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it is not the first time she's been asked if she searched for chloroform not war not the economy not the future of this country no the cable news channels are leading with the internet searches of some woman from florida i mean where is the sanity people going to show you what's really happening in the world starting with libya. blah blah is the washington streets guilty of criminal. crimes against humanity so is the obama's in the streets and. well judging by the silence of this administration it seems that what happens at good moment stays a good mile and who cares if it's great if you were enemies abroad or i don't know
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cost them soldiers life right or wrong but i have more in just a bit. and this time it's the wall street employees who are on the chopping block and i don't know about you but when bad times catch up with those who helped create i'm well i do country jump ship. paving it's friday june twenty fourth eight pm here in washington d.c. and we see coughing up and you're watching r t. all right well casey anthony anthony murder trial scandal it is not that is not what we're going to be talking about at all here except to make fun of the fact that this is what's on all of the channels all day long i mean i personally don't get it but libya libya is something these guys are not really covering we are of course one of the bigger developments today the top admiral dealing with nato sam locklear the head of nato joint
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operations admit openly that we're trying to kill gadhafi now remember all that talk about i don't know a humanitarian mission we're not going to do much there are limited human limited engagement policy all of that apparently is going out the window not to mention the fact that we have the house now if if if if you need to find a definition of schizophrenia if you like and go no further than these lawmakers in the house because on one hand these guys are saying no obama bypassed our power you know we do not want to authorize this war they pass a bill saying that obama does not have their authority to go to war and then they pass another bill. allowing the congress allowing the funding for this conflict in libya to continue i mean where's the sense here i don't personally understand it i don't know who does but let's talk about the real casualties here the real people who who are dealing with this on a daily matter these are the libyan civilians and artie's maria notion of spend some time with ghazi these family hasn't had the wool kwan's and peaceful life they
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swung for months they've escaped from the libyan rebel stronghold of benghazi to hide in this refugee camp in the west of the country to life and they need to tone became. it's not safe there anymore it's become dangerous and it's not only because of explosions and. people from the government and you call them rebels we call them terrorists came to mean we have to arrest you don't because we know that she supports gadhafi. these cave has been long and hard for the win in their family but i remember it was it a problem i have with it what i had to hide for some time from them as they've been searching for me from them we knew there was a bus coming from gaza to tunis here the bus with the gravels for their purposes we took that bus with our faces covered and everybody was against gadhafi on it we told them that we were also against him and they let us sane we kept silent until we went to egypt and from there by june as you know we were sent here. to get them
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through this summer brother assad read his surgeon has also fled the city he says they've made three attempts on his life but he only finally left when he saw a killing. taken were from from from your killing him in front of your person good on the world because the doctor says people from the national transitional council were behind it this is the rebels official political body says are part of the revolution in libya started in the mid february its members are recognized by many countries throughout the world as the only legitimate representatives of libya there is. a new venue there will be a new. was there you are against. this about freedom democracy there is no freedom or democracy there is just want to go up the refugees here say they now finally feel safe but it's not that safe from the side of the frontline either. these people have gathered in the west of tripoli to bury those
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killed in nato airstrike called in to leave and government officials a barn landed on a private compound and flattened killing fifty people including three key we have been. calling for peace and negotiation for months and no one wants to listen to us now we have to pay a very heavy price of. casualties civilian casualties and also military casualties i think the time has come for the world to understand that this conflict has to come to an end immediately which is very unlikely to happen any time soon when you dug around in this cemetery still fresh well nato has already claimed the operation to protect civilians must go on with clashes cantina in benghazi and nato intensifying its bombardment of tripoli both eastern and western parts of the
