back in the lower show i'll get the real headlines with none of marcy for live out of washington d.c. now tonight we'll speak with matt welsh and make a left me about their new book the declaration of independence how libertarian politics can save america we're going to update on the case of the new birth four who received their sentencing today and we'll speak with an aspiring from the young turks about a new trend that affects women but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to make.

while sarah pail and it's managed to make her way into the headlines again and this time because somebody else decided to make a movie about her and because the media then used that movie as an excuse to follow her every single move and once again step over anything that actually matters in this world series paling brought her brand of celebrity to movie premier attended by about three hundred zero zero and it is a wonderful story about american values similar to the reception you're getting here and oh oh it's so warm and literally that there are no nice gift of hospitality and no life no matter what that of course is the million dollar question is you're going to run no answer to that here just a lot of speculation and. now you know what i'd really love about this is you'll see pundits anchors or helots on the cable networks all talk about how sarah palin is such a huge distraction. and how it's just so unfair that the real presidential candidates

out there have their stars dimmed by such a money grubbing media whore ok maybe they don't use those exact words but i will anyway the point is that it's the weakest and lamest excuse for analysis that i've ever seen here's an idea you don't have to cover her if you don't want to and then you can focus on those other supposedly real candidates and i know i know it's really groundbreaking logic that i'm just throwing up on you so i'll give you a little time to sink in but when you wake up from your sarah palin wet dream let's remember that there's not a whole economic crisis in this country there's a recession high unemployment a demolished housing market how about the fact that we are out of money i know that talking about our impending economic doom just isn't all that much fun so how about we pick an area to start cutting right i can be bad hard to big just want. the thing is i've got that perfect starting point it's called defense you know we hear a lot of figures thrown out about our wars in iraq and afghanistan i think it's

constant us a million dollars per soldier per year in afghanistan we've heard the one trillion dollar number thrown around as the total cost of both wars but guess what it is much much more than that research project from brown university about the costs of war i found we've already spent two point three to two point seven trillion dollars of the final bill although honestly i don't even know how you calculate a final at this point seeing as both or seem to be never ending that's going to run to be at least three point seven trillion and could reach as high as four point four trillion and the truth is considering our military is now hoping that iraq will ask us to stay past the withdrawal deadline and who are making plans for permanent bases in afghanistan i think it's going to be a lot more now and then how else could we forget we already can't afford these wars so they're being financed by deficit spending when you factor in all that interest there's an extra trillion that hasn't even been tacked on i'd say that that's a problem and i'd say that's a good place to start cutting down the mainstream media would rather focus on sarah

pailin semantics the big debate on capitol hill and he said she said the gets us nowhere meanwhile the costs of wars how they attribute to our current situation something they choose to miss. and we often hear the term that washington is broken that our entire political system is in fact broken we've only got two parties to choose from with with each passing day only seem to look more like yet on the politicians talking points that we hear the sound bites that are played on the news the pundits the crowd the airwaves they'll try to convince you that the country has never been so polarized and that that's the true problem why nothing you're either a democrat or you're republican and there is no in between and that's why all legislation and meaningful reform gets. that excuse right not work for much longer if you party system represents fewer and fewer americans and truth is that independents are the fastest growing block of american voters and that's exactly my

guests tonight are reaching out to you telling them that it's time to mobilize and i both they describe someone who might be an independent someone has an unfavorable opinion of congress you don't think too kindly about bailing out wall street and car companies or letting big pharma write the new health care law or having the f.c.c. regulate the internet but they write this sort of thing keeps happening all the time so why is that let's get them to answer that question joining me to discuss this are and there's the last beeper reason t.v. and reason dot com and that well it's for a reason magazine they're both authors of the book separation of independence how libertarian politics can fix what's wrong with america gentlemen thank you for coming on tonight saying i don't have both of you you know you've just come one of the times so you wrote a book together i don't care is it later to find out how that actually was without tearing your head up but what you call this is a manifesto what are you trying to get here larry here it's an empty political political manifesto our whole world view is predicated on the idea that life is too

