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world leader is the only one of the three words are our good white house chris thanks so much for joining us tonight. well still ahead tonight we have our tuesday edition of show intel and congress the back in session but can they agree on a deal to raise the debt ceiling or is the u.s. on a collision course for another economic collapse going back to just an. emission free printing free storage. the maintenance free. three stooges free. old free blogging live video for your media project a free media dog our teeth on tom. ridge
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or the headline that. does not i'm good it's been fun is in the trying to get a visa free zone reintroducing the controls of the time to hear a single journey where a minister has aged one a day made his voice call to its neighbor some baby abandonment to the bedroom of the you could mean the start of more trouble distractions to come else waiting to be. done short of the benevolent disposal for the deaths of three muslims and distributing some months ago ninety nine to five of the country's peacekeepers it was an out of the un protected compound into the hands of bosnian said troops. stations to the pay to relatives of some continued legal action against the immunity held by the who are treated. say should have been on trying to get.
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underneath it claims to have been intercepted see by soldiers with belgian and weapons intended for the rebels something major is breaking the un in a bottle and sending them to the country officials said the weapons came from cancer but the only country openly admitting to supply domes that is the edge. of the headlines now back to washington d.c. and the international. time for show and tell on tonight's program now last time i wanted your opinion on congress cutting social security and medicare benefits and we asked if congress ever did make those cuts when americans finally take to the streets and protest just like we saw in the u.k. over austerity measures last week let's go to producer patrice in a sense you to find out what you have to say. people in america well they haven't
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been known for their spontaneous protest of government decisions and if and when they do occur they're usually long planned heavily publicized major media events and what will happen if the u.s. decides to cut social security and medicare people take to the streets or not only take a look at a probable reaction from an older american yes that can happen and while cutting pensions in the u.k. resulted in major unifying protests the full extent of any protests in the u.s. alone and may only amount to that. ok well matt mosley from the u.k. said americans are too brain warped into caring about american idol and about serious issues so much dave had a similar opinion take to the streets he said and mr you think you could dance tell me well contrary to what you very said there are some of you out there who do care and he said i think they would take a look at what happened in wisconsin dells said once americans wake up to what the
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government is doing with our tax dollars so people in this country will get off their lazy asses and start fighting back guerrilla fighter you hit it right on the head social security medicare in the us impacts the elderly not the same demographic affected in the u.k. unlike the u.k. here in the us these issues don't impact young people so if there's going to be any protest it will be up to older people in this country to start a movement now they probably. take to the streets but they are the ones who usually come out to vote so maybe that's what congress should start worrying about. thanks for giving us your input and here's our next question for you earlier we shed light on a u.n. report that shows the violence in afghanistan is sort of in the last year something that directly contradicted what some u.s. military officials have said so who's telling the truth let us know what you think do you believe the u.n. or u.s. military officials when it comes to measuring violence and death in afghanistan you
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can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and who knows your response just might make it on air. now we make a consistent effort to call out police departments across the country who are out of line overly aggressive and abusive but today we'd like to tell you about a police department who seems to be condoning it misconduct a month their own it's the los angeles police department so you new article from the l.a. times highlights a fairly new procedure where any cop who acts out of line is now just going to receive a conditional official reprimand rather than the traditional suspension without pay punishment why is this a big deal well how about because this reprimand is nothing but a warning just a verbal no between the officer and his supervisor the more serious repercussions would be coming in the future if it happens again now it's even more shocking is the fact that this is happening at the l.a.p.d. which let's face it has a less than perfect track record when it comes to law abiding cops in fact apart report shows that between the years two thousand and eight and two thousand and ten
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twenty two officers in civilian employees engaged in drunk driving six employees engaged in domestic disputes to use an authorized force and four have been caught with false imprisonment and something tells me that probably a lot higher than that and in all of those instances the employee's got a mere conditional of fishel reprimand meaning no real punishment so as you can imagine the civilian panel who oversees the l.a.p.d. is outraged over this because they have common sense because they recognize the fact that a conditional reprimand is not is the same as an actual punishment now in the past of an officer gone trouble he or she would be suspended without pay and that's supposed to give the officers some time to think hard about what they did wrong to prevent it from happening again meanwhile just think of this if a child misbehaves gets caught and gets a reprimand will he be likely to repeat his mistake most likely and forgive me for making the comparison to a child but i doubt a police officer is going to be deterred from committing the same act if he gets is
