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a show with carrie johnson former new mexico governor and current g.o.p. presidential candidate governor before we were interrupted by the need for a break so we were speaking about tax cuts we were talking about corporations do you think you know how to merican feel when they learn that some of the largest corporations in this country when they learn that exxon mobil the g.e. when they learn the bank of america but they're not really paying their fair share of the time that's what we're so upset about is the whole notion that the government doesn't create a level playing field as governor of new mexico those vetoes i vetoed a whole bunch of legislation that in my opinion. gave advantage to. well connected individuals groups corporations as opposed to legislation that would have created a level playing field where everybody could have had access to the american dream and i think the american dream is in this country is that you can go from having nothing to having everything if you're willing to work hard and innovate but the deck gets stacked against all of us government passes legislation that unfairly

gives corporations groups individuals unfair advantage it's the obvious you want to get rid of all the loopholes you want to get rid of the loopholes and get rid of the loopholes get rid of the subsidies a little need to strongarm congress same to doing that they you've seen them fight tooth and nail right now at real stephanie elam if that if that doesn't if that doesn't happen i would suggest that gridlock is better than what we have now and i think what we have now is gridlock which is not much better than open ended spending which existed here just a few short years ago so that's gone away so that's positive i'm laboring under the belief that only republicans are capable of fixing all this i think that they have to fix this republicans are going to have to have control of the senate and retain control of congress and have the presidency and really address these issues now why would americans do that yeah we did you surely can thank the exactly where you

because a few short years ago republicans had control of all this and they passed a person corruption health care benefit which at that time was the largest in title in program ever passed in this country and republicans ran up record deficits republicans blew it here a few short years ago we left here exactly why well that's what i want to al i am under the belief that only republicans can fix this i'm under the belief that republicans have given another shot will actually do the right thing as opposed to what happened here just a few short years i think only believe that when republicans actually start cutting from the. and spending as well when it's not only coming from things that are ideology ideological cuts that they want to make when it comes to n.p.r. when it comes to planned parenthood i don't know you know you can offer me a little interest in selling her and the poor yeah and then back to back to this fairness it really needs to be across the board in the in the in the notion of fairness planned parenthood needs to see

a forty three percent reduction in the notion of fairness would you prosecute wall street. well i don't think first of all would you tell your justice department to at least take a good look at all these people are getting away scot free and say that dodd frank also is not putting any real straight barriers on them well here's here's the here's the here's the rub for me when it comes to wall street is that we've bailed out wall street we should have allowed them to fail and we did it so well you know how well so so now are we supposed to prosecute individuals that they're prosecution would have been failure that would have been their prosecution that would have been just a sound i had made now they're making record profits now they are making record totals that actually hold until you know we need americans want to see some kind of justice they want they want some rupture below the justice went by the wayside when we decided to bail them out in the first place the so you just got to you wouldn't you would have your justice department prosecute them well of course you would have them prosecuted prosecuted on the basis of of fraud of having broken the law but

what they broke was they made horrible decisions that instead of instead of existing in a free market system where they would have been rewarded for those bad decisions made of the last all their money they were made whole by you and i and that's the rub the government pick winners the government picked losers we seem to be on the losing end of this we picked up the tab for all this i'm all raged about it so now i'm curious you said the american dream of course is that anybody in this country can be what they want to be heard and i know that that's always been the american remake of the. american dream still exists and many ways no no because house was part of that american dream and now millions of americans have lost their homes out there underwater should everybody own a home well of course not and arguably the mortgage collapse was caused by the government making loans so available that the private sector picked up on that fact

and they made them even more affordable money money back to move into our house i mean i think i saw that advertised somewhere along the line so this was a bubble that was created by the private sector. aided by the government easy money and all of that should have been allowed to fail we never had the fire sale on the free market i think this country was based on free market if we were if we'd have seen a fire sale when it came to when it came to home mortgages i think we'd have has first of all we would have a stablished a market price on the downside and it would have happened immediately i think the downside would have been steeper and perhaps deeper but that the recovery that we would be engaged in today would be real and it would be sustainable but we never had the fire sale we bailed everybody out we have yet to have the fire sale so we have this mole lays in the in the mortgage industry that's might play itself out

