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they've intercepted due to ships carrying a belgian made weapons for the rebels in violation of. arms trafficking to the water country. those are the headlines here nazi next though is the man in charge of developing human rights in russia telling us about moving towards a more civil society. he won't. review the latest in science stems from cultures from around the russian. we've dumped the future coverage. with. hello yet welcome truth squad like the interview show

on our t.v. on i would love and today my guest is me so you did what. president medvedev is holding another meeting with human rights activists this time it's taking place in this caucus this region of russia it's aimed at creating close that contact between a local cuban rights activists and experts some politicians but what else is on the agenda other than meets you'll hear about it from the head of the presidential palace so oddly human rights to the. movie council meeting out of moscow allows those involved to take a closer look at local problems because it also complains of misunderstandings because as he says locals often speak with their hearts officials with the red tape and regulations that's why he calls finding your common language crucial first published a dialect especially in such a stable region as the russian troops sits on which also thinks doll is the only

possible way to finding common ground because as he puts it when people talk they don't shoot. because it was the first illness if you go to thank you very much for being with us kristie regarding the upcoming meeting with the president situ why did you start organizing these meetings out in the regions why are they better or more convenient for you. well by holding those meetings outside a mosque or you're not just meeting with the president but you also get to meet with the representatives of civil society in the corresponding region and learn about their ideas and problems and then to present those ideas to the president option with those groups in your lives could travel to moscow he they're interested in the meeting. with a well that's what we did last may. we invited representatives of numerous

n.g.o.s from the north caucuses to come to moscow to meet with president clinton that one school of thought when you're in fact only two members of the council. in suitland i'm gonna skinner are a famous human rights activists who are present and that meeting. is within that for the other council members who weren't at that meeting with the president. at the city just because you get them looking in yeah it's your in borough on the contrary it was only council members that participated in the meeting with the president on february first. but prior to that meeting with them we met with that there is representatives of civil society in the urals school which is the world also it is possible to invite several people to moscow for a meeting with the council members that they were to run the study that is killed

with which you can bring a whole full of people bringing several hundred people for a meeting with a total of only forty council members who would be strange like i'm going to see what sort of chile and you couldn't hear them all in moscow either you can usually issue to get one and i was certainly decides there is another very important point in the way president that it was in the crown when he's a very different from the way he's say in your answer in berg with it if you really i had the opportunity to make this comparison and it didn't work well i don't know yet how our meeting in stabber apollo is going to be here well of course i hope it will be the same way. but i know that in a year later in berg we had a lot more time for a free conversation with the president good ensuring our knitting is in moscow but he said you have him also you know the kremlin is very official with the war and it

makes people tense and nervous. there is something in the air he believes something should be done about this place. but this deal it helps to transfer the country's leadership somewhere outside of moscow that actually the president live there to express this idea not longer call he proposed moving government off. this is out of moscow and here is my school to think it is berg no just outside the city limits and just build a satellite town order them some governmental officials somewhere outside moscow but then the road to moscow will all be jammed on the contrary there will be no traffic jams as officials would stain that town all the time. to mean they will live and work there it sounds a lot like a leper colony you know i think it's rather like the city of london there's cradle

london where people live see the city were their work so they keep these two things separate it's more like you have something similar. we could be great if it works are really alike they say which in that this will create a new environment new atmosphere if there were more than government that would then the president's original answer will reflect the president's ideas. which i really like this idea. but one question. let's go back to human rights you had a meeting in the north caucasus in june there was a meeting in moscow and another one is coming up in its never pole does this mean that the north caucasus is the most troublesome region of russia from the point of view of human rights. well i wouldn't put it this way. but you said you want to be closer to people in their problems certainly did this means

they're all in the caucuses and well prior to that we met in the year also this this means that they urals region is the most troublesome no retreat in has its own human rights related problems which have to be resolved. the reason we're going to do it carter says is not just to tackle local problems after we're gone there to tackle russia's problems and in fact international problems. you call it is guessing the issue of civil societies involvement in fighting terrorism pretty example and terrorism unfortunately is an ailment over large number of countries today which. will also discuss the issue of civil societies involvement in consolidating the interethnic and interests faith harmony. life easy issues are relevant not only in the north caucasus in the same problems exist for instance in

a cold media or even boreal here which is more in your. wishes and in moscow. therefore and these are not strictly the problems of the carcasses rather yes these are the issues of the entire russia i did in the gulf as i've said we are going into the caucuses such as it is a very important for us firstly to meet with the representatives of civil society with any other human rights activists in the region and then we need with the president. we've had a meeting with civil society in douglas stan and today we're meeting with the president we've also in the north caucasus of trade. in the north caucuses human rights wally in even a violation. the russian law are often justified by a local tradition it's what we should do you think we should be colognes for local traditions or the russian law should be strictly applied throughout russia.

