helicopter carriers will sail to russia to become part of its navy in a couple of years it's the first time after the second world war moscow is buying foreign weapons but what's more it's buying made to mildred acknowledges this has been strongly opposed by the french military like the diplomats everyone. thank you for being with us on the show good morning thank you thank you well first question is about is about the past actually when sarkozy was elected in two thousand and seven he was considered to be in atlanta just like a pro us politicians and their way expectations that the relations of france with russia may have probably be facing problems but these predictions were wrong the relations are pretty good today and so i knew a new set of expectations is being is being born today because we're facing

elections a new election cycle both in france and russia so do you expect any changes that may. influence the current positive trend in the relations between russia and from zero i don't expect any change whatever this result yeah i don't expect you to write to to remind sarkozy was seen as a natural. two thousand and seven and that was a turning point you know and it's fairly soon we're going to be in russia i think it is mainly related to the war in georgia in two thousand and eight and also very good personal relations with the medvedev but. to put things in the you know in the broader picture i think there is a tradition of quite good relations between paris and most schools and to some extent you know psychosis pretty serious russia can be compared to chirac's pretty serious russian as well. and that's why my my my i'm

a conclusion would be to say that i don't expect any change in this tradition whatever the next french president is. your own optimists great to be well most close relations with an eight have. have been ups and downs the but in the last couple of years they have been improving too and we see that and there will witnessing like a sort of a new phase new level of cooperation between russia and nato however there is one thing between russia and nato russia and all the nato countries which is still growing misunderstanding concerning this nuclear umbrella nuclear shields is this american analysis of nato nato program program of installing the anti a missile defense. russia wants proof show us why

we shouldn't be afraid nature says we'll just take it for granted but do you think that nato the west has to to to show so to give some proof to russia. russia will not be not be worried anymore losing russia was collecting political class players for first of all i think it's very important to remind all bad was the relationship between russia in nato in the summer of two thousand and eight with the war in georgia and i think that's really the turning point and says since about time we had some positive evolution as certainly a change of stance in russian leadership probably due to the crisis and the impact of the crisis and also the research approach promoted by president obama and since that time in italy we can observe an improvement between nato and nato and russia having said that it's i share your views about you know. defense problem which is

at the same time very complicated in military terms but it is a real strategy problems and i think that it's it should be seen as a part of a much more global strategy and for both russia and nato so the question is do we consider the main difference between us or do we consider that the main frets outside us this is one way to say i was a little this is this is against an outside threat but it but it doesn't seem the west has arguments to to convince must still like being harsh i know i know pretty well that there is a strong debate within the russian elites and between your political leadership and your military leadership of this very. difficult and sensitive issue having said that i think it's very important also to understand that nato carraige russia to join. and i think it's a long process because it's very complicated and definitely it would be

a big change in the positioning of russia on the international scene if russia i decided to join nato on. how to use a system do you think the contacts between military between generals between between politicians in charge of military affairs are a good thing in establishing trust in in stopping to look at each other as potential enemies definitely it's important you know and but i think it's not something very new like we are or we have this tradition of changes definitely i would say once again it's a parts of the picture it's very important for both militaries to interact on a consistent basis but at the same time i think it should be seen in something broader we've political contacts we've called to all contacts and solved definitely is the idea for the west and especially for for for for europe is to say that.

russia should be engaged we know that it's a very important partner it's not all the time an easy partner no doubt about that but definitely very decided that russia should be engaged. after the recent visit of the russian defense minister to france it became obvious that for us is becoming the number one russian partner in military cooperation in europe among native countries at least was it a difficult decision for the french to start selling. military equipment worth billions to to russia i don't think it was a difficult decision it's only business just i mean. i think it is for you sell an aircraft carrier to the russians you must sell their day. to your own people was it ari yeah i think it's more complicated because they are also part of the debate

we've been a russian establishment as you know. possible to chase i think it's i don't know if it's number one i would say that clearly if you observe the relation between russia and europe in the number one is a germany now we know that germany is less exposed to refers than friends of the u.k. given also the difficult relations sometimes between london and moscow certainly there is a space for for for for for most who else again we have a good tradition of relations between both countries but regarding you know if. you see there was some concerns expressed by nato of a statement versus specially by the states or so by a country such as a jump on other same time i think it should be seen first of all you know deal because over european countries can make any sort of selves so it's commercial or

commercial approaches because it but also obviously it is presented as a way to transform the relation between nato and russia you mentioned the baltic states you mentioned japan which is the nato webber let's talk a bit about the the position of other nato countries except the baltic maybe the old they were countries and also the united states what was they and what is their approach to this increasing military contribution. well of course you know happy that other buying it. i think it maybe they're not happy but i think to be honest that's not at all the top priority for the u.s. and russian right now i think that if you see the u.s. strategy right now you know number one is certainly afghanistan iran the raising of china and to some extent sorry to to to put it bluntly but russia is not a top priority at all for washington where. now so i being said that i'm not so sure that you appeaser top priority as well so

