oh. really believe something it's certainly something. that you never. can be alone a show you know get the real headlines with none of the mersey are going to live out of washington d.c. now tonight we'll have a special extended interview with former new mexico governor and presidential candidate gary johnson a look into a massive u.s. spying program conducted against the arab world has been revealed through leaks h.b. gary emails and of course we're going to bring you a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media missed today.

so yesterday i actually had to applaud the mainstream media for taking some time out of their busy schedules to talk about the war in afghanistan and president obama's announcement of the beginning of a troop withdrawal then today they still have more than that to do a little bit of follow up. ten thousand troops will be out at the end of this year twenty three thousand more by september two thousand and twelve military leaders wanted to troops to stay longer but the president decided to go with a more aggressive drawdown plan reportedly overruling their recommendations of war is receding fewer of our sons and daughters are serving in harm's way. president obama's decision to bring thirty three thousand u.s. troops home from afghanistan is drawing praise from that country's leader let's talk a little bit about these thirty three thousand troops that are coming out of afghanistan over the course of the next year or so who exactly are they are they come back

troops. so was a little more of a numbers game without of course remembering the obvious conclusion to this whole story which is that the war is going to be just as big as the end of obama's presidency or at least and the first term depending on what happens point is going to be as big as it was when he stepped into office it's still a big giant massive waste of life and money because there is no victorious end of this war anyway apparently there was only room for a little bit of follow up on that today there was a complete lack of another hugely important story today and all of that was because the lindsay lohan reared her drunken head again lindsay lohan's house party while under house arrest tabloid headline probably not the kind of punishment the district attorney had in mind a party do use within the terms of logins provided as long as she doesn't drink using part of the shirley temple so where shall we start the young actress more trouble more drama. yeah i mean i hate to be cynical but i can't say this is

entirely unexpected she reportedly feels that alcohol test after hosting a barbecue while under house arrest and lo and now that end up back in jail. you know if you expected this to happen which let's face it we all did then why are you treating it like it's great news just wondering you know we should be getting or we should be covering today the fact that general david petraeus was on capitol hill for his confirmation hearing to take over as the director of the cia that's right the rock star general the darling of congress who didn't want the president to remove even that minuscule amount of troops that he's going through now gets to hang up those stars and move on over to a very high powered civilian role all the war in afghanistan is still a huge failure so what kind of a world do we live it when you get a lot away from the longest war in american history which under your watch the troops and civilian deaths rise and in turn are rewarded with another job i guess to ask that question they would have to do a little more thinking and digging into the traces character and. his past this is

a man who is the master of spin and he's got an awful congress and the media he did after all even write his doctoral dissertation the what policymakers believed to have taken place in any particular case is what matters more than what actually occurred so not only does he know how to spin the war we also know that he's like we had investigative journalist gareth porter on this program just a few weeks ago where he highlighted that petraeus had given numbers of captured taliban without actually following up and acknowledging that ninety percent of those people had been released because it turns out that they were no more than harmless civilians but guess what congress didn't ask about that today we know the media isn't going through either the law the war in afghanistan rages on while we now see a military general take over our intelligence agency which you can only assume means that the cia operations abroad are going to expand and which you yourself have to ask is he going to allow those voices those people within the intelligence

agencies the ones that have conducted reports on their own they concluded that afghanistan wasn't going well contrary to the general's words if we're going to let those people still have a voice are we going to see any variety and thought those are all important questions to ask this came to trey's takes the reins of the cia those are all questions that you're mainstream media will mix. ok so tonight we have a very special guest on the program sir to spend the first half of our show speaking to them not only is he running for the highest office in the country perhaps more importantly his views aren't really those of your typical politician former new mexico governor and current g.o.p. presidential candidate gary johnson he joins me now thank you so much for being here governor it's great to be here and you know i'm making the case that maybe i am speaking on behalf of most americans and of course i'm putting out to the test by running for president in the states well first of all i did. i want to let the