important to spend all the time going to block meetings and setting up special action committees and things like that the focus of the book and what we think would help america and the world is if we squeeze politics down to the smaller size that it should occupy in our lives so we can get on with doing stuff like starting businesses falling in love having children and watching t.v. on the cable box and part of what we're doing is telling americans you're not crazy for dropping out the great trend of the last forty years in american politics is that independents have now become by many measures the largest bloc of voters and that's especially true in the last ten years as we've had kind of a bipartisan explosion in war in the size and growth of government and a lot of economics in all of this and partisans always tell you like oh the independents are terrible because the ill informed and. they don't really know what they're doing in all this kind of stuff we're here to say actually know what they're making a rational choice and it's one that mimics what we're choosing in our media what

we're choosing and in our private lives we are all refusing to be sort of you know by an airy world view where we're under one kind of dominance and useless rupert but are you trying to tell them that they should be libertarians or you're telling that they should step away from democrats and republicans and turn away with a little bit you know it's more than that we're libertarian and we think a lot of the animists a lot of the energy in the country is libertarian which simply means that people are socially tolerant and fiscally conservative there's that's growing there's no question but what we're talking about more as we're in terms of independents we're describing a shift where they no longer when they're asked they don't want to identify with either the republican or democratic party because each of these parties misrepresents that so it has done their very best to spend us into the poor house and you know they start wars they bail out companies that nobody wants the smart reaction to say enough and a majority of americans by every measure want they want a government that spends less money and does less things now i get back to

a point you made earlier you said that you don't plan americans far perhaps dropping out right at the end of the day the fact is i don't think politics really plays that great of a role in the average american life they don't they're not likely got these left here in washington d.c. and they don't sit around and watch what everyone has to say and what every politician has to say so in order for them to get politics out of their life they first have to get into politics it's we talk about independents in politics and independents from politics if you look at how what are some intractable issues that we're finally starting to see some progress on and what was the avenue for that progress that's an interesting question so on something like the drug war a total bipartisan cluster fudged by every stretch of the imagination no one actually defends this stuff it's just a status quo that lives on so if you elect a politician thinking that he's going to be better on the drug war you lose so how do. change things you find other weirdos who think they're weirdos actually it's getting to be a majority position but who think that this is unconscionable and you organize

yourself using the tools of of the private sphere using online possibilities and you kicked the door open through a medical marijuana initiatives that are now in sixteen or seventeen states you organize yourself outside of politics to the point where politicians finally eventually kicking and screaming will find the start necessarily need to find a certain politician and that has a serious issue we don't need a ron paul that's constantly going on and on about the fact well ron ron paul and gary johnson and the current political crap about republicans i find personally attractive candidates for the most part but what we're talking about is that no you know what if you are going after politics if you're looking for political leaders sure you're losing out on what's really happening when you look at the education revolution i mean it's not because we've had like an endless succession of education presidents all they do is blow up the status quo they spend more and more money on failed policies so what you need to do is to come up with ways to create your own charter schools so if the current system and finally just bring it down to

its knees and that's what will happen it's not and that's why the tea party is so important their focus not on one party or the other party but on reducing spending and as long as they stay focused on that and independent from either party there were there actually working to change the logic of politics as opposed to a howard dean movement which got subsumed in the democratic party and now is there's no antiwar movement on the left and we're going to you know it's to my dismay i do think that. people don't necessarily do so much on their local level because they feel a little overwhelmed because if you look at the debate in the country right now you say that we're in a recession unemployment is so high we're about to reach you know we're about to talk off on our on our debts and the whole country might defaults then isn't that the time to start focusing on washington and if we're going to talk about the politics of it all actually i just want to play a little clip. what's been going on when it comes to the debt ceiling debate think about it. nobody believes that united states is going to walk away from its

