the lots of spending cuts that screw over the middle class is this good for america scientific data says no as a center for american progress as those states that have cut their budgets have seen negative economic growth and job creation where states that have actually increased spending have seen as of economic growth and job creation as far as taxes go take a look at this chart it clearly shows job growth is at its weakest when tax rates for the rich are very low as they are now and when tax rates on the rich are raised guess what jobs are created this goes over a fifty year period so given all of this information the republicans just dumb when it comes to economics or are they lie and just trying to crash the economy to make president obama look bad at the two thousand and twelve well i know i haven't seen this chart before it is from the center for american progress not known as a nonpartisan sad story of these year of labor statistics and i don't know i don't know what together but let's just let's let's say this that the speech that president obama gave today a press conference where he wanted to rail against this class warfare thing about

the corporate jet tax bill that was in his stimulus plan and it was in there to stimulate not using this to be there by democrats manufacturers the workers there it wasn't to help help help people that fly jets it was to help the people that make jets so i don't know why he was bringing these up just merely to create a class warfare here which is not the way this is that was the thing that caused eric cantor to walk out is when they said we're going to we're going to do away with the exemption on the tax break apparently that was given during the during the it's likely to be it was just a matter of the over the over the jetson's why he was allowed i think it was i think it was they were here with a meeting to his tax credit judge what i want to hear i somehow i doubt that this was the do you predict that drove him out tom so you asked whether the republicans are lying or they're dumb one of both first of all but i think you're missing the point i think i think you know the president talked about raising taxes. and

raising the debt ceiling these are both measures that were voted on by congress individually and that both when congress decided the opposite of what the president's pushing for under democratic congress they kept the tax rates the same which president obama wants to change and now and it's the bush tax day that was just keeping attack and i would argue that that was not the democrats' idea the democrats wanted to extend unemployment insurance and the only way the republicans would go along with that is if they also extend the bush tax cuts and we all know. there are various yes there's not a hollow has got a dollar. goes down the budget i mean is that under democratic underground credit legislators this is what happened this is the end result that we have the bush tax cuts which are now i don't know why they're not called the obama tax cuts so obama wants to change that and then the second thing is this he wants to raise that and now the democrats are going for a long time that we just need a clean vote on the debt ceiling obama got his clean vote on the debts and after that miserably so what is he what he's offering these ludicrous positions that

aren't tenable and that will not be accepted by congress who is he trying to appeal to it doesn't make any sense so you call you call the republicans dumb and the wind but it is not relieving in this living in this world this isn't where the debates that debate is what to cut and how much to cut spending and president obama's trying to kick the can down the road so you guys are absolutely content with no one's advice to hoover you know liquidated all cut or your fifteen seconds you think that that's the solution i think that the solution is i think that i've said many times it's battle if you pass paul ryan's plan includes a raise i got ceiling i got to raise the raise of the debt ceiling that seems like a pretty good solution and once again this week in another five four ruling the right wing of the supreme court corporations of the big victory this time the high court struck down or arizona law that provides public financing of elections the law was intended to level the playing field between people with high huge fortunes and rich friends and just. average folks running for office supply nach in public

funds to candidates who are being outspent by private money made sure that electoral politics in arizona wasn't a whoever has the most money when the sort of game that the court ruled on monday that was unconstitutional so the limiting public funding for elections good for america or just good for the republican party that wants the millionaire and billionaire buddies and hundreds of millions of dollars of corruptive corporate cash into our elections to ensure don't rule america it's good for america it's good for both parties republicans and democrats was the correct decision and they did the right thing look this is not about republicans or democrats if anything the democrats have more of these days have more friends on wall street and that's where they get more money from wall street than the republicans i think you know position should be having friends on the ninth and if you look at the arizona law you think but when i'm suggesting that the premise of your question was faulty i think i think the point is that there is substance or democrat that's fine with me yet so i don't know if you are going to give corrupt money. and i think i think this is about freedom and i think if you're

