whole bunch of legislation that in my opinion. gave advantage to well connected individuals groups corporations as opposed to legislation that would have created a level playing field where everybody could have had access to the american dream and i think the american dream is in this country is that you can go from having nothing to having everything if you're willing to work hard and innovate but the deck gets stacked against all of us government passes legislation that unfairly gives corporations groups individuals unfair advantage it's the obvious you want to get rid of all the loopholes you want to get rid of the loopholes and get rid of the loopholes get rid of the subsidies a limited have a good strong arm congress into doing that they you've seen them fight tooth and nail right now when oil subsidies well not if that if that doesn't if that doesn't happen i would suggest that gridlock is better than what we have now and i think what we have now is gridlock which is much much better than open ended spending

which existed here just a few short years ago so that's gone away so that's positive i'm laboring under the belief that only republicans are capable of fixing all this i think that that to fix this republicans are going to have to have control of the senate and retain control of congress and have the presidency and really address these issues now why would americans do that yeah what i did was tell you shortly can take it as a diary hearing because a few short years ago republicans had control of all this and they passed a person in health care benefit which at that time was the largest in title man program ever passed in this country and republicans ran up record deficits republicans blew it here a few short years ago why should we let them do it exactly why well that's what i want to al i am under the belief that only republicans can fix this i'm under the belief that republicans have given another shot will actually do the right thing as opposed to what happen here. just

a few short years i think only believe that when republicans actually start cutting from defense spending as well when it's not only coming from things that are ideology ideological cuts that they want to make when it comes to n.p.r. when it comes to planned parenthood. for a living interest and well and the poor yeah and then back to back to this fairness it really needs to be across the board in the in the in the notion of fairness planned parenthood needs to see a forty three percent reduction in the notion of fairness would you prosecute wall street. well i don't think first of all would you tell your justice department to at least take a good look all these people are getting away scot free could say that dodd frank also is not putting any real strict barriers on them here here's here's the here's the rub for me when it comes to wall street is that we bailed out wall street we should have allowed them to fail but we did it so well you know now well so so now are we supposed to prosecute individuals that their prosecution would have been failure that would have been their prosecution that would have been just

a sound i have made now they're making record profits now they are making record but also that they actually sold and go you know when that americans want to see some kind of justice they want they want some retro the justice went by the wayside when we decided to bail them out in the first place the so you just you wouldn't you wouldn't have your justice department prosecute them well of course you would have them prosecuted prosecuted on the basis of of fraud of having broken the law but what they broke was they made horrible decisions that instead of instead of existing in a free market system where they would have been rewarded for those bad decisions they'd have lost all their money they were made a hole by you and i and that's the rub the government picked winners the government picked losers we seem to be on the losing end of this we picked up the tab for all this i'm outraged by it so now i'm curious you said that the american dream of course is that anybody. and this country can be what they want to they where not

that that's always been the american you think of the american dream still exists in many ways no no because house was part of that american dream and now millions of americans have lost their homes now they're underwater should everybody own a home well of course not and arguably the mortgage collapse was caused by the government making loans so available that the private sector picked up on that fact and they made them even more affordable money money back to move into a house i mean i think i saw that advertised somewhere along the line so this was a bubble that was created by the private sector. aided by the government easy money and all of that should have been allowed to fail we never had the fire sale i'm a free market guy i think this country was based on free market if we if we'd have seen a fire sale when it came to when it came to home mortgages i think we'd have has

first of all we would have a stablished a market price on the downside and it would have happened immediately i think the downside would have been steeper and perhaps deeper but that the recovery that we would be engaged in today would be real and that it would be sustainable but we never had the fire sale we bailed everybody out we have yet to have the fire sale so we have this mole lays in the in the mortgage industry that's might play itself out for ten more years but i don't think we last ten more years because i think the financial collapse is closer than that than that do you think that americans are ready for that i mean americans have already obviously been suffering. by two thousand and eight when you say when you say ready for the americans ready for another fire sale for things to get where is there hasn't been a fire so you know before they get better right what would you do you put it on the debt if we do make drastic cuts if we cut we're not going to be we're not going to care we're not going to hurt either no we're not going to cut social security so security is not about cutting social security it's. about making

