markets why not canada. find out what's really happening to the global economy with max conjure for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into a report. there isn't a single british official in parliament or in the intelligence services who could give you the full picture the court is talking in this space is a little piece of the usa in the military industrial complex puzzle but is it really worth the money when the well is running dry. you spend more money on incarceration and at the same time some less money on education that's a perfect recipe for disaster sentenced to death at a price of three hundred billion dollars ahead so could help for new blood loss making the state broke. and one state's money problems have shut it down closed for business completely so could what's happened in minnesota before counting rough

skies ahead for washington. it's tuesday july fifth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine friends out there watching our team. start off this evening with a story of a top secret u.s. military base said to be the largest electronic monitoring station in the world a missile defense shield similar to the star wars project it's called menwith hill located in north yorkshire in the united kingdom and while it's been around since the one nine hundred fifty s. it has greatly expanded over the last few years and a price tag of ten billion dollars so what's it all for and is it really worth it and it's time when the u.s. is experiencing such massive debt r.g.s. laura ament paid a visit to the area and gives us a firsthand look at how many people in the area feel about the base. here it's

a little piece of america in the heart of the u.k. so yorkshire dales where it's britons who are demanding independence from america this symbolizes what's wrong with the special relationship between states here we have a base u.s. control which the british government. have no control menwith hill is the largest intel gathering and surveillance space outside the us there are thirty two satellite dishes housed inside the huge golf ball structures which can eavesdrop on telephone calls faxes and e-mails from around the world it's been operational since the one nine hundred sixty s. but now it's set to become part of the controversial missile defense shield to alert the u.s. to any launch of ballistic missiles as in poland and the czech republic where the u.s. also plan to site places locals who worry that having

a facility here will put the area in danger heightening the risk of an attack by anyone who wants to disable the shield but unlike in eastern europe the government here has put up no fight at all in fact it doesn't even know what goes on here there isn't a single british official in parliament or in the intelligence services who could give you a full picture of what is happening in this space it's the culmination of former u.s. president ronald reagan's dream as his statue was unveiled in london on monday menwith hill import duties with reagan in busiest in the early warning missile detection system that was dubbed the star wars program it's secretive based far away from u.s. soil and some say it's a step towards the u.s. domination and militarization of space people demonstrate here campaigning for the closure of this space and the others like it around the country they want to reclaim this land and bring it back under the control of the british government and

its people it's not working though as men. with hill becomes part of the missile defense shield it's building another cold satellite structure bringing the total to thirty three despite local and national opposition growing not richie's think that u.s. influence in europe. menwith hill yorkshire. so just one example of where the money is going at a time when many could argue this country doesn't have the money to spend i would you want to go deeper into this conversation and to help me do that let's go to jacob foreign burger president of the future of freedom foundation and jacob good to have you we just saw a report where we saw one of the world's most expensive military bases to intercept . things in europe what are some of the pros and cons of this project do you think i don't see any pros at all i mean as you pointed out this country is in a serious crisis with respect to spending and borrowing if there was anything that should be cut it's a project that stems back to the cold war when the u.s.

government was overly concerned about the listed missiles coming from the soviet union told me or it's been over for quite some time and yet we can see how these empire military projects go on and on and on i mean it's not just this we see it with nato whose original mission was to protect from a soviet attack i mean this show you the problem that the warfare state causes for the american people and i should say you know very few people are talking about even know about this space in the u.k. for people who do talk about it i mean there's there's people who do make decisions how do those people. find it worth it find it beneficial to continue with projects like this especially since you know this is been around for a while but the major expansion of it has just been taking place over the last couple of decades why do you think they decided this was worth it. i think it's you know it's impossible to say because the thing is shrouded in secrecy but my hunch

