well still to come tonight our monday edition of if you said it i read it first donna some of your comments about the show on life and then talks over raising the debt ceiling are heating up again can the white house and congress ring to deal for august when it come to that topic and more with dean baker co-director of the center for economic and policy research in just a moment. seven

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the alone a show from our washington studio stay with us. ok it's time for you said it right take a little time to respond to my brilliance in engaging viewer comments from facebook twitter and you too and you've got some to say i do listen i first want to respond to a viewer comments from our story on the new smartphone app which would allow you to record police officers there cox said on you tube why do people feel such a need to record cops why can't people mind their own business i have to say here i think this commenter kind of misses the point recording police isn't about minding our own business or even getting into anyone else's it's not safeguarding our rights holding those in positions of power accountable if it's the police's role to

keep us safe by routinely invading our privacy but it's up to us to make sure they're doing that in a proper and legal manner and haricots people feel the need to record jobs because they do routinely and i mean very often abuse their power so all police might have the guns the people of the cameras and they should be able to use them and i want to respond to a comment in our story about david petraeus is testimony on the use of torture and special exceptions or should quote reopen the dialogue but make be said on you tube paper trail as matthew alexander is a professional interrogator who used non-coercive interrogation methods to gain information that helped capture some high ranking members of al qaeda in afghanistan he also gave a very strong argument for why not only torture does not work but it is in fact destructive to reliable intelligence why don't you start listening to actual interrogators instead of jack bauer what we're going to say they're a greet i think of discussed david petraeus would bring up this hypothetical

ticking time bomb scenario when it's been proven time and time again that it isn't about the time it's about the information when you torture and more than likely to get bad information here. read end of story now we've interviewed matthew alexander here on the show before and i agree with ben there are leaders that would do much better listening to him and jack bauer and all the producers of twenty four now finally in response to my claim that i was perhaps a computer created pundit just like the japanese pop star that was exposed as such the slave keyboard is said on you tube your joke will probably backfire a lot of people will think that your computer generated the general masses of people are pretty stupid and you know what my viewers are not the general masses they know i'm real or at least they think they do but have more responses for you next week. well president obama has stepped into the deficit debate last thursday john boehner eric counter they just walked out on a weeks of negotiations led by vice president joe biden saying that tax cuts are

one hundred percent off the table so today the president hosted harry reid and mitch mcconnell the white house in separate meetings and the deadline to raise the country's debt limit is now only a little more than a month away so can the president lead the way going to get them to come to an agreement and maybe put a few of those tax cuts on the table or does it really not even matter at the end of the day have the american people the american workers already lost the battle to the rich and the corporate here to discuss this with me is dean baker co-director of the center for economic and policy research thanks so much for being here and i think it's actually i think you meant tax increases being on the table is that nobody said tax cuts or tax cuts excuse me excuse me increases of course thank you for correcting me. first of all what was your reaction last thursday when after weeks of these supposed negotiations that have been going on suddenly boehner and cantor decided just to walk away you know this is theater i mean they're feeling to their base have been running around saying no new taxes ever so they have to show yes we walked out we want property taxes now at the end of the day are they going

to come back or is mcconnell going to have a deal that has some tax increases if they have a deal it will have some tax increases or maybe they're going to pass it off to mcconnell and then the come back with their arms twisted and go ok we'll do it the other alternative is there is no deal we get you know august second or thereabouts timid secretary geithner says you know look we have payments coming up in two days three days no money in the bank i can't make them and then you see huge panic on wall street jamie dimon from j.p. morgan and lloyd blankfein from goldman sachs start calling the painter and mcconnell and saying you guys get your troops out there and you fix this and they're going to do it so it's going to be one of the other will see it see what they're going to feel like it's going to be the second object or the latter of the two because we know how many of the people out there in the republican. eddie actually want to us to default on our debt i feel like this is just something that's being sad to pretend like they're really catering to some things voters but really it's only a few of the tea partiers out there all the republicans who are in bed with

business are going to listen to those calls from wall street i think that's what they're going to bury wall street i mean that's the thing you know it's going to be a bad story if we're going to fault i mean i've been through it's a few times people are saying it became for clear i'm not advocating the fall but the point is the frontline the shock troops are j.p. morgan goldman sachs citi group they're going to be gone we're still going to be here we're going to be through some real tough time to still be here wall street will be dead they're not going to let that happen but i'm wondering if something has happened in america where we've gotten to the point where wall street will never really be dead or you could say that it's the american worker that at this point is that you know michael leaders are going to say that the americans have just become obsolete and we can talk about this in terms of taxes in terms of corporations and global globalization corporations going elsewhere to find workers and let's face it i just don't think that anyone's ever going to do anything to really hurt wall street they can go on without us and flourish without us if we default they will be hurt but but the point here is that that's i don't think it's