audience know that i did give you a little bit of a creative task to do before we got the show started because you know we can't all be as if we have to have a little bit of fun so i had to drive some pictures could you show us the pictures first of all of what it is that you think america looks like right now well so i was going to show the pictures there you know because i wouldn't because what i had what i had is america in a ditch and then i had america on top of the mountain i thought about a flat tire and a fold tire but depending on who looks at the pictures they could interpret them the other way around but here's a here's america today on top of the mountain and here is where johnson is going to take us into the into the hole so that's politics what do you think think that america is on top of a mountain right now i don't think i actually guy i actually don't think anybody does i think the biggest problem facing this country right now is the fact that we're bankrupt i think we're on the verge of a financial collapse and that's because we cannot repay fourteen trillion dollars

in in debt when our ongoing deficit is one point six five trillion this year last year the year before yours going forward so we need to balance the budget we need to balance the budget and then when it comes to jobs i'm advocating eliminating the corporate income tax and then giving certainty back to business something that i did as governor of new mexico and using that as an example right now because of uncertainty we're not building coal fired electricity generation facilities because of the question marks surrounding c o two c o two missions how much is it going to actually cost if you're going to build and produce electricity from coal fired units if we were to remove that certainty there's a couple hundred thousand dollars a couple hundred thousand jobs right there because we need to build new coal fired plants well there's a lot of uncertainty you can say all around all of you know we're going to get major cities on your economic policies and what you do but so i'm just curious right you just spoke about the state of the country right now. including the state

of the economy the factory and fourteen trillion dollars that were involved in two official wars one humanitarian invention the intervention that's really a war we have a couple shadow wars going on why would you want to be president of this country seems like a miserable job to take over right now well i think it would actually be an exciting job and i can't can't hide the fact that i have i as governor of new mexico i thought the job was blood boiling i mean it really to get involved in public policy front line to to be able to understand what was what was happening with regard to all these issues to try and make decisions that were in the best interests of the citizens of new mexico you know what that was blood boiling that was fun and i think as president and states that same that same thing occurs what are the what what's being prescribed what are the front line issues regarding americans and that those decisions would get made with the notion that

they would benefit americans period with politics not playing a role in all of that so the thing is it's not just the president of the united states that makes this decisions right and i think it's that's very clear right now if we look at the battle that's going on in congress and a lot of people watch right tell you that they're just so polarized that's why they can't come to any conclusions they can't come to an agreement when it comes to the debt ceiling or to budget cuts and a lot of americans have described washington as broken do you think that washington is broken right now so what people and not that people don't understand this you elect the congress you know we're talking about hundreds of members of congress we're talking about one hundred senators where you're only electing one president so when you elect the president's arguably you're going to washington as that president so that's obviously very powerful the most powerful position in the world and in that context as back to governor of new mexico i got to run all the state agencies so yeah i didn't have i did not have a legislature that was cooperative at all well i. when you were governor you were

got the nickname of governor veto because i think you broke not only state you broke national records when it came to the amount of bills that you actually beat out is that the way that you would be a president would you would you veto a way well in the case of in the case of new mexico i really so so my. my belief is that the best government is the government that rules the least my belief is that the best thing that government can do for you and i is to empower you and i as individuals to make the choices that only you and i can make but you could say right somebody that uses their veto power often that's ability and abuse of the executive power then you have one person it's not even the hundreds of members of congress because there are very in the case of new mexico only two of those vetoes were overridden i think the arbiter of whether or not that was a good thing or a bad thing was the citizens of new mexico which is a state that's two to one democrat i got reelected i got reelected having done that