obligations. when i said this is the moment and this is the opportunity to exactly what i mean dealing with this this debt problem and this deficit problem is far more important than getting some artificial date created by the treasury secretary the validity of the public debt of the united states authorized by law shall not be question this alone is basically makes the idea of the debt ceiling unconstitutional that's the argument right. ok so we have a deficit to go she actions that were going on for a while with joe biden then a few people decide to drop out now the president is stepping it now we're being told that whole august second deadline isn't even really really out there we're being told that some democrats think of the entire debt ceiling is unconstitutional i mean i feel like this is going absolutely nowhere is that the perfect example of what's wrong well it's you know first off i mean this you know the august second deadline is about the fifth deadline that tim geithner has given saying ok this is

when it's going to happen we really have to do something the fact is that you know a decade ago we were less than a decade ago we dealt with a similar issue or fifteen years ago there are ways around hitting the debt ceiling does not mean the same thing as the bolting on the debt what we are seeing we haven't had a budget in this country i mean we're acting you know we get on greece's case at least they passed the stupid budget where we without a budget there's no reason to believe one will be passed before the two thousand and twelve elections and i'd like can't be passed when and why can't they do anything. that's a really good question because i don't want to go but this is i do or don't do anything here but this is what has happened though is because you know it's partly because obama when he controlled the government when the democrats controlled the government they didn't pass a budget that's one of the reasons they want us back far you know the far beyond your law you know there wasn't a vote. yeah actually it does that i was going to be doing much for a lot of well they've been doing to try to figure out what is the opposition are going to go through a number of other things but the last year was the first time that we did not pass

a budget since new process so use were put in place in one hundred seventy four it is unconscionable when democrats controlled every branch of the federal government and they did not pass a budget that is just going to get a question i think we were seeing what is almost an unprecedented gap between the wishes of the american people who right now much more radical in some senses than i am i want to comes to cutting our budget they were seventy five percent majorities want a constitutional amendment to balance the budget that's pretty crazy high that's happening right now at a time when we still have this left over bipartisan consensus of bad economics politicians are beginning to get terrified they don't want to lift a finger on this issue because they know that what they believed in is a lot is at odds with the american people and they're going and they're pretty good to get on to ask you something about that right because part of what you preach here is the fact that government should be more decentralized it should be more democratized in terms of it should be up to the people sometimes that can turn into being up to the whims of the masses who let's face it sometimes have crazy ideas

and you know a lot of times the more you will say to your segregation is saying you're going to do you know what are you in battle against that and you shoes in the united states are not because people are cause of segregation and it's not because of the masses are screwed up it's because the politicians are weak willed they don't want to write a budget that they'll be held to because their power off the dow but i mean it's a way of relating to their family she was everything well i mean it would be horrible horrible freedom what do you mean there's nothing wrong with that there's nothing wrong with that i mean we shouldn't necessarily submit everything through majority vote constitutional protections in this country for a very good reason but the overall arc not just in this country but the entire world has been especially over the last forty you can twenty years everything is trending towards individual choice where individuals have more power more freedom for what they want to do than what they were able to have. twenty years ago thirty years ago forty years ago public policy has to go in that direction it is going in that direction kicking and screaming despite every best effort of the politicians

so i think if you give people more control they will of course choose more freedom if they have a choice of where you want to sarah we agree with everything i mean you know for instance you know people should have more choice of where their kids go to schools you know what i mean i think that's a given some people are going to go to schools that i would think are stupid or useless but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have that option also we have to wrap it up here we i have got a minute left but so how are you telling people to make that choice in your book here were the it's not a voter guide you know it's actually you know hey come on in the water's fine type of statement to political independence and we have our specific policy prescriptions for beginnings of ideas for things like a through twelve education medicare other in title and track and foreign policy problems the drug war and these kind of things but it's also to tell people if you detach yourself from the usual boring pendulum that you address the top of your show constantly if you step back and you have more of an independent view the world looks more interesting and then you have actually more power you can get the

politicians to start working for you once you stop believing their crap and you're you know you don't believe that what i see it when they actually start working for us i have a right it happens that i get their gratitude but thank you very much for joining. in the pendency i'll retire in politics. thank you are there still more to come tonight and he has a lock on the casey anthony trial and if they let me some should be paying attention to or also tell you how the government played a role in turning these men their prison sentences. i know. into that and we're military mechanisms dougal we're going to bring justice sort of . i have every right to believe what my government's true if you want to know why i keep. actually. i think i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you

know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok if you don't i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. says. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here in the lead. i think iraq the bombings even want to quell. whatever government says there keep them safe get ready because in the air freedom

