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the color yellow welcome to spotlight the infamous shout out to child calvin already today my guest on the show is about one ziad the. former looks are processed in syria have left over a thousand people dead their rights are the biggest challenge for the asaad family they have been ruling the country for forty years but today inspired by the revolutions in tunisia and egypt syrians want to oust president bashar assad. what's the most probable scenario for the syrian crisis here's the executive director of the syrian center of the political and strategic studies about grant ziad. trying to hold on to power president assad is introducing some political and economic reforms. the election process and local governments by corruption and give

more freedom to the media the protesters have little faith in this rhetoric say just nice words with no real meaning behind them the syrian ministry of defense has imposed serious restrictions on communications and introduced a complete ban internet access in some areas of the country. i'd like to welcome to the show thank you for having me thank you for coming to us i mean. in this your first of all i wanted to i want to check what people especially when the when they publish interviews with you or your articles or the press they label you as an after the surely one of the one of the members of the opposition so so you do you do you do you agree that there do you position yourself as an opposition with a true yes i have been active in the opposition since two thousand actually i mean ice cube layers in the damascus brain spring it is this is period after the. former

president half of that i said we're actually when bashar i said kim into what i said succeed his father that is it is it was if you will months when he'll pop in. and there was he called a house some opposite but it got openings and allowed for some activist actually to write because sheehan's and thought to form some forms to ask for political change i was an activist that period and i found with other activists the syrian human rights organization i've been active as a human rights activist since i left syria in october two thousand and seven and later on the syrian government issued. a travel ban and it should worry. arrest warrant against me in or in february two thousand and eight what was the reason why did you leave syria it. accept to be a senior figure acuity it would be nice if i became professor visiting professor at harvard university an hour to yours washington university. the syrian opposition

very subtle national council their. national council and the eighteen is to continue the fight against the regime they claim to represent i quote all communities and all representative of national political forces inside and outside syria and quote well is there any way that the. oppositional leaders today can communicate with ordinary peoples of course now this is a sure unforeseen cleaving that the syrian opposition even that they don't don't have right now and an united leadership but at least they have unified it into now all the syrians inside and syrian opposition inside and now there are certain their country they have seen this emerge into the the door the consensus among them actually they will not accept there is any kind of ya know good question i said

since actually he's responsible of the death of more than fifteen hundred and he had been beaten more than fifteen thousand in their country and god saw that this is why they. agree that the uprising in syria is a cross their sects it's a christian have been called i know it had been killed and this is why this is uprising. key it is such kind of a moment among the syrian this is because this spirit of unity among the syrians what are the morons of the syrian opposition we they want to overthrow us this is and this to but what else would specific things do the demand for the country for the people but as soon as we need actually to move from under the title should regime to be a democratic country c.d.n. to fifty's has a long tradition of a democracy can institutions in one thousand nine hundred fifty four for four hours

free and fair elections are the time we have the march to progress of constitution with a give their ideal meant to avoid and to participate in their earlier there was a little more of this. that was in the thirty's but you know this work once wrote that the. only country any people deserves its government so if you moved from. mark receive you have a progressive constitution to or through syrian regime you have now don't you think that the this is what the people really need to know i learned this actually that this symbol i answer the uprising right now why there be one of the voting here lives at risk even that even that they know that they've been faced by laffey munition but every day every day you will see their courage people the kurds as you would they go to street who brought this don't especially i said it would be every

day they are asking to art set off by shot i said and and i have been accountable in front of the international courts then who would use playing this shift the two plays for nearly fifty years from a democracy to an. attack recy when when syria has a democracy and it is usually the part of barky came all that and take their power in nine hundred sixty three and since nine hundred sixty three there is no free and fair elections we have one man agai. barky according to the constitution in article eight the bath party is the leader and in this state under society and this is actually destroying all the traditions that they see and hard in the fifty's regarding that it short of democratic period and this is why we need to board our democracy again and and this is the main point for this syrians we need a democratic system transparency we need accountability and we need the right for

the people to true their president and through their government and this is why none none of this syria will accept less than that we need a higher price we did fifteen hundred and we are number much higher and this is why our will not accept less than having a democratic system will stick a look at the situation in syria now in a report by spotlights you learn the similar. when the storm revolutions work through the arab world the beginning of the year so you really begin to feel the ripples march it had turned into a full scale are praising president bashar al assad fired his cabinet meets we did emergency power was more and more inched constitutional reform how were the only months he decided honestly view crack down on the police that stop the violence against the opposition firmly june syrian human rights organizations estimated some