going to how do you want her to own half and that's exactly right but what's really unfortunate for the simple american people it's a huge distraction we should be talking about getting the economy going again about creating jobs to twenty five million people unemployed underemployed left the workforce all together this should be problem number one i mean this is this huge mess that we're just ignoring instead we having these people running around like chickens with their heads cut off talking about the deficit the deficit the debt that's nonsense the problem is that we have an economy with a massive amount of unemployment and underemployment so what do we do about it well we have to figure figure out a way to get the public the workers back in the ballgame and say look the problem is unemployment don't give us the stuff about the debt and deficit that's nonsense that the financial markets are willing to buy our debt this is really funny because we have all these. people who are saying they're experts in financial markets and everything financial markets are saying they're willing to buy a long term u.s. treasury bonds at three percent interest that's incredibly low they're obviously worried that we can't pay our bills barring you know this crazy default stuff so we

have to say the priority is creating jobs we know how to do that you spend money it's not hard people work for money that's how you do it but then how do we get republicans to stop with those tax cuts are completely off the table scenario in the logic which i think most americans tax increases excuse me that sounds good to most of them right nobody wants tax increases nobody wants tax taxes to be raised and they really do think that companies are going to start hiring if you look at it nobody's hiring right now they've been holding on to the money they're all keeping billions of dollars in the offshore accounts and it's is really scaring the american worker well the problem is the media's been playing along with this so they all do this he said she said no the idea that somehow corporations won't be hiring if they had to pay higher taxes or because the current tax rates come on these people live in the ninety's it wasn't that long ago we were creating three million jobs a year in taxes were higher than they are today i mean this is just told all nonsense for anyone to bother to look at but the media feel no obligation do no

matter how crazy whatever the republicans is they go that's one side and then they go to to president obama that's the other side jobs are even left out of the picture i think that's interesting the imagine that you because obama had a council on jobs and competitiveness in new york and robert wolf president said that the media has been painting a bleaker picture of the economy than we really have so now suddenly it's the media's fault for telling people that maybe things aren't perfect maybe this is the view from from bankers we know the economy very well we're creating almost no jobs i mean we should be creating jobs at the rate three or four hundred thousand a month i mean we saw that in prior recoveries from deep recessions the economy i mean you and the millions of people that do not have jobs that should be. front and center in the media every day because that's an absolute disaster it's sort of like if we had cancer and then said we're talking about yellow cutting your finger i mean that's what the deficit is the cancer is the massive unemployment do you think

of the media does a good job of at least talking about jobs and i don't think they even do a good job of talking about that but so that's what i mean is i don't believe for those who are who really runs the show here right it's the people that are on the president's council on jobs and competitiveness that are painting the picture and trying to tell everyone that it's all ok and the media is over exaggerating it and that americans are doing just fine you know well that's a joke and you know unfortunately media reporting has been you know almost a joke in many cases and you know unfortunately people have to look outside i mean there are some good reporters you know the mainstream media you know i know many of them some of them mention new york times is generally better reporting than elsewhere but you know people have to do their own homework look for other sources and you know most people know the economy's bad they don't need someone to tell them that they know that they don't have their family some of their family does have a job but how you turn it around how you make it things better that's a much much harder task how do you feel about the fact that even wall street is now coming up on some big layoffs at least for wall street because everyone always thinks that this is the this is the part of the economy that bounce back very

quickly wall street is untouchable now goldman sachs is about to layoff a thousand people and and just hire those people or excuse me or hire their replacements in singapore i think it's great news i mean we need the financial sector to be more efficient and we have extra people employed there it's ways to mean there is some truth when they say ok we downsize this factory that it did make it more efficient if you could do if you have other work for those people do wonderful in this case fine you know if goldman sachs could do all the trading they'd need to do and they could do with a thousand fewer people phantom that is their efficiency part of the problem is now i know we can always airlines are not always heard you know it's bad policy we can always find things for people to do if we can find things for people do that shorten the work week how do you find things for people to do though in a world that is so globalized you can find cheaper labor in other countries where you could argue that it's become so. mechanize know where the value of the dollar will be cheaper and who heard so who heard that when the value of the dollar well you get retailers like wal-mart will be unhappy because they have established supply lines to try and wall street will be unhappy because their dollars don't go

as far as shown in other countries so they'll be so but mostly country it usually benefits now very quickly just what i'm wondering if we go back to these deficit talks right now shouldn't the president also know that he should be focusing on jobs why is he stepping in and deciding to take charge and to lead the way well he's helped create this theater i mean he should have from the beginning said he got the stimulus package was good he sure said we know it's no not his advisors told him that we're going to have to come back and get more instead the whole debate to be shifted to the deficit so he knows better but this is the charade that disappointing as it was going to have to come out with some specifics and some members of he's the one who's involved well i'm sure the house specific numbers and i'm sure we will see some specific numbers come out i just wonder i feel like everyone else has been a little too scared even we are in that direction we just keep hearing that there are negotiations going on that they're going to they were having numbers in the negotiations will see the numbers one when they have a deal no one ever wants to publicize it right we'll see when they have