is that it's this typical bureaucratic mindset that once you get things going then you've got contractors that are on the dole dependent on the money that it just it is no stopping it and since nobody's really a watchdog watching over these kind of top secret operations. why should they stop i mean this is big money and power expansion of the military the military industrial complex and why is one reason why maybe they should stop you know a lot of people who live in the u.k. claim the presence of this base and this you know technology heightens the risk of an attack on the u.k. by those with an interest in wanting to disable america's missile detection system you know other critics are angry that despite being in its country the u.s. keeps u.k. officials in the dark about you know what goes on here like you said it's for out in secrecy. why can the u.s. do this work clearly great britain wanting to put one of their bases here but certainly not yield the same freedoms. well no i mean that you know it's not

a two two way street here that i recall as an aside the president of bolivia once said when they asked him to put a u.s. military base there he said all alone here when we can put our bolivian base in the united states clearly that would not be acceptable to u.s. officials and you're right the british people should be complaining but you know this is all going on during the cold war when it was argued that although the missiles from the soviet union would be striking that britain first to knock out those installations there is no threat here there is no intercontinental ballistic missile threat here this is all cold war project and the british people ought to just be saying you know i'm of the country you know we don't need this kind of militarism here in great britain another concern there is simply that you know this is the militarization of space and is this really necessary you know we can take a back and money issue but is this really necessary to day how do you think you

know once this becomes a more well known story what will the people say who are in charge of this project why it's needed. other problems bring up all of ronald reagan's star wars argument you know as to how why we need an anti ballistic missile shield around the united states i mean all the all the arguments that are dated by twenty years i mean some of these people are still living under the old cold war mentality that you know the soviet union my rise that began to become a threat to me is ridiculous but it is traditionally when we're about going bankrupt it is ridiculous taken but there are a lot of people who you know might not be as concerned about you know russia right now but they're concerned about other places and they say you know the u.s. needs to you know they're less in a sense i guess less ignorant about the fact that other countries have a vested interest in you know hurting the united states so a lot of people say you know we do need this we need to make sure we need to keep these countries in check even if some of them are in europe what do you say to

those people. the only countries that are really angry at the united states are those in which the u.s. is interfering with the internal affairs of those countries either with bombs or invasions occupations and you know i don't there are a thousand military bases around the world in terms of occupation that's a lot of bases. well that's right those are u.s. bases but that's what creates the anger in the anti american sentiment if the u.s. just dismantle those bases we find that we're living in a very harmonious world where there is no military threat against the united states no nation state has the money i mean we're broke but everybody's broke or the military means to attack and invade the united states this is the time that we should be capitalizing on dismantling the military industrial complex the for an overseas empire and establishing a peaceful harmonious society with the rest of the world but jacob let's be realistic here i mean do you see this happening to you see the u.s.

dismantling these bases i mean even in places where clearly this country is not wanted there even some of the smaller bases to pay. and. the military industrial complex is a powerful entity how realistic is that and i think it's a great idea but do you think it's realistic at all well you know not not today because you you you're right you have this coalition of interest in the congressional military industrial complex you have a lot of people that are on the ball but look now there's a lot of people questioning this thing and you can see that in the political arena with people like ron paul and gary johnson that are now raising these ideas to public prominence and i think people are now generally in the private sector are questioning a lot of things in this country especially when they see bankruptcy louima horizon now right well certainly that's one of our goals here at our tears just to bring these discussions forth the ones that especially are not being had taken former thanks so much for speaking with us thank you well let's take

a look now at get another place massive amounts of money are being spent we're talking taxpayer dollars your money going to kill people in a practice outlawed in almost all western democracies in the world except this one i'm talking of course about the death penalty and some appalling new facts and figures that could make even the most staunch advocate ask this question is housing and then executing the worst criminals really worth it hardly correspondent ramon go indo shows us how california is pouring tax dollars down the death penalty drain . he fell for each murder conviction and eventually suffer the death valley convicted killer jonathan for heart oh is one of the latest additions to california's death row for the family of the hardest victim is that sentence gives them a sense of justice served. for that much. but there is

