we've got to rein in our deficit and get the government to live within its means while still making the investments that help put people to work right now. the land of the fee and the whole of the unemployed is the u.s. government create too many barriers when it comes to creating jobs. two one zero we're live on live with the words make that three to one of layoffs for nasa with atlantis on its final mission we'll tell you what's ahead for the american space program and thousands of its workers. plus russia

rules scientology literature as extremist but what exactly is scientology a cult or religion. and don't mess with texas even you president obama so why did governor rick perry ignore obama's request to spare the life of a mexican born man the news starts now. well as the conversation in washington continues to focus on national debt and the u.s. government deficits a new jobs report is out and highlights what many argue is the real issue that's not being discussed seriously enough unemployment the numbers are way worse than analysts were expecting take a look at them unemployment ticked up to nine point two percent it was nine point one percent last month only eighteen thousand jobs were added employers hired actually to fewest number of workers and nine months and to give you some context

analysts were expecting ninety thousand jobs to be created and just to remind you the economy would need to add one hundred twenty five thousand jobs a month just to keep up with population growth and two hundred fifty thousand to bring down unemployment so you can see eight hundred thousand jobs is really just a drop in the bucket and obama though today he spoke about the jobs numbers he had plenty of excuses for them here some of them. we've always known that we'd have ups and downs on our way back from this recession and over the past few months the economy has experienced some tough headwinds from natural disasters to spikes in gas prices to state and local budget cuts that have caused tens of thousands of cops and firefighters and teachers their jobs the problems in greece and europe along with uncertainty over whether the debt limit here in the united states will be raised evolves from a businesses hesitant to best more aggressively play of excuses but other analysts

say job growth came to a halt the second month in a row which suggests a sharp slowdown isn't merely a belief but that the u.s. is getting closer to recession and that the broad weakness broad weakness all over sectors mean excuses like natural disasters pretty much means what and take a look at this chart this shows the average to ration of unemployment showing how this counted recovery compares to past ones take a look at that it is much worse now some analysts say this points to a structural unemployment problem with a big chunk of the population that is permanently out of the workforce and joining me now for more from our new york studio is less leopold he's economist and author of this book the looting of america how wall street's game of fantasy finance destroyed our jobs pensions and prosperity and what we can do about it he's going to help us try to assess this situation unless i'm curious first of all if you

think obama's excuse is that this is a rocky road to recovery hold weight or if this is yet another sign these jobs numbers of structural unemployment in the u.s. that millions of jobs are just gone and not coming back. actually both explanations i think aren't accurate it's not a structural obama's excuses don't mean anything and it's not a structural problem what it is is that we had a gigantic implosion for the last three years due to the wall street gambling casino crash and those jobs have not been recreated because people don't have enough money in their pockets. instead of trying to put more money in people's pockets spirit especially by putting windfall profits taxes on page funds and wall street banks and profitable companies like that the financial companies who caused the problem in the first place instead of doing that state after state has been forced to cut their budgets with leads to more layoffs which leads to less buying power and of course you're going to have

a stagnant economy what's going on in washington are right now we know i'm sorry i know you're in washington i want to attack you but there is like collective insanity going on there the idea of dealing with a deficit crisis while we have actually the real unemployment rate is eighteen point five percent there are nearly thirty million people unemployed if you count all the people like the people who are forced into part time work people have looked for work in the last four weeks we need twenty one million new jobs there's nobody to get back to full employment there's nobody in their right mind that thinks this is just a little problem that we're going to econ through because there's bumps in the road the more we could stay there for us it's the more problems we're going to have ok i want to get to that issue and kept at the perth i want to get to something you thought you mentioned wall street you mentioned that wall street got it and it is crisis and one of the reasons that some people point to. their problem is deregulation over the last thirty years government deregulation and the fed that this led wall street go willy nilly about whatever it wanted and shacked it

something that people are happy to play a role in part of the ample of the oil spill in the gulf that that deregulation allowed for that kind of if that's going to happen do you believe that deregulation has been part of the problem over the last thirty years. i don't think it's a question of belief i think it's an established fact two things contributed to rectally to the housing crisis one was dramatic cuts in income taxes for the super rich so they had an enormous amount of capital that they wanted to find investments for and the second was the deregulation of the entire economy but especially wall street because that allowed wall street to curry fancy new bets to suck up all this money so it was floating around in the hands of a few that's a lethal combination i was the combination in the late one nine hundred twenty s. the lead to that crash and when we did it again it led to this crash when we sat on finance i mean really regulated them from the night late one thousand four hundred