so to me what that says is is that people really appreciate good stewardship of tax dollars and i think i exhibited that kind of first middle and why us that's what i did i was a penny pincher it was a democratic state and the thing is you're not a typical republican candidate the right let's let's talk about libertarians and here i want to ask you a question because you were somebody who. you were in support of ron paul in two thousand and eight when he was running for president he's running again this time and a lot of people could say well the only problem governor with your campaign right now is that there's already another ron paul out there do you think that there is room for two libertarians well first of all i'm asked that all the time and ron paul got eight percent of the republican vote last go round so governor johnson what if you split ron paul's vote will if i split ron paul's vote this movement isn't going to go anywhere and this movement i would say is really liberty has its

problems. it's about freedom and it needs to expand to about forty percent so if ron paul and i split forty percent of the vote then we probably need to sit down and talk to one another but if we're to split eight percent of the vote hey this is this isn't going anywhere thing and it needs to go somewhere so does that mean you don't think you have any actual chance of winning the presidency no that's i'm saying just the just the opposite that this needs to go places and i'm trying to take it places and that's not that's not a criticism of anyone else that's just where it needs to go and so there needs to be a broader base of support and if you want to say that stereo speakers are blaring the issue of the issues and the stereo would be sounds a little bit better to people than maybe you could make that argument well but you know at what are those issues that the stereo speakers are blaring because that this is where i wonder how you fit into the republican ticket social conservative

conservatism is still very strong and i think that some of your view is that legalizing marijuana allowing women into the right to choose when it comes to abortions are social conservatives ready to accept that it will so as governor of new mexico i did not get that social conservative vote in new mexico in the primary that was i've run for two political offices running for governor of new mexico running for reelection as governor of new mexico i did not get that social conservative vote in the primary i won the primary i think i got all of those votes in the general election and when i ran for reelection i think i got all of those votes in this case am i going to get the social conservative vote among republicans for those that deem those issues as the most important issues no i'm not so nothing's really changed and there looks to be what one hundred twenty six candidates will be running on the republican side so i might be different than all the others when it comes to those issues only one hundred twenty think they only

are and i always. you know there's only one hundred twenty cities that is finite and you know that i know and i want to switch to foreign policy right now because of course president obama did announce last night in a speech what its plan is for a troop withdrawal and i'm just wondering what you are you think about his plan ten thousand troops by the end of two thousand and eleven b.n. the rest of the surge is out by two thousand and twelve like i said at the beginning of the program at the end of the day the war isn't any smaller than it was under george bush so i thought that initially when we went into afghanistan i thought that was totally warranted we were attacked we attacked back we're at war with al qaeda we're at war with terrorism and we should remain vigilant to that war but after having been in afghanistan for six months we've wiped out al qaeda we've done it that was ten years ago we should have gotten out of afghanistan ten years ago let we did you get into the white house in two thousand and twelve what would you do we would all get out of afghanistan immediately troops same with iraq all

troops i was opposed to iraq from the very start i did not think there was a military threat from iraq i know that a lot was being said about weapons of mass destruction but i thought we had the military surveillance capability to see iraq roll out any weapons of mass destruction and that if they would have done that we could have gone in an address that situation and i thought if we went into iraq we would find ourselves in a civil war to which there would be no and. would you go speaking of civil war as we have gone into libya well in the position that i'm in right now which is running for prez the united states running for that nomination amongst republicans i'm having to issue an opinion on everything that happens as it happens so my opinion on libya immediately after how it happened was that i'm opposed to what we're doing in libya a through z.

and let's. just start out with no congressional authorization to go into libya where in the u.s. constitution does it say that because we don't like a foreign dictator we should go in and topple that foreign dictator where was the military threat aren't we involved in a civil war aren't there five other countries in the middle east right now that qualify for the same intervention as we have done in libya there just doesn't seem to be an end to all this and we're bankrupt we're building roads schools bridges highways and hospitals in all these other countries we're borrowing money and printing money to do that and don't we have those same needs here in this country i think that's the question that a lot of americans are asking right now actually we have to take a break for a minute ever that we're going to come back and we're going to have a lot more with governor johnson in just a few minutes. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something

else you hear see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry becomes a big issue. where we are really. and yet. fuck fuck fuck. fuck.

