casey anthony continues breaking news at this hour from orlando in the casey anthony murder trial the judge recess court until tomorrow morning there was supposed to be a full day of testimony today but proceedings were delayed from the start and the judge not happy about the bombshell this morning in the casey anthony murder trial the judge pulls the plug on any more testimony today and then scolds the lawyers for both sides enough is enough orlando the judge in the casey anthony murder trial canceled testimony for today he spent the morning scolding the lawyers for what he called gamesmanship. and it's been a literal non stop the girl for the past few months oh going and of course judging you know the moralistic paternalistic mainstream mob just cannot get enough of showing pictures of attractive young females and figuring out where it all went wrong you just wait until the amanda knox hysteria picks back up i've already seen a number of reporters doing live shots from italy because that's what's worth

spending money on to make sure that you have reporters on the ground to cover every last detail again the corporate interests dumbing you down clearly winning out if they didn't then do you know what the mainstream media would be covering right now how about a new report put out by the a.p. on our nuclear power industry after a lengthy investigation what they found isn't pretty and that's because as usual it involves corruption a collusion between government and industry that's allowed nuclear plants to keep operating despite some incredibly valid safety concerns and you want to know why they keep operating that's because industry convinces the regulators to lower the standards see when valves leak they just change the standards to allow twenty percent more leakage when it quote rampant cracking caused radioactive leaks from steam generator tubing and easier test of tubes was devised the every time something goes wrong the nuclear industry runs to the congress points finger says of these regulations are far too conservative and then they get them change most of our nuclear power stations are built in the sixty's in the seventy's and they were all. meant to last forty years but do you know what else the a.p.

found that sixty six of one hundred four operating units have been relicensed for twenty more years now considering what the entire world just witnessed in japan at the fukushima plant you'd think that the media would pay a little more attention to an investigation like this especially when there's flooding going on right now in a brassica right near the four calhoun of brownsville nuclear power plants calhoun has been shut down ground that was operating at only thirty percent and both of describe the situation as merely an unusual event personally i'd like a little more detail into what's going on wouldn't you after the a.p. is investigation i definitely don't trust the government to do it but apparently you can't trust the media either could be their laziness could be the fact that they don't want to actually have to do any investigating or it could be something else like maybe the money that comes from advertisements the play on their news channels today nuclear energy provides one fifth of america's electricity tomorrow could supply even more and you clear power plants don't emit greenhouse gases to

the preserve our environment. we need to reduce our dependence on foreign energy and we also need clean air with nuclear energy we can do but. yeah i'm not totally sure which one it is could be both laziness and serving the corporate overlords but in the meantime that's what your mainstream media has been missing. tensions remain high in libya's nato claimed responsibility for the deaths of the nine civilians but this news comes as the libyan health ministry alleges that nato is to blame for the death of eight hundred civilians since the intervention began so how do libyans feel about the foreign presence in their country artie's marie if the notion a has more. mohammad heard his extended family used to be one of the biggest in the neighborhood and they table mean killed five with him by his father one of his brothers a sister and her own family mohammed shows us the picture of little jumana his

niece taken on his mobile phone does days before he pulled her dead body from on the day. i woke up when i heard an explosion she started to piece of the roof fell on me and i ran immediately to see how my family is and many were dead my mother survived another brother is in a coma and we don't know when or if he will recover that had is that not three days we live in in this agreement district entry fully it's home to many our aging can pay for most from one family this is just a regular city quarter quite densely populated built up area this is what used to be there had his house but three story buildings are reduced in ruins in just moments after being hit in a missile strike home on mohammed's brother who survived says they will never forgive or forget what nato has done to them destroying their lives and hands that they should take responsibility for their wrongdoing and nato has responded with an

apology or. intended target during last night's strike in tripoli was a military missile site. however from our initial assessment of the facts it appears that one weapon did not strike the intended target due to a weapons systems failure although officials in tripoli claim more than eight hundred civilians have died in nato raids the nine people they say were killed in sunday's bombardment of the city have become the first civilian casualty is officially acknowledged by the alliance well known such a day nato has also admitted another mistake in a strike this time on rebel forces need to leave in oil port of bragger with a number of casualties not been disclosed we who are nato going to hold mr cameron mr thought it was just going to scorn in mr obama has already and he could response support for the deaths of these innocent children innocent one of them careless and innocent fathers and mothers you cannot justify this attack with