forty s. all the way to nineteen seventy five or so and we really had high taxes on the super rich there were no financial crises none globally. or virtually no i think it was one in brazil in one nine hundred sixty four we've got one hundred eighty eight since we've deregulated i don't think there's much to argue about here the question is what do we do about it ok then my question is seeking broadly about deregulation if it's been such an issue why is it that when you look at the three decades of deregulation the economy is still more regulated in some ways than it was in the one nine hundred fifty s. during a period of two booming expansion for example in the fifty's fewer than five per cent of american workers needed licenses and today that figure is almost thirty per cent and when you compare this to other countries other developed countries regulation is higher you more jobs in the of life and there's an example would be great in thirteen percent of their workers need licenses. i wouldn't call licenses

regulations let's talk about regulations on. business practices and profits all during the fifty's and sixty's we have strict regulations on your lines telecommunications trucking and a whole host of industries where we basically said look you can make profits but you can't make too much profit we try we have script for violations on monopolies we've been forced into trust legislation but most importantly we sat on wall street it was a boring place to work it was not a place where you could go and set up a casino but i really learned a lot about as i really want to talk about i know that those are the regulations that you're going to but i want to talk about because jobs is the big question here and how are jobs going to be created and what many people foreigners that i've spoken to them in my very office are very surprised to find that america which is considered the land of the free when it comes to starting a business and being entrepreneurial there is a lot of red tape you think this is a problem that needs to be addressed in order to create more jobs you know how so

because a lot of these aren't doctors or lawyers and examples of people that need licenses that have to spend thousands of dollars on education and time thousands of hours of time to start a business or to engage in this kind of work are people like glorious tour guides frozen desert sellers second hand book sellers interior designers there was some guy in an abbey was making and selling wooden coffins in louisiana he got shut down by the board of embalmers and fionn directors because it's coffins are unlicensed you don't see those as problems. no how i don't think that has anything to do it has nothing to do whatsoever in my opinion with the unemployment rate but the headline news is there's not there's not enough demand there is not enough demand there's not enough money in the hands of people's pockets they've got devastated housing values of collapsed people overwhelmed with debt problems there's a high level of unemployment that when you reach that demand then you can't cut

interest rates anymore it's called the liquidity trap that's what we had during the great depression the way out there is only one way you cut those regulations to zero you cut tax rates to zero for corporations you can give them all the stimulus you want you can let them repatriate their profits from overseas for nothing you can do all that they're really sitting on two trillion dollars worth of cash they're not investing it why aren't they investing it there's no demand there's only one way out of a liquidity trap there has to be government directed job creation you could directly by hiring people or indirectly by letting out contracts weatherizing every home and business in the country for example ok but you go at the local it well and washington to do that at all so what if. i have braided hair for twenty five years but in my state i can't do it because i need to spend eight hundred thousand dollars to go to cosmetology school which doesn't even teach hair braiding but that is what's keeping me from getting a job now i don't currently have

a day and they aren't being left out of the. no i don't think so because i don't think we have a shortage of hairdressers right now i don't think we have a shortage of those of and bombers i think we're talking about is whether or not you know some people get jobs or other people have too much work and other people don't you're talking about on the margins here what you're saying could be true on the margin but it's not the central feature you've got to keep your eye see there is something in the water in washington you've got to keep an eye on the price we're down thirty million jobs you can take all those regulations and burn them and smoke some or all and you're not going to create anywhere close to one hundred thousand jobs thirty million that's three hundred times more than what you're talking about three although you need to home maybe you need to do a lot of different thank you and this is washington it's reality can't you what you're calling for there is no political will power it doesn't seem and on that note of job growth where the regulation of these kind of things between one thousand nine hundred and two thousand and twenty percent higher was the job growth

regulated occupations then greg elated ones do you disagree with. no i just think it's absolutely irrelevant right now yes you're right but i think washington there's no political will in washington because washington is so far from reality they got their hands out to the biggest donors in the country the biggest lobbyists in the country they're afraid to put even have hedge fund people who are making one million dollars an hour they're afraid to look to increase their taxes so they pay the same tax as you and i pay i mean it's outrageous they're so completely out of touch of course they're not going to do this but there's going to be a series of on the ferry very negative long term impacts the united states the political will will merge it's going to be ugly when it does the more that i want to put up with us ok i would want to you don't really see i just want to keep this going for one more minute you don't see the political in washington you see a now there are jobs report that shows because is bad but yet you still have the