thirteen hundred people have been killed and more than ten thousand arrested. in their own wrist refugees have been crossing the border into turkey and more than twelve thousand syrians are housed all seeking shelter in turkish refugee camps in early june president assad announced the genial our ministry for political prisoners however his concessions have made it pleased the opposition nor stop the e.u. and the us from uncle's insane sions some experts speculate syria may fall into a virtual civil war. or do you think that there are very serious scenarios can follow the example of libya as we've just heard the well i mean well they've been the generating into into a full scale civil war look syria it's a different than any bia the civil relation in seeking syria it's to twenty told me

on elo bet any be it five million and syria has now history of civil war syria actually in one thousand back in the fifty's their prime minister was as actually christian and been supported even that at that time there were four members in the muslim brotherhood and they supported christan to be prime minister syria has such kind of federation and still we're at i mean there's him which they're out of there. and it will be respected and they are the unity among their people and this is their main concern that even though there is this you know regime now being on this experience violence and you playing on that to stand lower and to survive but but actually we believe that their wisdom of this unions who are actually taking the arrives at risk who are at least will it will challenge the series and will it will we as a right of the people we would have you know the end do you think the president has to do he still does of junoon support local population you know they are brushing

started in there are so boys guy it's not like it has no history in the area andres like in the kurdish areas or like hama in india we are actually his father actually more of the whole city and killed at least twenty thousand started in this sandstone city of daraa where actually many politicians among them the fighter president and others who are from there are disappear sense got so bored of this unity she is very narrow and there is not a chance for bush and i said to stay involved or what's what will we believe that right now that the international community should help us now that accord no question that with bashar said we'll follow the end but the time i go the time and the courts and this is the question so you think that she's due really of course yes he himself has he himself understand it does versions of no there there goes his days are counted i mean there's an office this is an unfortunate that from his last speech give you a sense that he he understood of the you know i he said that for the first time he

discovered that how much this you know he was enough and this is state of the united and this is why we really concern about this situation our country because that we have perhaps seen such kind of things you know i was there for even that see here and bush and i said this here he blamed the consul brain c. he blamed. the other countries who blame me a whole bit being too clear in the. and they saw nobody believe and act on syria and now we see that their victory is our cross daughters. says god the violence yabby be executive director of the syrian center for political and strategic studies spotlight will be back shortly after we take a break so stay with us. i

was just thinking about my future before the foreign companies came i dreamed of owning a can cabin factory. but we have less garbage now. some businesses who come here make fun of me. picking up garbage boy i'm not bad like people think. i'm a good person. it's just the people don't see me. but i feel it was time people like me as. them on. that i feel people will start to appreciate us.

to. walk about the spotlight i'm algerian arvin just a reminder that my guest on the show today is the other man ziad to be the executive director of the syrian center for political and strategic studies we're talking about the the situation in your own country. the uprising is going on but you mentioned that the president bashar assad is in a state of denial he did nominees that his days in office are counted and he still has two tries to stick to power well syria's deputy foreign minister mr feist

died he claims that i quote the killing was initiated by extremist religious groups that are financed from outside syria and the unrest. is is is comes from the same place and these groups do not want to achieve reform in syria only quote is any foreign government involved in today's uprising in syria can you confirm that your quit has been now three months and this syrian state media beating is really the killings actually done by the armed gangs nobody you know who are actually behind these armed gangs or who is who are these armed gangs and why these on gangs if they don't show are born in a city they haue practiced why did it not show up in this city they don't have brought this like any people and this is why it it it is if this year in government

do we leave on die why will not ask in the country for the international media to have an access wise or kicked out or thirty porkers question asked. often is do that islamists police any role in the wrist or not at all not at all if if there is damage they they have it on should the uprising started from hama and the other isaac started from that are look this is this sort of illusion of illusion for dignity and freedom exactly like tunisia it is we have popular this organized program of advertising it had unity less and leaderless this is why quite difficult . for this series you took it out down the whole movement because if there is the eris the leaders in next year will be emirs other leaders and this is why there is no chance for that he is this year to succeed to cram down the whole movement it's a clear right now it's that the syrians will we will discover the air their voice

and the discover of thier power for our will not that will not accept less than what the attorney general in egypt in achieved. tricky is the powerful need rule with extensive economic ties with syria and. the news that. officials in four of the worst three nations that ankara is ready to launch a military operation against us or do you think this will happen no no i don't think so on are the syrian opposition inside and outside their country against any military operation on syria we do believe that this syrian they are able to throw a ball by shall i said in their hands what we need from their financial community. much more support in political support speciating in the security council and fortunately after after eleven days the security council acted very quickly and

