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hello yes the ultimate truth squad like the interview show on our team on the innoventions my guest is. president medvedev is holding another meeting with human rights act this time it's taking place in the caucasus region of russia it's aimed at creating closer tongue sex between fellow for human rights activists and at first so selfish but what else is on the agenda how the needs will hear about it from the head of the presidential council oddly human rights we fail to. move the council meeting out of moscow allows those involved to take a closer look at local programs because it also complains of misunderstandings because as he says locals often speak with their hearts officials with the red tape

and regulations that's why he calls finding a common language crucial first published in a dialect especially in such a stable region as the russian told us it's almost matter i also think style is the only possible way to finding common ground because as he puts it when people told they don't shoot. because there was a personal message for those of you thank you very much for being with us christine regarding the upcoming meeting with the president why did you start organizing these meetings out in the regions why are they better or more convenient for you. well by holding those meetings outside a mosque or you're not just meeting with the president but you also get to meet with the representatives of civil society in the corresponding region and learn about their ideas and problems and then to present those ideas to the president

option to those it representatives could travel to moscow either interested in the meeting. well that's what we did last may detect that we invited representatives of numerous n.g.o.s from the north caucasus to come to moscow to meet with president clinton was who they were when you if in fact only two members of the council. in the soup line and ganesh cannot which you are a famous human rights activists who are present and that meeting go. and i suppose other council members weren't at that meeting with the president. at the theaters because again looking in. on the contrary it was only council members that produced the pit in the meeting with the president on february first. but prior to that meeting. we met with various representatives of civil society in the urals

which is also possible to invite several people to moscow for a meeting with the council members of the thought about the status. which you can bring a whole full of people bringing several hundred people for a meeting with a total of only forty council members and it would be strange to see what sort of chile and you couldn't hear them all in moscow either can you issue to me and i was certainly decides there is another very important point the way president heard that it was in the crown when he's a very different from the way he's say in your answer and berg and i really i had the opportunity to make this comparison we couldn't work what i don't know yet how our meeting in stabber opposed going to be of course i hope it will be the same way . but i know that in a year later in berg we had a lot more time for

a free conversation with the president that we were going to ensuring our meetings in moscow but he said you know that kim also you know the kremlin is very official with the war and it makes people tense and nervous. there is something in the air. i believe something should be done about this place. but this deal will be over your heads transfer the country's leadership somewhere outside of moscow. actually present in the dead of express this idea no longer call you propose moving there and off. this is out of moscow is my school to think these burg know just outside the city limits and just build a satellite town one of the former government officials somewhere outside moscow but then the road to moscow will always be jammed on the contrary there will be no traffic jams as officials would stay nap town all the time. it would.

seem mean they will live and work here it sounds a lot like a leper colony no i think it's rather like the city of london and there's cradle london where people live see the city where there were so they keep these two things separate the more we can have something similar. it would be great if it works are really alike there's a deal which in that this will create a new environment thought you knew the atmosphere better was more than a government that would then the presidents or worse announce will reflect the president's idea. which i really like this idea. but one of the things that let's go back to human rights you had a meeting in the north caucasus in june there was a meeting. and another one is coming up in its stead does this mean that the north caucasus is the most troublesome region of russia from the point of view of human

rights. well i wouldn't put it this way. in which she said you want to be closer to people and their problems we certainly did this means they're all in the caucuses and well prior to that we met in the year olds does this mean that the urals region is the most troublesome you know he treats you know has its own human rights related problems which have to be resolved by the choice is which is the reason we're going to get carter so this is not just to check out poll local problems after we're gone there to tackle russia's problems and in fact international problems. you called it is guessing the issue of civil societies involvement in fighting terrorism pretty example and terrorism unfortunately is an ailment over large number of countries today which. will also discuss the she'll of civil societies involvement in consolidating in the interim afghan economic