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country are perilous to say and people are dying on both sides of the frontline many here on the ground fear that when the democracy the west talks about will finally come here they'll not be enough people left to experience it. there isn't much now azzi pulls in from the west and maybe a few news outlets seem to be giving libya the coverage that it actually deserves and when they do it's armchair speculation a lot of folks to reading the same headlines that i have right here and talking about what they think is actually happening on the ground there so i'm a little tired of that someone who's actually spent some time on the ground in tripoli a map and as an investigative reporter and you just came back a few weeks ago as i understand it when yes i was actually a member of the delegation that former congresswoman cynthia mckinney led there and i have to say that even worse in arms to arm chair speculation the washington post which you just showed and the new york times happy reporters in tripoli court obviously living in an alternate universe because what they were reporting their
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date lines out of tripoli were had nothing in common with what we all saw on the ground first of all they were saying you know schools were closed and i watched the kids go to school yes things are not normal in tripoli long gas lines because of the sanctions imposed there is some shortages of food because of collective punishment is being applied by nato blocks but of course i've blocked including fishing boats i can't see fresh seafood and so yes it's very similar what goes on in gaza with the collective punishment on those people there but. it could not be had a lot of support in tripoli there's a report today from the murdoch normal rupert murdoch x. . distributors of propaganda wall street journal and take it or saying that kid off is getting ready to flee tripoli why would he has total support from tripoli all the way to the tunisian border we had to go by car we actually encountered one impromptu procrit off a demonstration on the main highway and we got out as he we want to know are these
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you know already still being paid by the government this was no it's totally ok when i read this i mean i think this is a good office line son of a bitch who is running around tripoli getting out that gets by agra and. you know faking civilian casualties you know you say yeah it's not really a problem no and you know that we haven't seen an information war like this a propaganda war since the you know the leading up to the war against iraq and the occupation remember the yellowcake uranium the biological mobile weapons labs you know colin powell holding up the and for all that all that nonsense is the billion innocent civilians slaughtered yes one thing we did go to the hospital we saw civilians who were and had been hit with shrapnel i think one of the things is nato is saying we are not targeting civilians we've got this video footage of these people photographed and now nato at least has to admit that it is hurting civilians in its attacks and they did admit to killing recently that killed some children i
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think by the sound bite from president obama our own president at the few days ago where he mentioned libya let's not forget that. when innocents are being slaughtered and global security in danger we don't have to choose between standing idly by or acting on iran. instead we must rally international action which we're doing in libya where we do not have a single soldier on the ground but are supporting allies and protecting the libyan people and giving them the chance to determine their own destiny. so when you heard the president protecting the libyan people if you are lying so i would say so and we we know that he doesn't even have the support of members of his own party in the house of representatives seventy democrats voted for a resolution to curtail the u.s. support for this operation today in the house basically. look another thing it's not being reported there are some rebels who have gone back to gadhafi and we have
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seen reports of nato hitting rebel columns there are other reports that these may be rebels trying to get back to tripoli to rejoin copy cannot these given amnesty to these people and many former rebels including when i spoke to said look we weren't happy with gadhafi but when we saw nato including italy our former colonial occupier join this thing and now there's some question whether the italy want to participate in this any longer they're you know to say ok he's a dictator we've had him and around for over forty years but darn it he's a libyan nationalist and he has given us the highest standard of living in africa and there really is thinking to be just a focus back here in the u.s. as you mentioned the house but there's it's an alias the thought of symbolic about it's not actually going to change the libyan policy immediately but it should send the message that congress isn't very happy with this war the american people are very happy with the war forty six percent of them according to a new gallup poll today and how does this administration sell this conflict to the american people and to lawmakers let's listen to what hillary clinton had to say do we have that. the bottom line is whose side are you why are you on khadafi
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side or are you on the side of the aspirations of the libyan people and the international coalition that has been created to support them now and i don't know about you but that's kind of familiar sounding let me play you another clip that we might have in the control room if you're with us. if you love freedom and with nations which embrace freedom or you're with the enemy there's no way in which way do you know whether she is with the enemy that's that's clear with me on this well the media is silent and worse as i pointed out they're putting out this information rather than reporting the facts as they see them on the ground i think what we're seeing here is you know khadafi before this rebellion started in libya he was part of the international community he'd given up his w m d's in two thousand and three to george w. bush's administration and bush got out there day look what a success is says we're now friends with khadafi the thing is is that many of these
