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a human voice face to face with the news makers. welcome back you're watching r.t. live from moscow these are the top stories british activists mark us in the panels day with protests demanding the closure of an american spy base in england which is due to be a part of a star wars missile shield they are concerned it's a step towards a self-serving american militarization of space. denmark drops down the border barriers again with customs chads designed to tackle drug smuggling and illegal immigration but it's angered colleagues who say it violates the cornerstone of european unity and. officials say the arms embargo has been breached again as both strong guitar carrying weapons for the rebels are reportedly intercepted so far france is the only nation to admit supplying arms to the forces. next the man in

charge of developing human rights in russia tells r.t. about moving towards a more civil society. hungry for the full story we've got it first hand the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers on. first. hello and welcome to spotlight the show on our take on the.

prisoner. with human rights act this time it's taking place in the caucasus region of russia it's aimed at. contact between human rights activists at first. but what else. we will hear about it from the head of the presidential council oddly human rights . movement the council meeting out of moscow allows those involved to take a closer look at local problems because of complains of misunderstandings because as he says locals often speak with their hearts and officials with the red tape and regulations that's why he calls finding a common language crucial first dialogue especially in such an unstable region as the russian caucus which. also thinks doll is the only possible way to finding

common ground because as he puts it when people talk they don't shoot. thank you very much for being with us. regarding the upcoming meeting with the president why did you start these meetings out in the region. better or more convenient for you. well by holding those meetings outside a mosque or you're not just meeting with the president but you also get to meet with the representatives of civil society in the corresponding region and learn about their ideas and problems and then to present those ideas to the president with those representatives can travel to moscow he they're interested in the meeting new well that's what we did last may. we invited representatives of numerous n.g.o.s from the north caucuses to come to

moscow to meet with president clinton that it was school of thought when you're in fact only two members of the council. in line and ganesh cannot but you are a famous human rights activists were present at that meeting. in the other council members who weren't at that meeting with the president. at the cities because again the syrian berg on the contrary it was only council members that participated in the meeting with the president on february first. but prior to that meeting that we met with there is representatives of civil society in the year old's school. also it is possible to invite several people to moscow for a meeting with the council members that there were new cities. which you can bring

a whole full of people bringing several hundred people for a meeting with a total of only forty council members who would be strange to see what sort of choice and you couldn't get them all in moscow either because you can usually issue numbers certainly besides there is another very important point the way president that it was in the crown when using a very different from the way he's say in your concern burg. i had the opportunity to make this comparison. i don't know yet how our meeting instead of apollo is going to be well of course i hope it will be the same way. but i know that in your concern berg we had a lot more time for a free conversation with the president then during our meetings in moscow but he said you know of him also you know the kremlin is very official and it makes people

tense and nervous. there is something in the air. i believe something should be done about this place. perhaps transfer the country's leadership somewhere outside of moscow. actually present in the dead of express this idea no longer goal he proposed moving government offices out of moscow. burg no just outside the city limits just build a satellite town from governmental officials somewhere outside moscow but then the road to moscow will always be jammed on the contrary there will be no traffic jams as officials will be staying in that town all the time. so you mean they will live and work there it sounds a lot like a leper colony you know i think it's rather like the city of london there's great a london where people live in the city where they were so they keep these two

things separate we can have something similar. it would be great if it works are really alike there's a deal which in that this will create a new environment thought you knew atmosphere that it was more than a government that would then the president's or resistance will reflect the president's ideas. which are you are like this idea. but when you. let's go back to human rights you had a meeting in the north caucasus in june there was a meeting. and another one is coming up in its stead does this mean that the north caucasus is the most troublesome region of russia from the point of view of human rights. well i wouldn't put it this way. but he said he wants to be closer to people in their problems certainly did this means they're all