interests faith harmony and the cycle life easy issues are relevant not only in the north caucasus the same problems exist for instance in a cold media or even boreal here which is more in your. hand in moscow. therefore and these are not strictly in the problems of the caucasus rather us these are the issues of the entire russian i didn't win the cup as i've said we're going into the caucuses such as it is some very important for us firstly to meet with the representatives of civil society or any of human rights activists in the region and then we need with the president. we've had a meeting with civil society in douglas stan and today we're meeting with the president with also in the north caucasus i think created. in the north

caucuses human rights violations and even violation. so the russian law are often justified by local traditions what can we do you think we should be colognes for local traditions or the russian law should be chiefly applied throughout russia i think that. well actually this is one of the issues that we are going to discuss with the president. of which you go with your group and mr pyne the shadow of our working group you know we have thirteen working groups all together in our council in all of them have been working very actively with each in its own area so there is this one group that were at sun developing ethno cultural communities. the with and professor emil pyne with kerry now an expert on the ethnic policies he's ahead of his trip by. so to be mr pyne we'll

talk to the president in presenting his working groups view on various problems and ways of resolving them. and you get started and he's working group has quite a number of experts including some specialists from the north caucasus which if the ritual is so mr klein will tell the president one that's really lying all local tradition is actually a good thing. at the it is not collected something bad is for you were relying on prominent local leaders. or leaders or a tribal likely to result local clans is a good way to glamorize you know we often say that plans are terrible because of what when they were b. c. that we should always make it clear that what we actually mean is a criminal clams and mafia clans that leave you however if it's just

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we. covered. welcome back to the spotlight i'm than just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is me. head of the presidential council on civil society and human rights springfield at the citadel so your meeting with the president scheduled for july fifth will be held as part of a project titled still saving for modernization of russia. is that true.

well actually it's not quite so because civil society for modernization of russia he's in fact the program for the council's visiting sessions while meeting some of the presidents are in something different and they're simply our main form of work in europe most part with money i have a question there's a government project called civil society it's not a government project is it is it your project. our project the councils project. you meet the president and you somehow discuss this matter with him all of us perhaps including you have a feeling that it is mainly the government that is developing civil society in russia it is mostly the president and the prime minister promoting civil society am i right is that so that is wrong. well yes yes of course it's true just some extent and naturally it's wrong with naturally civil

society should grew up bottom up and go yes it was but if we wait for it to grow from the grassroots like in western europe say or in north america where civil society really grew board a mob but that process took several centuries and we don't have the time for this natural growth in the mortgages and that's why we are trying in a sense to apply more to college and accelerated sterols look at ways we don't like eating food produced by growth exhilarating to know jesus is genetically modified products do we what are the chill in this case is very important that they should be genetically modified in a proper way of course he saw that some really autonomy and independence structures of civil society could emerge they shouldn't be artificial organisations controlled by the state governments any governments create anything they would not control

that well the state is not supposed to create these structures what the state should do is create conditions of the way for the structures to emerge in the region certain things that when you look at them as is this you mean concerned that this is our main task is that we are absolutely not interested in creating artificial non-government organisations to please you and i can tell you that we are preparing a surprise for our coming meeting with the president it's a bill on citizen oversight is a corner about because you see we already have a number of laws related just citizen oversight including a law on public oversight commissions in prisons for example and this law has been working. for several years now and it is currently being revised there is also

a law on the public chambre it has also been working for several years and it needs to be modified or thought of that but we don't have a framework clarke or for all these forums office it is an oversight. for what is it that you want to money through or is it primarily a law enforcement action and not necessarily one about citizen oversight in your any delineated. with our council believes that we definitely need it. there should be a citizen all research always knew the new law and police does have some provisions about citizen or recital but we don't have a framework or are what that would define the general principles of citizen oversight it's and i was there so this is going to be our proposal to the president and if he accepts it then he will certainly draft this bill and i will submit it to