for ten more years but i don't think we last ten more years because i think the financial collapse is closer than that than that if you think americans are ready for that i mean americans have already obviously been suffering. when you say when you say ready for the americans ready for another fire sale for things to get where is the history in a fire sale before they get better right what would you do you put on the debt if we do make drastic cuts if we can't we're not going to be we're not going to take care we're not going to be there no we're not going to cut social security so security is not about cutting social security it's about making a system that is that is neat well it's a system that needs to. take in more money than what it pays out so without raising taxes when it comes to social security for raise the retirement age you could have a means testing you could change the escalator built into social security from from a from the wage and to the inflation index that in itself would make security solvent in the future i think that what we need to understand here in this kind of

a bitter pill and it's and it's not such a the message is this let's unplug the computer let's reboot it and let's let's set this country country up for hundreds of years of future prosperity but if we don't fix this right now we're going to all be left with nothing we've never had that fire sale the criticism has been that we are in a free market and that we should have regulated this i would argue that no we've had a highly regulated system that picks winners and losers and the free market has not been allowed to function well and this is them has not been regulated in itself but what you have is a government that picks winners and losers when it comes to who they want to help out of the end of the day behind the scenes this is all happening behind the scenes that's not part of the overall regulations that we see i want to switch back to i ask you if you would prosecute wall street would you go back would you prosecute the bush administration or the on time of day for torturing people you know i think i think we need to let the past go just let it go but are we then letting them be

above the law no i think clearly i think obama has looked into this. hearing opinions on this i would just as soon i would just as soon look forward with regard to all this would have been president obama's statement here that's been his entire. so i reacted to her words that i would say the obama administration in fact meddled when it came to spain trying to launch an investigation into the bush six lawyers into president bush himself and we know that they actually had them stop that actions i disagree. with what happened when it went completely when it comes to interior geisha and when it comes to torture when it comes to analysts detainment without being charged that's wrong that's not what this country is about it happened and. but it's still happening guantanamo bay is still open president obama has signed. an

executive order to have a formal policy for indefinite detention so let's say that you make it to the white house what do you do with with one hundred so people that are still locked up in guantanamo bay congress this time here arms they say you can't transfer them to u.s. soil guantanamo bay what we need to close when it comes to guantanamo bay is the torture would be occurring that endless detainment would be occurring without being charged that's what needs to be stopped when it comes to guantanamo bay maybe we keep going tom obey open from the standpoint of actually imprisoning of those that are convicted if you will what is wrong with the prisons that we have here on american soil well we have well so the prisons of america i'm just i'm just pointing out what i think are realities to the notion of having a military tribunal actually do the. conduct the hearings have not been tested then you know how well these are civilian courts which are they've been

very well to some because we used them for all you're a terry have been much higher when it comes to our federal courts here on american soil many legal experts will tell you that the military commissions are not the way to go well the military commissions are all right for our own military so these are not u.s. citizens they're not u.s. citizens so to have a military tribunal oversee oversee a trial not endless detainment not detain without being charged but a military tribunal that may be very fair that may be very functional as opposed to being tried in a. american court system that we would be trying non u.s. citizens so in that context that may be an o. k. kind of a thing but but to keep guantanamo open with the notion that we're torturing people or endlessly detaining those people that's what needs to stop. we're running low on time now we're almost done i just want to ask you although i have

a million more questions of my own i want to know if there's anything that you have never been asked that you because been dying to tell people that you've been dying barrel there is there are a lot for a lot of question that you wasted some point somebody would have asked you. if you just go to c.n.n. had you guided to allow you into the debate with all the other g.o.p. candidates all the other seven of them by the way why did they let you when there is no there is no explanation there's no explanation that. i would argue that i met their criteria i wasn't led in there was there was a couple of interesting polls that have come out just recently one is that of all the presidential candidates i'm the only presidential candidate that has a favorable rating in their own state i'm the only one and then just a couple of days ago they came out with the fact that of all of everyone running for. u.s. president that my job record is the best of all those candidates now i have never