a deal if they come up with the idea or if like you said it's going to come down to the wire there thanks so much for joining us tonight they serve you. well still to come tonight he's been married three times and a candidate for president says that he wants to defend marriage and york approves marriage and the equality for gays in that thanks to all time segments and ahead of happy hour news chris wallace is under fire for calling a presidential candidate a flake plus the t.s.a. is under fire again after a ninety five year old cancer patient was forced to remove her adult diaper during a strange.

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our design for tonight's tools i'm award and it goes to newt gingrich say the g.o.p. presidential candidate who has a very long good chance of winning the nomination is still making an ass out of himself on the campaign trail knew it was asked about new york lawmakers voting friday night to give gay couples marriage equality a new set of the u.s. is quote drifting towards a terrible model by not limiting marriage to members of the opposite sex such words of wisdom from the man he's a married three times and he went on to say i believe their marriage is between a man and a woman i think that's what marriage ought to be and i would like to find ways to defend that view as legitimately and as effectively as possible the. that new believes that marriage is between one man and one woman now lester knew he believes marriage is between one man and one woman followed by a different woman and then

a third woman ok so you've been living under a rock newt's tied the knot three times so gingrich's first marriage was to jackie valley back in one thousand nine hundred eighty two she was his former high school geometry teacher and seven years older than him in the spring of one nine hundred eighty eight gingrich left badly after having an affair with marianne cantor and then months after his first divorce he married mariette but that marriage didn't last long either in fact in the mid ninety's he had an affair with calista basic who is now his wife and she was twenty three years his junior and a staffer for the house of representatives now calista is the wife who's been getting all this bad press for allegedly causing most of his campaign staff to resign because of her demands i know newt's love life is confusing and as more sex and lies than racy primetime so now earlier this year newt had to address his cheating ways and hope of winning over other conservatives and here's what he had to say. there's no question in the times of my life partially driven by.

passionately i felt about this country. that i work for too hard and the things happen in my life that were not appropriate. do you get that new cheated because he loved his country so much that is still one of the best and there is a politician has ever tried to use an excuse but here's my two cents on it i don't really care how many times newt's been married he is free to marry anyone that he wants and as many people as he wants and gay people should be allowed to do the exact same thing with a divorce rate over fifty percent in the us straight couples aren't doing so well at marriage why not let gay couples give it a try is that of protesting gay marriage and trying to pass laws banning it how about we start protesting something like war just an idea for a stupid comments on gay marriage we are giving it tonight's tool time award to newt gingrich for again being on the wrong side of history.

ok it's time for half the hour on this monday evening and joining me tonight is derek thompson senior editor at the atlantic and archie correspondent christine freeze out thanks for joining me guys first starters what do you think about the fact that gay marriage is finally legal in the state of new york i think it's about damn time i think it's actually wonderful and it's too bad that there's no state west of new york besides i wear that it has the same look don't remind me i'm very i'm from california and i'm ashamed of my home state of california i think california will be next i think it's really exciting and i think just with the republicans who kind of got on board with this i think we're seeing a shift in what's going to be acceptable to have as a view on this issue where there was research coming out of california that showed that gay marriage actually good for the economy marriage is an eight billion eighty billion dollar industry in this country with three million ceremonies in. here even if gay marriage is bad for the economy to still be good news coming out if you are going to try to cash cash in. your game reporter in california when it was legal

remember it was legal for three or four seven months or something. and i did tons of economic stories of all the hotels that got booked and all the wedding planners and the restaurants and things got really deathly was just. i just think you know i think for people like us from our generation this is really it's such a non issue i mean it's very important civil rights issue in the sense that we all think that everybody should be able to to to marry if they love somebody no matter what their sex is but i just can't get over the fact that it's still such a big deal for for older americans and i really do think they're on the wrong side of history at this point think that hopefully one day i'll be able to look back and laugh or think it was crazy about the fact that it even took so long which has a habit of being correct about all sorts of social issues has an article of kids in the year twenty eight looking back and saying how in god's name did it take so long for grandparents to legalize gay marriage i mean i really do kind of like you either lied about civil rights and i don't care and grandparents and i didn't