a high price for society's desire for retribution three hundred million dollars per executed prisoner since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight thirteen inmates have been put to death and some four billion dollars have been spent on california's death row according to a newly released study with more than seven hundred inmates still waiting to be executed that cost is expected to jump to ninety billion dollars by twenty thirty years voters in this state have consistently shown their approval for the death penalty at the polls now your argument over whether to keep point money and people into death row comes at a time when the state is dealing with a massive budget shortfall of some twenty five billion dollars leaving many to argue the death penalty is a luxury the cash strapped state can no longer afford with so many to face that could push you towards the sort of. put that but it's

a different program for the better the streets as far for you as horse like or. you can say housing programs for the homeless all areas facing deep cuts as money is short in one of riverside's middle class neighborhoods school construction is complete but there is no money to operate it so it remains empty they cost more to keep one person in prison in the state of california and it doesn't send a kid to u.s.c. for example by the university so what it says is the state is more than willing to spend money on our communities but it's to imprison. communities a short sighted policy according to ron go chose was a community organizer sees the human cause of the economic crisis up close if you have a higher unemployment rate and you spend more money on incarceration and at the same time send less money on education that's a perfect recipe for disaster well capital punishment is meant to deter the most

heinous of crimes it one of los angeles's poorest and most crime ridden neighborhoods the debate is still not settled over whether it's even working like it is a change in these criminal or hard you know that they don't care what's going on with rules or are they going to break them they will see anybody i mean that's i didn't make that people my scared to death penalty don't really want to go to you know i say keep it where it is a waste of money no it's not waste the money nevertheless a bill to abolish the death penalty has been introduced in the state legislature well that issue remains a more one for many the final verdict may be one based on overwhelming financial evidence. in los angeles. archie so these numbers beg the question does it make sense to keep the death penalty what it or hate it california is a state with and the worst financial problems in the country and then flawed to be

spending so much on something that voters may want but it's literally bankrupting them and most states are struggling right now so when are places where capital punishment is legal does that actually deter crime so much that it's economically viable to continue to keep it around well to help they go a little deeper here i want to bring in michael rupert the c.e.o. of collapse now we're in the bathtub or california. and i'm michael i want to reiterate really quick for the viewers some of the numbers here since one thousand family a pair of been thirteen executions in the state of california. each of those prisoners has cost the state three hundred million dollars since two thousand and six there have been virile executions and a death penalty prosecutions cost up to twenty times as much as life without parole case so i guess i'm wondering why this goes on still. well we have this illusion that we we have

a facade to maintain here we have to convince people that society is still running the way that we all thought it was supposed to run we have to kind of believe that the law is working although it's clearly not all around the country but that's a very expensive proposition but the bottom was this what's happening in california is the same is happening in greece and everywhere these cuts now are just the beginning of more draconian cuts and they're based on wildly optimistic projections of future income as far as the death penalty goes it's what's more likely i think is that we're going to see california just start to open the gates of prisons and let people out and eventually that they may have to do that with the death row people or just just brought them up against the wall i don't know how it's going to play but it seems to me i mean in some ways the prisons are they certainly cost taxpayers a lot of money that there's a lot of power in this you know prison industrial complex as some people like to call it you know the building of more prisons to keep these companies continuing to

be successful and then lawmakers can use that sort of tough on crime notion to continue to get reelected and people favor more prisons how do we change this you know the whole way this is all looked at i don't know that it can be changed all the great noble efforts to do that for a long time a failed i was writing about the prison industrial complex a decade ago but nonetheless here we go to greece again as an example privatization is is going to be the inevitable answer to all of these questions the state cuts. cuts its budget and outsource is to private companies whose only motive is profit and believe you know what is going to get treated any better and a lot more money will change hands from the public to the rich bankers and the senior debt holders likely users that some of the best ideas for sort of how to change this have already sort of been tried what were some of those good ideas. well there's been

