well. whenever there's safety ready. in the morning commute in the. middle of. the. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so sleek you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here see some other part of it and realize everything you saw you don't i'm sorry there's a big. fight

. for. food. or you're here all it's time for friday night's big picture rubble where i sit down with three expert political commentators to debate the week's biggest stories on our panel tonight hey pavlik news editor and writer at townhall dot com karen finney democratic strategist and jamie weinstein senior editor at the daily caller welcome to all of you and let's get started. yeah. the new jersey state house

passed a harsh anti-union bill yesterday that shreds public employee benefits cuts off cause the living increases their pensions and kills their collective bargaining rights but this isn't new. new got new jersey governor chris christie is just one of several republican governors and declared war on the middle thoughts all around america as this chart shows the american people are turning against this radical right wing agenda's republican governors around the country are watching their poll numbers plummet and shouldn't governor rick snyder for example the numbers have dropped twenty five points since he won the election last year so all these republicans. listen to their constituents and abandon their war on the middle class or will they just ramp up their war of democracy with voter id laws to disenfranchise millions of voters who are urban and. tough time with. their better right now we know that what the republicans are doing is not necessarily talking about these things aren't popular attacking third rails of politics aren't popular but leaders leaders leaders lead they don't look at we're

pausing to take them and follow and that's what chris christie is doing he's acting like a statesman and we are in dire economic times what we need are statesmen not follow or do you need that but you know what you're seeing is people who lied to people to get elected and sensually now basically saying we don't really care we told you when we were running for congress now it's senator or governor now we can just do what we want to do in the devil is really in the details and the most interesting thing is that you continue to hear people say this is not what we voted for and yes we want spending cuts it's absolutely true as he campaigned on getting a budget in order and what he's doing is simply asking public sector worker workers come in mind the private sector and pay a little more into that he said you said like that or and he ever say oh well i should mention but also remember when he also campaigned on a little something called green energy and was he just decided he's going to get out of the compound so he got as you know money is not efficient and sadly i don't think you're going to do when you're running i mean either say when you're running and keep that promise or don't talk what you think they want to hear today we're

going to have a lot of you know big cruise ships with politicians that said they were going to do something you didn't quite follow through and unfortunately this is going to be a real i'm going to keep going to things that christie didn't do and in politics one ok but what he's doing is that leading on the big issues to save his state and he's found support with democratic legislators fourteen of which voted with him on along with us including your leader leader of the state legislature the senate we should be applauding this he says we've got his national lead and this is leadership and nowhere in the constitution is to say that we elect leaders we elect representatives people that we send the cars that people that we send are going to have to go to vegas or is going there was no we want to doesn't say either that you have collective bargaining rights and i didn't say that the taxpayer. there's a couple in all their money and pay for the public sector and actually making a shared sacrifice we always talk about shared sacrifice it's time for the public sector unions to give their fair share the way we've come from union households and this is such crap i mean the thing about labor unions they've already said we're willing to come to the table and pare fair share and let's remember that the negotiations that have happened over the last ten or twenty years people have

already given up they gave up great pay raises they gave up cost of living increases because they were told you know what we're going to put it in your pension now what they're saying is we screwed up not only are you not going to get what you thought you were going to get we're going to continue to keep your wages low that is not the compact between government and people and the one thing chris christie has done that i think is honorable is to admit yeah you know what the people who are managing the budget of the state screwed up because we didn't put enough money into the pension plans in order to be able to pay out but now going back to working people and we don't have the luxury here we don't make minimum wage if you made minimum wage for most of your life that's a lot of money that you're talking about because you don't matter if the prices are a promise they're not going to promise in the future you have to raise taxes of twenty five hundred dollars per year for the next thirty years on everything or household in terms to pay for the match and so it doesn't matter what you think you are being called on i mean you know he's also not going to you're going to have a budget sweeney who came on board and as you understand the problems as well that's. cool i was six weeks to go until our nation starts to fall if you know its

debts republican majority leader eric cantor walked away from the negotiating table your state republicans are demanding spending cuts exclusively to hardworking families in the poor before they'll raise the debt ceiling despite the fact that the congressional budget office warned that spending cuts aimed at working people will shrink our economy meanwhile this chart clearly shows the bush tax cuts are the single greatest contributor to our nation's budget deficit and the cvo on wednesday released their long term budget forecasts just two days ago showing that of congress does nothing as you know let the bush tax cuts expire and do nothing. six years by the end of that time by the end of president obama's second term we'll have a balanced budget so are republicans just confirming what i've been saying all along that their number one goal isn't to fix the economy but instead to make president obama one term we are hoping that president obama is a one term president but the truth is the first tax cuts are not the problem the economy medicare medicaid and social security are the republicans are trying to

