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a genocide charges undenatured crimes against humanity during the bosnian war they named him to. vet its needs human rights activists in southern russia are going to hold talks to the head of the presidential council on human rights to ask how to develop a civil society in russia. up next. a show on t.v. on the. prisoner. with human rights act this time it's taking place. it's a. contact between. rights activists.

but what else. we'll hear about it from the head of the presidential council it's. moving the council meeting out of moscow allows those involved to take a closer look at local problems because of complains of misunderstandings because as he says locals often speak with their hearts and officials with the red tape and regulation speak that's why he calls finding a common language crucial first dialogue especially in such an unstable region as the russian caucus which. also thinks dialogue is the only possible way to finding common ground because as he puts it when people talk they don't shoot. thank you very much for being with us. regarding the upcoming meeting with the president why did you start these meetings out in the region. better or more

convenient for you. well by holding those meetings outside a mosque or you're not just meeting with the president but you also get to meet with the representatives of civil society in the corresponding region and learn about their ideas and problems and then to present those ideas to the president and those it representatives could travel to moscow he they're interested in the meeting. with the good well that's what we did last may. we invited representatives of numerous n.g.o.s from the north caucasus to come to moscow to meet with president medvedev moscow thought when you're in fact only two members of the council. in line and ganesh cannot but you are a famous human rights activists were present in that meeting. if you know if it was

other council members who weren't at that meeting with the president. at the three issues because again. here in berg on the contrary it was only council members that participated in the meeting with the president on february first. but prior to that meeting. we met with there is representatives of civil society in the year old's school. also it is possible to invite several people to moscow for a meeting with the council members that there were thirty three days. which you can bring a whole full of people bringing several hundred people for a meeting with a total of only forty council members who would be strange to see what sort of choice and you couldn't give them all in moscow either conyers issued them was certainly besides there is another very important point the way president made that

it was in the crown land use a very different from the way he's say in your concern burg. i had the opportunity to make this comparison. i don't know yet how our meeting instead of apollo is going to be well of course i hope it will be the same way. but i know that in your concern berg we had a lot more time for a free conversation with the president was during our meetings in moscow but he said you know of him also you know the kremlin is very official and it makes people tense and nervous. there is something in the air. i believe something should be done about this place. like this do it perhaps transfer the country's leadership somewhere outside of moscow. actually present in the dead of express this idea not longer goal he proposed moving the government

offices out of moscow or is my school to think burg no just outside the city limits just build a satellite town from governmental officials somewhere outside moscow but then the road to moscow will always be jammed on the contrary there will be no traffic jams as officials would say staying in that town all the time. so you mean they will live and work there it sounds a lot like a leper colony you know i think it's rather like the city of london there is great a london where people live and the city where they were so they keep these two things separate we can have something similar. it would be great if it works are really alike there's a deal which in that this will create a new environment thought you knew atmosphere that it was more than a government that would then the president's or resistance will reflect the

president's ideas. which are we will like this idea. but we want. then there was that let's go back to human rights you had a meeting in the north caucasus in june there was a meeting. and another one is coming up in. does this mean that the north caucasus is the most troublesome region of russia from the point of view of human rights. well i wouldn't put it this way. she said you want to be closer to people in their problems certainly this means they're all in the caucuses or the world prior to that we met in the euros does this mean that the urals region is the most troublesome no has its own human rights related problems which have to be resolved by. this which is the reason we're going to the carcass is not just to tackle local problems after we're gone there to tackle russia's problems and in

fact international problems. discussing the issue of civil societies involvement in fighting terrorism for example and terrorism unfortunately is an ailment over large number of countries today which. will also discuss the she'll of civil societies involvement in consolidating the interethnic and interests faith harmony. these issues are relevant not only in the north caucasus in the same problems exist for instance in. riyadh which is. the but i mean look at those wishes and in moscow. therefore these are not strictly the problems of the caucasus rather us these are the issues of the entire russia are you dealing with the gulf as i've said we're going into the caucuses such as it is very important for us first to meet with the representatives of civil