a system that is that is neat well it's a system that needs to take in more money than what it pays out so without raising taxes when it comes to social security you could raise the retirement age you could have a means testing you could change the escalator built into social security from a from a from the wage index to the inflation index that in itself would make social security solvent in the future i think that what we need to understand here in this kind of a bitter pill and it's and it's not such a the upbeat message is this let's unplug the computer let's reboot it and let's let's set this country country up for hundreds of years of future prosperity but if we don't fix this right now we're going to all be left with nothing we've never had that fire sale the criticism has been that we are in a free market and that we should have regulated this i would argue that no we've had a highly regulated system that picks winners and losers and the free market has not been allowed to function well and this is jim has not been regulated in itself but

what you have is a government that picks winners and losers when it comes to who they want to help out at the end of the day behind the scenes this is all happening behind the scenes that's not part of the overall regulations that we see i want to switch back to i asked you if you would prosecute wall street would you go back would you prosecute the bush administration for a long time obey if they're torturing people you know i think i think we need to let the past go just let it go our way then letting them be above the law no i think clearly i think obama has looked into this. i'm hearing opinions on this i would just as soon i would just as soon look forward with regard to all this well that's been president obama's statement too that's been his entire. south so i would have to go further with words that i would say we all sort of the obama administration in fact meddled when it came to spain trying to launch an investigation into the bush six lawyers into president bush. self and we know that

they actually had them stop that actually i disagree with what happened when it went completely when it comes to interior geisha and when it comes to torture when it comes to and detainment without being charged that's wrong that's not what this country is about it happened and. but it's still happening guantanamo bay is still open president obama has signed. an executive order to have a formal policy for indefinite detention so let's say that you make it to the white house what do you do with with one hundred so people that are still locked up at guantanamo bay congress has tied your arms they say you can't transfer them to u.s. soil going tobe a what we need to close when it comes to guantanamo bay is that torture would be occurring that endless detainment would be occurring without being charged that's what needs to be stopped when it comes to guantanamo bay maybe we keep going tom obey open from the standpoint of actually imprisoning of those that are convicted

if you will but what is wrong with the prisons that we have here on american soil well we have well so the prisons of america i'm just i'm just pointing out what i think are realities to the notion of having a military tribunal actually do the. kind of the conduct of the terror conduct the hearings have not been tested oh yeah how loudly has our civilian courts which i they've been very well to say because we use them for our own rate terry have been much higher when it comes to our federal courts here on american soil many legal experts will tell you that the military commissions are not the way to go well the military commissions are all right for our own military so these are not u.s. citizens they're not u.s. citizens so to have a military tribunal over see oversee a trial not endless detainment not detainment without being charged but a military tribe you. we'll that may be very fair that may be very functional as

opposed to being tried in an american court system that we would be trying non u.s. citizens so in that context that may be an o. k. kind of a thing but but to keep guantanamo open with the notion that we're torturing people or endlessly detaining those people that's what needs to stop we're running low on time now we're almost done i just want to ask you although i have a million more questions of my own i want to know if there's anything that you have never been asked that you've just been dying to tell people that you've been dying to have all their wages about what for want of a question that you wish in some point somebody would have asked you. if you. don't see anybody had you guided to allow you into the debate with all the other g.o.p. candidates all of the other seven of them by the way why did they let you in there's no there's no explanation there's no explanation that. i would argue that

i met their criteria i wasn't led in there was there was a couple of interesting polls that have come out just recently one is that of all the presidential candidates i'm the only presidential candidate that has a favorable rating in their own state i'm the only one and then just a couple of days ago they came out with the fact that of all of everyone running for. u.s. president that my job record is the best of all those candidates now i have never said as governor of new mexico that i created one single job because i don't think government creates one single job what government can do though is create this notion of a level playing field what this government can do is create certainty. that here is government policy it's not going to get worse might not be getting better but it's not going to get worse and i got to run the agencies and state governments so actually they did get better they get to the environment got a lot better well that's what i did and it actually showed up statistically so