address this use now and. it's not going to do you know how it probably has to be done and are doing it let's explain the different position here that i think people would accept the fact that yes we need to make some changes in the way we're spending and the way that when frankly even speaker boehner admitted that we need to bring in revenues and then he sort of flip flopped on that just about a month later but point being i think people would be more willing to accept this if they felt it was a fundamental some effect sense of fairness but it's not it's more trickle down economics that we already know does not work you know what this is how i try to figure out where some were true things on this matter paul ryan coming out with his plan he took an issue that is not generally popular but usually usually loses votes this is not something he did to do with elections he did it because it was necessary it's called political courage where you saw you see someone stupid neck out like that then you realize why are they doing this well there's no political advantage to it it's because he believes it's necessary once again i think it's me actually the political advantage because he can screw banner and try to actually

also put it put the basically say i don't have to deal with you deal with it and like a little child on the on the ground thing i mean anybody anybody. who's getting political debate. is all about screwing john boehner and that's exactly this is. about the idea of coming out here and trying to reform entitlements it's not a popular thing you're going walking away from the discussion going this is you are doing everybody the same is a bit on the right he says if we if we just hand over you know you're giving every senior eight thousand dollars voucher and say go to the private sector where they're making twenty thirty percent profits and there was a very big. that's your question is it ok for him to walk away i think they're right in the sense that they've accomplished what they can at this level it's time for the president to get involved along with john boehner and with harry reid and come to a deal that would be more believable if he hadn't actually not even told his own i don't know speaker that he was going to do a survey of those that are going to go and ask you this is i got to go she should like i think it is it is it is so she decided to go back to your question what

everyone sunday or yes everybody ravenously do but we need revenue through the growth of the economy not raising taxes you have exactly we're going to have something to do they want to protect the burden on the job creators in this country you say it's on the job creators job presenting community money to taxes you're saying that a lot of middle to our job you really really are to ask her on the people who are and who i know you're right well you don't know why are more and more people that work in their homes i suppose or cut their grass i suppose i mean maybe that's. absolutely not absolutely not that's not going to get us out of that mass of that line of roster of generators are businesses or job creators or people who are spending money it's absolutely president obama pitches afghanistan a war strategy to the american people was weak it includes a drawdown of thirty three thousand troops by the end of next year still even after this drawdown they'll be more u.s. troops on the ground in afghanistan than before president obama took office but there's another problem with america's wars in the arab world take a look at this chart produced by the un high commission for refugees this week

which shows that nearly half of all the refugees in the world are fleeing american wars in afghanistan and iraq is yet another terrible consequence of our war on terror that's where we talk about mainly because those refugees are not fleeing into the united states so how can we possibly winnow hearts and minds struggle in the world and we're devastating the lives of millions of innocent civilians five million i know it's awful i mean refugees is awful that's always the result of world war two had you know i mean millions of refugees and he's going to be any study of history understands that war creates refugees and. magic but it's unavoidable part of war turned it is actually for the instance of afghanistan women have rights there they didn't before we went in there refugee problem is a huge problem like you just said on the start however you've got something that can be fixed so it's a process and hopefully you also forgot to leave out in that same study showed that the united states is the leader in the world with having permanent refugees come to

this country and pursue their own american dream and we've got another one hundred thousand you know iraqis as if you know it was not yes i think the point that you're making there sort of fundamentally i will a larger point actually was senator kerry made this point yesterday and i was a really important thing for us to just take a step back and think about regardless of how you feel about libya iran iraq afghanistan what have you we are engaged in so many places in the world where what people are seeing of our country and our people our men and women in body armor with guns and are we comfortable with that look i think president obama has done a very important thing in trying to change the nature of the relationship we have to the rest of the world we were hated under george bush we are now in a much better place he certainly tried to rely on diplomacy but it does concern me that i don't want the world knows about us to be just our soldiers because there's a lot more of who we are as a people and what we have to offer the world community what we were going through in world war two through and through france and an extremely conservation camps and

a lot of people saw us with guns and you know what they were happy to see what was sometimes you just believe me when i talk about the other end of that you never hear from the people who actually respect the united states and respect george bush me talk to people in iraq and afghanistan who are outside the extremists yesterday who joined the trial or any other business or trade off during george bush's term yes europe was it was not fair toward us but people who are who are now not living under saddam hussein and allah being under the taliban will tell you if you talk to them that they're happy that we were there so you never see this side of we're building schools or giving people opportunities over there you only hear these videos that we blew up. in half. i understand they would not be ready. to you know that is they're going to school and the fact that you're playing at schools being on holiday i mean i think you know parenting or has been a strategy and i'm sure that if the republican presidential candidates then suggest that it be great if we could be building more schools here in the united states actually than other countries put in donald trump are you know it was not done and i don't think you can be one of them and the two men if you could not romney. leave

