back in the lone shell we'll get the real headlines with none of them are safe for live in washington d.c. now tonight we'll speak with matt welch and nick gillespie about their new book the declaration of independence how libertarian politics can save america we're going to update on the case of the newburgh four who received their sentencing today and we'll speak with an aspiring from the young turks about a new trend that affects women but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to miss.

sarah palin has managed to make her way into the headlines again and this time because somebody else decided to make a movie about her because the media then used that movie as an excuse to follow her every single move and once again skip over anything that actually matters in this world sarah paling brought her brand of celebrity to movie premier attended by about three hundred it is a wonderful story about american values and the reception you're getting married oh no it's not a war literally otherwise oh nice thank you poppy how would you know like. that of course is the million dollar question is she going to. know answers to that here are just a lot of speculation and. now you know what i'd really love about this is you'll see pundits anchors or hosts on the cable networks all talk about how sarah palin is such a huge distraction it's just so unfair that the real presidential candidates out

there have their stars been such a money grubbing media whore ok maybe they don't use those exact words but i will anyway the point is that it's the weakest and lamest excuse for analysis that i've ever seen here's an idea you don't have to cover her if you don't. i want to and then you can focus on those other supposedly real candidates and i know i know it's really some groundbreaking logic that i was throwing up on you so i'll give you a little time to sink in but when you wake up from your sarah palin what three let's remember that there's that whole economic crisis in this country there's a recession high unemployment a demolished housing market out the fact that we are out of money but i know that talking about our impending economic doom just isn't all that much fun so how about we pick an area to start cutting right i can't be that hard to big just want. the thing is i've got the perfect starting point it's called defense you know we hear a lot of figures thrown out about our wars in iraq and afghanistan i think it's

costing us a million dollars per soldier per year in afghanistan we've heard the one trillion dollar number thrown around as the total cost of both wars but guess what it is much much more than that new research project from brown university about the costs of war i found that we've already spent two point three to two point seven trillion dollars of the final bill although honestly i don't even know how you calculate a final at this point seeing as both or seem to be never ending that's going to run to be at least a three point seven trillion and could reach as high as four point four trillion and the truth is considering our military is now hoping that iraq will ask us to stay past the withdrawal deadline and we're making plans for permanent bases in afghanistan i think it's going to be a lot more now and then how else could we forget we already can't afford these wars so they're being financed by deficit spending so when you factor in all the interest there's an extra about trillion that hasn't even been tacked on i'd say but that's a problem and i'd say that that's a good place to start cutting down the main stream media would rather focus on

sarah pailin semantic the fake debate on capitol hill and he said she said the gets us nowhere meanwhile the costs of wars how they attribute to our current situation something they choose to miss. a we often hear the term that washington is broken but our entire political system is in fact broken we've only got two parties to choose from with with each passing day always seem to look more like yet from the politicians talking points that we hear the sound bites that are played on the news the pundits the crowd the airwaves they'll try to convince you that the country has never been so old rights and that that's the true problem why nothing you're either a democrat or you're republican and there is no in between and that's why all legislation and meaningful reform get stalled but that excuse might not work for much longer if you party system represents fewer and fewer americans the truth is

the independents are. when there. but my guests tonight are reaching out to you telling them that it's time to mobilize their book they describe someone who right be an independent someone has an unfavorable opinion of congress you don't think too kindly about bailing out wall street and card companies or letting big pharma write the new healthcare law or having the f.c.c. regulate the internet but they write that sort of thing keeps happening all the time so why is that let's get them to answer that question joining me to discuss this are and there's nick the last bieber reason t.v. and reason dot com and that well it's for a reason magazine they're both authors of the book that deliberation of independents how libertarian politics can fix what's wrong with america gentlemen thank you for coming on tonight saying i don't have both of you know you don't just come one of the time so you wrote a book together i don't care is the way to find out how that i mean it is without tearing your head but what you call this is a manifesto what are you trying to declare here it's an empty political political manifesto our whole world view is predicated on the idea that life is too important

