature of the it is i think a lot of americans after you know years of this very difficult economic times they see the millions and billions of dollars we're spending overseas they see the difficulties we're going through every year and they're asking well what are we getting from all of this but we're not getting a whole lot of you ask me but i think do you think about why perhaps. politicians like ron paul share ron paul wins a lot of polls and you can say that he has a hard core a dedicated following he won another straw poll overwhelmingly in new orleans right just this past week at the g.o.p. conference but do you think there's something more to it that finally people are thinking you know he's not a fringe candidate because this is at least somebody who i you know whom i agree with when it comes to stopping the war is because we can't afford them anymore but i think there's going back many years there's always been this much more you want to call it isolationist or just much more modest strain of republican conservative foreign policy and you have been you conservatives because you know i have lots of grand ideas about america intervening all over the world to spread values or

democracy or what have you but there is another tradition in the conservative movement that has been somewhat eclipsed by the neo cons but it's really put i feel i mean we have sounds like it's rising right past go back into the mainstream right i think that's very much true it still doesn't appear to have the sort of policy making apparatus that the neoconservatives do it doesn't control many think it's not there are not so many pundits who are kind of hip to their ideas but i think that's changing and i think we're going to see that continue to change and we're definitely seeing a. big move when it comes to congress in terms of wanting to get troops out of afghanistan and finding an actual troop reduction not just two thousand troops out of one hundred thousand and with course we've seen governors from across the united states also sign on to get us out president obama is now reportedly going to be announcing some numbers on wednesday do you have any guesses as to how many troops you think we might actually see you know i would you know are depressed to guess i think will be larger than a lot of people think. i don't know if i would put it around ten thousand or more

but i think with the with the killing of osama bin ladin i think there's a real argument and i think this is reflected in that poll that you mentioned people have said well this was the guy this was our real kind of on our enemy who led the attacks on us on the eleventh we've got him so what are we still doing mucking around in afghanistan people i think are realizing that there the connection is no longer there now that osama bin laden is gone then what's the point and of course the pentagon if we found out last week is asking for those troops to stay or at least the surge the same fall of two thousand and twelve but hopefully we'll get some better news on wednesday not thanks so much for joining us . also to come tonight talk about grades on this show tonight a different take on the control race and where we have a war on terror we've got to warn whistleblowers and now could we see a war on. a dive into that topic back. into the only real military mechanisms do the work to bring justice or.

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leg. police brutality it's an issue that we choose to focus on regularly on this show and why i laugh because it's something in the mainstream media too often overlooks reason magazine is also adamant about revealing these overly aggressive rates though and on their networks recent t.v. they have a video from toronto based musician lindy and it carries a very strong message check out. the very. front of. us we. are here for you. to. read. these. now that was just a snippet from lindy we definitely recommend you visit reason t.v.'s website to view the song in its entirety and why again because the message is strong it's slightly disturbing and it's a reminder to americans how many of these incidents are overlooked huffington post

radley balko formerly of reason was reported as many as forty thousand of these raids happen every hear or someone's hurt or killed inside their own home let's give kudos to a blogger who's now dedicated his page to another all too common a victim of these no knock raids the docks red carpets pages called dogs that cops kill and it gives the full story and reason for the canine jets and here's just one example of ray that left a family's dog dead immediately after a swat team busted down their door. ok. ok. now that disturbing videos from two thousand and ten were a swat team in missouri raided the home and shot the cat while there were children inside the house but those are just a few samples out of many more incidents and while the mainstream media continues

to overlook the trend the law to show won't something has to be done to stop swat teams from invading homes and such. aggressive manner so we're going to keep bringing you those stories until they stop. now looks like a little security and anonymous have just cleared war on governments and big banks so yesterday also released a statement to announce of the two groups have joined forces and are launching what they call operation and security and if they wrote together we can defend ourselves so that our privacy is not overrun by profiteering gluttons and if you're aware of the corruption expose it now in the name of anti security now according to the statement the top priority is to steal and leak any classified government information including email schools and documentation and the prime targets are banks and other high ranking establishment now so far lol so it has done a pretty convincing job of exposing the government and security firms very poor security on their websites and now the us like an anonymous have stepped it up a notch i think governments do the same in return the obama administration's

already pressing congress to create harsher penalties for breaking into government computers and putting national security at stake can law enforcement really keep up with the known hackers joining me to discuss this is joshua grant's bench cyber security fellow at the center for democracy and technology russia thanks so much for being here tonight thanks for having me now of course hackers didn't just appear this year they've been around for a long time but i feel like it's being done in a very public manner now thanks to groups like anonymous and security do you think that we're seeing you know something something different begin to emerge or a larger movement i think what we're seeing is actually a number of different kinds of hacking events all appear at once so for example we had the sony and epsilon data breaches that were basically criminal activity and then we saw the national security threat that was posed by the breaking into google accounts of how the government officials an anonymous are in some sense almost a slightly lower level of threat than those kinds of threats but again we're seeing