it there citicorp released a new report this week predicting that india's trade economy will surpass the united states as the second largest economy in the world it's already a foregone conclusion that china will pass us for the top spot for the next couple of years so what you china and india have in common they both have protected economies that have an all in for the free trade gimmick so once the american economy falls to the top slot to third or even worse then what can we finally say that thirty years of trickle down and so-called free trade policies simply don't work or do republicans and many democrats very frankly just really want to become like the libertarian you know so you know all of the crucial thing they have in common and that is over a billion people about four times the population united states has not only is natural that a country that has four times the population of united states as they as they modernize it in advance what it would have greater g.d.p. growth that's just a natural consequence of

a country rising of course and china and india they're adopting free market principles even though it's not nearly what it should be and that's why their economies have grown over the last thirty years while sub-saharan africa has not why is it that we're no longer making things about the thing as president obama has talked about and he's right i mean we have to get serious about the fact that we don't make a lot of things in this country and we don't make enough of the things that clearly these emerging markets want and need so if if we're going to actually deal with these trade gaps make a couple things one we've got three trade agreements languishing on the hill thanks to our republican friends have decided they're going to block it but in addition to that we've got any of a lot. again this is a long term prospect not a short term prospect we've got to really focus on in terms of manufacturing are we making the things that people in other parts of the world actually want to buy let's look at the reasons why we're not making things any more we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world that's our environment our environmental regulation our admire it and secondly. you see the margins are so ridiculous that businesses

can even start from the low level of not imaginary rasher an hour later than they are i know most of the music is that we lead in the end of technology we. really why are there are no other reasons are more universities are the best and where no one is even close to us on. american manufacturing with with heavy government regulation that's what we have environmental factors in how we did it we've done it since the one nine hundred fifty s. in germany. there wasn't as much regulation from the e.p.a. and governments have to be very consistent to do with regulation that said we have thrashed out all six of us seventeen i do want to alexander hamilton introduce his report on manufacturers was ratified in seventy nine hundred from seven hundred ninety three until the one nine hundred eighty s. the united states had the most protectionist economy in the world and what did we do we built the biggest and strongest economy in the world we started tearing down those trade barriers and those protectionist. i don't think that that's a bad word we started we reversed alexander hamilton at the same time to chinese looked at the us and the japanese looked at this and said hey let's do that south

korea's average average g.d.p. and south korea was five hundred dollars a year that was an average annual income for a family in south korea in the one nine hundred fifty s. in the one nine hundred sixty s. they started our policies protecting their economy and boom their economy grew the same thing in japan in the one nine hundred sixty s. i mean germany is doing right now china is doing right now india is doing right now he still is trying to right now we have helped south korea grow absolutely that's your evident absolutely. chang is that is the he wrote bad samaritans i strongly recommend you read to jamie's oxford and i'm going to hear there's plenty of economists believe that. these are protectionist policies that help us get into the great depression right god us nonsense trade is only three percent of our you know if you're upside and they're not going to tell us we are talking about somalia that have two years after the great depression people are the problem and what's happening in our politics and i hear happening on this panel is we have been so reduced to it's the labor unions for as the straw man or you know the bad guy is

actually the e.p.a. which i'm you know they've actually need our air cleaner which actually is better for business because cleaner air means less people taking off work because they're sick and that's fine if you disagree with that but point being these issues are complicated they're not just about a simple you're the bad guy and we're going to get rid of you which is the kind of ideology frankly that we're seeing with these republican governors have started talking about rather than actually looking at these issues this isn't about the bad guy this is about what's really going concern about the race and psychoses ness and that's true all right paul ryan earned a dubious distinction this week climbing in a bloomberg poll to become the nation's third most hated republican just behind you gingrich and say with surveillance i guess it's time for him to consider running for president those kind of numbers but aside from being honored with a top three finish and most hated republican one of the lesser known awards is going for a this is our rapid fire here a the most hated politicians of wisconsin governor scott walker has a lock down. be the insensitive i phone app of the year award with his new hit game

throw grandma off the cliff which i mean is way more addictive than angry birds or c. the any monster look alike contests. i'm going to go with not of those and i'm going to say people who are thinking later. i think he's going to go away so i'm going to disagree with the choices and say i think he's going to try to and he's bringing instead of bringing sexy back he's bringing trickle down economics back and creating a nation of people and yes bringing her courage back because he's going to get leading on an issue that's not popular because of what he's doing it because it's right necessary and i see the the republicans. aka supportive the person most likely to cost republicans control the house and forty two mostly katie. karen and jamie thank you all so much for being here thank you for the question after the break a daily take on why the uptick in prominent computer hacks as little to do with ranking and social activism and a lot to do with an imbalance in our nation's history.