. for food for food. it's being called the trial of the century only to be compared with the historic o.j. simpson trial that occurred back in the one nine hundred ninety s. and there is no doubt that there is endless media coverage of the casey anthony trial and everyone is willing to give their two cents on what should happen in that

courtroom perhaps the media outcry should be shifted to instances where the government is setting up individuals to commit crimes and then locking them up for doing so i'm talking about entrapment for example here are the oregon christmas tree bomber one thousand year old somali born mohammed also mohammed who was open critical of the u.s. attempted to set off a car bomb in portland was put together and given to him by undercover f.b.i. agents along the what is being accused of using weapons of mass destruction what would argue a lot of people would argue this really is a case of entrapment or how about twenty one year old muhammad is saying he was also given a bomb by undercover f.b.i. agents while he was charged with attempted murder for planting a fake bomb who was also the center of an f.b.i. sting operation that had been underway for months should the idea of entrapment at least be considered when you're throwing murder murder charges at someone now keeping these examples of suspected entrapment in mind let's take a closer look at the group under the magnifying glass today the new word for three

of the four suspects have been sentenced to twenty five years in prison for attempting to shoot down planes at stewart air national guard base and for a time things of blow up synagogues in the bronx that events for the suspects say that since undercover agents with the f.b.i. offered up a specific type of missile and even picked the location where these men would attempt to cause harm and the feds have completely manipulated the case for an eye has more in the sentencing and why the media should be paying more attention to this case in new york. may two thousand and nine according to the f.b.i. the four men intended to carry out their plan today for african american muslims are arrested early episodes are paraded in front of new york news cameras presented as the faces of homegrown terrorism viewers that. jewish facilities here in the bronx in austin take on a military aircraft. a terrifying thought the f.b.i. claims to have thwarted the suspects quickly dubbed the new book for our poor

illiterate ex-con fix but neither passports nor licenses know direction foreign entity or real terrorist group instead direction came from shaky hussain a pakistani immigrant on the f.b.i. payroll reportedly paid nearly one hundred thousand dollars for his services f.b.i. operatives provided the fake c four and actually showed a fake stinger missile according to testimony hussein recruited the economically strapped defended by offering carson cash to carry out an orchestrated operation then the agent provocateur were testified as the government's key witness in this nine eleven on their own the f.b.i. has upped its ante against terrorism allegedly boiling hot summers the country question is would there be any obstacle well with our government formation in place to help free despite surprisingly little criticism from amnesty international and human rights watch others have expressed a lot over what they term entrapments

a practice considered unacceptable in countries all throughout europe but i don't think it is and nobody is entrapped aleesha macwilliams mccullum is the on twenty nine year old david williams one of the new birth for she says her nephew is languishing behind bars for a fake terror attack grown in the home of the u.s. government they ahd. scenarios they are man of action. crimes that would not have occurred if you had not planned on unconstructive see it into a community you are real terrorists out there that we should be concerned about and they should use those resources the line those individuals in not sit back and rely on a moment to make a good cry well these are all people that we begin to identify attorney steve downs who tracks cases like newburgh for argues the u.s. government is systematically employing preemptive prosecution targeting those whom

officials deem predisposed to committing crimes before and after all crime is committed there taking some really down and rather vulnerable individuals and not only implanting the ideology of jihad and giving them all the things that they need all of the material setting up the plan doing all the research everything else and then grabbing them and then claiming that these were homegrown terrorists it's just a fiction downs' created this ten foot wide visual listing the names of individuals he believes were entrapped by the f.b.i. government the size of for some reason your ideology is causes them concern because then they can come after you and they can manufacture crimes against you and they can make up a whole case and pushing through a whole thing and eventually if they can persuade a jury that this manufactured case is valid you can go away to jail for a very long time guilty verdict we're all for that as is the case of david williams and the other defendants sentenced to twenty five years in prison i don't have