let's not forget that we are carter right. i think either one is well. or never governor says they're safe get ready for freedom. oh we're back to my first break but we still have more to speak about joining me is

carrie johnson former new mexico governor and current g.o.p. presidential candidate governor so we're that we're here again anything about afghanistan iraq you said you would get all the troops out you've been opposed to libya do you still think though do you think al qaeda is still a threat to the u.s. around the world wherever it may be and well you know i don't want to i don't want to mistakenly speak you know i want to i don't want to misspeak so that's what we should remain vigilant toward i don't know where that threat is and i don't want to misspeak to that threat but i don't think it's military involvement in libya afghanistan or iraq but when you say they would you be doing what president barack obama is doing right now would that include drone strikes and that includes special operations teams they go into into different countries into sovereign nations without their knowledge i wouldn't want to misspeak i wouldn't want to rule that out but but i would just on the basis of libya afghanistan iraq it scares me that we are in yemen i mean that's the that's that's another one of these

under cleared conflicts what are we doing are are the consequences of our actions not having unintended consequences we take out saddam hussein in iraq and iran raises its head iran's main concern was iraq saddam hussein. this is an unintended consequence where the but you're not ruling any of that out you say well and i don't think i would be i don't think it would be when will. i i am advocating a forty three percent reduction in military spending i'm opposed to foreign aid the notion that we're borrowing money to give to other countries. that to me just defies common sense i think military alliances are really key to our ability to be able to save forty three. forty three cents out of every dollar that we're spending on military spending and have other countries take up the slack if you will but then i'm really bothered by our involvement in libya and the fact that

we're there in a supportive role to nato i don't know if we've ever been in this kind of a role where we seem to be in the back seat completely and not driving the bus i ask you these questions because what i think often happens and we've seen this with president obama specifically is that people they will campaign on a certain message and often we see them flip flop and you have to wonder if there's something about being in the position of president if you are if you have more knowledge when you get briefed every single morning on your desk if power corrupts what happened to the constitutional law professor who now has american citizens on an assassination let's see you ever do so in putting american citizen on in the family no was no what you probably know i would alone. as governor of new mexico there were words that i had to deliver to get elected it was so i've lived my entire life deeds speak action louder than words actions speak louder than words i

got elected in new mexico by speaking words i think my actions went way beyond the words i think everybody was taken aback by how the actions exceeded the words which is my resume to this point so all the way appreciate what you have to say and i concur with that what happens to what happened to president obama if there was one thing that we could be assured of electing him it was that we were going to get our get ourselves out of the conflicts that we were in and we wouldn't become involved in any new conflicts and yet this is exactly what has happened it was also very much about the rule of law you know and if we think about civil liberties and it was about closing guantanamo bay it was about getting torture off of america's record it was about abiding by the. log exactly and so what happened what happened that's a very good question i would ask you you already have been a u.s.

ally i want to know so so whether somebody who might be really has happened something might happen then so for me for me to say that i'm going to be different you've heard that before all america has heard that before i would just suggest that my record would in fact bear out the fact that i'm going to do what i say i'm going to do if i don't it's going to be the first time among life where i haven't done what i said i would do i very quickly this is because this is a topic that we always cover and harder i want to ask you what you think of wiki leaks do you think that any of the information the paper leaf has actually harmed national security in america i don't know go after them the same way that the obama administration's justice department is no i would not think that they were the messenger and that if it wasn't the leaks it would be someone else and i really wasn't surprised that any of the information that was let out now i haven't been aware of any information that has been let out that has led to a loss of life because of i'm not aware of that if that ends up to well even or