a book of really really giving money because not just the rich donate can donate money what happened in arizona when this law went into effect in arizona they went from zero to seventy percent of their candidates taking public financing and they had in the last in the last six years in arizona they have had more average working people housewives people you know just get that whole range of people run for and successfully when political office and make history of the story but then also coincidence it tea parties are put in a variety of oh this is not that's always right the idea that only the rich candidate always wins it doesn't happen like that always as you look at the republican nomination two thousand and eight john mccain was in the doldrums and he had he was there spent you wrote about he was getting i'm talking about the primary he was getting no money at that time and he ended up because he threw his own of the hard working campaigning in new hampshire coming in and winning the republican nomination one while he was at. the highest point of all this red seat and then you were at their was there was a real straw in the. within that all the party see who could at least keep order

kate is a lot of them weren't particularly well funded john walsh of illinois it was not well funded but he ended up winning and you don't just because you have the most money doesn't mean you end up winning but all these people give candidates usually people give to candidates in america because because they support a candidate because you like the person or for whatever reason you want but either way it's a form of speech it's a way of saying that's what i suspect you want i want you to win speeches when we talk money talks come i know i'm on that's a cliche this is a this is a doctrine that the supreme court has with buckley versus fellatio back in the one nine hundred seventy or eighty seats and it's a it is a modern kind of art that that the founders would have been horrified that they would not be horrified at the idea of just i want to use people use it you have like using there's not the richest people there are limits to what they're not throwing out the limits are limits the great amount got her all busy busy with others you only would have us there would not be horrified on the speaker they would not be horrified by the idea that someone who is wealthy spending their own money they get a message that they want out they would not be have started going to that is

something that they would have supported it's in the essence of matter number ten where there would be factions factions promoting their different message of change madison federals number ten was begging us not to for in fact known he would have thought that it was just a liberation as the great personal it was going to cause it's wrong it was the solution to to to the idea of creating a republic fact which is almost as a matter of survival for political parties at that time there were no political parties he was saying you know we got to get out was the solution that was his solution for the federal summer time to to the problem going to go back and reread with nobody it is the very way i gree with it is all the facts. i stated by that let's bring it on the air and let's have a debate about it madison never did let's go back to america what is good you're back even further of the enron trial you're out of time let's not work for this bag of merrick is about this is the first big bank to get hit in the pockets for the role of the two thousand and eight financial crisis the bank has agreed to pay out an eight point five billion dollars settlement to more than twenty investors who allege the bang. the fraud of them with junk investments during the housing bubble

the only problem is a lot of that is our bailout money so now that we know that the taxpayer bailout of banks there is only help wall street and did nothing to stem the foreclosure epidemic or stop our economy from hemorrhaging jobs on main street is it fair to say that bailouts aren't the way to go in the future and the next time that the wall street crashes or economy which will likely be soon because republicans are killing the financial reforms one by one should we do it europe it or at least sweden and england and do what ronald reagan did in the one nine hundred eighty s. with the s n l's and just nationalize the banks break them up. with reagan well i'm usually with reagan i mean i think naturalizations is in almost all cases a bad idea worked there were there were some people serious economists for instance nouriel roubini who was the one who predicted what would happen one of the few economists who called for nationalizations early on he still is i do i haven't i haven't seen a reason but he may very well maybe it is news that he very well may be i don't i

don't think nationalizations are generally a good idea for almost anything so i stand for freedom and the government out of business i will say this time you know there's a lot of republicans on the hill who would be with you they didn't like carp if it was a terrible idea they did not to nationalize the banks where they would be supporting a bailout of the banks i on the other hand i think that and that crisis something had to be done so the banks were would have a massive collapse which would dry up all liquidity so i think it was a necessary move at the time but the big problem with the banks going bust was not that the banks themselves would go bust i don't think you're i don't think you'd find too many people who are too sympathetic to the bankers the big problem is that we're all so reliant on the banks and that the banks that because of the way the economy is now structured from stocks and through vaughan's and through and the way money is wound and average americans in the subprime you know to just regular people living in the morning i were you know fairbanks alaska it doesn't it's. in