the president in prison yes i read that your counsel is about submit a preliminary report and then again it's the case can you tease to disclose every part of its conclusions have you seen the report yet you know i haven't seen it but i know that it's going to consist of three parts. one poured will be devoted to the circumstances that led to the death of city game in prison. there are questions related to medical care in prison whether a day teenie can apply for medical examination at the local if he is seriously ill he should be in hospital rather than in chile but moreover he should be in a regular hospital because a prison hospital may not always have the necessary conditions for treating his disease. because you know there's a great variety of diseases and there are various clinics to treat them in

a prison camp and have many different clinics that's simply impossible. so that's the first group of issues and actually serious progress has been achieved on this issue and i'm not to referring to the fact that some prison officials were fired but they have also changed regulations on keeping ill people in the pretrial detention facilities. so that's the first part of their report. then the second poured concerns and the criminal case against him i believe it was within you go in with your human being is that this is perhaps the most important part yes there are important issues of whether the criminal case was initiated lawfully and whether all the statutory requirements were observed ensuring the criminal investigation and there are questions about the term of detention and

appeals and so forth that. there are questions related to the investigation and the court rulings based on requests by investigators to be so that's the second part then a specialist sin criminal procedure. dealt with their sport it's hard for me just say anything about this as i'm not a specialist on criminal procedure and i'm not familiar with all the provisions of law that they referred to which the good and finally the third part is about the allegations that actually led to this investigation the allegations that caused the investigators to open a criminal case against sergei magnitsky i mean that he accused them of corruption in the arrested him for that yes i'm referring to those oleg asians of corruption

so that's the third part of the report that we are going to submit to the president . is this report going to be what they call a bombshell what should the media round up and get ready for a sensation we think is that yes well i think that if our report says that the case was opened quite lawfully and the investigation was carried out by fellow fully. he was kept in jail absolutely cording to all the rules and regulations and that he was rendered all necessary medical assistance. then why need this report. then that would be a bombshell i see you're right but i think the public is expecting a different report and the report will be based on what the acts are saying now than what people are expecting to hear the next. issue one more question this one on the yukos case within the next few months your council will produce an

independent report on the second case against you cause he said why was it necessary to peer an independent report does this mean you think the court's ruling was unjust with no purpose then why are you doing it's going to be here in an independent report. when each and every case is like everything we have talked i will instruct my editors to check every word you say you're welcome to do this you may check it i don't mind. you see some cases are high profile. they get a lot of attention. but it was so in some instances he was necessary to carry out a public examination of such cases. however we should take into account two points. first this is a non government initiative and second it is purely legal in other words we're

not asking our experts if there is a political aspect to this case because otherwise and these questions should be addressed to political analysts and not lawyers within which the program of the and frankly i don't know how to conduct a political examination. i can comprehend as can be i do know how to carry out a legal examination as i am a legal expert myself your knees so why do we think it is necessary to prefer small it was our initiative we told the president that we would like to carry out such a nongovernmental legal examination if this was during our meeting in your concern berg on the february first week and then the president told us that since he was not an expert in criminal law because he's an expert in civil law and family law. he said he was not competent enough to best judgment on this situation. he's just

not a specialist in this part of the law. so he said i'm not a specialist in criminal law and a criminal procedure that is so it would be interesting for me to know what experts in criminal law and criminal procedure say about this case emerge so we found such specialists and actually not only from russia about half of them from abroad including the united states canada the netherlands finland germany and many other countries all of them specialists in criminal law crime know person. sation and so forth through and what's important they're experts in russian law not that of their respective countries. so we hope in the early fall we will get holder and conclusions and after that you will pass them

on to the president. we won't edit them we won't make any conclusions instead of the experts we negotiate with we want this examination to be absolutely in. pendent when you would you ideally it should be taught only free from any kind of influence do you think that the isabella and the experts who are taking part in that examination should confirm to us that they have nothing to do and have never had anything to do with a case of hot or costly and loaded it. up with deals so it will really be an absolutely independent examination of the illum because of course it thank you very much i am just remarking that maybe yesterday was a hole filled out ahead of the presidential council on civil society and human and

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