does anyone know any military or government officials none of that has has that's my and that's my understanding also right that's what i understand so that perhaps they would be your number one enemy of the state. government needs to be transparent the more transparent the government is the better off we all are you know we fear eyes basically about everything that i read coming out of wiki leaks is just it's just what we theorized was actually the truth and perhaps a little bit embarrassing and it got real in not only that but perhaps a little embarrassing and i've always conducted myself in office again i've only i've run for two offices in my life governor of new mexico in reelection as governor of new mexico but the idea of transparency is something that i believe in and something that i think a. maid maid maid state government open to the to the citizens of new mexico president of states let's open the books up let's make this is transparent as

possible there's no there's no magic in these decisions let's talk about the economy very quickly ok today we saw that negotiations fall apart with eric cantor deciding that he was not a part of it anymore john boehner saying that he hasn't blame him because democrats won't budge when it comes to getting tax cuts off the table do you think that they should let the united states default on its that i would not vote to raise the debt limit i think that for all the problems that are going to go along with not raising the debt limit which are going to be significant i think there they will be pale in comparison to the problem that exists just down the road so let's deal with it let's deal with it now and i'm under the believe that they will prioritize their funding and if they will that they will pay on our debt obligations and they will make those reductions happen in other areas which i would just argue for as difficult as this is going to be let's do it now and the whole notion of let me

tell me what it is that you think is coming in the future if we do allow the u.s. to be felt now because we've heard from an economist who heard from treasury secretary tim geithner this would be catastrophic well it wouldn't be catastrophic in my opinion it would not be catastrophic it would be catastrophic to not repay our debt that would be catastrophic i don't see us not repaying the debt if we don't if we don't vote to raise the debt limit i see congress passing stopgap measures to repay the interest on our debt and that's the catastrophic part about it in the short term would not not be catastrophic for short term where short term i know the writings are already i have other people that need to actually collect what the government knows if you want if you want to call that catastrophic if you want to call it catastrophic that we delay payments i think that will be. the pale pale in comparison to not having anything to be able to repay this greece is what's playing out greece is just

a portend for what's going to happen here when they talk about the bailouts in greece i think everybody needs to understand citizens of greece are not getting bailed out they they are in it terrible strait they cannot repay this debt and when they talk right now about restructuring greece's debt that's another bank bailout that's a european bank bailout and you spoke of the four also about the idea another huge collapse coming united states because we have a bond collapse you think that you think china is going to stop buying our debt pretty soon what do we do about that well it's not that it's not that china yes i mean that's in essence what's going to happen is that people are going to refuse to buy the debt curse what we're doing right now is we're buying up our own debt by printing money to do that and that's that's what's going to precipitate this a collapse also there's no appetite for the debt and at a point the government is basically going to be printing all the money to basically monetize our debt and at that point that's the collapse of the collapses is that

our money will be worth anything will we still receive our social security checks yes we will it's just that they won't buy a thing that's president how do you deal with china well how do you deal with china i'm a i'm a free market i believe in free markets free markets are a good thing how do you deal with china in what context would you be talking about china the fact that they are competitive the fact that china might cure cancer maybe that would be a good thing the fact that china is buying up our debt thank goodness that they're buying up our debt what part of china is do you know i did a back of the napkin calculation the other day and i might be close on this but. of the interest that we are paying on our chinese debt the money that they've loaned us for our debt pays for their military spending for a year. well i said i don't know you not only regulate not like i'm not only

not only are we paying for our own military but we're paying for china's military readjusted we have to start doing which i don't want just so they can keep buying up our debt do we become enslaved to them in some way by enslaved to them i would i would suggest that from a job creation standpoint that we should eliminate the corporate income tax by eliminating the corporate income tax in this country why would you start up a business anywhere but this country start up nurture grow business here reestablish this country as the place to do that but at the same time we've seen that some of the largest corporations in this country actually we're getting close to a break and we're just wondering would you mind sticking around for one when i get out there you know seven to ten more minutes per se with that rate here then we're going to take a break and as soon as we come back we're going to have more with carrie johnson here. you know sometimes you see this.