good job betov the international criminal court's most wanted list but is the court really practical or just an international waste of time. and it's show time president obama taking a leading role in what some call the political theater of debt talks today but will it make a difference and just how many more all employers and americans expect. and calls for sundancer redemption after thirty three years and us president and countless global supporters touting his innocence what is so wrong with clemency for leonard peltier.

good afternoon it's monday june twenty seventh four pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster and you're watching r.t. now the international criminal court has issued arrest warrants for libyan leader moammar gadhafi along with his son and his military intelligence chief there for crimes against humanity against political opponents now this is the second time in the court's nine year history that it is issued an arrest warrant for a sitting head of state let's say the success of this though the other was sudanese president omar al bashir who is now facing trial or excuse me he's not facing trial at the hague and that is because he is still ruling he's the president of sudan and his charges include war crimes now there are some other arrests that have been made that the court has issued let's look at some of them one is for the kenyan deputy prime minister and minister for finance of the republic of kenya. on charges of

murder forcible transfer rate persecution other inhumane acts now if you have and it up the court been handed over by countries let's look at look at a couple of those one is charles taylor let's put that up he is the former leader of liberia now his charges were actually from the i.c.c. but he ended up being extradited there for the actual court hearings for that trial and another included the former kong elisa leader let's go to that he was apprehended he was a rebel leader of the democratic republic of the congress if he was taken to the i.c.c. for charges including enlisting in conscripting children under the age of fifteen years. into the armed forces and using them to participate in hostilities but what do these charges mean for khadafy as you've seen the court charges don't always result in somebody actually facing a trial of record or even being arrested on those charges and could even be a hindrance to peace in libya and if gadhafi came to the u.s.

get this he hypothetically would not be arrested on these charges so why is that well joining me now to help answer some of these questions is radio host alex jones thanks so much for being with us alex nice to see you now first off i just made the point that if gadhafi came to the u.s. he hypothetically would not be handed over to the i.c.c. and that is because the u.s. is not part of the i.c.c. and the i.c.c. relies on member states to make arrests now the u.s. signed onto the treaty for the i.c.c. but did not end up ratifying it other large countries have done the same why do you think that is why isn't the u.s. a part of this. because certain elements of the united states and of course i'm amongst them realize the i.c.c. is basically a global government court of the larger private central banks that are dominating our society and the i.c.c.c. or the i.c.c.

saying that they want to try davi for crimes against humanity that would be like having hitler over the nuremberg trials of nazis you've got european nations in serbia and now in libya bombing and killing civilians that's not the plaited shooting up fishing boats and you have them now admittedly trying to assassinate khadafi itself an international war crime the i.c.c. has said nothing about the war crimes in iraq and that eight and a half plus year war afghanistan the admitted massacre so this is really a joke in the way the i.c.c. carries out trials is a joke just like the world criminal court was love them illogic and again i'm not saying any of these guys are good or bad the point is he died while they were holding him and they wouldn't let him have as witnesses they wouldn't let him testify so it's a total and complete kangaroo court it's a joke and it's a tool of basically the anglo-american e.u.

stablish meant to go in and persecute countries it's western backed rebels that have been overthrowing these countries are trying to in syria and overthrowing egypt with the old ally mubarak and now against gadhafi and it's on record the left is backing al qaida groups in the east who are real war criminal so the i.c.c. the world court all of these groups are kangaroo joke courts like the vatican six hundred years ago you know ordering that different teams in england places be arrested and it's a bunch of criminals basically legitimizing their genocide wars and their neo colonial invasions because they issue arrest warrants for. we want to rob all right let me get in here alex i don't think i've ever heard you agree with the u.s. government on anything i think this might be a first here on since you've been on r.t. so why then are we hearing nato members and the western mainstream media come out and champion this as kind of a good thing as a success they welcomed it the report from voice of america for example or that

libyan rebel leaders are you know excited and welcome these charges so why is that reaction if the u.s. dismisses this court entirely. because the united states knows this violates its sovereignty and criminals in our government know that they could be charged for war crimes by the kangaroo court and they also we have large constituencies like ron paul and others that understand we have our supreme court we don't need this i.c.c. our jurisprudence our common law is the best in the world no one can debate that and so there's still the stooge will. movements to keep us out of the world court the i.c.c. any of these groups so it's a complex issue but the world court the i.c.c. they discredit themselves in look imo neither side muslim crow or or sir i studied it and even though you want to ditch the croats and muslims kill