such a way that to let them go bankrupt would have just killed everybody's bank accounts because without it everyone just would not have but i don't think that therefore that the opposite is then to say all right with nationalize the banks let's take it let's take this step for the government programs have their own faults i think perhaps it's a policy to be considered it but there aren't that many it's going to happen in our undertaking many people making this argument this couldn't have happened in one nine hundred ninety nine before before graham legally was passed and then the glass steagall act was was blown up and before the commodity futures margin was passed you know phil phil gramm wendy gramm working you know as a lobbyist for enron brought us these things and the banks went from zero c.e.o.'s to nine hundred. trillion dollars nine hundred trillion dollars the g.d.p. of the world is sixty five trillion hundred trillion dollars in two thousand and eight i generally say that it was crash. we should think of yeah what we do so you're in favor of government regulation along with me i should have said no banks shoes i mean

a very dramatic rating or b a a cameraman i'm in favor of separating the banks and what that is a go to regulation forces the separation sure i mean there is where there are several regulations that if we had if we'd had that we wouldn't be in this mess but we got a nice mess does it is this a minor that's the truly in dollars or the bad they that's the problem this something that we're going to be in this mess if that if that were what we heard from one hundred thirty to ninety to one hundred eighty to two thousand and eight was the first time in the history of the united states we went more than fourteen years without a major bank collapse first time it was because of glass steagall what so why isn't anybody pushing this argument well i think a lot of democrats actually are but i think there's actually going to buy it's not just democrats but there is a democrat there is afraid of money on wall street as the republicans or maybe i don't know maybe well you know democrats are getting more money from the wall street than the republicans well maybe we'll see we'll see how the heart of it was lection had two thousand was a great president this year one hundred thirty five thousand arizona will likely lose their medicaid coverage thanks to governor brewer's five hundred million dollars. that critical health care program for the poor one case now getting

attention of the state is that of steven stevens who had to quit his job because of a heart condition and now is on social security to make ends meet but the social security payments disqualify him from medicaid because he apparently now earns twelve dollars too much to apply as governor brewer and change the threshold meaning he's no longer covered for life saving hearts or at least two people have already died in arizona when they were denied life saving medical procedures as a result of brewer's medicaid cuts so is this the replace we've been waiting for the republican pledge to repeal and replace health reform just kill off all the poor the sick after all the sick people are left to die health care costs drop i mean how many people this is the nature of our of our debt crisis at this point if you do nothing with the debt crisis many more people die because there will be any money to give anybody any taxes on millionaires and billionaires pay for their problems is when you raise taxes you people for instance in new jersey one of the problems they have found there is when you raise property taxes people move out of

the state they go somewhere else and they don't have great access in our property taxes and by the way they seem to us a state which it is the same thing whether people will dizziness aimed at the rest of your city well where you want to. be done it is a matter that probably isn't always going to get there is a matter that is populated because there's no jobs it's got nothing to do its axis absolutely because if you can if you are in a neighboring state it's more it becomes a burdensome to be in that state because the taxes are onerous and the neighboring state has lower taxes it is worthwhile moving there people have done it they did they do it they've noticed that in places like new jersey i mean it's ministers typically longboard i lived in portland and southern washington right across the river at cheaper property when i was when i was a london. their national you know when i was in london even and you're lloyd webber the great musician they were raising taxes there and he said that he and other people of talent that are producing things if they keep raising taxes they'll just move somewhere else people talent who are making obscene amounts. and it's this guy stevenson in arizona he's. it's

a sorry case but i really hesitate to draw any sort of conclude the vet the conclusions that you're drawing the exception that proves that it's this is one guy it's not it's an unfortunate situation but there is a larger story here and that is the crisis that the states are facing in it's the same thing as the federal it's similar to the federal what we've seen is that the in those twenty five states that have increased spending increased taxes they have actually seen their g.d.p. go up in their unemployment without in the twenty three states that have cut spending and cut taxes we seem to think that's not true i don't know if you would go on but if you go oklahoma for instance where the where unemployment is now at five point one percent were found over the last year and a half there are three things literally wires from those numbers that ignore the code because it's got its own bank out of the situation oklahoma has made business it has for the first time republican governor probably can legislature for both houses and now they've they've made it pro-business pro and basically really puzzled you know even though there is a no it's it's it's because of their new policies and what they're doing why didn't