to spend all the time going to block meetings and setting up special action committees and things like that the focus of the book and what we think would help america and the world is if we squeeze politics down to the smaller size that it should occupy in our lives so we can get on with doing stuff like starting businesses falling in love having children and watching t.v. on the cable box and part of what we're doing is telling americans you're not crazy for dropping out the great trend of the last forty years in american politics is that independents have now become by many measures the largest bloc of voters and that's especially true in the last ten years as we've had kind of a bipartisan explosion in war in the size of growth of government bailout economics and all of this and partisans always tell you like oh the independents they're terrible because that yielded formed and they don't really know what they're doing and all of this kind of stuff we're here to say actually know what they're making a rational choice and it's one that mimics what we're choosing in our media what

we're choosing and in our private lives we are all very few. be sort of in a binary world view where we're under one kind of dominance and useless are you trying to tell them that they should be libertarians or telling out of patience stepping away from democrats and republicans entirely with a little little you know it's more than that word libertarian and we think a lot of the animists a lot of the energy in the country is libertarian which simply means that people are socially tolerant and fiscally conservative there's that's growing there's no question but we're talking about more as we're in terms of independents we're describing a shift where they no longer when they're asked they don't want to identify with the republican or democratic party because each of these parties misrepresents of so has done their very best to spend us into the poorhouse and you know they start wars they bail out companies that nobody wants the smart reaction is to say enough and a majority of americans by every measure they want a government that spends all this money and things not i get back to

a point you made earlier you said that you don't play americans are perhaps dropping out right at the end of the day the fact is i don't think politics really plays that great of a role in the average american life they don't they're not likely know these lives here in washington d.c. and i don't sit around and watch what everyone has to say and what every politician has to say so in order for them to get politics out of there like they first have to get into politics it's we talk about independents in politics and independents from politics if you look at how what are some intractable issues that we're finally starting to see some progress on and what was the avenue for that progress that's an interesting question so on something like the drug war a total bipartisan cluster by every stretch of the imagination no one actually defends this stuff it's just a status quo that lives on so if you elect a politician thinking that he's going to be better on the drug war you lose so how do you change things you find other weirdos who think are weirdos actually it's about getting to be a majority position but who think that this is unconscionable and you organize

yourself using the tools of of the private sphere. using online possibilities and you keep the door open through the medical marijuana initiatives that are now in sixteen or seventeen states you organize yourself outside of politics to the point where politicians finally eventually kicking and screaming will find the start necessarily need to find a certain politician and that has a serious issue we don't need a ron paul that's constantly going on and not about the third world ron ron paul and gary johnson and the current political crop of the republican side i find personally attractive candidates for the most part but what we're talking about is that no you know what if you are going after politics if you're looking for political leaders you're losing out on what's really happening when you look at the education your brother lucian i mean it's not because we've had like an endless succession of education presidents all they do is blow up the status quo they spend more and more money on failed policies so what you need to do is come up with ways to create your own charter schools opt out so if the current system and finally

just bring it down to its knees and that's what will happen it's not and that's why the tea party is so important their focus not on one party or the other party but on reducing spending and as long as they stay focused on that and independent from either party they're with they're actually working to change the logic of politics as opposed to a howard dean movement which got subsumed in the democratic party and now is there's no antiwar movement on the left and i don't know which to my dismay i do think. people don't necessarily do so much on their local level because they feel a little overwhelmed because if you look at the debate in the country right now you say that we're in a recession and unemployment is so high we're about to reach you know we're about to talk often are on our dads and the whole country might default then it isn't that the time to start focusing on washington and if we're going to talk about the politics of it all actually i just want to play a little clip what's been going on when it comes to the debt ceiling debate i think about it. nobody believes that united states is going to walk away from its