alone i've been talking about the fact that you know what in a state that's two to one democrat i think i'm very favorably looked at i was a penny pincher so i think people appreciated good stewardship of tax dollars the poll comes out and says just that i thought i did pretty good pretty good job when it came to the economy and that was back to this notion of a level playing field and this recent this recent paper bore that out also we're going to have to wrap it up on fortunately but you know i think there are a lot of people right now that are a little unsure i think they're sick of the two party system and although you yourself are a libertarian you're still running on the republican ticket i think that very interesting candidate elise starts making people ask a few questions and realize that it's not so black and white but i know if you are elected president i guess out of the one job that the government creates right thank you so much for joining together about later having me on. our we're going to take a break still to come later we have show and tell and our thursday edition of happier

. twenty years ago or just country. this took place it. was. janet your. where did it take the. wealthy british sign off on its own time.

ok it's time for show and tell on tonight's program last time we told you about a c.n.n. poll that shows more respondents have libertarian viewpoints than ever before so is a libertarianism going mainstream a good producer patrice in a sense you to find out what you have to say. so imagine you're at this really cool party and there are people from all over the country who are not in any debt the country is at peace in fact people are even bragging how low their taxes are a few people now they may be carrying guns or smoking weed but it's ok at this party it's a laugh so it sounds like a great time right so whose party is it anyway right you know the libertarian party but it is america really ready for libertarianism to go mainstream this is what you have to set alan told us libertarians are whacked their whole idea of live and let live it doesn't take into account that there are other people in this world alex in

d.c. believes libertarianism is going mainstream expression among affluent and educated voters madman x. he agrees libertarianism is becoming more popular in america but dave he gets a right to the heart of libertarianism going mainstream he said maybe not by name possibly by ideology a lot of people they may not want to be labeled libertarian but many americans are getting sick of the two party system politics isn't just black and way the bottom line is there are large numbers of americans from all walks of life who agree with some libertarian views but for right now they don't have a lot of options to express it not even gary johnson and ron paul they're running on the republican ticket but i bet. this party is going to need a bigger room. thanks for giving us your input and now let's move on to the next question last night jon stewart gave a very interesting comparison between the us debt crisis. on the greek debt crisis

take a look at those miners are upset about proposed austerity measures that would end greek citizen benefits such as six paid vacation weeks a year and retirement with eighty percent pay and benefits at age fifty three you irresponsible children. that is like. forty four thousand dollars of debt per person oh don't give me that were you know to very true yes yes we do have a fourteen trillion dollars debt but we have three hundred seven million people so ours works out to. over forty five thousand per. thing is small greece may be in debt thanks to lower retirement ages and nice benefits think about what we spend our money on aircraft carriers tomahawk missiles ten year long wars

so after crunching all the numbers we want to know what you think who's gotten more for their money greece or the u.s. you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and who knows your response just might make it on air. ok it's time for happy hour this evening and joining me tonight are two producer jenny churchill and jim hansen retired special operations master sergeant and military blogger of black five dot net thanks for joining me guys. we talk about the t.s.a. a lot i think in fact of the three of us have probably spoken a lot about the t.s.a. and all of the touch my junk and all the you know outcry about it so just to get us back in the mood for a second let's remember why we don't like the t.s.a. let's take a look. close to the road we're going to do in order to show you the bees are going to freeze in the under the you know your story we do

a little bit slower we do this here's a test but you're going to have your wrist. to the touch my junk everyone started repeating that the thing is about the t.s.a. turns out they're not just doing these things in airports anymore they're now doing them that ferries they're doing and bus stations on subways and actually when testifying i think before congress the other day or at least on. capitol hill they said that they do eight thousand unannounced security screenings every here so are you ready to just start having t.s.a. everywhere that you go. oh the part i found most interesting is that they've been working with ice so you know you might be going to get your papers inspected while you're being found old and i have to say i'm really on board with this because i only want white hair who are citizens who were able to get past the t.s.a. to blow me up only once i want or why should people who go and try to avoid getting