a problem for russia and for europe is a reason to be marginalized on the international scene and from this point of view everything that can make a push more you know between europe russia and to some extent europe russia and the us it can be seen as a positive step oh well i have heard a line a commentry of our opinions here in moscow that that russia actually does need these mistrials they it's a political deal rather than purely economic as you call it how much of strategic interests aside of purely economic interest does france have in this deal . if it's not interesting for military terms for the russian navy that's interesting because that means that the russian navy sufficiently rich to to to buy something without any any use so i think there is an interest to be honest but we will see for friends what's very important in the industry or terms not up about

that and because it's a way to to give job through to some walkers soul but that's one reason this is going to reason is this idea that the evolution of the transformation of nato is very important and that russia should not be seen as a revolver but should be seen as a partner again a difficult partner but it is seen as paris as a country with. which it's possible to make some strategy convergence on different issues not on all of these issues but on the different nations says telmarc governor head of the russia and i has centered on the french institute of international relations but life will be that shortly after a break will continue dissenting felt don't go stay where you are.

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of the infection straight out of the software to make treaties the most free and the building blocks from russia's first nationwide four g. network tomes going top going to acknowledge your picks. the future covered. welcome back to spotlight an amalgam of in just a reminder of my guest on the show today is tamago man head of the russia and i asked center at the french institute of international relations so much we've been talking about about this this deal of selling to how the comp to carriers to to to move the tree level vessels to russia well when i said that the russians are not really interested they don't really need mr el ships actually when people say we

don't need the ships this is not right we maybe we don't need the ships themselves but the russians badly need the technology which comes with the ships and this is supposedly what the russian navy is after so all the french your opinion ready to shed a technology related with the materials as you probably know that's a part of the negotiation and fortunately i'm not one of our expelled gods it's very difficult for me to to explain to users of the itself politically definitely varies a debate about should we transfer technologies you know towards over was russia and you have a debate to be to be honest in france and not only in france in nato countries but on the deal itself unfortunately i have no insights on this particular part ok so. let's switch the subject now a little and then talk about one of the one of the favorite stories of the french press and in the recent couple of week which of the strikes kind of and

a wonderful a wonderful rumor around this trance kind of further well of course people say that it was initiated by a bomb or so other people say it was initiated by sarah because even. because because of poor company but some people in france said that it was all done on an order of latin reputed if you know that. who it is that come from i mean this is bizarre is it's coming from a french p i'm not strong. it was seen as a put in the sort of russian plots my explanation is very very simple you know all the stuff is absolutely amazing and the media coverage of it in france is much more than surprising for i would say real professional journalists. there is something completely irrational. in france and so very is also

a tendency to see plot everywhere to explain what happened so one day it's a russian plods over there it's an american blogs the other day it's something organized by it to be honest open bets. is so complicated and definitely impact dramatically russia on the mystic story russian french politics that it's it's not very important to comment on the sort of decoration from my point of view ok. france today is advocating the military campaign against gadhafi in libya advocating the un resolutions against bashar is as a regime in syria well that is a political fact russia russian diplomacy is much more cautious dealing with these issues do you think that this is because of some disagreements that exist between moscow and paris and could they have

a negative impact on relations these specific burning issues which are priorities for for nato the future i think it's important to remind that. obviously the fights you know in libya it's very scary but it is. we've been a toll and especially with a strong cooperation between paris and london at the beginning of the process and obviously the u.s. support was military very important to make the operation and to respect the result . which was there was a potential of russia for resolution now there are some criticize coming from russia against you know the way of operating and the fact that. we have monday to given by the resolution was not so so so so large so definitely it is. a sensitive issue between paris and most coup i think there is a debate you know in the russian leadership as well because we saw that president

medvedev in their view was close to its. wisdom the court the parts in the framework of the g. eight and it was same time we listen very carefully to criticize expressed by one minister put in so very certainly different approaches also in russia about what is going on in libya now the other question is about syria and obviously for four it's a very important country for the stability of the region and also in the russian diplomacy because well quite intensive links between. us and most schools and also very serious question that should we stay and do nothing given you know the evolution of the syrian regime and all of what is made you know against the syrian population to be honest i have no no real answer to a very difficult question ok another question since the end of the