obligations. well i said this is the moment and this is the opportunity to exactly what i mean dealing with this stuff this debt problem and this deficit problem is far more important the medium some artificial date created by the treasury secretary the validity of the public debt of the united states authorized by law shall not be question this alone is basically makes the idea of the debt ceiling unconstitutional that's the argument right. ok so we had a dozen this in deficit to go she actions that were going on for a while with joe biden that a few people decided drop out now the president is stepping it now we're being told that whole august second deadline isn't even really really are there we're being told that some democrats think of the entire debt ceiling is unconstitutional i mean i feel like this is going absolutely nowhere is that the perfect example of what's wrong with our leaks you know first off i mean this you know the august second deadline is about the fifth deadline that tim geithner has given saying ok

this is what it's going to happen we really have to do something the fact is that you know a decade ago we were less than a decade ago we dealt with a similar issue or fifteen years ago there are ways around hitting the debt ceiling does not mean the same thing as the faltering on the debt what we are seeing we haven't had a budget in this country i mean we're at the you know we get on greece's case at least they passed the stupid budget where we without a budget there's no reason to believe one will be passed before the two thousand and twelve elections and like can't be possible and why can't we do anything. it's a really good question and we go guys i don't want to go but this is i do or don't do anything you know but this is what has happened though is you know it's partly because obama when he controlled the government when the democrats controlled the government they didn't pass a budget that's one of the reasons it was back far you know the far beyond your last line of the last in the budget yeah actually a third there was not been doing much for a long while they've been doing. as well as the us is already going to tarp and

going through a number of other things but last year was the first time that. did not pass a budget since new processes were put in place in nine hundred seventy four it is unconscionable when when the democrats controlled every branch of the federal government and they did not pass a budget that is just going to get a question i think we were seeing what is almost an unprecedented gap between the wishes of the american people who are right now much more radical in some senses than i am i want to comes to cutting a budget with seventy five percent majorities want to cost to tional amendment to balance the budget that's pretty crazy high that's happening right now at a time when we still have his left over a bipartisan consensus of bad economics politicians are beginning to get terrified they don't want to lift a finger on this issue because they know that what they believe in is a lot is at odds with the american people and they're going in there pretty good to get on to ask you something about iran because part of what you preach here is the fact that government should be more decentralized it should be more democratized in terms of it should be up to the people sometimes that can turn into being up to the

whims of the masses who let's face it sometimes have crazy ideas and you know a lot of times people will say you're segregation is saying you're going to vote you know what are you married hence that any issues in the united states or not because people are closet segregation and it's not because of the masses or screwed up it's because the politicians are weak willed they don't want to write a budget that they'll be held to because their power often biodome but i'm here saying with everybody they're willing to use everything well i mean i you know i wish we would have a horrible horrible freedom what do you mean there's nothing wrong with that there's nothing wrong with that i mean we shouldn't necessarily submit everything to majority vote as you know those are the traditional protections in this country for a very good reason but the overall arc not just in this country but the entire world has been especially over the last forty eight and twenty years everything is trending towards individual choice where individuals have more power more freedom for what they want to do than what they were able to have twenty years ago thirty years ago forty years ago public policy has to go in that direction it is going in that direction kicking and screaming despite every best effort of the politicians

so i think if you give people more can. they will of course choose more freedom if they have a choice but you won't necessarily agree with everything i mean you know for instance you know people should have more choice of where their kids go to schools you know what i mean i think that's good and some people are going to go to schools that i would think are stupid or useless but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have that option also we already have throughout that period i have got a minute left but how are you telling people to make that choice in your vote here already it's not a voter guide you know it's actually you know hey come on in the water's fine type of statement to political independence and we have our specific policy prescriptions for beginnings of ideas for things like k. through twelve education medicare other insight on some track of foreign policy problems the drug war and these kind of things but it's also to tell people if you detach yourself from the usual boring pendulum that you address the top of your show constantly if you step back and have more of an independent view the world looks more interesting and then you have actually more power you can get the

