market. i know what's really happening to the global economy with much stronger no holds barred look at the global financial headlines kaiser report on our. broken the law to show where the real headlines with none of them are saying we're going to live out of washington d.c. now so i will ask what the i.c.c. as a showing of an arrest warrant for moammar gadhafi will mean for the war in libya i'll speak with dean baker of deficit talks in washington are misguided and of the american worker has already lost and will look into what could be next for hacktivists after lol security announced this saturday that there are you have all of that and more for you tonight but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has missed.

well today we all learned what we already knew was going to happen because she already announced to the g.o.p. debate in new hampshire a few weeks ago the michele bachmann would be running for president had just by already knowing this for a number of weeks apparently the mainstream media thought it was breaking surprising jaw dropping news my name is michele bachmann i stand here in the midst of many friends and many family members to announce formally my candidacy for president of the united states it was right here that she made that announcement and repeatedly tried to make the connection to iowa voters saying that everything she ever needed to learn in life she learned here proclaiming herself a daughter of waterloo and that's a big question mark and i and you talk to any political analyst looking at this field and we always put the caviare out there that this is very early. and even

though these polls are showing long thing that can completely change by the time we get to the iowa caucuses. yeah you know what i wish they would have been talking about in regards to should michele bachmann running for president what she would do with the war in afghanistan i don't know ask why it is that the economy concerns her so much when it comes to our wars abroad with the exception of libya because let's face it that's an easy and very popular attack coming from conservatives these days while they hypocritically still so for all of our other wars why it is that's about as why it is when it comes to defense spending does she really not have a whole lot to say oh yeah that's because the mainstream media doesn't have a whole lot to say when it comes to defense spending either but i forget let me give you just a few numbers them i put things into perspective for you and he are the u.s. spends twenty point two billion dollars a year on air conditioning alone in the wars in iraq and afghanistan and you hear that air conditioning i doesn't even count weapons troops infrastructure rebuilding projects the training of afghan security forces about

a million other things you can put on that list n.p.r. even put together a nice list of everything that costs that that program costs more that and that includes air conditioning after iraq and afghanistan is more than nasa's budget it's more than b.p. is paid so car for damage during the gulf oil spill it's more than what the g. eight has pledged to help foster new democracies and egypt and tunisia those should make you pause for just a moment but if they don't let me give you the examples that we came up with on this show air conditioning in iraq and afghanistan is costing us more than domestic programs that are being cut or targeted by republican lawmakers domestic programs that could really be making a difference it's more than national school lunches it's more than heating assistance it's more than eight chivied and aids funding federally so i guess you could say that that's probably something we already knew about to just like we already knew that michele bachmann is going to run for president but the thing is that most americans don't know it because the mainstream media doesn't report it

and that's what they missed. well today the international criminal court issued arrest warrants for libya's leader moammar gadhafi as well as his son safe and military intelligence chief listen to see how the warrants are for alleged crimes against humanity from february fifteenth to the twenty four judges apa hague said that there was sufficient evidence they could offer he and his two relatives ordered the killing and imprisonment of hundreds of civilians and the white house has already responded saying that this is another indication that moammar gadhafi has lost his legitimacy funny considering if the u.s. doesn't find the i.c.c. legitimate enough for the country to sign on to what how could these arrest warrants change the course of what's going on in libya or legitimizing more attacks with throwing a political deal out the window let's get to the bottom of it and discuss it with me is john classers the assistant editor and blogger for antiwar dot com john

thanks so much for being here tonight for starters let's think about this right moammar gadhafi isn't the only one out there with an arrest warrant out for his name you could say was same thing sudanese president omar al bashir and that the west warrant was put out in two thousand and nine and yet he's still in power so does that make this kind of a non for us. yeah i think so i don't think it changes the calculus very much for gadhafi he had in some to before to stick around as much as possible maybe hold out until congress starts to defund the war or something whatever happens and he still has that incentive but this is sort of the i.c.c. in this respect the sort of acting as a tool of u.s. foreign policy sort of a way to say look even if you do yourself out of this he's still going to be hunted by the international community for trial at the i.c.c. so yeah i don't think it changes the calculus very much but even say also that part of u.s. foreign policy well that's foreign policy is mixed in this regard because on one

hand we're being told that perhaps they do want to come to a political solution they would like to find a nice cozy luxury place for a moment to retreat to but then at the same time we have u.s. officials we've had an admiral last friday and he even admitted on record yeah we've been trying to kill him the whole time so do you think that you know if you want to say that it's a tool of u.s. foreign policy is that legitimizing the assassination attempts yeah i think so i mean it's a stablish fact by this point that the u.s. is aiming specifically at regime change very very aimed at places. where they thought he was numerous times very mystical a man have their hands in libya for as long as possible to try and set up some clients they that would be ideal for the u.s. so you had certainly justifies further attacks but it is that also i mean could you say there's some kind of a psychological game here right because a lot of people say that any political negotiations for him to step down or completely fall apart if he were shown arrest warrant that's just to make him take