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a little reprimand or a little slap on the wrist and in fact look at these numbers in two thousand and eight fourteen. conditional reprimands were given meanwhile one hundred nine were given in two thousand and ten so gone are the days where cops lead by example here come more incidents where law enforcement will write fully believe that they're above the law when they do something wrong and there will be no consequences when that happens now could you imagine what would happen if this mess of a method was in place when the l.a.p.d. broke loose on rodney king do you remember back in one thousand nine hundred one when cops beat king mercilessly and then three of the four officers were acquitted in court now that's the most famous example but it's still just scratching the surface there are so many more incidents that have happened without any police being held responsible we report them to you all the dime so i think that's safe to say that this method probably isn't going to work and the evidence will be in the next group of statistics that will come out with even more of these reprimands being issued to l.a.p.d. employees and more police just getting away with things like excessive force and
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false imprisonment ain't that great. well here we are just weeks away from the august second deadline to raise the debt ceiling before a default that economists across the board and treasury secretary tim geithner predicted would be of catastrophic proportions and that congress still got nowhere and the president had to even step in again and he made a speech today reminding that they actually do have a job to do. i've heard of course that there may be some in congress who want to do just enough to make sure that america avoids defaulting on our debt in the short term but then wants to kick the can down the road when it comes to solving the larger problem of our deficit i don't share that view i don't think the american people here sent us here to avoid tough problems that's in fact what drives them nuts about washington. that's right that's what drives people nuts
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about washington but so is it that congress really hasn't gotten anywhere or is it just that republicans don't want to get there the democrats in the white house have conceded they're willing to make four trillion dollars in cuts in the next twelve years to reduce the deficit they're willing to cut tens of billions of dollars from medicare and medicaid and all they ask is for just a tiny little bit of compromise in return for republicans but they put their foot down on the issue of raising taxes which for the most part of this point means not ending any subsidies david brooks called as the mother of no brainers but for some reason they're not willing to play so this when you really have to ask what the hell is wrong with the republican party joining me to discuss this is james poole los host of the bottom line and reform school on p.j. t.v. james thanks so much for joining us tonight. i got to ask. you will you answer my question what is what is wrong with the republicans i just don't understand what is going on with them why don't they want to compromise or do anything or work why do they just dig their heels in the sand it just doesn't make sense to me. because
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they're winning because they're good she's treasury is it it's actually it's actually what you're getting what they want they think they can get more until they feel like they've reached only to be sure turns they're not there yet but isn't their entire job i mean is it really a winning and losing situation if you're a congress of your lawmakers are supposed to do with the best for the country and every now and then that means a little bit compromise is supposed to be involved it's not just one side takes all on the other loses all. well. it's a nice idea and sometimes it actually works i think that you know both sides are playing with fire right now and they know it and this is what hardball politics is all about we all hope that it's going to come to get to the finish line before we get off if you're and before we default i think that most people agree that the doubt would be ideal but until then you know we're going to see a little bit more hardball i think that we're nearing an agreement i think that republicans are soon going to be presented with a deal that is nothing that should probably take but what's going to be good enough and what more do they need at this point right the white house already said that
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they'll cut billions of dollars like i said for medicare and for medicaid they're willing to take four trillion dollars out of the deficit over the next twelve years and they're touching those sacred cows that americans really don't want got at the end of the day that they really don't want to touch what more can they possibly get . well americans might not want them gone but they certainly want to attack wilson's home problem and you can see democrats like joe lieberman like chuck schumer saying yes we're more than willing to tackle medicare medicaid we can't see these programs as they are from want to say that you have to choose them i think that's in the mainstream american in much the congress and among peoples all you know what you're right the democrats have made some serious concessions big concessions republicans which is only natural considering republicans control congress. the question here is what's to be done about subsidies and there are some republicans who think hey the subsidies there they function like tax cuts so you should treat them like taxes taken away sort of as a tax hike i don't really buy that argument i think that if republicans want a deal that's even better than the deal that it's coming together right now i think
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they can get it and happy with the hard ball the stick seriously the subsidies and say themselves what's more conservative what's more along is constitutional principles propping up a huge is regime of subsidies that traps us in a way a government that makes huge amounts of spending and growing government control necessity or this other room where we can sacrifice these things can get guns oh i wish the everybody could look to you know those they think republican principle and the way that you can and you know perhaps realize that that's supposed to be what they abide by that isn't hypocritical but i think of course we are so much money involved from all these industries when it comes to lobbying that nobody wants to get rid of subsidies everyone's too scared to of course take on you know things like they go all out there is that what happens. well the money makes the difference of course you've got the oil companies out there but we're talking about here is poverty and increasing number of republicans are actually trying to be comfortable throwing this term around used to be the province of the ron paul and the libertarians on what used to be the fringe of the fringe anymore it's a good thing to have in our politics is becoming more radical in