your name in this up or that incident in. sunday's fatal error occurs in the rising concerns within nato about his operation in northern africa only eight out of its twenty eight members have joined the mission to protect civilians in libya which raises the question how many would support one to kill them. r t tripoli. the death of libyan civilians by a nato air strike on sunday couldn't have common a worse time for selling this war the avatar amongst nato allies is already limited with only eight nations taking part the european public is reeling from debt crises and protesting against austerity as for the u.s. involvement while president obama is taking heat for overruling justice department lawyers and forging his own legal explanation for why he didn't need congressional approval and that's an explanation that many members of congress are by as ten bipartisan members of already filed a lawsuit against the administration and more moves that may come this week to vote

against funding but a new poll from polls opinion research might be even more telling. seventy two percent of those polled said the u.s. is involved in too many foreign conflicts and should pull back its troops only sixteen percent said the current level of engagement represented an appropriate level americans also don't think of the wars are making the country any safer thirty seven percent said that the continued presence of troops in afghanistan makes no impact on national security and forty percent said the same about iraq so what are politicians going to get it the people don't want any more war joining me to discuss this is matthew just national security policy analyst at the center for american progress thanks so much for being here tonight let's start with libya and then of course the news coming out this week and now i guess any military mind will tell you well that's what happens in any kind of military conflict is there's always collateral damage but how damaging do you think that this specific attack would be after all or supposedly supposed to be there to protect civilians there

isn't any terrorism fighting going on the way that you can say in afghanistan or in pakistan well sure when you're driving explosives on resident there are places where people live this is going to happen that's unfortunately a fact of war i think it's notable that this is to my knowledge the first time that the libyan government has actually brought journalists and showed them real evidence they've claimed civilian casualties before but never really given journalists this sort of access to demonstrate something like this i think it's clear that this is in fact what happened a number of civilians were killed in addition to this just unfortunately being one aspect of war there's also the fact that we have very few intelligence assets on the ground in libya right now and when you don't have spotters there on the ground to to make sure that these mistakes don't happen they unfortunately do happen and i think the libyan government has really seized upon this somewhat justifiably to kind of rally libyans around the government they spoke in a very very strong sort of appeal to not only libyans but muslims throughout the region more generally claim to be asking them to rise up against the united states

but it's certainly not helping the effort at all no certainly isn't helping the effort of course part of the problem when you're going somewhere to hell. civilians or if that's the way that you're going to try to sell it and you have no actual numbers for how many civilians have been killed. makes the situation difficult but you know i don't really think that they needed this attack for a rallying cry here because the end of the day let's face it it is a civil war two that's going on there is a lot of support for gadhafi within the country and i'm just wondering how long i think my assumption is that nato leaders are hoping that at some point time is going to go against him and that he just can't hold out for any longer when this time start going against nato when do they have to say may be getting cut off can't be the goal anymore and we have to start tracking down or at least minimizing what successes we have that's a real problem i have a very hard time imagining a point at which nato says well we gave it a good shot but he's not going anywhere so let's just pull out so that the two options right now seem to be a just a continued protracted conflict stalemate or b.

could up the eventually goes. the way that these things tend to go is that yes i mean i think you can say that a stalemate was in some senses one of the possible goals here given that we wanted to prevent what many people thought was going to be a massacre in benghazi. but you know these are two very good options here now you know i think we also have to talk about the fact that the obama administration and we covered this last week and i personally don't buy obama's legal justification for it i think that's plain simple the war is illegal i mean even under the war powers act there was no imminent threat to the united states there was no reason for us to go into libya but he's done this interesting thing where we found out from reports from the new york times that in fact he overruled justice department lawyers and went around and picked out a few legal minds that he knew might side with them is not something that we've seen george bush two when it came to and i say wiretapping when it came to the torture memos i think you can make those kinds of comparisons sure personally i'm very i find the legal rationale that was brought out to argue for not going to