in the caucuses well prior to that we met in the euros does this mean that the urals region is the most troublesome no he treats and has its own human rights related problems which have to be resolved in. this which is the reason we are going to the carcass is not just to tackle local problems after we're gone there to tackle russia's problems and in fact international problems. will get its guessing the issue of civil societies involvement in fighting terrorism for example and terrorism unfortunately is an ailment over large number of countries today which. will also discuss the she'll of civil societies involvement in consolidating the interethnic and interests faith harmony. these issues are relevant not only in the north caucasus at the same problems exist for instance in the cold media or in

boreal which is. the bottom. and in moscow. therefore these are not strictly the problems of the caucasus were other yes these are the knishes of the entire russia. as i've said we're going into the caucuses such as it is very important for us first to meet with the representatives of civil society or any other human rights activists in the region and then we meet with the president. we've had a meeting with civil society in douglas don and today we are meeting with the president. also in the north caucasus. in the north caucuses human rights violations in even a violation. so the russian law are often justified by local traditions what can we do you think we should be colognes for local traditions or the russian law should be strictly applied throughout russia. well

actually this is one of the issues that we are going to discuss with the president . and with you with mr pyne the shadow of our working group you know we have thirteen working groups all together in our council and all of them have been working very actively each in its own area so there is this one group that works on developing ethno cultural communities. and professor in middle pine area now and expert on the ethnic policies he's ahead of his curve by. so. mr pyne with we'll talk to the president in presenting his working groups view on various problems and ways of resolving them. and you put stuff and he's working group has

quite a number of experts including some specialists from the north caucasus which. would surely say so mr pyne will tell the president one that's really lying on a local tradition is actually a good thing. at the it is not like it's something bad is it was relying on prominent local leaders. or elite troops or a tribal leaders old local clans you can use good glomerular you know we often say that plans are terror both because of what when they were b.c. that we should always make it clear that what we actually mean is criminals clams mafia clans. however if it's just death family. there is absolutely nothing wrong with that from what the black hole says that new title fidel the head of the presidential council on civil society and play in the rights

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welcome back to spotlight i'm then just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is me. head of the presidential council on civil society and human rights. with the president scheduled for july fifth will be held as part of a project titled civil society for modernization of russia. is that true. well actually it's not quite so because civil society for modernization of russia a program for the councils visiting sessions while meetings with the president

or something different they're simply our main form of work in europe will start with money i have a question there's a given project called civil society it's not a government project. is it your project. our project the councils project but you need the president and you somehow discussed this matter with him all of us perhaps including you have a feeling that it is mainly the government that is developing civil society in russia it is mostly the president and the prime minister who are promoting civil society in my rights you see that so then it's wrong. well yes yes of course it's true to some extent and naturally it's wrong. naturally civil society should grew up bottom up. but if we wait for it to grow from the grassroots like in western europe say or in north america where civil

society really brought a mob but. took several centuries we don't have the time for this natural growth. that's why we are trying in a sense to apply more technology and excel aerated. we don't like eating food produced by growth exhilarating technologies genetically modified products do we still in this case it is very important that they should be genetically modified in a proper way of course so that some really autonomy and independence structures of civil society could emerge that they shouldn't be artificial organizations controlled by the state governments any governments create anything they would not control that well the state is not supposed to create these structures what the state should do is create conditions for these structures to emerge in the regions

that. is this you mean concerned this is our main task and we're absolutely not interested in creating artificial non-government organizations please and i can tell you that we are preparing your search. right before our upcoming meeting with the president at the it's a bill on citizen oversight is a corner because you see we already have a number of laws related to citizen oversight including a law on public oversight commissions in prisons for example this law has been working for several years now and it is currently being revised there is also a law on the public chambre it has also been working for several years and it needs to be modified. but we don't have a framework law for all these forms of citizen oversight.