double the serbs that serbs killed so why aren't they hold up well the serbs were the main power base and had to be removed so the e.u. could come in and absorb it and control the narcotics money coming through out of albania so it's all just cold blooded li done so all these courts are just complete joke and they a lot of times they kill who they're holding before they ever get to trial i mean this is this is a complete joke this is a modern political dungeons let me let me get here first alice as i thought about that you said that the united states already has a supreme court that this is the american justice it's all that that america needs that need it sovereignty violated as you said we just heard that the us supreme court has refused to hear the case to revive the lawsuit of the great against contractors now this was in two thousand and four when the thatcherism or its huge embarrassment for the united states people were very outraged over it when this be a perfect example of a great case for the i think before an international criminal court. well europe is

all part of the same corporate combine that really runs america and that would just be a political grandstanding situation to promote globalism and add legitimacy to it in attacks sovereign nations whether it's china russia or the united states or brazil for that matter india we have courts to deal with it and there have been moves for impeachments there have been moves for a federal grand juries to indict the white house warriors gunyou or to consolidate the called for that and i have promoted criminal charges against president bush for what he did but we don't need some kangaroo court doing that that's for the united states to do but if american justice fails and what about another option of international and legal. well i mean who created these international courts i guess the linebacker that there's a yes or no question are there any situation where that would work. are big the

a good alternative when i think i could say i don't think it's the job of this kind of record if america continues down the path of the tyranny in a nazi germany situation it's going to bite off more than it can true watch it later did or like the soviet union did and it's going to collapse or we're going to be attacked and invaded and so that's for a sovereign nations controlled by shopper and people this whole you in european union court system is run by a bunch of people even more digenova than the us and russian or chinese elite these are the worst of the worst run by a bunch of hedge fund bankers trying to play the part of imperial world government gods so i sit down with their eyes to see this again having them go up because the be for war crimes is like hitler sitting in the nuremberg trials to go after nazis it's a sick joke and there's no room for the new world order or world government so no it's up to americans and other people around the world to deal with their governments and to take their governments back and then to prosecute criminals it

is not the place of each you course and globalist courts that have proven there can group maybe if they were legitimate and i read how like alex i'm getting here but i just i do want to we heard a lot of your opinion on that and i do want to switch gears really briefly goddess and report ok we argue i think everywhere is a kangaroo court on that we've got it we've got your take on i want to ask you about a different story that you've been covering and that is something that we covered uyghur ago and that was the g twenty and the protest and that it carried a one billion dollars spent on security at that time there were reports that it was possible that maybe cops were using agent provocateur wars in some of these protests activities that your website is reporting that documents reveal that canadian cops use agent provocateurs to disrupt the two thousand and eight twenty i'm curious what evidence you have that the state may have a ranged from the property destruction we saw with the black bloc protesters and order to offer a rationalization for that nearly one billion dollars that they spent on security

what evidence do you have. well key bono who stands to benefit back in two thousand and seven no eight it was in the c.b.c. and the auto a citizen of that that there were an artist dressed in police boots with the same logo on the bottom and when they confronted police about it the police staged a fight with their own officers to fake arrest them mock arrest them and the canadian royal mounted police had to admit that that was staged and now last week the c.b.c. admitting that police were infiltrating the groups to engage in criminal activities as a pretext to attack the larger crowds and back in ninety nine we caught police in seattle the seattle post intelligencer reported attacking police as a pretext to the necro to then attack sixty thousand peaceful people at the two thousand and eight democratic national convention in denver denver post reported police attacked their own police as a pretext of an attack peaceful crowds i was there and i thought they look like cops your average real anarchist is

a method about five feet tall but you know giant anarchist on steroids that are able to you know throw large men by feet you know these robbers and police i thought that at the time that couldn't prove it later it came out that they were so you see giant men in black uniforms with masks on attacking police and it looks like professional wrestling and it's fake or real man punches another man people get hurt these cops go and hit each other and that they fight and then turn the rubber bullets on the protesters and opened fire on the ladies so they've been caught over and over again so that's how we know that that's the case in canada and even major t.v. up there saying that that's what's happened so they're extrapolating from the larger trend is something that we're going to continue to look at because i have my own experience from the ground in canada and conflicting reports but we certainly appreciate your insight that was alex jones radio of alex jones so now as you just heard speaking to the topic that i raise of my last guest i probably recall the name from outside the g twenty protest last june r.t.