well actually this is one of the issues that we are going to discuss with the president. with a group with mr pyne had over our working group you know we have thirteen working groups all together in our council in all of them have been working very actively with each in its own area so there is this one group that words on developing ethanol cultural communities. with and professor emil climb in with a renowned expert on ethnic policies he's ahead of his trip by. so to be mr pinewood we'll talk to the president in presenting his working groups view on various problems and ways of resolving them.

and he's working group has quite a number of experts including some specialists from the north caucasus which if the what you want to say so mr klein will tell the president one that relying on local tradition is actually a good thing. it is not like it's something bad is for you which are lying on prominent local leaders. or elite troops or a tribal like leaders so below call plans is good way to kilometer you know we often say that plans are terrible was it but when they were b.c. that we should always make it clear that what we actually mean is criminal plans mafia clans that leave however if it's just their family class. there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. block or says he told finn the author of head

of the presidential council called civil society and human rights spotlight will be back shortly to break we'll continue this until the year in less than a minute so stay with us dale coaxed. him a. good. six. to.

see. him spending the year interact as a military journalist. some ways still in the u.s. contractors there's going to be wasting their time. try not to get killed. i thought all along the length of. my family my. team of twenty seven days in a new place and publicising people invited to the night in the hope leads people started the base of the dialogue. chanting the slogan or waving the sleaziest.

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a reminder that my guest in the studio today is no doubt of head of the presidential council on civil society and human rights this spring for the mischief and out of your meeting with the president scheduled for july fifth will be held as part of a project titled civil society for modernization of russia. is that true. well actually it's not quite so because civil society for modernization of russia is in fact the program for the council's visiting sessions while meeting some with the president or something different and they're simply our main form of work. i have a question there's a government project called phil to say it's not a government project is it now is it your project it is our project the council's project but if you meet the president and you somehow discuss this matter with him all of us perhaps including you ever feeling that it is mainly the government that

is developing civil society in russia it is mostly the president and the prime minister corporate mode in civil society in my rights you see that so then it's wrong. well yes yes of course it's true to some extent and naturally it's wrong. naturally civil society should grew up bottom up. but if we were for it to grow from the grassroots like in western europe say or in north america where civil society really brought a mob but that process took several centuries we don't have the time for this natural growth in the mortgages and that's why we are trying in a sense to apply more than technology and excel aerated sterols look at ways we don't like eating food produced by growth exhilarating to know he's lately genetically modified products do we kill in this case is very important that they

should be genetically modified in a proper way of course so that some really autonomy us and independent structures of civil society could emerge they shouldn't be artificial organizations controlled by the state again and governments any governments create anything they would not control that well the studio is not supposed to create these structures what the state should do is create conditions of the way for the structures to emerge in the regions where you look at them as is this you mean concerned and this is our main task and we are absolutely not interested in creating artificial non-government organizations to please and i can tell you that we are preparing a surprise for a upcoming meeting with the president of the us if you think it's a bill on citizen oversight is a corner because you see we already have

a number of laws related to sit as an oversight including a law on public oversight commissions in prisons for example and this law has been working. for several years now and it is currently being revised the feeling is there is also a law on the public chambre it has also been working for several years in the needs to be modified thought of that but we don't have a framework law for all these forms of citizen oversight. that force what is it that you want to money to or is it by merely law enforcement . and not necessarily what about citizen oversight in the army really needed. our council believes that we definitely need it. and there should be a citizen all always knew the new law on police does have some provisions about citizen our side but we don't have