their job let me bottom line is just because the at one point we're obsessed with airplanes don't seem to think that's great that's hardly the best vector for a terrorist attack or no i mean we've talked about this so many times but if you think about any time you get on a subway or any time you get in a train there's almost no security there but do you really think that we need to slow down that whole process to you already have. really want horrors you know the government agency that's been. really here i don't want to stand in line and you know take a little extra time to be safe now listen i think we can all agree that maybe the t.s.a. aren't the best people to be doing this but that the agency was created specifically to deal with this so who else would you want doing it maybe a private company i don't know i'm not really into the t.s.a. but i do think that we need safety and i don't think that just because it's a train that's on tracks that it's any different from a plane in the air i said that many of the bottom line is it's a waste of time it's security theater so why shouldn't we do it over. and over you know waste tax dollars let's. get out of the airport here you know let's

move on and she was upset because he thinks the people who ride on amtrak are smug . pay the extra amount of cash so yesterday we did this story about the pilot who was mike was open and he's a jerk let's just remind you of how great this guy is. if you were. it. has been better watch what you say in a way. that the you. want it will fight well becky it would. be very. little. greedy they're like maybe what. about when does doesn't get old for me i can't help listening to what's ok obviously the guy is a jerk but now it turns out of the flight attendants union is actually trying to

sue him for for discrimination which i think that's a little ridiculous they are actually idiots because this sound clip what does it prove that k. is grannies in grand days are all employed by southwest which we don't evaluate the ai is how are they i mean that fat fatty. i want to know how are they being discriminated against by this one person to their get as why not happen sadly how about also if you carry diversity for southwest and i think the obviously all pilots deserve hot chicks and i'm wondering whatever happened to google because we're all stewards were you know no one actually is that their unions flight attendant unions exist and that's why he got a like on days grant. really who'd like a good service to say i did fail sell it when i say i was a sad thing it may be this man's description for oops that there is no discrimination. all right let's go with this last tory which one have you had

with religious writings for this or is this your mindset that there are sick people in the world and their problems and this guy's one of them take a look. at this guy accuse of being a genuine downright sicko cops say he had a thing for dogs maybe other animals too denise a relic covering the extreme out of all abuse accusations unfolding now in richland county denise. yeah the dog warden said this is absolutely one of the worst cases that he's seen that in nine years you see nothing like if this guy was actually hosting pictures and stories about his deep love for animals. this is just so sick so the guy apparently had pictures all over his apartment of the love making that he was doing with but the poor little dogs there is maybe a horse involved as well and the thing is in ohio they don't have

a law against. so i don't know what's worse the fact that we actually need laws like this or the fact we haven't caught on that there are sick people in the world and so they made one of the really frightening thing and so they've taken the dog away and they're going to try him with animal cruelty but they might not win the case because it's technically not illegal to have sex with your pets in ohio i have to say is if they give that dog back to that man i'm going eco terrorist style busting down his door and fremantle i think i promise you i think this man is actually a target because i have friends who have definitely confirmed something that has been said among all the and they say for children a woman for pleasure a boy for x. to see this guy just worked his way around. and i cold. called homeland security jim what you're saying is that all people who practice p.c.l. a-t. are terrorists because according to some terrorists practice there isn't really.

here they were involved. whatever the guy's a sicko and before they even showed you the dog so. much for joining me tonight. show it thanks for tuning in and make sure that you come back tomorrow holds their prize winning author of chris hedges on the show he says that of global corporate dystopias coming at us i've avoided and i mean time to forget become a fan of the lower show on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any of tonight's show or any other. it's become a catch all that you can dot com slash the law to show where we post the interviews as well to show in its entirety we have next is added first the next.

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electroshocks because i will not science. i was forced to agree that. the us refused to even reveal they were holding current as his mother owns this lawyer to find her son it took several years there was no chance to get in contact with mr corners it's really a shame for the united states what happened in. national law and it's simply impossible in the twenty first century to put someone in the next. room and saying you have no right bush for moves to end the practices they are imposing a set of standards on our.