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libyan rebels and this is one thing that has not been reported in the first targets of the nato air strike was the libyan anti-corruption agency in tripoli they were trying to destroy the documents they had information they were going to actually bring charges against some government ministers for siphoning off libyan oil revenue and putting it in their own swiss bank accounts isn't it funny almost to a person these are the ministers who defected to the rebel movement i think back in the media topics i mean i just want to ask i mean it clearly is especially if in the mood of the country against the kinetic military operations everybody caught in libya how intense it is better now but it's shifting right. why let me phrase it this way when the left and the fantasy call to put it on their own and i thought you know c.n.n. many many years and look at who i was and why is that general electric's you know you're on the ground here getting this information information jibes with what the people of america seem to believe which is that the conflict is not necessarily
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worth that why are you the pseudo hanoi jane i mean you're not read back on oh absolutely well they don't want this information out and it's funny i had more of an opportunity on libyan state t.v. to give the you know what we're talking about here without any sensors present night the next day people total strangers coming up to me on the street in tripoli thank you for coming here to tell the truth for once look. n.b.c. still a lot of the ownership is general electric one of the big military contractors fox is murdoch who has his own interest in keeping these wars going neal if you're not going to get on any and c.n.n. which is more into infotainment like the latest murder trial in the south and on that i think we have a photograph we had an enjoyable meeting this morning where we noticed that all three channels that we had on the mainstream channels that we have the control room was was covering something very important it was a breaking news story let me show you what you're seeing here right now and if anything all the way on the left believe that the c.n.n.
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i can't really see it in the middle and fox news i mean come on guys. i think this is a problem and look this is more than a libyan situation a war this is a this is another constitutional showdown between the white house and congress and we haven't seen it i mean the whole purpose of the war powers act was to curtail if i show you like them in pakistan right now and well and isn't it funny we you know here's another war against arabs and muslims and you know where's the outrage i mean this was all about a war of choice it's all about iraq being a word choice this is the word choice and the people basically many of these rebel leaders are just as corrupt as i am a child was i will handle it way and i don't want i don't to give you that title but i do really appreciate you taking the time to explain what exactly what's going on since we're obviously not getting it here thank you so much doesn't that's a good journalist wayne madsen. right well you may not know if it is actually the international day in support of the victims of torture now i don't know it until i
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got this interesting little e-mail from president obama from the white house press office stating that. he wants to wish the world. basically get the world to remember he says right here generations of americans have understood that torture is inconsistent with our values so it's inconsistent with our values pray tell explain to me why stories like the one you're about to see take place take place under u.s. authority under u.s. oversight and of course talking about guantanamo bay and if you daniel bushell spent some time with one man who you'll see for yourself but he had a pretty rough experience there take a look. as was arrested on the streets and sent to guantanamo for torture after five years america released him without charge to this day the u.s. has given no explanation all said story couldn't as is suing george bush's lawyer alberto gonzales for ruling torture is legal interrogators from the land of the
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free are free to cause quote simulated drowning and rape point instrumentality impairment of bodily function organ failure and even death i was one of those who survived. on myself. because i want science. i was forced to agree. and i was. the us refused to even reveal the will hold income earners his mother these lawyers to find her son it took several years there was no chance of getting quantic corners it's only a shame for the united states what happened in this plot concerned national war and it's simply not possible in the twenty first century. or
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put someone in the next. room. and saying you have no right push for moves to end the practices they are imposing a set of standards on our intelligence communities in terms of interrogating prisoners there are people who think will be ineffective in the classified memo gonzales did warn us gods it was legally safer to perform torture on foreign soil ministers and the european union were glad to oblige the e.u. agreed to help arrest and transport people to countries where they could be tortured in a meeting here at nato headquarters in two thousand and one detainee's may or may not have been guilty since they never received a real trial we just can't know for sure. perak obama was elected on the promise to short one time tomorrow but he's even appealed u.s. court rulings which give detainees some rights two years home but prison still open