said as governor of new mexico that i created one single job because i don't think government creates one single job what government can do though is create this notion of level playing field what this government can do is create certainty. that here is government policy it's not going to get worse might not be getting better but it's not going to get worse and i got to run the agencies and state governments so actually they did get better they get to the environment got a lot better well that's what i did and it actually showed up statistically so alone i've been out talking about the fact that you know what in a state that's two one democrat i think i'm very favorably looked at i was a penny pincher so i think people appreciated good stewardship of tax dollars a poll comes up and says just that i thought i did pretty good pretty good job when it came to the economy and that was back to this notion of a level playing field and this recent this recent paper bore that out also i'm

going to have to wrap it up unfortunately but you know i think there are a lot of people right now there are a little unsure i think they're sake of the two party system and although you yourself are a libertarian you're still running on the republican ticket i think that a very interesting candidate at least starts making people ask a few questions and realize that it's not so black and white but i know if you are a life of president i guess i would be one job with the government creates thank you so much for joining the euro but later having me on. we're going to take a break still to come later we have show in town and our thursday vision of how. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here's some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry because if.

you go through. and yet. fuck fuck fuck. fuck. let's not forget that we live in apartheid.

i think either one is well. we never got the shares there are safe kids graduate because their freedom. ok it's time for show and tell on tonight's program last time we told you about a c.n.n. poll that shows more respondents have libertarian viewpoints than ever before so is a libertarian isn't going mainstream producer patrice in a sense you to find out what you have to say. so imagine you're at this really cool

party and there are people from all over the country who are not only jazz the country is a feast in fact people are even bragging how low their taxes are a few people now they may be carrying guns or smoking weed but it's ok at this party it's a laugh so it sounds like a great time right so whose party is it anyway right you know the libertarian party but is america really ready for libertarianism to go mainstream this is what you have to sell allan told us libertarians are whacked their whole idea of live and let live it doesn't take into account that there are other people in this world alex in d.c. believes libertarianism is going mainstream expression in educated voters madman x. he agrees libertarianism is becoming more popular in america but dave he gets a right to the heart of libertarianism going mainstream he said maybe not by name possibly by ideology

a lot of people they may not want to be labeled libertarian but many americans are getting sick of the two party system politics isn't just black and way the bottom line is there are large numbers of americans from all walks of life who agree with some libertarian views but for right now they don't have a lot of consumers facet we climb even gary johnson and ron paul they're running on the republican ticket. in year six this party is going to need a bigger room. are all thanks for giving us your input and now let's move on to the next question last night jon stewart gave a very interesting comparison between the us debt crisis. and agree that crisis take a look at the rioters are upset about proposed austerity measures that would end greek citizen benefits such as six paid vacation weeks a year and retirement with eighty percent pay and benefits at age fifty three you hear responsible children. that is like.

forty four of thousand dollars of debt per person oh don't give me that were you know to be true yes yes we do have a fourteen trillion dollars debt but we have three hundred seven million people so ours works out to as it with a zero forty five thousand purpose. thing is all greece maybe in death anx to lower retirement ages and nice benefits think about what we spend our money on aircraft carriers tomahawk missiles ten year long wars after crunching all the numbers we want to know what you think who's gotten more for their money grease or the us you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and who knows the response just might make it on air.