politicians to start working for you once you stop believing their crap and you know we don't believe that when i see it when they actually start working for us i have a right that happens that i get their gratitude but thank you very much for joining that clinton of independence i'll return in politics thanks america thanks thank you are there still more to come tonight and he has a lock on the casey anthony trial. it's a feel for also tell you how the government played a role in turning these men their presence and i was never. into the military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government's true if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize them as a charismatic sort. of american exceptionalism.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then you live something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't. charge welcome to the big picture. says. let's not forget that we live in apartheid right leg. i think iraq is easy to be funny well. we never government says they're for keeping safe get ready because you get your

freedom. for. the first few. it's being called the trial of the century only to be compared with the historic o.j. simpson trial that occurred back in the one nine hundred ninety s. and there is no doubt that there is endless media coverage of the casey anthony

trial and everyone is willing to give their two cents on what should happen in that courtroom but perhaps the media outcry should be shifted to instances where the government is setting up individuals to commit crimes and then locking them up for doing so i'm talking about entrapment for example here are the oregon christmas tree bomber nineteen year old somali born mohamed osman mohamud who was open critical of the u.s. attempted to set off a car bomb in portland it was put together and given to him but undercover f.b.i. agents along the hunt is being accused of using weapons of mass destruction a lot would argue a lot of people would argue that this really is a case of entrapment or how about twenty one year old muhammad is saying he was also given a bomb by undercover f.b.i. agents while he was charged with attempted murder for planting a fake bomb was also the center of an f.b.i. sting operation that had been underway for months so should the idea of entrapment at least be considered when you're throwing murder murder charges at someone now keeping these examples of suspected entrapment in mind let's take a closer look at the group under the magnifying glass today the new birth for three

of the four suspects have been sentenced to twenty five years in prison for attempting to shoot down planes at stewart air national guard base and for attempting to blow up synagogues in the bronx but the defense for the suspects say that since undercover agents with the f.b.i. offered up a specific type of missile and even picked the location where these men would have to cause harm and the feds have completely manipulated the case for an eye has more on the sentencing and why the media should be paying more attention to this case in new york. may two thousand and nine according to the f.b.i. the four men intended to carry out their plan the day for african-american muslims are arrested. paraded in front of new york news cameras present it as the faces of home grown terrorism here in the. two. jewish facilities here in the bronx and also taking a military aircraft. a terrifying plot the f.b.i. claims to have thwarted the suspects quickly dubbed the new birth for our poor

illiterate x. conflicts with neither passports nor licenses no direction foreign entity or a real terrorist group instead it direction came from sure he hussein a pakistani immigrant on the f.b.i. payroll reportedly paid nearly one hundred thousand dollars for his services f.b.i. operative provided the fake c four and actually showed them a fake stinger missile according to court testimony hussein recruited the economically strapped offended by offering cars in cash to carry out the orchestrated operation then the agent provocateur or testified as the government's key witness in this nine eleven on there are the f.b.i. has opted for him to go against terrorism allegedly boiling pots across the country question is would there be any well with our government forming police to help free despite surprisingly little criticism from amnesty international and human rights

watch others have expressed a war over what they term entrapment a practice considered unacceptable in countries all throughout europe but i don't think it is i'm nobody is in track and alicia mcwilliams mccullum is the ont of twenty nine year old david williams one of the new birth for she says her nephew is languishing behind bars for a fake terror attack grown in the home of the u.s. government they are creating scenarios they are manufactured crimes that would not have occurred in new had not planned unconstructive seen into a community you know real terrorists out there that we should be concerned about and we should use those resources that bind those individuals in the right. rely on a moments to make good cry well these are all people that we begin to identify attorney steve downs who tracks cases like newburgh for argues the u.s. government is systematically employing preemptive prosecution targeting those whom

officials deem predisposed to committing crimes before an actual crime is committed there taking some really rather vulnerable individuals and not only implanting the ideology of jihad and giving them all the things that they need all the material setting up the plan doing all the research everything else and then grabbing them and then claiming that these were homegrown terrorists this is just a fiction downs' created this ten foot wide visual listing the names of individuals he believes were entrapped by the f.b.i. government the size of for some reason your ideology is causes them concern because then they can come after you and me can manufacture crimes against you and they can make up a whole case and put you through a whole thing and eventually if they can persuade a jury that this manufactured case is valid you can go away to jail for a very long time guilty verdicts for the format as is the case of david williams