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for business that is washington street guilty of criminal. crimes against humanity so is the obama administration and so is your plan for participating and what exactly executives from bush down and they'll figure going abroad after foreigners ford lawsuits over torture when the world learns what america's doing said bush's advisor we will all be ashamed the new bushel r.t. braman. right when it comes to guantanamo bay let's talk really briefly about sort of the course of events that that that erupted we have the tragic i've kept in mind eleven the country is shell shocked rightly so it was a devastating events i remember i was right here in washington when it's a place we don't exactly know how to react so there's a lot of panic and fear the u.s. military sets up a essentially human intelligence gathering laboratory in cuba of all places and lo
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and behold we have guantanamo bay a black hole for prisoners a black hole for constitutional rights and unfortunately black mark on the u.s. reputation abroad and as well as here at home let's let's let's make sense of all of this how this was allowed to take place what hope there is if any of that getting shut down and what exactly is going on in that dark void with us for more from our los angeles studios jason a little cold he's an investigative reporter and the editor of truth out dot com jason thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us now the story that you listen to beforehand you know who knows whether the accusations this this prisoner was making are true or not but they're pretty dire they're pretty shocking why wouldn't the administration or at least comment i mean that doesn't something that was deserve a response. well i think it's it's quite complex let me just say that morocco he wrote a book called five years of my life i'm very familiar with the book and would encourage people to read it in the book he actually describes it in her riffing
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detail the torture that he endured in one particular gruesome incident he describes how the federal leaders were used on the soles bottom of his feet as some sort of torture method he talks about the fact that he was forced to. take unknown drugs which is a common theme that we hear from many other guantanamo prisoners in terms of whether the administration should apologize i think you know i'm just going off of what what other attorneys have said apologizing would perhaps be accepting. some sort of. being complicit more or less that it would be acknowledging that in fact this detainees were other detainees have in fact been torture and that's the idea please something that we know that this administration has not
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has refused to do i would never in my years of covering politics that would never wait for any administration kid to apologize unless it was essentially done so with the barrel of a gun pointed at it but i. don't think people understand that when you have incidents like this when you have scandals like guantanamo bay like i'll go grey of these kinds of images these kinds of stories whether they're covered by the mainstream press here in the u.s. or not they were vertebrate across the world i mean how many jihadi is do you think that the case of this prisoner creative in theory spawned. sure i think it's you know you make a very good point but look we when we spoke actually a couple of months ago when the kuantan m o detainees files were released i noted that there was this stunning hypocrisy within this administration and it also was was true for the bush administration and that is vilifying other countries other governments for human rights abuses in many instances the same types of human
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rights abuses that. that that we in the united states are guilty of so to try and make sense of why why this administration frankly why people in general are not paying closer attention to this but why the administration is not speaking out more forcefully and in fact why congress isn't either is. it really comes down to just wanting to make this go away wanting to sweep it under the rug but as you note here what's really important is that this isn't going away this you know when you have lawsuits when you have detainees coming forward to describe what they interred that that ensures that it will remain front and center and this is just a perfect example but this administration has actually gone out of its way to thwart any effort to hold anyone accountable to even launch any
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sort of investigation we recently heard however that the special prosecutor who was investigating the destruction of the torture take his name is john durham from connecticut that. he convened a grand jury recently to look into the death of a detaining known as the iceman at abu ghraib and you know the belief is well perhaps these actually you know pursuing something that may result in. some sort of charges or an indictment and i doubt it we already know that so with regard to the torture tapes that there was no accountability whatsoever in fact he ran out the clock on the statute of limitations there so. the the a.c.l.u. one of the you know. what it was before we get it we get a little off topic actually even a really good point there because he talked about how the u.s. often brings out the human rights abuses and as he says of the law in other
