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caucasus region of russia it's aimed at creating close contact between human rights activists and experts. but what else is on the agenda. we'll hear about it from the head of the presidential palace so oddly human rights . movement the council meeting out of moscow allows those involved to take a closer look at local problems because of complains of misunderstandings because as he says locals often speak with their hearts and officials with the red tape and regulations that's why he calls finding a common language crucial first dialogue especially in such an unstable region as the russian caucuses. also thinks doll is the only possible way to finding common ground because as he puts it when people told they don't shoot. me.

thank you very much for being with us kristie regarding the upcoming need. with the presidency sure why did you start organizing these meetings out in the regions why are they better or more convenient for you. as. well by holding those meetings outside a mosque or you're not just meeting with the president but you also get to meet with the representatives of civil society in the corresponding region and learn about their ideas and problems and then to present those ideas to the president or those it representatives could travel to moscow he they're interested in the meeting new. well that's what we did last may. we invited representatives of numerous n.g.o.s from the north caucasus to come to moscow to meet with president medvedev one school of thought when you're in fact only two members of the council. in the soup line and ganesh cannot you

are a famous human rights activists were present in that meeting. in the other council members who weren't at that meeting with the president. at the three issues because again the looking in here in berg on the contrary it was only council members that participated in the meeting with the president on february first. but prior to that meeting. we met with them there is representatives of civil society in the urals. also it is possible to invite several people to moscow for a meeting with the council members that they were to buy new cities. bring a whole full of people bringing several hundred people for a meeting with a total of only forty council members who would be strange to see what sort of

chile and you couldn't get them all in moscow either because you can usually issue numbers certainly besides there is another very important. the way president that it was in the crown land use a very different from the way he's say in your concern berg. really i had the opportunity to make this comparison. i don't know yet how our meeting in stabber apollo is going to be well of course i hope it will be the same way. but i know that in your concern berg we had a lot more time for a free conversation with the president during our meetings in moscow but he said you know of him also you know the kremlin is very official and it makes people tense and nervous. there is something in the air. i believe something should be done about this place. like this do it perhaps

transfer the country's leadership somewhere outside of moscow. actually present in the dead of express this idea no longer cold he proposed moving government offices out of moscow or is my school to think he's burge know just outside the city limits and just build a satellite town for governmental officials somewhere outside moscow but then the road to moscow will always be jammed on the contrary there will be no traffic jams as officials will be staying in that town all the time. they will live and work there it sounds a lot like a leper colony you know i think it's rather like the city of london there is great a london where people live in the city where they were so they keep these two things separate we can have something similar. it would be great if it works are really alike there's a deal which in that this will create

a new environment new atmosphere. more a new government that would then the. presidents or residents will reflect the president's ideas. but i really like this idea. but when we. let's go back to human rights you had a meeting in the north caucasus in june there was a meeting. and another one is coming up in its stead does this mean that the north caucasus is the most troublesome region of russia from the point of view of human rights. well i wouldn't put it this way. he said he wants to be closer to people in their problems certainly did this means they're all in the caucuses well prior to that we met in the year olds does this mean that the urals region is the most troublesome no he treats and has its own human rights related problems which have to be resolved by. this which is the reason we're going

to get carcasses is not just to tackle local problems after we're gone there to tackle russia's problems and in fact international problems. discussing the issue of civil societies involvement in fighting terrorism for example and terrorism unfortunately is an ailment over large number of countries today which. will also discuss the she'll of civil societies involvement in consolidating the interethnic and interests faith harmony. busy issues are relevant not only in the north caucasus at the same problems exist for instance in the cold media. and in moscow but we must therefore these are not strictly the problems of the caucasus were other yes these are the knishes of the entire russia.

as i've said we are going into the caucasus such as it is very important for us first year to meet with the representatives of civil society there any of human rights activists in the region and then we meet with the president. we've had a meeting with civil society in douglas stan and today we're meeting with the president. also in the north caucasus. in the north caucuses human rights violations in even a violation. so the russian law are often justified by local traditions what can we do you think we should be colognes for local traditions or the russian law should be strictly applied throughout russia. well actually this is one of the issues that we are going to discuss with the president . and with you with mr pyne the shadow of our working group you know we have

thirteen working groups all together in our council and all of them have been working very actively each in its own area so there is this one group that works on developing ethno cultural communities. and professor in middle pine area now and expert on the ethnic policies he's ahead of this group by. so. mr pyne with we'll talk to the president in presenting his work in groups view on various problems in ways of resolving them. and you put stuff and he's working group has quite a number of experts including some specialists from the north caucasus which. so mr pyne will tell the president. that relying on local tradition is actually

a good thing. it is not like it's something bad is it was lying on prominent local leaders. truce or a tribal leaders old local clans is good kilometer you know we often say that plans are terror both because it but when they were be say that we should always make it clear that what we actually mean is criminals clams mafia clans that we call every if it's just death family. there is absolutely nothing wrong with that let them. says that new head of the presidential council on civil society and human rights spotlight will be back shortly to break we'll continue this interview in less than a minute so stay with us they'll go. to