exactly that kind of issue i think we're going to look back to be sort of ashamed at the fact that it took this long to finally do it also we were saying that maryland is next but the thing i wonder about california is you know it's not like there was the lawmakers the decided this was a referendum this was a ballot and i think the ballot measure excuse me i think that a lot of times that that's why nothing happens because we saw the mormon church in california lobbying very actively spending millions of dollars against it do you think that if it was up to elected officials crazier from california to that they would actually just voted for it i think that just because again i was i was working there at the time i think that the wording was very confusing people that felt like they were for marriage rights for everybody had to vote no because they were voting no against the ban so i think that and there was a lot of you know not getting along on gay rights advocates in california in terms of getting this done the right way. but they thought that they had it in the bag in the beginning and then realized towards the very end oh my gosh we could lose this which they did in fact lose it i think it was bad campaigning i think that if it

came around for a vote another time that it would pass. but you're right is there is a difference between lawmakers deciding and voters deciding all right let's move on to something it's not as happy this story just really makes me sad when you've all heard of the granny at the t.s.a. we have a news clip that all explain it more for you. before the woman says security agents answer ninety five year old mother who was in a wheelchair to remove her diaper so they could complete a full search that happened at the northwest florida regional airport last weekend . she's ninety five she has leukemia apparently had soiled her diaper and didn't have any extra thing about this story is just so bad and you know you have to strike a balance between freedom and security right and i think that once you start taking the diapers off ninety five year old women you sort of you've lost the war the war is about preserving freedom is the worst ever serving america if there is kiddy can

get ninety five year old grandmothers just smuggle utensils on the plane some look . will lose that small battle there's a bigger battle to fight when i used to travel a lot and i would take off my shoes and take off my belt and you know basically strip down just to go through security i always used to say some of it is laughing right now because you know this is one way in which he won't let americans now basically have to strip down just in order to travel of some of the law and of course no longer with us but i think this is another thing that those who are against this country and against our freedom this is a victory for them to see these kind of things happen it is i just saw this and i was just this is so sad it disturbing and i mean we've obviously seen a lot of these we do the t.s.a. the don't touch my junk stories and some of them are actually a little funny like the baby that had to be gross would you think is absolutely ludicrous and stupid but this is just sad and i agree this is this when you think that we're. as soon as the nation has a smuggle a bomb in their grandmother's diaper that's when everything changes i mean the fact

is it's not going to happen is exactly the point that no ninety five year old grandmother is going to have a bomb in her diaper i mean this is one of those things where i think we should let it go because the fact that yes they probably did this is going to create a backlash that might keep them from doing things that are somewhat reason they're defending and they are all. with their actions on this and let's move on to something else the supreme court ruled that california's ban on selling violent video games to minors was actually unconstitutional and they overturned it and we talk about violent video games it's usually stuff where there's a lot of blood a lot of sex involved here's a little example for you. that it wasn't even really about blood it is. not but what do you think if you just mr wright said look this isn't literature but it's also not pornography and it's not

pornography it's not obscenity then there is no there's no reason for us to allow the state to prohibit people from from buying it i always side with the supreme court when it comes to the first amendment and more protection rather than less i think this is one of those laws that it just once again favors families with parents who are actually involved in their children's lives they will not be affected by this because they sort of have more of involvement in what their children buy at the store they go with their children to the store you know when there's these kids which there of which there are many in this country who their parents aren't around to see what they're buying and see what they're getting at the store that's when they're going to come home and find their kids playing video game what the effects of that are again that's not a big debate whether there's any scientific evidence or not which the supreme court said that there was an ok this last one here for starters chris wallace has not been having a good couple of weeks right first. jon stewart just demolished and made a complete idiot because he actually watch south park to prepare for the interview

against a comedy central host and then of course you have michele bachmann who is now a g.o.p. presidential candidate on and he asked her this question it's now getting a lot of flack. but you will see like. well i think that would be insulting to say something like that because i'm a serious person but do you recognize that now that you're in the spotlight in a way that you weren't before that you have to be careful and not say what some regard as like the things i asked her about her history of controversial comments some would say gaffes and i found myself saying at the end are you which is a comment that some people make about or. she seemed to be a little perturbed but. now the really frustrating thing about this is you want to say god chris wallace is just such a jerk and would do that to anybody else you know that whatever you can call it sexist he's not going to call herman cain a flake and it's still a bad statement but then regarding michele bachmann's gaffes let's just show you one last little clip of what she said today but what i want to know is this like

john wayne is from waterloo iowa that's the kind of spirit that i have to. john wayne gacy a serial killer is from there but she has the same spirit as the many thoughts closing thoughts you're going to if you're going to get met on television about someone calling you a flake you've got to back it up and you can back it up she made a gaffe immediately within x. twelve hours so unfortunately chris wallace had a good question but why does nobody gaffe make you a flake i think chris wallace should not have apologized he says he messed up because so many viewers wrote in and told him she shouldn't have asked that he doesn't really feel bad because she gave a good answer but you know i apologize here i'm going to go to a bar gys like everyone else that you were lied to when he was reporting on fox thank you guys that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in make sure you come back tomorrow coming up next is adam vs the man.

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