congress for approval very suspect myself or i would be very careful about you know . choosing to invade and occupy iraq choosing what the bush administration did the end to which they put these sorts of legal games i think are very much different from this one example with libya again i mean someone who just somewhat reluctantly comes out just a shade in favor of the intervention i realize there are a lot of problems with it but having had your friends and contacts in libya i'm convinced that there would have been a massive atrocity carried out in mendacity the debate whether this is actually in our interest i think you know it's a tough question but on the specific question of the legal rationale you know i think i have really issues with it with all that it is thinking to me too though is that now we finally see of course some republican g.o.p. candidates that are starting to say they don't agree with it and i think in many ways that's an easy talking point to use against the president right now because like i said the legal rationale just isn't there but at the end of the day i think about it if obama would actually ask for congressional approval i'm sure they would

have said yes but i think that's true but i also think we can't let congress off the hook here if i am saying i don't think we can live off the hook which is why i think this whole is is so important because of course you have to take every poll as a grain of salt but seventy two percent of people think we're in just one too many countries so is libya in that sense what we needed for people to say finally i'm fed up i'm outraged make it stop it's possible but i think it's just the kind of cumulative effect of all of these interventions and you know these wars afghanistan iraq relationships with countries like yemen where we're you know carrying out these drone attacks but we're not really clear what the nature of the and been does i think a lot of americans after you know years of this very difficult economic times they see the millions and billions of dollars we're spending overseas they see the difficulties we're going through over here and they're asking well what are we getting from all of this and we're not getting a whole lot if you ask me but i think do you think about why perhaps. politicians like ron paul sure ron paul wins a lot of polls and you can say that he has a hard core dedicated following he won another straw poll overwhelmingly in new

orleans just this past weekend the g.o.p. conference but do you think there's something more to it that finally people are. you know he's not a fringe candidate because this is at least somebody who i you know whom i agree with when it comes to stopping the war is because we can't afford them anymore but i think there's going back many years there's always been this much more whether you want to call it isolationist or just much more modest a strain of republican conservative foreign policy and you have the neoconservatives who as we know have lots of grand ideas about america intervening all over the world to spread values or democracy or what have you but there is another tradition in the conservative movement that has been somewhat eclipsed by the neo cons but it's really kind of feeling about it was like it's rising go back into the mainstream right i think that's very much true it still doesn't appear to have the sort of policymaking apparatus that the neoconservatives do it doesn't control many think tanks it's not there are not so many pundits who are kind of hip to their ideas but i think that's changing and i think we're going to see that continue to change and we're definitely seeing a. big move when it comes to congress in terms of wanting to get troops out of

afghanistan and wanting an actual troop reduction not just two thousand troops out of one hundred thousand and with course governors from across the united states also sign on to get us out president obama is now reportedly going to be announcing some numbers on wednesday do you have any guesses as to how many troops you think we might actually see you know i would. say i think it'll be larger than a lot of people think i don't know if i would put it around ten thousand or more but i think with the with the killing of osama bin laden i think there's a real argument and i think this is reflected in that poll that you mentioned people have said well this was the guy this was our real kind of in our enemy who led the attacks on nine eleven and we got him so what are we still doing mucking around in afghanistan people i think definitely are realizing that there is the connection is no longer there now that it's gone. then what's the point and of course the pentagon as we found out last week is asking for those troops to stay or

at least the surge the same fall of two thousand and twelve but hopefully we'll get some better news on wednesday matt thanks so much for joining us sir. well still to come tonight we'll talk about. on this show tonight a different take on these out of control race and where we have a war on terror we've got to warn whistleblowers and now could we see a war. dive into that topic on. the admission and free credit patients free in-store charges free arrangement three. free studio types free. download free blog plug in video for your media project a free media r.t. dot com. hungry for the full story we've got it for. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers. police

brutality it's an issue that we chose to focus on regularly on this show and why why because it's something in the mainstream media too often overlooks reason magazine is also adamant about revealing these overly aggressive rates though and on their network recent t.v. they have a video from toronto based musician lindy and it carries a very strong message check out. no no. in front of. you know you. read the. list. now that was just a snippet from lindy we definitely recommend that you visit reason t.v.'s website to view the song in its entirety and why again because the message is strong it's slightly disturbing and it's a reminder to americans how many of these incidents are overlooked having to post