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a bad sense is it will start to wake up to the one which corporatists interest in church corporatism on both sides but flagrantly on the side of democrats as a rock bottom and an administration that claimed going in that it would be something other than what it is just totally unlocked for days now we're starting to see a moment where people are looking at corporations looking at the kind of subsidies they're getting and saying wait a minute maybe we should turn back now i want to underscore this point the tea party is starting to get some criticism here people are starting to claim and you mention the david brooks piece oh this is an abnormal party it's captive to these crazy tea partiers these out of control rubes that's not what's driving this desire to treat subsidies like tyson's is grover norquist it's wall street economists it's people in the republican party who are big business friendly and don't want to lose this program this is not a tea party thing in the i'm ok but does it still mean the if you meant you know we brought up the david brooks piece again is that still man the republican party isn't a normal party anymore when it's people like covering our requests and when it's wall street the dictates their every move. well you know i don't think they're
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dictate its every move i think that it's the company of a powerful constituency and over a period of decades now that wing of the republican party has managed one to do some things we should actually been very good not just good for the party but i think you know good for for republican voters and good for the country as a whole but you know it comes to a point where you reach this turning point with the economic crisis you get to take a fresh look at the fundamental infrastructure of this country our political economy is still and you know those same old answers don't really work as well as they used to now i also want to go back to another point there brooks made where he said that the republican party if they do allow us to deep on the debt has no loral decency because you you know you say in good faith when you borrow money from somebody they're going to return her debts and so what happens that you know if they actually allow the government to default on its debt are they putting the entire you know honor of the nation at stake here well i don't know about the nations on earth but look if you want to start throwing around accusations of moral and just in decency you're playing craps even more dangerous then then that rescue
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ship here that we're seeing with the debt deal is that the democrats are perfectly open as an interest of the kids if not more so the accusation that hey you're just in your seat on title means you won't do a thing you won't lift a finger you know where these things are going every time someone tries to impose serious cuts or take a second look at the fundamentals of these programs you pull up the last card you pull out the race card you pull out oh people are suffering anymore someone is suffering if that's ever been increased by some you know unit of suffering whatever that may well have a lot of suffering on around let me out of here but now the white house is saying that they're willing to cut entitlements and i want to play one clip very quickly from rand paul take a look. art of talking about extraneous issues we've had not one minute of debate about the debt ceiling in any committee we haven't had a budget in two years we haven't had an appropriations bill in two years so i'm part of the freshman group in the senate that saying no more we're not going to let him go to any issue if we have a say in it so next week we will filibuster and till we talk about the debt ceiling
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until. now what do you say to that idea how about just doing your job not taking it down to the wire playing politics and he's saying i'm going to filibuster anything else get this damn debt vote done. ok well a couple things first of all filibustering is part of a senator's job i want to go back quickly to what you said about yes you know barack obama is willing to make these sort of concessions democrats are willing to do this i think that's great and i think they should be commended for it of course you know in politics you get the double talk you get the rhetoric to your base that looks like republicans hate poor people they want americans to suffer and then when you're behind closed doors negotiations you get a completely different story so that's part of the equation but you know you're right about rand paul i don't mind filibustering i don't mind you know sticking to principles it just so happens that in the case of rand paul here a balanced budget amendment is not the right principle it just said it before i'll set it i'll say it again as a balanced budget amendment is like treating you know so-called sex addiction by hacking off your own penis it's unnecessary the disease is not real there's
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a better way and we don't need to hard wire this in the constitution reagan had this hard word in the constitution but he would have been a river without a paddle there's a better way to do it totally willing to let rand paul or any senator in the senate filibuster it when it matters to them but he's wrong and obviously it matters to him but thank you so much for leaving us with that beautiful image in our minds for him thanks so much and it's. still to come tonight we give our tool final war to a political news organization first and very sloppy writing and stick around for happy hour tabloid is accused of hacking a missing girl found at a fox news gets hacked over the weekend after tomorrow. we'll. bring you the latest in science and technology from around the world.