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welcome back to spotlight i'm just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is. head of the presidential council on civil society and human rights. commission if you go to your meeting with the president scheduled for july fifth will be held as part of

a project titled civil society for modernization of russia. is that true. well actually it's not quite so because civil society for modernization of russia these impact programs for the council's visiting sessions while meetings with the president are at something different and they're simply our main form of work stuck with money i have a question there's a government project called civil society it's not a government project you know is it your project it is our project the councils project but if you meet the president and you somehow discuss this matter with him all of us perhaps including you have a feeling that it is mainly the government that is developing civil society in russia it is mostly the president and the prime minister promoting civil society and my rights you see that so then it's wrong. well yes yes of

course it's true to some extent and naturally it's wrong. naturally civil society should grew up bottom up. but if we wait for it to grow from the grassroots like in western europe say or in north america where civil society really brought a mob but that process took several centuries and we don't have the time for this natural growth in the mobile that's why we are trying in a sense to apply more than technology and accelerated growth look we don't like eating food produced by growth exhilarating technologies genetically modified products do we still in this case is very important that they should be genetically modified in a proper way of course so that some really autonomy us and independence structures of civil society could emerge they shouldn't be artificial organizations controlled

by the state governments or any governments create anything they would not control that well the state is not supposed to create these structures what the state should do is create conditions for these structures to emerge in the regions that. is this you mean concerned this is our main task and we're absolutely not interested in creating artificial non-governmental organizations please and i can tell you that we are preparing a surprise for our upcoming meeting with the president i think it's a bill on citizen oversight as a corner because you see we already have a number of laws related to citizen oversight including a law on public oversight commissions in prisons for example this law has been working. for several years now and it is currently being revised there is also

a law on the public chambre it has also been working for several years and it needs to be modified. but we don't have a framework law for all these forms of citizen oversight. for what is it that you want to money to or is it primarily a law enforcement option and not necessarily what about citizen oversight in the army julie needed. our counsel believes that we definitely need it. and there should be a citizen always always knew the new law on police does have some provisions about citizen oversight but we don't have a framework law what that would define general principles of citizen all oversight and i was there so this is going to be our proposal to the president and

if he accepts it then he will certainly draft this bill and i will submit it to the president. i have read that your counsel is about submit a preliminary report on the magnitsky case can you tista disclose part of its conclusions have you seen the report yet you know i haven't seen it but i know that it's going to consist of three parts. one port will be devoted to the circumstances that led to the death of said game in prison. there are questions related to medical care in prison whether a day teenie can apply for medical examination and if he is seriously ill he should be in hospital rather than. moreover he should be in a regular hospital because a prison hospital may not always have the necessary conditions for treating his disease when the markets because you know there is

a great variety of diseases and there are various clinics to treat them. in prison cannot have many different clinics that's simply impossible. so that's the first group of issues and actually serious progress has been achieved on this issue and i'm not to referring to the fact that some prison officials were fired but they have also changed the regulations on keeping people in pretrial detention facilities. so that's the first part of their report. then the second poured concerns in the criminal case against magnitsky that was we're doing yoga little new deal with russia and you might get that this is perhaps the most important part yes there are important issues of whether the criminal case was initiated lawfully whether all the statutory requirements were observed in during

the criminal investigation and there are questions about the term of detention and appeals and so forth at the. there are questions related to the investigation and the court rulings based on requests by investigators. so that's the second part then a specialist sent criminal procedure. dealt with this board it's hard for me to say anything about this as i'm not a specialist on criminal procedure and i'm not familiar with all the provisions of law that they refer to. and finally and the third bar is about the allegations that actually led to this investigation the allegations that cause dean investigators to open a criminal case against. you mean that he accused them of corruption in the

arrested him for that yes i'm referring to those oleg asians of corruption so that's the third part of the report that we're going to submit to the president. is this report going to be what they call a bombshell should the media round up and get ready for a sensation. yes well i think that if our report says that the case was opened quite lawfully and the investigation was carried out by. captain cheryl absolutely cording to all the rules and regulations that he was rendered all necessary medical assistance. then why make this report. and then that would be a bombshell because i see you're right i think the public is expecting a different report and the report will be based on what the experts are saying not on what people are expecting to hear. one more question and this one on the case

within the next few months your counsel will produce an independent report on the second case against you cause. why was it necessary to be via an independent report does this mean you think the court's ruling was unjust. then why are you doing it's going to put the independent report. in each and every case we have talked i will instruct me editors to check every word you say you're welcome to do this you may check it i don't mind. you see some cases are high profile they get a lot of attention. but it was so in some instances he is necessary to carry out a public examination of such cases. however we should take into account two points. first this is a non government initiative and second it is purely legal in other words we're

not asking our experts if there is a political aspect to this case because otherwise these questions should be addressed to political analysts not lawyers but that was the background and frankly i don't know how to conduct a political examination. i can't comprehend this but i do know how to carry out a legal examination as a legal expert myself so why do we think it is necessary but first of all it was our initiative we told the president that we would like to carry out such a nongovernmental legal examination that this was during our meeting in your concern berg on the february first. and then the president told us that since he was not an expert in criminal law because he's an expert in civil law and family

law. he said he was not competent enough to best judgment on this situation. he's just not a specialist in this part of the law. so he said i'm not a specialist in criminal law and criminal procedure thirty's so it would be interesting for me to know what experts in criminal law that any criminal procedure say about this case. so we found such specialists and actually not only from russia in about half of them all from abroad including the united states canada the netherlands finland germany and many other countries all of them specialists in criminal law criminal procedure sation and so forth and what's important there are x. ports in russian law not that of their respective countries. so

we hope that by early fall two more will get older and conclusions and after that you will pass them on to the president. we won't edit it down we won't make any conclusions instead of the experts we negotiate with we want this examination to be absolutely into. pendent when you would you ideally it should be taught only free from any kind of influence you. and the experts who are taking part in that examination should confirm to us that they have nothing to do you have never had anything to do with a case of hot or coffee and love it as. so it will really be absolutely independent examination of them because the school thank you very much and just remarking that late yesterday was the code of the presidential council on

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