let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here. i think may be the one well. we have the government says the safe get ready because you're going to their freedom.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you don't know i'm sorry is a big. fight . for. fight.

yesterday the hacker collective known as lul security released a cache of private data including intelligence bulletins and training manuals it has from arizona law enforcement hat was part of a mission to fight arizona's illegal papers please law that encourages police to use racial profiling to identify illegal immigrants into the state lul security referred to arizona as a racial profiling and immigration police state rules says that like any police state transparency is hard to come by and that's why they say they're breaking down barriers standing between the people and a corporate corrupted government that's in the business of hiding information from the population lul security is now teaming up with another group of hackers known as anonymous amos for a string of cyber attacks earlier this year against enemies when he looks at the hackers spoke about their mission saying every week we plan on releasing more

classified documents and embarrassing personal details of military and law enforcement in an effort not just to reveal their racist and corrupt nature but the purposefully sabotage their efforts to terrorize communities fighting an unjust war on drugs. love them or hate them the rise of little security and anonymous and in particular the biggest internet muckraker of all of them wiki leaks was inevitable in today's world there are forces of nature basically respond to imbalances in our democracy you know nature hates vacuums and will always move to fill open spaces this is a basic law of science similarly citizens hate that humans in the in their news media as in democracy can't function without a free and open press proven by relentless investigative journalism our founding fathers knew this that's why the only industry mentioned specifically in the united states constitution is the press they knew that our democracy couldn't function

without a fourth the state of journalism and thanks to the rise of corporate media monopolies and patriot act policies that swash journalism and whistleblowers as we see in the cases of the new york times reporter james rising has been spied on by the cia and former n.s.a. official thomas drake who blew the whistle on government waste and judith miller of the new york times shilling for bush's war in iraq investigative journalism in america it's pretty close to flat lining it's a shell of what it used to be so as the newtonian law of politics we have it something has to fill that void. it's like something has to fill the void of nature and that something is little security and anonymous and wiki leaks but this isn't a phenomenon a place exclusive to the united states it's occurring all over the world from tahrir square in egypt where democratic revolution was ignited thanks in part to government abuses exposed by wiki leaks to china where the ranks of the solders are

swelling to syria where the people were in the streets again today brought out by activists using twitter and facebook and cell phones in much of the world the press is not doing its job either because it's been taken over by corporate interests or because been snuffed out by to tell it's very regimes but no matter how hard some may try to cloak transparency and silence journalism information has a way of finding the cracks and leaking out to the people that's what we're seeing today with internet activism a new breed of investigative journalism to take on the entrenched forces of secrecy in corporate rule and we'll see more of these sorts of things if real journalism and real news don't return to the american landscape this means bringing back the sherman antitrust act and breaking up the corporate oligarchy it has strangled our news media it means constructing strong financial disclosure requirements our politics so that we all know where the money in politics is coming from where it's

going and what strings are attached to it and that means praising and not punishing the forces that we're comparing transparency to corporations and governments so that the people's interest is best served this is the new paradigm in the hacker investigative journalist versus the forces of secrecy and corporate rule how did this come about how did we get into this point where we've got this vacuum where where news is not news where we have infotainment but mostly it began back in the early one nine hundred eighty s. when ronald reagan stopped in force in the sherman antitrust. virtually all of our media now is part of a giant interconnected trans national corporate hydra. ben ben bag wrote a book called the meet the media monopoly that can fifteen years ago twenty years ago the first edition and every every year or so he's been updating it we've gone from hundreds of companies owning their media thousands of companies really

newspapers all over the country to hundreds to dozens to now fewer than ten control most of the media that more than eighty or ninety percent of americans read watch or listen to it so if our politicians and our military and security institute institutions are concerned about hacktivists there's a really pretty straightforward and easy solution break up the big monopolies. particularly the media about by enforcing the sherman act and thousand competitors small media groups will last and america will again be the well informed citizen and ball of society that alexis de tocqueville marveled at almost two hundred years ago i visited the united states and wrote democracy. that's the big picture for tonight for more stories information stories we covered visit our websites of thom hartmann dot com and our team dot com also check out to you to pay to you tube dot com slash the big picture archie beach and dot com slash park and this entire shows

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