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hardest time for tonight's tool time award and tonight it goes to hold that's why the d.c. based news outlet is a must read for policy wonks inside the beltway they break a lot of stories and over the weekend they posted a report about two thousand and twelve presidential candidate herman cain season having a few problems with the staff in iowa and in their reporting political road in a very odd light at. read the move which shakes the campaign of the tea party favorite into turmoil in a state where he's staking much of his two thousand and twelve hopes comes after weeks of swirling rumors between cain staff and volunteers in the hawkeye state accusing each other of affairs homosexuality and professional misconduct now as a writer over at salon asked why it is being gay now again to professional misconduct something that a person is accused of now the herman cain campaign is set the report by politico was based on rumors when salon asked the campaign if it's considered acceptable in the cain campaign for any staffers to be gay a spokesperson responded it is illegal to discriminate smart move by the campaign
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spokesperson or right you never want to appear the guy running for president is a homophobe but wait we already know that cain really is because of previous statements he's made. i believe homosexuality is a sin because of a bible believing christian i believe this is ok but i know that some people make that choice best bad choice so you believe it well those are cain's views but back to the political article why would the writers compare homosexuality to affairs and professional misconduct why would political accusing someone of being gay that's not really an insult that's just bad reporting now maybe the writers are in a hurry after all was a holiday weekend i'm sure that they were pretty bitter for having to work all the rest of the us was enjoying food drinks and fireworks but c'mon guys that's just perpetuating this discrimination in this country towards gays and that's why politico is tonight's told time.
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ok time for a happy hour after a long evening and joining me on the long weekend and joining me this evening is argue for these are jenny churchill and j. grauer founder of realist idealist labs still thinking about that we're going. to return to time i love independence day. thanks for joining us tonight so let me tell you about a story about news of the world which is a tabloid news paper in the u.k. which is actually owned by rupert murdoch and news corp and they are now being accused of hacking a girl's phone who actually was dead take a look at this. this is just amazed that they were listening through the messages of family and friends who were trying to find out where she was they even apparently deleted some of those messages to make more room on the cell phone mailbox. i'm sorry the girl was murdered now you want to say that this is just so messed up i can't believe they're doing this but they have actually admitted to
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illegally hacking the cell phones of twenty four celebrities in the past or even have somebody from the u.k. press association. was arrested in terms of this that makes you think that this is more of a widespread practice and is that what they're doing to like is that what they're doing to stay afloat because people want the headlines so they're starting to hack into people's phones to get the juicy gossip and supportable as i think it is that they're hacking into celebrities phones i think that it takes it to a whole new level that they're hacking into people who are missing i mean this girl they were deleting voice mails so that there would make room for her family or friends to leave more voice mails and her family took that as a sign that she was alive and in fact she was dead i mean i think it's awful and actually they're now having to notify other families that their loved ones who are dead felons may have been hacked as well but the it's sick but that's because people are so obsessed with these types of stories what the casey anthony trials of the world that we've been showing and so is that what they do to like to feed consumption i have been making excuses oh i actually i want to go and i'm actually
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in a blame partially. at our consumption of these things that steve jobs is about right he says if you want to. blame media center blame the people consume the media because they continue to give it to him and honestly i think i'm going to continue to search as opposed to that we continue to you know i think that that's taking the easy way out to say that this is what we want so we give it to them so what if people want to watch and see and i mean all vision we would be like well we'll have to make it happen so viewers you know just give it to the. family now these are what news organizations are to do to to stay afloat and it is it's sickening and it's deplorable i'm just wondering how long it takes until somebody here starts trying to do the exact same thing it's becoming so widespread there. are so out of the fray. move on to another story we've obviously talked a lot about the hackers and everything and over the weekend fox news got hacked and somebody tweeted from their account a number of tweets basically saying that barack obama was assassinated we also know that obama's campaign web site got hacked and the secret service is now