radley balko formerly of reason has reported that as many as forty thousand of these raids happen every hear or someone's hurt or killed inside their own home let's give kudos to a blogger who is now dedicated his page to another all too common a victim of these no knock raids the docks red carpets pages called dogs that cops killed and give the full story and reason for the canine debts and here is just one example of a raid that led to families dog dead immediately after a swat team busted down their door. to. make a. point. of that disturbing videos from two thousand and ten where a swat team in missouri raided the home and shot the pet while there were children inside the house but those are just a few samples out of many more incidents while the mainstream media continues to

overlook the trend the law to show won't something has to be done to stop swat teams from invading homes and. such an aggressive manner we're going to keep bringing you those stories until they stop. now looks like a low security and anonymous have just declared war on governments and big banks so yesterday released a statement to announce of the two groups have joined forces and are launching what they call operation and security and if they wrote together we can defend ourselves so that our privacy is not overrun by profiteering gluttons and if you're aware of the corruption expose it now in the name of anti security now according to the statement the top priority is to steal and leak any classified government information including emails schools and documentation and the prime targets are banks and other high ranking establishments now so far lol so it has done a pretty convincing job of exposing the government and security firms very poor security on their websites but now the last like an anonymous have stepped it up a notch might the government do the same in return the obama administration's

already pressing congress to create harsher penalties for breaking into government computers and putting national security at stake but can law enforcement really keep up with unknown hackers joining me to discuss this is joshua grounds for security fellow at the center for democracy and technology josh thanks so much for being here tonight thanks for having me now of course hackers didn't just appear this year they've been around for a long time but i feel like it's being done in a very public manner now thanks to groups like anonymous and security do you think that we're seeing you know something something different begin to emerge a larger movement i think what we're seeing is actually a number of different kinds of hacking event all appear at once so for example we had the sony and epsilon data breach events that were basically criminal activity and then we saw the national security threat that was posed by the breaking into google accounts of how little government officials like an anonymous are in some sense almost a slightly lower level threat than those kinds of threats but again we're seeing

them all at once and that as a group there's a makes the. threats seem more dangerous we i mean last like anonymous you could say obviously they said they were just doing it for the long not of this was a little more politically active but now the two are joining forces i guess you could say that d.d. o. s. attacks aren't really a grave danger to national security by any means but now they've actually gone after cia doubt they've actually touched upon senate are we going to see a massive reaction from the government now they feel like they're being personally attacked i think that is in some sense the biggest potential fallout from this kind of thing when you see people that design not terribly dangerous attacks in a way that makes them look to be garnering then all of a sudden policymakers see that may see a very visible threat that may not be as much of an actual threat as as you know a network security engineer might have it but that can garner

a very strong response as a reality we've already seen you know at least reportedly that's what the the officials or law enforcement claims that they've arrested members of anonymous in spain or when they arrested people here in the u.s. but do you really think about something that they should be devoting their scarce resources to or are there much more you know serious hackers and black cabs and people who have to be worried about i think there are much more serious events that they do need to be worried about and fact we've seen examples of that if i said earlier in the last month last two months we've seen very serious break ins to the internal networks of corporations that deal with united states national security secrets we've seen problems that are potentially lead to the identity theft of many millions of americans and these kinds of wall sec and anonymous activities don't really measure up to those but do you think it's just the typical embarrassment problem with the government right i mean we see it let's say we see the government

waging a war against whistleblowers right now and obviously we can leaks although to this day. there have been no confirmations from any politicians from any military officials that any lives were actually put into jeopardy or anybody was actually killed because of any of the wiki leaks disclosures but you could always say that because it's just something that embarrassed to the government like so many of those diplomatic cables do and they will fight tooth and nail to do whatever they can to go after them i think that also especially has done a pretty good job of exposing the fact that the government itself is vulnerable that some of these security firms that the government relies on to fake its web sites are also incredibly vulnerable so i'm just wondering if we're going to see this incredible tenacity because it's just caused embarrassment for them i think we will see some of that and actually i think that might lead to one of the biggest problems that we see in the subsidy arena day which is the government inserting itself into the private sector internet and that's because you know the government says that's not secure enough we see all these security problems at the same time where we're seeing things like these hacks in the government of government security

sites therefore the question sort of becomes is the government really the right group of people to be securing the private sector internet what do you make of this this project that they announced last week this pilot program in fact that the n.s.a. is doing where they're partnering with private companies because they're trying to secure these contractors i kind of had a feeling that they were doing that. now even here is that stupid to just assume that they're already working with private companies you know doing whatever they can to spy on people over time i think that what they were doing before was working with the private company front of a one off basis like a. private company i see something that concerns me i call in the n.s.a. the n.s.a. works with me this is a more systematic pilot program and actually from our perspective that's a pilot program that's being done very well it's a pilot program that takes into account the privacy needs of users by sharing signatures from the n.s.a. so security of signatures of malware and other bad things entering into project networks sharing them out from the n.s.a.