a framework law what that would define general principles of citizen oversight it's and i was there so this is going to be our proposal to the president and if he accepts it then it will certainly draft this bill and will submit it to the president. i have read that your counsel is about submitting a preliminary report on the underneath the case can you tista disclose part of its conclusions have you seen the report and you know i haven't seen it yet but i know that it's going to consist of three ports one port will be devoted to you the circumstances that led to the death of six game in prison. there are questions related to medical care in prison. whether a day cheney can apply for medical examination and they will but if he is seriously ill he should be in hospital rather than in jail but moreover he should be in

a regular hospital because a prison hospital may not always have the necessary conditions for treating his disease in that i think it's because you know there is a great variety of diseases and there are various clinics to treat them you will go to prison can't have many different clinics that's simply impossible. so that's the first group of issues and actually serious progress has been achieved on this issue and i'm not the referring to the fact that some prison officials were fired. also changed regulations on keeping ill people in pretrial detention facilities. so that's the first part of the report. then the second poured concerns the criminal case against a million skilled in your goal and would deal with. that this is perhaps the

most important part yes there are important issues of whether the criminal case was initiated lawfully whether all the scared to truly quorum and so were observed during the criminal investigation and there are questions about the term of detention appeals and so forth. there are questions related to the investigation and the courtroom ling's based on requests by investigators. so that's the second part and specialists in criminal procedure dealt with this board it's hard for me to say anything about this as i'm not a specialist on criminal procedure and i'm not familiar with all the provisions of law that they refer to. most of it and finally and the third part is about the allegations that actually led to this investigation the allegations

that caused investigators do open a criminal case against sergei magnitsky you mean that he accused them of corruption in the arrested him for that yes i'm referring to those allegations of corruption so that's the third part of the report that we are going to submit to the president. is this report going to be what they call a bombshell what should the media round up and get ready for a sensation. is that. yes well i think that if our report says that the case was open quite lawfully and the investigation was carried out by the he was kept in jail so absolutely according to all the rules and regulations and that he was rendered all necessary medical assistance. then why need this report.

then and that would be a bombshell i see you're right but i think the public is expecting a different report and the report will be based on what the experts are saying we're not on what people are expecting to hear the next. issue or question this one on the case within the next three months the council will produce an independent report on the second case against you cause. why was it necessary to peer an independent report does this mean you think the court's ruling was unjust you know . then why are you doing it's going to put here in the independent reports on each and every case is like s. and we have talked i will instruct my editors to check every word you say you're welcome to do this you may check it i don't mind. you see some cases are high profile. he's trying to get a lot of attention. but he was so in some instances he's necessary to carry out

a public examination of such cases. however we should take into account two points more first this is a non government initiative and second it is purely legal in other words we're not asking our experts if there is a political aspect to this case because otherwise and these questions should be addressed to political analysts are not lawyers but in which the program of the band frankly i don't know how to conduct a political examination. i can comprehend as you get my geno hard to carry out illegal examination as a legal expert myself yuri's so why do we think it is necessary. but first of all it was our initiative we told the president that we would like to carry out such a nongovernmental legal examination if this was during our meeting yet or in berg

on the february first. and then the president told us that since he was not an expert in criminal law because he's an expert in civil law and family law. he said he was not competent enough to bears judgment on this situation. he's just not a specialist in this part of the law. so he said i'm not a specialist in criminal law and a criminal procedure as that is so it would be interesting for me to know what experts in criminal law and criminal procedure say about this case emerge so we found such specialists and actually not only from russia about half of them are from abroad including the united states canada the netherlands finland germany and many other countries all of them specialists in criminal law criminal

procedure sation and so forth through and what's important there are acts brits in russian law that will not that of their respective countries. will do it again so we hope that by early fall we will get older and conclusions and after that we will pass them on to the president put removal we won't edit them we won't make any conclusions instead of the experts we negotiate with we want this examination to be absolutely in. dependent and when you would you deal in should be totally free from any kind of influence do you. think feasible and the experts who are taking part in that examination should confirm to us that they have nothing to do here and have never had anything to do with the case of heart or coffee and loaded it. up with deal so it will really be an

absolutely independent examination of the olam haba. thank you very much i am just remarking that late yesterday was the shelf in the head of the presidential council on civil society and human rights and that's it for now the protocol spotlight will be back with more. comments on what's going on in and outside and so let's stay a party and take it it as .

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