was on the ground covering them. black block protesters lit fire to a police car you can see it there they vandalized storefronts well now police documents that alex jones mentioned have been released and shared with c.b.c. news in canada and they show that officers were assigned to a covert team expressly for monitoring and ample trading suspected extremist networks now they identified from these extremist networks as anti-capitalist groups some that you saw in those protests there now they also said that these forces had a mandate to use undercover officers and informants from within the ranks of protest networks to deter prevent investigate and disrupt threats to the summit now some like my last get has taken this to substantiate reports that agent provocateur has played a role in black block vandalism one accusation is that this was to substantiate the one billion dollars that they spent on security that came under him and scrutiny there was a lot of controversy surrounding it now i was on the ground reporting oh look there

i am from the protest during the g twenty and i this was a theory going on then and i tested it i had several anarchists or if it's who were friends and close with the black rock block protesters they didn't participate and if this effect activities that they did that they were within the entire time they witnessed the police lighting the lighting of the police cars on fire and the bashing of the storefronts they wash their friends do this and they said that it was definitely their friends the black bloc protesters that they knew they did not believe that it was police and they also substantiated the ideology behind these actions but if it is true that the police use agent provocateur or is it sounds like the jury's out there are conflicting reports but if the police were involved the question then becomes to what extent does police involvement create these scenarios create these criminal scenarios encourage people to break the law and that's what we want to hear about from you we want your comments. we want your

feedback we want to know what you think post your comments on this story on our youtube channel at youtube dot com slash r t america we're super interested to hear what you think about that now earlier today we also i actually didn't get a chance to address it with my last with alex alex jones but i wanted to bring up the u.s. admiral has admitted that nato forces are in fact trying to kill gadhafi in libya that the goal is regime change and it may not end there speculation surrounds the u.s. state department plans first reading democracy around the world but these are washington's plans for programs of for and regime change the u.s. is providing finance and technology to opposition groups and according to our kids they answer to can they attach strings could be used to fear other states where america wants them here's our argument the u.s. state department now generously hands out cash and kitchen ology to dissidents throughout the world it's bureau of democracy human rights and labor has announced

the request for proposals on how to foster change in a number of countries in the middle east and north africa as well as cuba the u.s. claims the best of intentions saying it wants to strengthen independent civil society groups in those countries it's just in really another form of provoking regime change they're just trying to do it under a different guise under a different facade saying that somehow with the best of intentions they're promoting democracy but in reality it's just promoting us agenda among other things the state department is financing the creation of stealth wireless networks that would enable activists to communicate outside the reach of governments in countries like iran syria and libya according to produce the goods in the projects other programs include a so-called internet in a suitcase a powerful portable wireless transmitter that activists can use to set up their own networks in order to circumvent state control but at the same time. can companies

provide a stories in bahrain saudi arabia and kuwait with the technology to effectively block websites those still senior students back system everybody should be fully aware of things and understand this. yes well you know the government and fostering regime change since we call revolutions our technology is not all the us provides to instigate change in certain countries some opposition movements get a direct cash supply for example we can leaks cables show that the state department has for years secretly funded syrian anti-government groups it's done in general to create a world that is a more aligned more specifically more controlled we align with the views of the united states i'm now looking at the state department website that promotes grants for those willing to bring about change in communist cuba and here

is one of the requirements i'm going to read this it is preferable with these personnel who speak spanish fluently possess solid understanding of the cultural context and have prior experience on the island in order to maximize their refractive miss in this unique operating environment and of quote sounds very much like recruiting agents but instead of doing it the traditional secretive way the u.s. does they're right out in the open on their website help most often comes with strings attached many say opposition leaders in libya who now get financial and political support from washington are sure to get instructions on how to return the favor essentially. but end up. with. agents of the u.s. government even if they don't necessarily think it's going to check on r.t.e. washington d.c. . now today president obama meets with top senate leaders on the debt they are trying to resolve this stalemate that we have seen going on and nothing has worked