they work for the other twenty five because they've lowered taxes and that in turn increased revenue i'm not sure what what which other states and which was if i was and i don't think we don't is or that or that i can show you that there are many examples there are many examples of where reaganomics has worked we'll continue to work and there i have the average working people not seeming crease in their patience nineteen that's this is a problem but what i mean why is that when reagan is the one pariah is it that the there were hundred richest people in america have more wealth than one hundred fifty million bottom but that's first if you grow this it doesn't matter how much wealth they have had it matters how much things have risen for everyone just because someone has more of every want to gaff may well disagree but it's time for michele bachmann officially jumped into the race for the white house this week and so far aside from a gaffe she got off a pretty good start in the important primary state of iowa polls show bachmann running in a close second from. mitt romney so in two sentences or less here does michael does

michele bachmann actually have a chance to win this thing i don't believe so especially if rick perry jumps in. so bachmann has the best clearest chance of winning of any republican in the field if you look at mitt romney how is he going to win the first few states who might win new hampshire he's probably lose i will probably lose south carolina probably lose the thought of michele bachmann she can win i was south carolina nevada that's one of the three of the first four she can she has the best the queerest path to victory i don't know whether she'll win a lot can change a lot will change i will not i will not underestimate michele bachmann i think that she has there's a very good chance that should be the vice presidential nominee ticket i don't think under our probably my guess would be run because he's got the machines got the money and don't ever underestimate or get organized more like what they did in california with gay rights these gaffes are going to help or she's going to get a ton of attention it depends it all depends on the next month how she plays it and

she plays herself as the victim she's going to be she's going to be her people might feel sympathetic to her but they don't want to but i think she is who they're sympathetic to i think i think so it all depends on how she plays it and then nobody change her mind originally you know i think there's an insurgency i think she has she doesn't have a very good shot to win the nomination she can win some of those states she can do well and i will but i don't think she'll win it and use a bit of a trust organize mormons but i don't think we should assume that all mormons have the same i did say what it was that i said don't underestimate me it would have the same had the same political motives there are by the way there's two mormons in the race here i'm going to point harper to me runs and thanks to both of you after the break do you want your campgrounds taken over by ronald mcdonald and ideally take i'll tell you how republicans are trying to turn the grounds for profit centers just the latest bad idea.

let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime. i think. even one well. whenever the government says they're safe to graduate because of their freedom. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something

else here sees some other part of it and realized everything you thought you don't know i'm sorry is a big picture. it's a good bad of a very very. ugly we get up

a good priorities usa action the present organization is launching an ad an ad campaign targeting the republican agenda take a look. we are america we know right from wrong and we know the edge blaming president obama for the economy our politics at its worst the republicans have proposed economic reforms or a return not only have a plan that would essentially end medicare for future retirees when should you should while giving huge tax breaks to big oil in the world we can't rebuild america if they don't the middle class yet is running them in important battleground states like florida virginia north carolina and colorado it's essential that we win the messaging war against republicans having the phony twelve elections and priorities usa. the bad. poll and take on fire. so-called news the republican presidential candidate who's probably actually running for vice president went on the attack against climate change saying

evidence supporting it is bad science the science is bad and it's and great dispute do you believe that there is no such thing as global warming i think that's trumped up by people out there who want to get on the green agenda but i'm old enough to remember brian that when people were predicting there was going to be the next ice age so there is climate change there's always been climate change but until recently people worried as much about global cooling so there is climate change but the reality of it is the science indicates most of it if not all of it is caused by natural causes and as to their potential human contribution to that there's a great scientific dispute about that very issue actually there's no dispute ninety nine point nine percent of all climate scientists say manmade climate changes apennine right now basically every scientist who doesn't get a check from big oil believes climate change is real and that humans are responsible eleven he also went on to bash the cap and trade plan that he supported as governor of minnesota but now thinks is a bad idea that now that he's