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investigating the hack on fox news which is really funny to me because normally you'd never see the secret service of fox news. necessarily working together but just because they want to get the hackers so bad this is an excuse because they mention the president and how they get to launch like a full investigation i have to say i'm a little confused about the hack to obama's presidential site because it appears that it possibly wasn't a hack at all that those calendars are user generated and they're now saying that the website was not compromised and they deleted the event to get organized and well i think it's weird that i think how deliberate it has been his twitter was that he was with the calendar on obama's campaign website will be user generated that's well i think that's actually speaks to some of their tactics in terms of empowering good but i think the story is actually even more important for another another reason that's there's a small constituency of people in this country who know how to talk to machines and they are more powerful than almost anybody else and they are the developers and the coders and the people behind all these computers and more and more they were going
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to start talking to them because they are clearly taking over the world yet and i'm i'm a little disturbed too because now we've got this new group that supposedly hacked fact hacked fox's twitter is the script kiddies there are groups that are sad which used to be a little second everything is just getting so confusing and i think we just need one hacker group that we can focus on are all just going to get told i mean we can't cover it we're clearly i'm reminded that her story is one that the whole point though is they're all loosely organized and there is not one giant hacker world out there but this story i just kind of you know obviously everybody is on twitter we tweet a lot out there but guess who is now getting a twitter account it's the vice president he's going to be tweeting at v.p. and it got us thinking what could possibly go wrong let's think of what he said in the past. i would tell members of my family and i have i wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now why i would not be at this point if i had another way of transportation suggesting they
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ride the subway. i just wonder who allowed it joe biden you know who was signed off on. twitter accounts i wish they had been literally instead of. because literally not a single person started a hashtag today. literally and that happens that would be why do you so mad you treat all kind of little announcements you know. just on a whim and suddenly that's going to start panic you're going to tell people never to go on boats never go on trains not to go on point where my first thought was obviously they're not just going to let him do this someone has to regulate that and then i thought oh god that's my president and i just thought he can't handle his own twitter that's really frightening thing and he's a p.r. mess i'm sure he's going to have somebody that's tweeting for him anyway well he didn't have her because i think people do it's and during his he's a p.r. embarrassment to me and i know that you know where you can go and there's the last one hundred times i can't wait for. this is kind of the opposite of it really quick
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a woman in mexico went to go visit her husband for a conjugal visit in jail and then she got stuck trying to sneak a map and what kind of stuff is going on where you're trying to have a conjugal visit in that little i did why do you need a suitcase when you go in for a conjugal visit when you come out sex toys are you bringing that's when she when she came out when she came out they were suspicious because the bag was obviously stuffed and she said it's dirty underwear. it was a case letter i don't want to. cross but also what are you guys thanks for joining me tonight sorry america. that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in to make you come back tomorrow and make more santoro from talking points memo. to be joining us for happy hour now the meantime don't forget to become a fan of the a lot of show on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any of the night's show or any other nights you can always catch you tube dot com slash the launch up next is adam vs the guy.
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