for what is it that you want to money to or is it primarily law enforcement and not necessarily what about citizen oversight in the army. our council believes that we definitely need it. there should be a citizen always always knew the new law on police does have some provisions about citizen oversight but we don't have a framework law what that would define general principles of citizen all oversight and i was there so this is going to be our proposal to the president and if he accepts it then it will certainly draft this bill and i will submit it to the president. i have read that your counsel is about submit a preliminary report on the magnitsky case can you tista disclose part of its conclusions have you seen the report yet you know i haven't seen it but i know that

it's going to consist of three parts. one port will be devoted to the circumstances that led to the death of said game of the meets in prison. there are questions related to medical care in prison whether a day teenie can apply for medical examination and if he is seriously ill he should be in hospital rather than. moreover he should be in a regular hospital because a prison hospital may not always have the necessary conditions for treating his disease when the markets because you know there's a great variety of diseases and there are various clinics to treat them. in prison cannot have many different clinics that's simply impossible. so that's the first group of issues and actually serious progress has been achieved on this issue and

i'm not to referring to the fact that some prison officials were fired but they have also changed the regulations on keeping people in pretrial detention facilities. so that's the first part of their report. then the second poured concerns and the criminal case against. that was we're doing yoga little new deal with. this is perhaps the most important part yes there are important issues whether the criminal case was initiated lawfully whether all the statutory requirements were observed ensuring the criminal investigation there are questions about the term of detention and appeals and so forth at the. there are questions related to the investigation and the court rulings based on requests by investigators to do so and that's the second part

and specialists in criminal procedure. dealt with this board it's hard for me to say anything about this as i'm not a specialist on criminal procedure and i'm not familiar with all the provisions of the law that they refer to most of it and finally and the third bar is about the allegations that actually led to this investigation the allegations that cause dean investigators to open a criminal case against. you mean that he accused him of corruption in the arrested him for that and yes i'm referring to those allegations of corruption so that's the third part of the report that we're going to submit to the president. is this report going to be what they call a bombshell. around up and get ready for a sensation. yes well i think that if our report says that the case was

open quite lawfully and the investigation was carried out by the captain charile absolutely cording to all the rules and regulations that he was rendered all necessary medical assistance. then why make this report. then that would be a bombshell i see you're right but i think the public is expecting a different report and the report will be based on what the experts are saying we're not on what people are expecting to hear. one more question and this one on the case within the next few months your counsel will produce an independent report on the second case against you cause. why was it necessary to be theer an independent report does this mean you think the court's ruling was unjust which it

. then why are you doing it's going to put the independent report. in each and every case we have talked i will instruct my editors to check every word you say you're welcome to do this you may check it i don't mind. you see some cases are high profile they get a lot of attention. so in some instances he is necessary to carry out a public examination of such cases. however we should take into account two points. first this is a non government initiative and second it is purely legal in other words we're not asking our experts if there is a political aspect to this case because otherwise these questions should be addressed to political analysts not lawyers but that was the background and they were frankly i don't know how to conduct

a political examination. i can't believe i can't comprehend this. i do know how to carry out a legal examination as a legal expert myself so why do we think it is necessary. but first of all it was our initiative we told the president that we would like to carry out such a nongovernmental legal examination that this was during our meeting in your concern berg on the february first. and then the president told us that since he was not an expert in criminal law because he's an expert in civil law and family law. he said he was not competent enough to best judgment on this situation. he's just not a specialist in this part of the law. so he said i'm not a specialist in criminal law and criminal procedure so it would be interesting for

me to know what experts in criminal law that any criminal procedure say about this case. so we found such specialists and actually not only from russia about half of them all from abroad including the united states canada the netherlands finland germany and many other countries all of them specialists in criminal law criminal procedure sation and so forth and what's important there are acts sports in russian law not that of their respective countries. so we hope that by early fall two more will get older and conclusions and after that you will pass them on to the president like that. we won't. we won't make any conclusions instead of the experts we negotiate with we want this

examination to be absolutely in. pendent when you would you ideally it should be taught only free from any kind of influence. and the experts who are taking part in that examination should confirm to us that they have nothing to do you have never had anything to do with a case of hot or coffee in the lab it adds. up what would so it will really be an absolutely independent examination of them. thank you very much and just to remark that late yesterday was the head of the presidential council on civil society and human and that's it for now. the spotlight will be back with more . comments on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay a party and take it as.