and the other defended sentenced to twenty five years in prison i don't have sleigh bells i've got a government polls government that was so a family or for political gain. then this is a god damned shame there's a some said to be a god damn larry king today. r.t. new york. or joining me with more details on this trial is our team corresponding marina portnoy in our studio in new york now marina when the judge was giving the twenty five year sentence today she said that there was outrageous government misconduct that was exercised in this case did she give more detail as to what exactly she meant by that. she certainly did although the judge listed several incidents in which she believed that the government used misconduct in trying to induce these guys into committing this crime and misconduct was in part used by a government paid informant that was dealing with these men and offering them

bribes or or you know in such as two hundred fifty thousand dollars in cash w. to go through with this so-called oil plot the judge also did say that if it were not for the government informant if it were not for the f.b.i. to orchestrate this plan that these four men would have never been capable of carrying something out of making plans of something like this the judge also noted that it was the the f.b.i. informant that are proposed that the men fire stinger missiles at u.s. planes that were taking off from stewart airport and so she was listing on and on and on all of the all of the inducements all of the suggestions and ideas that came from the government paid informant which were driving these men around trying to collectively gather these men together to carry out a plan that was orchestrated by the government paid informant and the f.b.i.

so if she was going on and on and on and on with all these examples if she acknowledged the government misconduct there i'm just confused and why did she give them a twenty five year sentence how did she explain that. it is a little bit confusing here's why because of statutory mandatory mandatory minimum sentencing the judge's hands were tied and she did say that she did say my hands are tied because of these stinger missiles that were allegedly planned to be used in the so-called you know i type are these u.s. planes that put charges against these men into an area in which there is a statutory mandatory minimum that the judge now house to give these men because they were found guilty by a jury you know she had a choice of giving them twenty five years or life in prison she believe it or not

chose the most the least severe sentence she could give them and it opens opens a door for appeal she went very far with her rhetoric could she have completely shunned aside what the jury decided it seemed to me from what she was saying she could it but it wasn't legal for her to do so but she made it very clear that the government practiced a lot of misconduct when trying to arrest these guys charge these guys and convict these guys now when it comes to the government prosecutors were they still arguing for a life in prison instead of just twenty five years. they certainly were believe it or not alone they stood up and said that these men the prosecutor said that all four men of the new four are ticking time bombs that they agreed to this plot that they were excited about this plot and i just want to read you a quote from the prosecutor he said if this plot would have been carried out it

would have been our colossal terrorist attack and the fact that it was fake does not matter they even acknowledge that it was a fait plot nothing was ever executed these were men that were lured in. and were you know potentially offered money cars or whatever they were men not of rich background they were actually quite poor all black men all of muslim descent and other prosecutors even acknowledge this was a fake plot but it was real it would have been the worst case scenario now i can imagine is probably was hard for the family the friends and supporters of these four men what was their reaction life today. yeah and i do want to mention that so many people turned out the sentencing today that not enough not there was enough for him in the courtroom they had opened up another room with a t.v. so everybody could screen it the reaction was sad but to be quite honest from those i spoke with they expected it they expected that the judge is going to hand out

a twenty five year sentence the family of one of the defendants david williams who we heard is on to speak in the in the package this played out were quite upset the mother walked out a photographer to try to take pictures of urge he said get get the camera out of my face when he would stop she sort of lunged at him she were mourning but lunged at her and they most of the people i spoke with believe that there is no due process in this country they are they question whether there is fair justice because they say that without this plot that was workers treated by a government paid informant that was supported by the f.b.i. these men would have never been in that courtroom they would have never even thought about committing any acts of terror but these are men that were desperate and they agreed to do so and now here's the consequence well it's definitely a case that's not being covered arena thanks for filling us and. coming out tonight i'll sell them to some of our viewer comments and.