to those private sector networks but not sharing any information back to the n.s.a. from what gets caught from those. and therefore comparatively speaking that seems to be a fairly benign security pilot program ok now i want to ask you what you think of the fact that the obama administration right now is pushing congress trying to get them to to legislate to move up the maximum penalty right currently if you break into a government computer and they're off the excuse of they always use national security is at stake there is a ten year maximum prison sentence now they actually want to make it a twenty here maximum prison sentence and they want to add mandatory minimum so that you have to get at least three years for breaking into a computer we think that that is a little dubious mostly because the statute that they're thinking of amending computer fraud and abuse act is actually a statute that's been used in some very broad and troubling way. as they always are it's been used to to prosecute people who violated terms of service on

a website or people who have violated their contractual acceptable use policy is it an employee use of a company was there any way they can actually use that against security or anonymous with anything if they have done or maybe what they are planning on doing with this operation anti security since they're saying that governments are one of their targets i think i think a number of the activities that anonymous and low sec have participated in and contemplate to the future would fall under the bit of that statute and so now the statute penalties are doubled i think it's very important to clarify what exactly is covered by that statute before we go about extending the penalties ok now lastly i think that you know in general right now there is this mood around the world thanks to the financial crisis thanks to the fact that it was a lot of banks that brought down the entire economy there is this anti financial institution anti-government mood so i'm just wondering if anonymous and also can actually play their cards right if they don't start going after minor figures and they do get some big leaks out there i mean do you think that it could be a bit of

a game changing event i think that it could be the cause. thing that would awaken people to the democratic potential the internet and we've already seen a number of events like bat in egypt and in iran and syria as we've sort of seen the democratization of the internet that said i think that the real power of the internet is in that kind of democratic protest the organization of people more than it's in the kind of. social protest that you see with all second anonymous thank you very much for joining us about ben's i guess on what the information is that they get out there and what the leaks are right that inspires people thank you so much. still to come tonight you said it i read it all respond to some of the comments that you left on line about the shelf and if you know that it cost the state of california or billion dollars to execute thirteen prisoners tonight we're to look into the insane costs of capital punishment system.

here and this is our main story this hour of people have died in a passenger plane crash in northwest wash up from which eight others on board have survived the storm. of the fifty two people on board the plane forty four have been confirmed dead and eight have been taken to hospital of those eight some of them are suffering from burns one of them was a child has been taken to a children's hospital there were more children reported the on the plane that we've received six patients with burns and physical trauma men women and a sixteen year old girl four of them are in a critical condition we're doing what we can huge too early to make any prognosis the russian emergencies ministry is and starting an investigation

a full investigation into the crash they'll look at their flight recorders on the site of the crash trying to determine what caused this crash the plane itself was on its way from moscow to purchase the vaults presidium karelia in the northwest of russia it was about two kilometers from the runway of that airport when getting into difficulties and eye witnesses say that they saw the plane lose altitude very quickly and hit a road about two kilometers before the runway is a project to try to should we just came there was a trial ready and woman was crying and running around something was exploding all the time whether this was a crash landing attempt by the pilot or whether the plane simply lost altitude and hit that road isn't clear but it was a hard enough impact to make the plane break apart and burst into flames which caused the majority of these casualties move three people out of iraq each one

was either a girl or a woman i could not sell but she was larger than the man he was hard to see was dark and then there was a man he also was and how he who was larger than me and then we carried out two more people from the wreckage in the middle of the road another man reached out his hand told me but i couldn't make it to him everything started exploding i could not get any closer everything was engulfed by fire so very. plane itself was a tupolev one three four an old way designed and built back in the one nine hundred sixty s. but still widely used for internal flights around russia at the moment the russian emergencies ministry is keeping its mind open as to what may have caused this crash there may been a part played by adverse weather conditions at the site of the crash as far as their company goes we contacted the company and at the moment they declined to comment on the possible cause.