down there is illusion one hundred seventy one of their feet now in syria it has been thirteen weeks and the security council is still silent is cannot even that plug out we can do initial resolution this is why our visit to moscow and she to address some of their of their concerns of their russian of their action off the shelves and your solution it can be through their military intervention we are that is their concern that none of this here an opposition inside and outside the country with military intervention but we need for that for this security council to our very quickly because actually the site of the security council. they're angry message to the syrian government no so when you talking and girlz international support you know sort of talking about you know talking about guns and weapons you're only talking about polar political support united nations resolutions but listen. leaders are leaders that are afraid to be overthrown

never listened to u.n. resolutions anything over help so well why do you need this was allegedly you know as it is the listener has a oh we've got the u.n. resolution so. i'm stepping down but one hour from now i don't think sure that this is this situation is here now this is to asia under very severe economic crisis it is if their security council adopted a solution to war sanctions on bashar i said and other security officers who are she opened their fire on the protesters this is will make this situation much more harder for that said family to survive in bar this is why it is involved and for the international community to war to talk to have one united voice against the killing of this syrian people and this is the army there on the scene that then that if the family will understand there is no more there is no chance for them to stand power and the most important thing we need the turkey and russia of course

the countries they have some leverage on the syrian army we do we that this year an army is a professional one is not likely via but also is not like egypt is something between this is why if russia and turkey u.t.s. leverage to their syrian army and encourage this year an army to break through with this series you had this is. their status this is will be the end of the any seven in their country human chins you motion mentioned russia and turkey will turkey is hinting within me start a military operation against us russian prime minister vladimir putin recently rejected the possibility of. foreign intervention in syria world russia is in general pretty cautious of the rooms in syria in the you think this is because the total use the naval base that russia is afraid to lose do you think that if assad's regime will fall this will mean for russia. the loss of

a pardon and the loss of a naval base now it's it on board and for russia to understand. on this side in the right his side of history we don't want actually there a set of flags to be burned in damascus the marshes of boston to be friendly sequin of the russian of flux and this is why there are government has to understand this message actually this is why we came here for four things start for the russian officials first of all that we have a shared invitations why then mr margelov and other russian officials and this is actually it's a good beginning to to have a channel with this year in opposition and the we we need to oversize about the historical relationship between syria and russia syria has a large community in russia and russia has a large community in the mile in syria and this is kind of relationship we need to steer and we it has to continue because actually this is the build the relationship

between top a lot of tunisians then the second issue are actually that is their concern any any regime after i said after i said out of the four of i said that he actually will continue with their foreign policy toward toward russia russia it's actually a powerful country and we need to have a good relationship with russia since actually our. historical relationship and it still thing russia task on syria about military intervention we actually we have the same concern about that and the last thing that if that russia could help us actually in our. cause for democracy and human rights this year and we will have to share that russian and now they're here and we want to actually it is in there. and this is why we are for this unity and the way of all of the russian a flood when you you you mentioned influence on me how important this is what

actually. see the protesters in the in syria are opposed by predominantly how weak units are and the are. taking orders from the prisoners brother so is there a possibility there of the wrist style of the army other than d.v.l.a. lead units will be will be supporting the uprising like you haven't been tunisia or at least staying neutral like for example in the let's add something of are there actually actually the statements of the prisoners in viva and their prime minister mr putin to us but very powerful message to this eerie scene that russia has no special interest in in syria rather than they condemning actually the virus done by by and by the syrian government otherwise they guarding the army which which it's important that the syrian army as i told you before it's a professional one it's and this is why when and when it when russia and turkey use

its leverage to and carry the army this syrian army is made by the people every syrian has to say of the army in two years i see of the army and our our my brothers and others seven there are only two years and this is why the syrian army made by the board just to mention one piece to many of them it international there are actually this all does he actually as you know from data is born and raised in daraa and this you know in our this you know army leadership sent him actually to serve in harris there and they give and instructions to open the fire on the protesters and the people in harris there started. chanting going to syria to a t. of daraa his hometown this is why he was in china in china and himself how can i open fire on the people actually they are calling consider that if you mind my hometown don and this is why the dilemma i won't call the soldiers and i was the

officers in this syrian army it's that they see an army it's only the whole division which is the most loyal one to bashar and i said this for division and not so good vision off my head and i said the brother of bashar i said make it making this huge and on and invading it many cities and whining this it is but other other other divisions and unit is in the army is not supportive of that said and now there is a lot of the friction among the army so we're not talking about internet confessionals one sensitive now and no this is it's a it is not that he is making here who needs the allawi it doesn't matter as i told you that this uprising crossed that yes ok thank you thank you very much and just a reminder that my guest here on the show was rather blunt ziad the the executive director of the syrian center for political and strategic studies and that's it for now from all of a few hundred years in this part might or if you have someone in mind who you think

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