yet so will they accomplish anything this time or is this just political theater some argue joining me now is raj notions is president of many capital to tell us what he thinks about this what is your read are we going to see prep progress on the debt or is this just political theater as one analyst i read said you know stomping your feet on the ground about what you stand for you know politically versus anything else rallying or being you know i would have to agree i think that this is all show just like it was all theater when in two months ago you had house speaker boehner come out and say that the congress needs to vote against or vote against increasing the debt ceiling and that we need spending cuts in the in the trillions not in the billions only two a month later right before we hit the may sixteenth debt ceiling last month he came out and said you know we need to cut a deal with obama we need to increase the debt ceiling using the same you know for the long term credit worthiness more reserve currency status of the nation rhetoric

that we keep getting from the white house and burn it when one of course you know this couldn't be further from the truth you know you take it so you think it's political theater but yet we are seeing some reports that maybe there are some changes in people's positions going on according to the washington post senior g.o.p. lawmakers say they are now willing to target one of their sacred cows defense spending do you think we could actually see some major defense cuts. absolutely not so long as obama continues to bypass the congress and use nato as a tool to continue to fight five wars now in iran afghanistan pakistan libya and yemen we won't see the defense budget being touched at all because these wars are going to continue and to a large degree artist economy have become not only a function of artificially low interest rates but also of these wars as well and the white house has now warned that you know if we don't increase the debt ceiling

you know it could mean you know the first the fall in u.s. history but you know that's not that's not true at all you know we don't have to do but we can still meet our interest obligation to our creditors on the debt if we really start to think about cutting spending you know like you know what you know to make a similar argument to that is michele bachmann and interestingly she announced her presidential candidate candidacy today and according to polls in iowa it looks like going pretty well she has twenty two percent the port just after mitt romney who had twenty three percent per cent support of course she's the tea party caucus leader she says that you know the warnings over raising the debt ceiling are scare tactics she made a similar argument to you about the payments and being able to avoid default for them that something geithner said isn't possible and she argues that bending needs to be cut dramatically but does person support show that this is really what american people want. her support definitely shows what the american people want i don't think you americans people are in favor of this reckless spending especially

on the war front but it's important also realize that you know our leaders may talk about spending cuts in the future but that is a really mean anything you know they can agree to raise the debt ceiling now and say that you know they'll cut spending going forward you know you can only make cuts to the current year's budget because every year entails a new budget so cutting so saying that they'll cut spending over say five ten fifteen years in the future that doesn't really mean anything you know we're it's important to realize we are already in a state of default you know how many bushels of soy a reserve how many ounces of gold and silver can our lenders buy with all those u.s. dollar reserves no quickly i want to get to this project because you make a lot of points about what is a faded economy if we're already in default that does not sound good that sounds bad but here is what the president u.b.s. america is saying he's saying since i sat here i year ago we have two million jobs that have been created exports have gone up by ten percent and technology is booming agriculture is booming but when you look at the cd and you hear what we are

doing here that we are not doing well i believe we have built a foundation and are on the right path i don't know sitting in what i would imagine is a cushy office in new york i would imagine that it seems like the country's on the right path is the country on the right path according to you. absolutely not i mean these guys continue to scream in air conditioned rooms coming up with a war strategist just like the u.b.s. data is saying that we're on the right path of going back to the point about our creditors you know how much can they buy now three verses in one thousand nine when china first started to buy or load up on u.s. dollars so it's clear where the progress is they're just continuing to debate the value of the current that we have record high food and energy prices say about that we're running out of oil at a rate of seven percent per annum pretty soon there won't be any oil and jim rogers says at any price it's clear that there isn't any progress being made ben bernanke . all right well i'm so sorry those are great examples but we're going to end right there that was president of many capital roger out of time for now will it again.