society there any of the human rights activists in the region and then we meet with the president. we've had a meeting with civil society in douglas stan and today we're meeting with the president. also in the north caucasus. in the north caucasus human rights violations in even a violation. so the russian law are often justified by local traditions what do you think we should be colognes for local traditions or the russian law should be strictly applied throughout russia. well actually this is one of the issues that we are going to discuss with the president . and with europe with mr pyne the shadow of our working group you know we have thirteen working groups all together in our council and all of them have been working very actively each in its own area so there is this one group that

works on developing ethno cultural communities. and professor in middle pine area now an expert on the ethnic policies he's ahead of his career by. so. mr pyne with we'll talk to the president in presenting his working groups view on various problems and ways of resolving them. and you put stuff and he's working group has quite a number of experts including some specialists from the north caucasus which. would surely say so mr pyne will tell the president. that relying on local traditions is actually a good thing. at the it is not like it's something bad is it was relying

on prominent local leaders. or elite troops or a tribal leaders old local clans good glamorous you know we often say that plans are terror both because it but when they were be say that we should always make it clear that what we actually mean is criminals clams mafia clans. however if it's just death family. there is absolutely nothing wrong with that front with them. says that new head of the presidential council on civil society and human rights will be back shortly to break we'll continue this interview in less than a minute so stay with us still to. download

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free could you take three months for charges three. months three years three. types free. download free broadcast quality video for your media projects a free media hearty dot com. welcome back to spotlight i'm just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is me at the fed all the presidential council on civil society and human rights spring for. your meeting with the president scheduled for july fifth will be held as part of a project titled civil society for modernization of russia. is that true.

well actually it's not quite so because civil society for modernization of russia he's something of a program for the council's visiting sessions while meetings with the president are in something different and they're simply our main form of work in europe most work with many i have a question there's a given project called civil society it's not a government project is it is it your project it is our project the councils project but if you meet the president and you somehow discuss this matter with him all of us perhaps including you have a feeling that it is mainly the government that is developing civil society in russia it is mostly the president and the prime minister promoting civil society and my rights you see that so that is wrong. well yes yes of course it's true to some extent and naturally it's wrong reasons. naturally civil

society should grew up bottom up. but if we wait for it to grow from the grassroots like in western europe say or in north america where civil society really brought a mob but that process took several centuries we don't have the time for this natural growth in the mortgages and that's why we are trying in a sense to apply more than technology and excel aerated look we don't like eating food produced by growth exhilarating technologies genetically modified products do we kill in this case is very important that they should be genetically modified in a proper way of course so that some really autonomy us and independent structures of civil society could emerge they shouldn't be artificial organizations controlled

by the state governments or any governments create anything they would not control that well the state is not supposed to create these structures what the state should do is create conditions for these structures to emerge in the region soon this. is this you mean concerned this is our main task and we're absolutely not interested in creating artificial non-government organisations to please and i can tell you that we are preparing a surprise for our upcoming meeting with the president i think it's a bill on citizen oversight is a corner because you see we already have a number of laws related to citizen oversight including a law on public oversight commissions in prisons for example this law has been working for several years now and it is currently being revised there is also

a law on the public chambre. it has also been working for several years and it needs to be modified. but we don't have a framework law for all these forms of citizen oversight. for what is it that you want to money to or is it primarily a law enforcement option and not necessarily what about citizen oversight in the army really needed. our council believes that we definitely need it. there should be a citizen always always knew the new law on police does have some provisions about citizen or side but we don't have a framework law what that would define general principles of citizen all oversight and i was there so this is going to be our proposal to the president and if he accepts it then it will certainly draft this bill and i will submit it to the

president. i have read that your counsel is about submit a preliminary report on the magnitsky case can you tista disclose part of its conclusions have you seen the report yet you know i haven't seen it but i know that it's going to consist of three parts. one port will be devoted to the circumstances that led to the death of said game of any in prison. there are questions related to medical care in prison whether a day teenie can apply for medical examination and if he is seriously ill he should be in hospital rather than. moreover he should be in a regular hospital because a prison hospital may not always have the necessary conditions for treating his disease when the markets because you know there's