his heels in because once they say he doesn't have that many options of where he could go so they know he's going to dig his heels in they know they're going to get more chances to bomb away yeah that's why i think it doesn't change the calculus that much he knows he's in big trouble the world's only superpower is after all and the fact that. arrest warrant like you said bashir got in two thousand and nine there's no head under. after him. it doesn't change the character isn't it hypocritical though how come nobody looks at what jay carney today said in the white house press person when they say that this means that it isn't as legitimate and ask why it is then that the us is not part of the international criminal court . well that's a really good question but if the u.s. were part of the international criminal court they'd have to sort of come to grips with the fact that many of their client states through the enthusiastic we learn support to commit the same crimes because he has been committing we were was the i.c.c.

in yemen when saleh who was enthusiastically supported by us was committing all sorts of atrocities to take care of the who rebel and rebellion in the north where was the i.c.c. in bahrain for example when it was opening fire on innocent nonviolent protesters. so you know the u.s. is inherently contradictory in their stances in the us they can't lend legitimacy to organization that wants to keep people in check i think you say where is the i.c.c. as well as in syria in fact congressman dennis kucinich is in syria right now what do you think of that would you like the fact that. he's flying all the way to syria to try to take care of this or whatever you want to call it of the stuff it's interesting it's sort of surprising too because he's not he's sort of marginalized in the senate and the fact that he get to meet with someone like assad is sort of surprising i'm not sure you know what'll come out of it he bush are is making assad is making the same promises he made in years past oh you know we need some reform

i'm going to stop the protests peaceful use or and so forth and he's making them today as well i don't think it's going to change much now in regards to libya of course the thing that we've heard repeatedly not as if promises mean anything anymore but this war is that there will be no troops on the ground by the admiral locklear josh rogin from foreign policy to have seen what he said to a congress member which then kind of put everyone on the spot because he not only said they've been trying to murder it off since the beginning he also said that if they do that they're going to need troops on the ground think that that would be taken in the aisle and get some people to start revolting and you know it is. be nice if it did but it's sort of a long progression it's going the same direction we could've said before when the united states was still saying oh we just want to protect civilians before they said ok we actually want regime change we could've said oh once they say we want regime change everyone's going to get too upset and this will be the end of the war but once if gadhafi is taken out of power and then the u.s.

wants to send in troops i'm afraid too many americans will just passively accept it as sort of mission creep they always do yeah it's a concern but i don't think that americans find that there is some kind of different you know the administration is trying to paint it as if there's a difference between hostilities where troops are involved and where they're not but i think that some americans might see it that way through this long as they think that we don't have men and women on the ground actually putting their lives at risk and their ages playing some operational role in the background gathering intelligence then maybe i can call it that but then it is a certain point what do you say it's possible but a lot of this sort of sentiment you're talking about should have been coming from obama supporters back before he surged in afghanistan the way bush did in iraq i am skeptical in giving the american people a little bit too much credit in this regard we have a global military empire we're running five wars and they're still not upset enough so i'm not sure that ground troops in libya would have some off too much overhead

so what do you think about some of the congressional action that we saw last friday i think it was seemed a little confusing for people that we saw the house vote down vote against a resolution to define the war and we also saw them vote against a resolution that would allow the war to continue feel like there hasn't been enough explanation there in the census as to why these people actually voted no against against a finding that i think congress enjoys being impotent that way they don't have to you know be accountable they don't have to claim responsibility for any rash decisions they enjoy the for. that the imperial presidency can make war with impunity you were ever in whenever you want and that's why there's sort of you know lollygagging i'm trying to figure out which in my position to be and how do i hedge this and why would i be moderate why do i you know be strong. you're an ineffective institution at this point when it comes to keeping the president in track in terms

of your powers and i think will continue to be but i think the frustrating thing about that is that you know if you go back and you speak to some of the people like our percent of around poll that have been against this war since the beginning and it seems confusing and voted. against defunding it it's because the finding it in fact in the resolution involved finding a few programs you had even the anti-war people voting against that because they plain and simple didn't want to give the obama administration any leeway because they always just say the inadvertently congress did kind of a group is that right exactly there was all these exceptions within the bill that said you know we will defund it unless it's this or defund it unless it's that and it essentially. legitimated every action that's being taken right now things like funding friends like arming nato things like you know targeted tax thrown things like this so yeah that was the reason that the anti-war bill which it really wasn't was working down well in the meantime i guess congress isn't doing. warrants issued

for moammar gadhafi as a ras and we'll see if that really changes anything at this point my daughter's been acting so much for joining us tonight on. a sort of comes and i think is relations a strong warning to any journalists covering the plane flotilla because the trip this week in that story when we come back and also says that so far after a fifty day fast so tonight we look back at their worst and what if this really isn't just the beginning of even more attacks anti-sex at the same. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so poorly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok and you don't i'm sorry welcome to the big picture.