a republican candidate for president unclear when full and he will disclose how much money big oil through his campaign to get him to change his mind and the very very ugly but i want to select farms one of the nation's largest hog producers was caught red handed performing ghastly abuses against dogs by undercover video video shows pigs confined in crates barely larger than their own bodies pigs being thrown across the room pig's been beaten mutilated and pigs suffering from rampant infections and the employees that i was like farm seem to think that it was that all of their actions were justified. but we. would like very. very. very. see better cover video can see be seen on youtube right now although it is very graphic so graphic in fact that we would. couldn't show you any of it on the air unfortunately this is what the drive for profits in corporate agriculture gets us some of the most inhumane treatment of

animals you've ever seen and that's very clearly. everybody camping sat at night looking up at the stars here in the symphony of the natural sounds echoing around the trees and having that spiritual feeling of what it's like to connect with nature and thought at that exact moment of it life and that the only thing that could possibly make this experience any better is a mcdonald's you haven't. well for those of you who have who are you are florida governor rick scott he is looking out for you as the florida pet is reporting governor scott is telling his state's department of environmental

protection to drop plans to sell off huge chunks of fifty six florida state parks to private corporations and as you can imagine corporations don't really give a damn about the metaphysical experience you might enjoy while camping you care about the bottom line and what can be built on campsites to make the most profit as in let's give smokey the bear a break from patrolling wildfires at campsites and put him in charge of the would be at a mcdonald's counter to make sure that the deep fryer doesn't catch on fire this is a governor scott plans to deal with his state's budget shortfall of budget shortfall that was partly created by massive tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires and corporations that rick scott himself pushed through as his first priority when he took office at the beginning of the year plunging his state's budget into the red his rationale the republican rationale for selling off america to u.s. and foreign corporations we're broke. but it's a lot of truth is the united states of america like florida isn't broke we have

plenty of money we're very rich the republican governors around the nation don't want you to know that that's why they've manufactured state budget crises to justify selling off huge chunks of their states to their buddies who run private corporations they want you to think that the united states of america the richest nation on the planet is fallen on such hard times and we need to visit the local pawn shop and hawk and aco all our stuff. you know it's the same old starve the beast agenda that ronald reagan brought to america in the one nine hundred eighty s. cut off government revenue create the debt crisis and then use that crisis to tear apart social safety nets and over our cons to corporations to carve out for profit and the latest victims of the republican starve the beast economics florida camp grounds but this isn't exclusive to florida and utah governor gary herbert with the support of republicans in congress has proposed eight prior sale of public lands in

utah to help pay down the nation's debt we all know a governor in michigan governor rick snyder's financial managers will take over financial struggling cities and sell their public parks and best lands to snyder's business buddies it's disaster capitalism isn't the only client calls and it's gone international these are the same solutions the i.m.f. bankers have suggested to greece so off the acropolis in the coliseum to transnational corporations to pay back the bank strippers what we're forgetting each step of the way this great sell off of america is just how valuable and irreplaceable our commons are how you put a corporate price tag on your somebody's national park or the grand canyon you can't the republicans aren't interested in the spirit of these natural wonders thinking about the money we're seen the great sell off of america but never before in our nation's history if we don't put an end to it soon when it's just

a matter of time before you can enjoy a proper cino sitting on top of half dome mountain in yosemite park or you can visit rushmore and see iconic presidents and. you can always shop at low prices for checking out old faithful it's our obligation frankly to leave the commons that we've enjoyed in our lives in fact the future generations can enjoy them as well. let's leave the strip malls and fast food joints on main street and keep our commons especially our state parks free from corporate takeovers that's the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we've visited. you covered bizarre websites tom hartman dot com free speech dot org and our team dot com also check out our two youtube channel is there a link that's on arbonne dot com this entire show is also available as a free video podcast on i tunes and we have a new free thom hartmann i phone and i pad app at the app store he said his

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