ok it's time for happy hour this evening and joining me tonight producer jenny churchill and jim hansen retired special operations master sergeant and military blogger of black five dot net thanks for joining me guys. we talk about the t.s.a. a lot i think in fact of the three of us have probably spoken a lot about the t.s.a. and all of the touch my junk and all the you know outcry about it so just to get us back in the mood for a second let's remember why we don't like the t.s.a. let's take a look. also the words of using the phrase in the news the you know your words we do a little bit slower than we do here is the case we're just going to receive. from the touch my junk everyone started repeating that lou thing is about the t.s.a. turns out they're not as doing these things in airports anymore they're now doing them with ferries they're doing and bus stations on subways and actually when

testifying i think before congress the other day or at least on. hill they said that they do eight thousand unannounced security screenings every year so are you ready to just start having t.s.a. everywhere you go. oh the part i found most interesting is that they've been working with ice so you know you might have you're going to get your papers inspected while you're being funneled and i have to say i'm really on board with this because i only want white terrorists who are citizens who were able to get past the t.s.a. to blow me up only once i want or why should people who go amtrak avoid getting their job let me go to one is just because the terrorists at one point were obsessed with airplanes you don't seem to think that's great that's hardly the best vector for a terrorist attack but obviously we've talked about this so many times where if you think about the time you get on a subway or any time you get in a train there's almost no security there but do you really think that we need to slow down that whole process to you all for t.s.a. i. really want horrors you know the government agency that's the. only here because

you're going to stand in line and you know take a little extra time to be safe now and i think we can all agree that maybe the t.s.a. aren't the best people to be doing this but that like the agency that was created specifically to deal with this who else would you want doing it maybe a private company i don't know i i'm not really into the t.s.a. but i do think that we need safety and i don't think that just because it's a train that's on tracks that it's any different from a plane in the air i was about ready to the bottom line is it's a waste of time security theater so why shouldn't we do it or. you know if you know we'll use tax dollars that spread it around and. here you. see it was upset because he thinks the people who ride on amtrak are smug it. was. extra amount of cash so yesterday we did this story about the pilot who was mike was. the jerk let's just remind you of how great this guy is that. you

were. is that they watch what you say and. it will go right back in it with the we. could all think. the third part. about why does doesn't get old for me i can't stop listening to that's ok obviously the guy is a jerk but now it turns out the flight attendants union is actually trying to sue him for for discrimination which i think are for a little ridiculous they are actually idiots because this sound clip what is a proof of that granny thing ground ace are all employed by southwest which we don't evaluate are they buying is how are the only ones you're an ass that fatty. i was how are they being discriminated against by this one person to forget is why

not i haven't sat with alan and also he is very diversity for southwest and i think obviously all pilots deserve hot chicks and i'm wondering what it would have to be good all of these were all stupid i thought you know what actually it is that their unions flight attendant unions exist and that's why he got to like randy's gray is really really really hood like it's service heritage if it fails sell it was it and it was a sad thing it may be this man's description for oops that there is no discrimination . tamala gnc really put i left him because life story which the have you had with religious writings for the series this reminds you that there are sick people in the world and their problem is guys one of them. called this guy accuse of being a genuine downright sicko cops say he had a thing for dogs maybe other animals too denise are covering the extreme out of all

of us accusations unfolding now in richland county. at least yeah the dog warden said this is absolutely one of the worst cases that you've seen that in nine years you seen nothing like if this guy was actually posting pictures and stories about his deep love for animals. this is just so sick so the guy apparently had pictures all over his apartment of the love making that he was doing great but the poor little dogs there is maybe a horse involved as well and the thing is in ohio they don't have a law against the theology so i don't know what's worse the fact that we actually need laws like this or the fact we haven't caught on that they're sick people of the world and so they made one of the really frightening thing and so they've taken the dog away and they're going to try him with animal cruelty but they might not win the case because it's technically not illegal to have sex with your cats in ohio i have to say is if they give that dog back to that man i'm going to eco

terrorist style busting down his door and for a mad dog i think easter i promise you i think this man is actually a target because i have friends who have definitely confirmed something that has been said among all the and they say for children a woman for pleasure a boy for ecstasy a good this guy just worked his way around the guards really got there and i pulled the. thing i called homeland security jim what you're saying is that all people who practice lady are terrorists because according to you some terrorist practice there's a really. big here and they were involved. whatever the sicko and before they even showed you that there are so so much for joining me tonight i think the tonight show it thanks for tuning in and make sure that you come back tomorrow all surprising author of chris hedges with me on the show he says the global corporate dystopias coming at it you know i've avoided i mean time to forget

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