a great variety of diseases and there are various clinics to treat them. in prison cannot have many different clinics that's simply impossible. so that's the first group of issues and actually serious progress has been achieved on this issue and i'm not to referring to the fact that some prison officials were fired but they have also changed the regulations on keeping people in pretrial detention facilities. so that's the first part of their report. then the second poured concerns the criminal case against. the little new deal with russia and you might get that this is perhaps the most important part yes there are important issues whether the criminal case was initiated lawfully whether all the statutory requirements were observed ensuring the criminal investigation

there are questions about the term of detention and appeals and so forth. there are questions related to the investigation and the court rulings based on requests by investigators. so that's the second part and specialists in criminal procedure. dealt with this board it's hard for me to say anything about this as i'm not a specialist on criminal procedure and i'm not familiar with all the provisions of law that they refer to. and finally and the third bar is about the allegations that actually led to this investigation the allegations that cause dean investigators to open a criminal case against. you mean that he accused them of corruption in the arrested him for that yes i'm referring to those allegations of corruption so

that's the third part of the report that we're going to submit to the president. is this report going to be what they call a bombshell should the media round up and get ready for a sensation. yes well i think that if our report says that the case was opened quite lawfully and the investigation was carried out by. captain charile absolutely cording to all the rules and regulations that he was rendered all necessary medical assistance. then why make this report. then that would be a bombshell i see you're right but i think the public is expecting a different report and the report will be based on what the experts are saying not on what people are expecting to hear. one more question this one on the case

within the next three months will produce an independent report on the second case against you cause. why was it necessary to put fear an independent report does this mean you think the court's ruling was unjust. then why are you doing it's going to be independent reports. in each and every case we have talked i will instruct my editors to check every word you say you're welcome to do this you may check it i don't mind. you see some cases are high profile they get a lot of attention. it was so in some instances he is necessary to carry out a public examination of such cases. however we should take into account two points more first this is a non government initiative and second it is purely legal in other words we're

not asking our experts if there is a political aspect to this case because otherwise these questions should be addressed to political analysts not lawyers with them with that background and frankly i don't know how to conduct a political examination. i can't comprehend this. i do know how to carry out a legal examination as a legal expert myself so why do we think it is necessary. but first of all it was our initiative we told the president that we would like to carry out such a nongovernmental legal examination that this was during our meeting in your concern berg on the february first. and then the president told us that since he was not an expert in criminal law because he's an expert in civil law and family law. he said he was not competent enough to best judgment on this situation.

he's just not a specialist in this part of the law. so he said i'm not a specialist in criminal law and a criminal procedure so it would be interesting for me to know what experts in criminal law and criminal procedure say about this case. so we found such specialists and actually not only from russia about half of them off from abroad including the united states canada the netherlands finland germany and many other countries all of them specialists in criminal law criminal procedure sation and so forth and what's important there are x. russian law not that of their respective countries. so we hope that by early fall we will get older in conclusions and after that you

will pass them on to the president. we won't edit it we won't make any conclusions instead of the experts we negotiate with we want this examination to be absolutely into. then didn't when you would you ideally it should be taught only free from any kind of influence you. and the experts who are taking part in that examination should confirm to us that they have nothing to do you and i have never had anything to do with a case of hot or coughs. up what would you so it will really be an absolutely independent examination or because of school thank you very much and just to remind you that my guest today was please the head of the presidential

council on civil society and human rights and that's it for now protocol spotlight will be back with more. comments on what's going on in and outside and so let's stay a party and take care has. this been in the year in iraq is not a true journalist. in some ways still in the u.s. contractors there's kind of wasting their time trying to get killed. i thought all along the link they didn't leave it out by hand in my. view would

take me about twenty seven days going to publicize it before inviting them on to the scene i think the leads people started the base of the dialogue the just the chanting the slogan or waiting so his team's fans. are going and.