them all at once and that as a group as the leaks those. threats seem more dangerous we i mean last like anonymous you can say obviously initially they said they were just doing it for the law and not of this was a little more politically active but now the two are joining forces i guess you could say that d.d. o. s. attacks aren't really a grave danger to national security by any means but now they've actually gone after cia now they've actually touched on senate are we going to see a massive reaction from the government now they feel like they're being personally attacked i think that is in some sense the biggest potential fallout from this kind of thing when you see people that design not terribly dangerous attacks in any way that makes them look to be garnering then all of a sudden policymakers see that they see a very visible threat that me not be as much of an actual threat as as you know a network security engineer might have it but that can garner

a very strong response as a reality we've already seen you know at least reportedly that's looking at the officials or law enforcement claims that they've arrested members of anonymous be it in spain or in a rest of the people here in the u.s. but do you really think that's something that they should be devoting their scarce resources to or are there much more you know serious actors blackcaps and people they have to be worried about i think that there are much more serious events that they do need to be worried about fact we've seen examples of that as i said earlier in the last month the last two months we've seen very serious break ins to the internal networks of corporations that deal with united states national security secrets we've seen problems that are potentially lead to the identity theft of many millions of americans and these kinds of role sec and anonymous activities don't really measure up to those but do you think it's just a typical embarrassment problem with the government right i mean we see it let's

say we see the government waging a war against whistleblowers right now and obviously we can leaks although to this day. there had been no confirmation from any politicians from any military officials that any lives were actually put into jeopardy or anybody was actually killed because of any of the wiki leaks disclosures but you could always say that because it's just something that embarrassed of the government like so many of those diplomatic cables do and they will fight tooth and nail to do whatever they can to go after them i think that also especially has done a pretty good job of exposing the fact that the government itself is vulnerable that some of the security firms of the government relies on to fake out its web sites are also incredibly vulnerable so i'm just wondering if we're going to see this incredible tenacity because it's just hard to bear and for that i think we will see some of that and actually i think that might lead to one of the biggest problems that we see in the substrate every day which is the government inserting itself into the private sector and that's because you know the government says that's not secure enough we see all these security problems at the same time we're we're seeing things like these hacks in the government for the government security

sites therefore the question sort of becomes is the government really the right group of people to be securing the private sector internet well what do you make of this this project that they announced last week this pilot program in fact that the n.s.a. is doing where they're partnering with private companies because they're trying to secure these contractors and i kind of had a feeling that they were doing that. now even years that stupid to just assume that they're already working with private companies that you know if you're going to have a spy on people i think that what they were doing before was working with a private company sort of a one off basis like i am a private company i see something that concerns me i call in the n.s.a. the industry works with me this is a more systematic program and actually from our perspective that's a pilot program that's being done very well it's a pilot program that takes into account the privacy needs of users by sharing signatures from the n.s.a. so security sort of signatures of malware and other bad things and project networks cheering them out from the n.s.a.

to those private your networks but not sharing any information back to the n.s.a. from what gets caught from listening to. and therefore comparatively speaking that seems to be a fairly but security program ok and i want to ask you what you think of the fact that the obama administration right now is pushing congress trying to get them to to legislate to move up the maximum penalty right currently if you break into a government computer and. the excuse that they always use national security is at stake there is a ten year maximum prison sentence now they actually want to make it a twenty year sentence and they want to add mandatory minimum so that you have to get at least three years for breaking into a computer we think that that is a little dubious mostly because the statute that they're thinking of amending computer fraud and abuse act is actually a statute that's been used in some very broad and troubling way it's always are as they always are. been used to to prosecute people who violated

terms of service on a website or people who have violated their contractual acceptable use policy is it an employee use of a company or is there any way they can actually use that against security or anonymous with anything if they have done or maybe what they are planning on doing with this operation and i security since they're saying that governments are one of their targets i think i think a number of the activities that by anonymous are low sec have participated in and contemplate principally to get a future would fall under the entity that statute and so now the statutes penalties are doubled i think it's very important to clarify what exactly is covered by that so that you before we go about extending the penalties ok now lastly i think that you know in general right now there is this mood around the world thanks to the financial crisis thanks to the fact that it was a lot of banks that brought down the entire economy there is this anti financial institution anti-government mood so i'm just wondering if anonymous and also can actually play their cards right if they don't start going after minor figures and

they do get some big leaks out there i mean do you think that it could be a bit of a game changing event i think that could be the kind. thing that would awaken people to the democratic potential beyond it and we've already seen a number of events like that in egypt in iran and in syria as we've sort of seen the democratization of the internet that said i think that the real power of the internet in that kind of democratic protest the organization of people more than it's in the kind of. social protest that you see with all second anonymous. thank you very much for joining us and i guess on what the information is that they get out there and what the leaks are. people thank you so much. still to come tonight you said it i read it i respond to some of the comments that you left on line about the shelf and if you know that it cost the state of california or of million dollars to execute thirteen prisoners tonight we're looking at the insane.