june twenty sixth was yesterday and it may not be a day that stands out to all americans as the very important day of remembrance but for native americans it is remembered very well as the day of anguish is the anniversary of a shootout that erupted between the f.b.i. and the residents on the pine ridge reservation in south dakota now the incident led to the conviction of american indian movement activist leonard peltier who three decades later more than that is still in prison today f.b.i. post here is the murderer of two of their agents but to many a post here supporters ranging from foreign parliaments to the dalai lama in the late mother teresa he is a political prisoner at an unfair trial and deserves clemency earlier we spoke with one of those supporters brian becker he is of the national the national coordinator of the answer coalition and he has organized protests on called here we have i asked him you know talk here is in his sixty's is there more than three decades in prison he's had a stroke has diabetes is partially blind on humanitarian grounds as many of his

supporters call for what is wrong with clemency clemency for what he said. there's nothing wrong with clemency leonard peltier should not be in prison he should have never been in prison he's the victim of an f.b.i. witch hunt the frameup the individual who's been held culpable for what was a conflict a very deep rooted conflict between the native american communities in that part of the country and the f.b.i. which was conducting the cointelpro in the counter intelligence program designed to destroy the american indian movement which like the black panther party which champion rights for black people they were championing the rights of indigenous people native people and of course on a humanitarian basis leonard peltier should be released immediately he's also the victim of a frame up and it's only because of the f.b.i.'s war against leonard peltier it's the war against really the progressive in the community that he remains in prison now the f.b.i. does not see it as les they see it as

a case closed however there is a lot of compelling evidence that shows that whether you agree with the f.b.i. or paterno supporters there's a lot of evidence that he didn't have a fair trial witnesses that recanted witnesses testimonies that the f.b.i. later admitted they knew were false false. perjury when they. extradited him from canada to the united states so given all of this why haven't they paroled him when he was up for parole in two thousand and nine for example this is the problem in the united states if an f.b.i. agent or a police law enforcement officer is killed those entities become a lobbies that refuse to allow any sort of consideration for unfair trial prosecutorial misconduct tampered evidence all of which is rampant through the leonard peltier case and many other cases they refuse to allow it they want to make it just signal a symbol that no one who is convicted ever of killing

a police agent or a law enforcement will ever go free that sort. an article of faith in the united states so even though the trial was a farce even though the evidence was was turned out to be fraudulent and even though the main witnesses for the f.b.i. told the courts later that they had been arm twisted by the f.b.i. that they were fighting for their own lives that they succumb to pressure even with all of that the f.b.i. won't let it go there was a lot of rumors that bill clinton would pardon. leonard peltier so the f.b.i. actually organize demonstrations around the country to protest against the possible parole or probation of leonard peltier this is a lobby by the f.b.i. which really is culpable for the murder of many of scores of native american activists and trying to say historically if there was violence it was all because of of the indigenous people not the f.b.i. is on going cold war against the indian people and about something that that

supporters like yourself argue what is the most compelling piece that evidence at that well well we know from the from the church ariens in one thousand nine hundred six these were senate hearings that the cointelpro operation by the f.b.i. targeted political activists they targeted them for a cessation surveillance they tried to create divisions within groups in the case of the american indian movement that was rampant that's all part of the record and we can see from the evidence from the trials that the the the prosecution in the f.b.i. asserted that these agents had been executed at short range that wasn't true they said that the that they were that the vehicle belonged to one or pulpier that was untrue all of the evidence turned out in subsequent hearings to be untrue but nonetheless leonard peltier is politically isolated because the f.b.i. is a powerful lobby in the united states affecting unfairly the outcome of this court case you mentioned clinton possibly being considered that he would pardon now

obama as one who has come out in support of native american. when he was elected and at the last the annual conference the native american tribal conference he said so long as he holds office never again would and native americans be forgotten or ignored he didn't bring up or acknowledge paul t. heir how important is that to any semblance of his support of native americans where you are rated as far as acknowledging it and granting clemency i would say leonard peltier is to the native american indian indigenous population in the united states what nelson mandela was in south africa he is the symbol of the struggle for freedom for civil rights for justice they believe the native people in many other people including the italian parliament the belgian parliament the european union that he is the big them of an unfair trial he is the victim of a frame up so this has emotional significance for indigenous people still fighting for their rights all over the united states the.