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we are going to break. well. we're never going to be safe. so you know. last year we brought you the story that so tell it was attacked by israeli forces as it was heading to the gaza strip deliver eight hour the details of that specific

attack remain contentious throughout much of the world looks like another flotilla is heading towards the region but israel and the united states are not wasting any time making very firm statements when it comes to the real purpose of these humanitarian aid ships for starters israel has come forward saying that any members of the press who actually cover the journey all day on this trip could be bad for the next ten years in the country. and their equipment will be confiscated or they're already mixed reports coming out today as to whether or not israel is actually going to hold on to that threat to the media but one thing is clear the u.s. is going to continue to stand behind israel when it comes to this conflict take a look at secretary of state hillary clinton's take on the news of a new flotilla about to embark. well we do not believe that the flotilla is a a necessary or useful effort to try to assist the people of gaza just this week the

israeli government approved a significant commitment to housing in gaza that there will be construction materials entering gaza and we think that it's it's not helpful for there to be flotillas that you know try to provoke actions by entering into israeli waters and creating a situation in which the israelis have the right to defend themselves. so although she tends to touch on the issue delicately pointed that's making a point to say that these flotillas are seen as more a political statement than anything else she then goes on to support israel's right to defend itself and we should also note a point decline greenwald from salon dot com highlights today the kind statement prove that the u.s. government is preemptively defending the possible violent attacks on the people who will be on this flotilla including american citizens and matter what your opinion

is on the flotilla as they head towards gaza with a helpless situation or if they hurt the situation it should make everybody pause when you hear statements from the u.s. government that it's a case where attacks on their own citizens just might be ok of course if you interpret it that way and hopefully there will be no beilenson this time around a photo is said to reach gaza sometime later this week and we're going to keep you updated with all the latest. all this saturday the half of his group also announced that after fifty days their crews have come to an end they be saying goodbye for we get into what that mean mean a let's take a little bit of time to walk through a quick timeline of their online presence and we did leave a few details out as a lot of they did but in terms of the attacks on the government and their affiliates here it is and early may they first came out of the same. they launched their twitter page and quickly demonstrated their skills by hacking the database for contestants on the talent show x factor on may thirtieth the group hacked into p.b.s.

his website after they were disappointed by the frontline documentary on wiki leaks they're even posted a link to a fake story declaring that he was still alive on the public news website and early june hackers stole passwords from infor guard a firm who works with the f.b.i. after they learned that the pentagon declared some cyber attacks as tools of war but on june thirteenth they went directly after the government this time the web site senate and all they didn't steal any information they did gain access to one of the main servers for that senate site and just days later they also went after the cia website however they did not steal any information from that site it was more of a denial of service attack and was probably more of an inconvenience and embarrassment than anything else now this is also around a time when those sixteen to start teaming up with another happiness organization anonymous june twenty first nineteen year old brian cleary was arrested in the u.k. on the allegations that he tied was tied to the group and however hackers took to

their twitter pages to say that clearly was not involved in their efforts and the f.b.i. also conducted a raid on a firm in located in virginia where they obtained a rack of servers that they deemed were suspicious and some people speculated that that raid may have also had to do with all security on june twenty fourth also went out for arizona in protest of their contentious immigration law as ten seventy eight the group have put states department of public safety and repose to e-mails passwords and other private information belonging to members of the department and then finally this past saturday also announced that they were acquitted but is this really be end of the have to this group or are they just assimilating themselves and the larger framework of the anti security operation with anonymous joining me to discuss. this from our studio in new york is john young the web master of crypto or john thank you so much for joining us tonight. for starters. some people out

there are just speculating that maybe lol psych hasn't actually quit and they were just doing this to get a little attention or from where locals get a lot of people what do you say. i think the question will not go away i think they will use different kinds of. operations to do what they do and that i think that they are just the tip of the iceberg i think there are thousands of people doing this activity but what they did not seek publicity. why add you know i think it's interesting that you say that is the most of these people do not seek publicity what do you make of the very public matter in which first anonymous and then also carry which i guess you could say even more conducted their hacking campaigns. well it's a better personal style to work in public and good to teach and others like to work quietly and this is true in the security field as well so the loudest melcher in the security field are not very good the best people keep it quiet this is true in military affairs told the spine so that people who get close to teachers are not