slaveholders i've got government goals government that will sell a family or for political gain and this is a god damned shame as assam said to be a goddamn larry king today. r.t. new york. well joining me with more details on this trials are. in our studios in new york now marina when the judge was giving the twenty five year sentence today she said the there was outrageous government misconduct that was exercised in this case did she give more detail as to what exactly she meant by that she certainly did although the judge listed several incidents in which she believed that the government used misconduct in trying to induce these guys into committing this crime and misconduct was in part used by a government paid informant that was dealing with these men and offering them

bribes or you know in inducements such as two hundred fifty thousand dollars in cash. you to go through with this so-called oil plot the judge also did say that if it were not for the government informant if it were not for the f.b.i. to orchestrate this plan that these four men would have never been capable of carrying something out of making plans of something like this the judge also noted that it was the the f.b.i. informant that proposed that the men fire stinger missiles at u.s. planes that were taking off from stewart airport and so she was listing on and on and on all of the all of the inducements all of the suggestions and ideas that came from the government paid informant that were driving these men around trying to collectively gather these men together to carry out a plan that was treated by the government paid informant and the f.b.i.

so if she was going on and on and on and on with all these examples that she acknowledged the government misconduct there i'm just confused and why did she give them a twenty five year sentence how did she explain that. it is a little bit confusing here's why because of statutory mandatory mandatory minimum sentencing the judge's hands were tied and she did say that she did say my hands are tied because of these stinger missiles that were allegedly planned to be used in this so-called you know i type god these u.s. planes that put charges against these men into an area in which there is a statutory mandatory minimum that the judge now has to give these men because they were found guilty by a jury you know she had a choice of giving them twenty five years or life in prison she believe it or not chose the most police of year sentence she could give them and it opens

opens a door for appeal she went very far with her rhetoric could she have completely shunned aside the jury decided it seemed to me from what she was saying she could it that it was legal for her to do so but she made it very clear that the government practiced a walk of misconduct when trying to arrest these guys charge these guys and convict these guys now when it comes to the government prosecutors were they so arguing for a life in prison instead of just twenty five years. they certainly were believe it or not alone i stood up and said that these men the prosecutor said all four men for our ticking time bombs that they agreed to this plot that they were excited about this plot and i just want to read you a quote from the prosecutor he said if this plot would have been carried out it would have been

a colazal terrorist attack and the fact that it was fake does not matter they even acknowledge that it was a fake thought nothing was ever executed these were men that were lured in. and were potentially offered money cars or whatever they were men not of rich background they were actually quite poor all black men all of muslim descent and the prosecutors even acknowledge this was a fake plot but if it was real it would have been the worst case scenario. i can imagine is probably was hard for the family the friends and supporters of these four men what was their reaction like today. ellen i do want to mention that so many people turned out at the sentencing today not enough there was enough for him in the courtroom they had opened up another courtroom with a with a t.v. so everybody could screen it the reaction was sad but to be quite honest from those i spoke with they expected it they expected that the judge was going to have

a twenty five year sentence the family of one of the defendants david williams who we heard is on speak in that in the package this played out were quite upset the mother walked out. photographer to try to take pictures of urge she said get get the camera out of my face when he would stop she sort of lunged at him she were mourning but lunged at him and most of the people i spoke with believe that there is no due process in this country they are they question whether there is fair justice because they say that without this plot that was orchestrated by a government paid informant that was supported by the f.b.i. these men would have never been in that courtroom they would have never even thought about committing any acts of terror but these are men that were desperate and they agreed to do so and now there's a consequence well it's definitely a case that's not being covered arena thanks for filling us and. coming up tonight all cells and some of our viewer comments and laws that are really created.