ninety's i think especially on the eve of the of the iraq war there was much talk and much rumors about creation of a possible political strategic triangle france germany and russia is still alive are these are these ideas still lead to make any sense today. that's a good question i think there is a continuation because you are right to say that vis triangle was in fact against the war in iraq we have putin shoulder and shark about simon and there is a continuation i think in the framework of the relation between the you and russia decided that paris berlin and the school should converge on different topics having said that are so or so an evolution of germany to be honest we have now a very very strong relationship between berlin and most school and obviously we are

also obvious abstention of berlin you know for the intervention in libya so to some extent i think doubts maybe it can be a way to some of things but we can see quite good relation between paris and berlin regarding you but also very good relation between paris and london regarding nato issues and to some extent i think that's a many evolution by comparison with the triangle you mention in two thousand and three. russia is one of the largest markets for a european vegetables i'm talking about of course about the cucumber of well these eco carli but syria nobody knows yet where it comes from first it was cucumber it was area now people say that russia has closed its borders for europe it is the most and this causing controversy of course in europe among farmers and stuff do you see such measures such radical moves you know actual moves by russia for

example as as. thought of and willingness. to tackle bilateral issues in a more positive way so so there are problems in relations if we if we look at practical steps out. yes but you know i walk a lot on this issue of u.s. show relations and it strikes me to see that regularly we have the sort of problems we mined for instance two thousand and six and the troubles between powell and then russia for for importing feelings i think it's something which should be avoided no doubts it should be avoided because as you know the u.n. russia are supposed to settle new agreements between the between them to. trade relations for me it's. you know it's was and you know to this issue and i

don't i don't think it was the most smart one to do to be honest but had the same time it's i would say business as usual ok business actually this is not business is business unusual and we would talk about it in iraq so you're right but my point is to say don't i think we should not or very steam ate the important of this you know tell decision i do that's a relation will become a small as usual business as usual is selling russian gas to europe only. as usual in russia as you know is dreaming of getting the greater access to european markets european consumers actually we want the russians want an equal status to the book project and the end the south stream project do you think the russians will ever get that equal status. it's i

don't want to to make some prediction on that spits definitely. in europe will increase and especially after you know the change of position of germany on the nuclear feelings are very recent decision and definitely very idea. russia is another to our supply for for for for gas and to some extent of this relationship does exist and in may view will be extended in the coming decades i have absolutely no doc about that now about the difference of project as you know the project we've got is coming from should we take some gas in turkmenistan for transco spend should we take some guys in iran and so on so stream projects well they are you know very often presented as completed those projects the basic fact is that for both wash. and both sorry for both russia and the definitely there is

a need to foster energy cooperation in the next decade so i'm pretty optimistic about the ability to find a proper way to to shoot to sure european market in the coming years rostering the cooperation russian companies they still feel barriers they talk with people come here at the table speak about barriers that they face have to overcome in europe doing business do you think that do you think that europe is ready is ready for concessions on this issue i don't think so yeah but i think it's not a negotiation itself also again it should be put in a broader picture and it is related to the negotiation of vision it is related to the negotiation of commercial conditions ok energy is a very important parts but the gelug between russia and the you should not be resumed to energy relations it's something much more broadly and as you know very little church and we've been z.

you about the so-called unburdening. idea that a company wants to invest should respect this legislation so hans again i think it's difficult but i'm pretty optimistic about the ability of both sides to cooperate in the future thank you thank you very much and just to remind them that my guest on the show today was tom are going to have the russia and iran has center had french institute of international relations and that's it for now from all of us if you want to have your say on spotlight or if you have someone in mind you think i'm interested in stan drop me a line i'll bring out an ati t.v. dot are you let's keep spotlight interact we'll be back with more comment from what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on r.t. and take. us to.

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on air and online you're watching our table straight to our top story now a plane crash that killed forty four people in northwestern russia may have been caused by a power outage on the ground eight passengers survived the incident and are being treated in hospital officials say the plane itself may have clipped power lines triggering a runway blackout the aircraft on route from moscow crash landed on a highway just one kilometer from its destination airport. peter all of a joins us now live with. a truly shocking event what do we know so far about the details surrounding the tragedy. hearing it from the. airport in part because of all its good northwest russia where this plane it had intended on landing as that

as the plane was coming down it hit power lines that caused a short term blackout before that before emergency power was able to light up the runway again now this would have only been a very very short blackout so well known how much that would have affected the situation for the last couple of t. you want three four aircraft we're also seeing though the the weight of the crash landed on a highway around a kilometer away from the runway suggests that they really were trying to land on not a highway they had may look to try and make it to the airport on patrols aborts and have been forced to put down basically where they could now whether this is due to the fact that there was no lights on the runway at the time it was have to wait to find out now the black box recorders being recovered from the wreckage of the crash investigators are looking at to try to determine what brought down this flight now they are looking of course the what i said the blackout safety.