the best people so are you saying that perhaps a law saying is not the best. now you know. but your but they are quite good at getting publicity so they're. doing this for publicity indication and that's ok. quite a number of celebrated people do things like history teacher but most accomplished people did not she could teach or they could quite ok so that here in that case who is the best out there that perhaps we don't know about where are they working for the government you and i have spoken about this before the possibility of many hackers working as a informants or are they independent. i would call been defeated the best way to defend it they don't notice really it with government or with commerce or with institutions they keep it to themselves or they are available to to work with their situations like there's been instituted for typically inept incompetent incompetent . and that's why they that's why they need publishing the more money to press

releases and new technology. one of us wondering you know there was a lot of speculation that perhaps there was some infighting within the law security of course there are other groups of hackers that threatens to expose some of their names do you think that sometimes i mean they claim that there's only six and that is it easier sometimes to just become a part of a a larger loose collection people like anonymous rather than only having six people below security or you put yourself at more risk for exposure. well i'll just say that there never was that people come that there's a. small group there are so large group to see if we can live with different people and they state as people say on the news they do not send in any particular bill any predictable pattern. because they don't like to be traced that way and show that. they just moved on to a different nation. do you think if they got they may have gotten scared off

a little bit because of course brian cleary was arrested in the u.k. although they said that they were only loosely affiliated with him there were stories coming out that. the government was trying to create some sort of investigation to go after them and find them. so the government would have a hard time finding. a. very significant figure that putin. more than your dumber than they are they're actually comedians lewis in different forms. there are comedians i'm sure that like hearing that when you think of the way that the media really has upon the story i mean we hear on they want to show we've been covering anonymous we've covered all security since they first came onto the scene but then you even have you know the mainstream news organizations suddenly start reporting on them every single day. it's pretty shocking stuff.

it's kind of i carry it but there's very little information in most of the stories and maybe you're providing a reason this relation to stuff that's already been reported elsewhere ok sure you'll find someone who gets some people information. do you think that some people are are in fact concerned i've read a few critiques saying that the media has been kind to anonymous and to all security because they're simply just too scared to critique them because they themselves might get hacked do you think that hackers are somebody that should scare journalists. no as i think of journalists probably don't understand much of it is there but they're doing the best they can but i think it takes some technical skills that most journalists don't have to understand this stuff so they do it in a shallow way now i should say that readers prefer the shallow way too but eventually they'll be more and more people who have the skills of hackers and become an ordinary skilled just like no need to read but it's an egyptian a racial thing you know if you case for all things a lot of stuff is taking place outside of formal schools of education and these

young people are teaching themselves and they they do have some older people working with them but the best people are self-taught. but i was curious to our how far do you think the government might go if we do indeed keep seeing more of these hacks in terms of trying to crack down to go after them do you think of actually have any idea what they're doing. i think you ought to publish a campaign right now to to inflate the threat they're actually seeking greater funding for cyber warfare several initiatives going on around the world for this and i think that they will but only the threat but the general accounting office the other day reported that most of the g.o.p. didn't show up until the inept about these matters but they're good publicity it's our job i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight and of course we'll have to wait and see if laws like really is done and whether as a charity operation an anon do you keep leading the charge so thanks so much. well stories of impending disaster usually capture the hearts and minds of both the

media and the american people here with this story we haven't really seen your typical amount of coverage his state of nebraska is dealing with major floods and fears are now as collating after rising waters have breached the protective a temporary berm for the fort calhoun nuclear facility. as far as the. tourist. we can we. show you the story. we're told. now all officials say that there is no potential threat to the public the floodwaters have forced the facility to shut down and stop producing electricity meanwhile wildfires are to blame for a shutdown at the los alamos facility in new mexico all of the fire there is currently a mile away fishbowls there say the plan has been closed to the public and all radioactive material is accounted for on the labs web site says l.a. and els emergency operations center remains operational observation aircraft are

currently conducting aerial surveys to gauge the fires growth and current size overnight as a precaution the last natural gas and technical areas in l.a. and remote southwest area all hazardous and radioactive materials remain accounted for and are appropriately protected as are key lab facilities such as proton accelerator and supercomputing centers although both of these facility facilities emphasize safety under the threat of natural disasters memories of plant japan are still pretty fresh in people's minds when the earthquake and super facility the government failed to tell the public about the real health threats now causing a lot of people to question that although america hasn't yet faced a record breaking earthquake a lot of people here in the u.s. are also questioning how safe these nuclear facilities in new mexico and brass there really are and why we aren't hearing more about it so well word finally get out years later that people living near this missile. in our fact in danger only

time is going to tell but one thing is for sure skepticism is. also to come tonight our monday edition of if you said it i read it from respond to some of your comments about the show online and then talks over raising the debt ceiling are heating up again can the white house and congress we can deal for august when for that topic and more with dean baker co-director of the center for economic and policy research in just a minute. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and here's some other part of it and realize that everything is sort of. a trump card is a big. deal . yet.