a very active movement against the prison industrial complex focused on corporations like and hot and corrections corporation of america when i was involved in this with congresswoman cynthia mckinney and many others back in the late ninety's and early two thousand are quite a bit of attention was drawn to the fact that these companies traded their stock based upon the number of people with bets that they own which commodity prices crime it's stupid but aside from that all these efforts were very sincere but there was pretty much next to nothing and there's an old saying that insanity is repeating the same action expecting different results to try to go through the political process now to change what's happening i think is wasted energy i know i've done stories about this michel and we have at least one c.c.i. the company you mentioned one of those prisons i recently interviewed one of the members of the angola three who was actually freed and then we have a state like illinois it's another good example of contrast to california and the

capital punishment there was repealed that's they also they said more than sixty eight million dollars in damages to you know the fifteen men who are in exonerated they were wrongly convicted and sentenced to death but when we see these kinds of things happening time and time again people who were going to go to the electric chair and yet didn't even commit the crime i mean it isn't fat don't you think that that over time at least could be evidence enough to sort of change these patterns. you know i would love to change the patterns but i'm you know i'm i'm schooled in school of what i see rather than what i hear and. the big banks are now laying off staff and now the legal industry is being forced to suffer cutbacks and his income as well if he's later stages of cannibalism here i wish i had some optimism that this could be changed. jerry brown might be the guy in california to

remove the death penalty here which i would be in favor of let's just go back you know we we are spending the entire day today talking about money and sort of the different ways in which this country is bleeding money some some ways in which people don't even really realize let's take this back to california to this system that is clearly so expensive how do lawmakers continue to make the case to voters that this is worth it. well lawmakers anybody who is in a role of responsibility or governing now public or private is walking a knife between what they can do and the image that they're supposed to maintain as opposed to a reality that's roading under them governments are collapsing everywhere and we're going to see state governments collapse michigan minnesota shut down at this minute and as that continues to happen. effort will be made to keep up appearances and

what the politicians believe they need to reassure the public about it that the legal system is working and work in care of your rights and i think they'll maintain that charade as long as they possibly can but certainly an interesting study that brought forth some of the stats and facts and figures on something interesting to mention to the few people behind the study one of them is in favor of the death penalty one of them is not they just wanted to see sort of the financial viability sometimes those are the arguments that hit home the most and you just look at the numbers michael thanks so much michael. of collapse network. all right well the holiday may be over but the state of minnesota is still closed for business and what is now day five of the government shutdown and this is a familiar story one we've seem to be hearing time and time again in the recent weeks where the governor a democrat and a legislature controlled by republicans have not been able to come to an agreement on the budget talks broke down on thursday night and the government has been shutdown ever since so what does that actually. sixty six state parks and six

recreation areas are closed terrible news for many families over the weekend who would have wanted to picnic or barbecue that highway restaurants are closed the minnesota zoo closed event visitors although we are told the animals are being cared for at the capitol is closed to the public and in a time of terrible unemployment already twenty two thousand government workers got layoff notices so this is a state shutdown one not unlike the one we're seeing here in washington regarding the national debt crisis and the battle over raising the debt ceiling i hit a wall when several republican lawmakers dropped out of negotiations saying raising any taxes was off the table president obama spoke about the progress today saying there was a little made but also reiterated his notion that it needs to involve compromise on both sides we need to take on spending in domestic programs in defense programs in title and programs and we need to take on spending in the.

spending on certain tax breaks and deductions for the wealthiest americans so is what happened what's happening in minnesota a sign of things to come well earlier i spoke to the miller he's the political reporter for the business insider i asked him if there's a connection between what happened in minnesota and the federal budget battle that is currently underway here's his response. i think you're one hundred percent right this is a we're seeing a lot what we're seeing in minnesota is going on across the country in washington as well republicans across the country that were elected last year in november with a mandate for smaller government to keep to cost or not increase taxes democrats on the other and increase spending want to make sure that any cuts choose government go disproportionately impacted the least fortunate this is so interesting around the country and in washington the only thing that's different is that the stakes are higher instead of the government shutting down for. five days now that you know