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countries not really looking at our own behavior here and i want to play you something that president obama said when he addressed the nation earlier this week if we have that sound. sure in all that we do we must remember that what sets america part is not solely or power it is the principles upon which our union was founded we're a nation that brings our enemies to justice well and hearing to the rule of law and respecting the rights of all our citizens we protect our own freedom and prosperity by extending it to others case in the countries where u.s. troops are on the ground right now how do you think people in those countries would react to that statement and how does that threaten the lives of our soldiers there . you know that's a good question i try to get an idea of how our own troops would be. threatened by the fact that first of all we're we're not holding anyone accountable
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it's really hard to say i think that with regard to some of these other countries. the way that they're looking at us it's becoming. cynical perhaps with that i think that could be the you know the right word hypocrisy is another word that's often used simply because we're not holding our own accountable i can't tell you how many press releases i have read from the state department within the past three months talking about sanctions and human rights abuses that match exactly what the bush administration had done to detainees in cia black sites prisons in u.s. custody so you know it's it's one of the issues that. no one seems to want to mention reporters that is when the you know when these press briefings go on. i think other countries are looking at. being hypocritical
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they don't really believe the rhetoric coming out of president obama's mouth and that goes for secretary of state hillary clinton as well jason you know perception is one thing but i can only hope that genuinely this is not a perception different translate to actual lives lost on the ground because at the end of the day there are folks that american folks had said the risking themselves as a result of this policy and the administration refusing to talk about it i do hope that changes the thank you so much for your time really appreciate it jason leopold investigative reporter and the editor of truthout dot com make sure to check out that site. right layoffs on wall street probably means the end of the economic world as we know it right well let's listen to a copy i watched of the business insider as she explains. this revenue down and banks have basically increased salaries and banks can't afford to do that if they're not making money so what do you do you start cutting jobs and people are
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going to be angry about it and i think that there's going to be some unhappy faces on wall street but if they're not making the money they can't be kept around of course but i mean we can sort of look at wall street as the warning bell here i mean these are the folks that know how to make money these are the folks that are i mean they make a living out of buying and selling dollars they know how to make cash like a even as the rest of the country suffers if these guys are going down should that be some sort of a warning sign that hey maybe this crisis is going to get that much better. exactly and i think of what happened was there was kind of an idea that was happening that maybe a recovery was on the way because banks were making money again there were huge bonuses being paid out last year and that was an issue there was a lot of backlash and i think that's one of the reasons actually salaries instead of keeping bonuses the fact now that they're not making money shows that perhaps the economy isn't growing as fast as i thought it was numbers keep coming out
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suggesting that chokes on growing across various sectors and i think that if there's not money being made on main street that usually kind of fix the financial sector as well and if you're not making money trading then these banks can keep the bankers on so scared should we be i mean should i sell my crap and move to some nice sunny country somewhere far away from either the euro zone crisis or the u.s. . i'm not sure yet but i think there was basically i think what happened as well is because banks like to make money again and these financial services firms started to make money again they started hiring again so basically what happened is they've got an increase in staff levels they're paying more salary because they're not allowed to pay bonuses or they you know they don't want to incentivize risk taking again so what's the answer let's salary and that way be working based on long term strategy and not thinking about you know where the next thousand dollars or
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ten thousand dollars is coming from but that really increases expenses so. these cuts are probably a result of hiring more when they thought the economy was getting better as world took it seriously were you then saying is that it's not the end of the world it's not that the economic recession has taken over wall street and we should all jump ship it is that these guys yet again mismanaged surprise surprise what they did with their own internal finances and now they're paying the price is that we're saying. yeah i mean i don't think that they mismanaged i think that maybe there was hope where they should know pain and there are certain areas of getting cut. equities are going to be i think that they'll be certain areas in each bank which really have to look hard at how they're going to maintain great profits with people and people who are angry at the banks they're angry all the money that was being made and i think that the terms and starting to respond to that by i guess reducing .
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