it could be the government for helping on its debt obligations which could be catastrophic to economic recovery i'm wondering just your take i know you cover this for the business insider kind of different aspects of this why do you think republicans are so i'm willing to budge on taxes even when you know the large majority of their constituencies wouldn't be unhappy that whatsoever. i mean i think that's a question you often hear democrats asking of republicans but really what we're seeing is two different visions of minnesota or visions for the different it's the united states of america presented in these talks the question is should government be larger and take care of take care of all that citizens and should their government better or smaller government better self-reliance more important as republicans will offer and this is an age old problem that comes up every time the state budget negotiators but it's times like this when you see large deficits

minnesota has a five billion dollars deficit to close this year that these really come to a head and that's what we're seeing here it's you it's two different visions for for the state and for the country i think that's an important way to look at a different vision minnesota seems to be also another example of politics really coming into play here i mean it's i think in my mind you know a budget that seems to be number crunching you know that's some trash but we can't do it and what we can but here we have in minnesota the republicans gave the governor an outline saying you know they didn't are willing to play ball here if the governor does things like banning stem cell research setting up a harsher restrictions on abortion eliminating the right by teachers to strike i mean this is not just adding up a math problem here nor do any budget seem to be lately how did we get here. i mean this is again something that happens in every budgeting process in the states especially in the federal government it doesn't happen as often because of stricter parliamentary rules but in the states like missouri you're seeing you see deal

making happened in this budget issue is that they want to bring in other issues like abortion like union rules or some other or other things and that happens all the time and again it really only comes to a head when these issues when you when you come to a shutdown but the same sorts as it is were happening you know cross fifty states of the past two or three months and a good number of them over the past week and a half to. create new budgets and avoid a shutdown on february first and unfortunately minnesota was not able to reach an agreement i mean this happens everywhere i'm wondering though to why is it always kind of the same two issues i mean maybe it's just everything with the enormous success of the tea party but it seems to be always spending and taxes spending and tax that. why does these two actions why is it the thing. i mean really there aren't any other options you know you have a deficit in the study of a five billion dollar deficit for the year and the only options at your disposal

are really the only real options at your disposal are cutting spending or raising taxes they floated on different payment plans for paying school paying school funding to pay it the following year and pays the school year twenty thirteen instead of the current the new fiscal year fiscal year twelve but those are real solutions to the systemic problems facing the you know that minnesota faces or that the federal government has yet to choose you know do you want to bigger government you want smaller government and then where do you cut do you cut to social you cut social services or do you cut. education or do you. think i mean this is really there really is no other way to solve this problem than one of those two options a lot of lawmakers here in washington keeping an eye on minnesota keeping an eye on what's going on there what do you study or a lawmaker as you know senator congress what do they learn from what's happened in . federal lawmakers are paying very close attention to how minnesota

minnesota. the people of minnesota are reacting to the shutdown are they upset are they supportive of their legislators i mean are they are they if that's the case if they are supportive of their legislators who are staking staking out their positions then you will give them an indication that maybe they can go up to the brakes on the debt ceiling negotiations you know that are better do that they have done for four weeks from today but you know if the public is so sure isn't so supportive about this sort of sort of these brinksmanship tactics then you might see lawmakers try to make a deal earlier to have sort of voice the backlash from the public and it all comes out we're still seeing how this coming is coming out and it was for five days and now over a holiday weekend the backlash really hasn't started the stretch i'm going to continue until thursday at least and really by then we'll have an indication of how this will play out in minnesota and throughout the nation at large and really interesting too because they've formed this bipartisan commission in minnesota

today you know they're back at the table sounds familiar but it seems that so far nobody seems to be budging on their position i guess if you could just say and you know one or two sentences or less what you see happening you said thursday do you think republicans will budge on taxes. i think it all comes down to how the public sees the shutdown if polls come out this week saying that the public really does not want to shutdown anymore you're not going to see the republican budget taxes or market or market in budging i'm not sure i'm not sure which way this is going to come back but i think we'll have to watch them closely of the next week or so all right interesting figure given all the credit to the voters based on the polls these miller political reporter for the business insider in our new york city grabbing a. and that's going to do it for now for more on the stories we covered by our web site r g dot com slash usa also check out our you tube page.