president united states coming out saying you know we really need to cut the deficit this is this shows that we need to tackle our debt so what is the solution that you propose to this jobs crisis that would work in this current environment. well that last is your kicker i can tell. that would work yes but the current environment change i mean the vironment now is very different than it was in the height of the crisis three years ago and you know what i think there's another crisis around the corner because we haven't solved anything fundamental we still have too much money in the hands of a few banks are still finding ways to set up their casinos we still have hedge funds completely on the loose making obscene amounts of money and we don't have any controls on it that's the formula for ongoing and another crisis around the corner that will change the environment but the question is what do you do what you do is you have national purpose we have to rebuild our entire infrastructure from top to bottom it's collapsing we need to weatherize every business at home we need to send

our population to school we should have free higher education here's a plan to put a million people to work in a month just say we're going to have free tuition at every college and public college or university in the country for those who are eligible to get it and you'll have people flooding the school and bring the unemployment rate and you have a construction boom on campuses just like we did with the g.i.'s at the end of the g.i. bill of rights of the end of world war two ok we really critically needed really quickly like those are so creative and so big i want to ask you we're out of time but yes or no will it take a number of crisis and order for there to be any political or public consensus behind the kind of things you're calling for. probably all right i think the consensus is there the politicians aren't all right we're going to have to leave it at that i thoroughly appreciate you accusing me of drinking the water in washington but i appreciate your insight that was left leopold economist and author of the looting america. and data space shuttle atlantis to blast off this is supposed to

be the final launch ever the you see behind me it happened this morning and when it returns thousands of shuttle workers they won't be blasting off they'll be being laid off that's on top of the thousands that have already lost their jobs and after this american astronauts will have to hitch rides to and from space via someone else another country probably the russian soyuz fifty million bucks a trip it's really the end of an era for the united states and also the livelihood of many as r.t.f. guy and you can have more about. empty shells of what was once florida's thriving space coast. up to ten thousand people will be out of a job as soon as the last shuttle makes its final voyage back to earth home to many of the kennedy space center workers rock which is on the verge of becoming a ghost town without the space program or pretty much nothing i mean this is what you know cocoa beach is built on the space program you know just

a lot of people are going to be sorry me out a few going on welfare left and right food stamps and city chris a fully spent twenty three years with the shuttle launch team as an engineer with a client is busting our for its final mission it means the end of his career with nasa and the beginning of uncertainty a year ago he started looking for a new job to no avail i have applied for jobs and so far i haven't gotten any concrete responses there's not that many jobs out there for sure the u.s. scrapped its shuttle program and now wants the private sector to come up with ways to get astronauts to space several companies are working on new vehicles but it's not clear when bill be able to deliver them one thing is certain though will be able to hire only a fraction of the skilled space industry workers will be out of work this is the first shuttle ever it never made it to space but it was just put test before the

columbia shuttle first launch into space in nineteen eighty one a total of five shuttles had been used for space mission says that two of them were last thing tragic accidents a nine hundred eighty six and in two thousand and three those lawsuits and the style rocketing price for each launch gradually led to the cancellation of the program but critics say it's hard to estimate the losses that the end of the shuttle program will bring about both for the space industry and the people involved i think it's a really bad to include the united states. to lose the skilled workforce it's going to be difficult to rebuild for years the shuttle has been the only vehicle that could carry crew and a massive load of cargo to space officials say one of the reasons the program was scrapped is that it's safer and cheaper to send cargo and people separately something that russia for example has been doing for many years but whatever the reasons for scrapping the thirty year old program for those who devote their lives to it is the end of their dream job it's kind of sad because i've already seen

a lot of you with my friends girl they'll be more people that are probably may never see again it also means the end of all guns and vibrant scientific. that's grown up around the shuttle going to check out our team. from space to science or early. in the u.s. it's famously known as the religion of choice for hollywood elite such as tom cruise and john travolta and perhaps infamously to critics and detractors of the cult the church was founded in the fifty's by site by author or ron hubbard some countries have made moves to ban it altogether and russia some scientology literature has now been ruled illegal a russian court found eight books from l. ron hubbard extremist and anti-social the judge d.m. them either legal for inciting hatred and promoting the supremacy of its members and the fight against the rest of society now in the us where scientology is considered a religion it has an escape being

a source of contention either earlier i spoke with mark bunker he is an emmy award winning journalist he's working on a film about scientology and in it many alleged abuses from physical abuse to having to choose between your family members to harassment of anybody that criticizes the church and i asked him given his research and the debate and the accusations made in his film whether scientology is a cult or religion who does that. well culture is a strong word and you know i i tend to think of scientology as a religious themed business and it seems to me that since its formation it has been selling expensive courses teaching you how to be better in your life how to communicate better how to have better relationships with your family and friends how to improve the business. almost everything in scientology is fee based you're

buying expensive books you're buying tapes and you're buying these various sections which they call auditing where you're paying tens of thousands of dollars to go into a room with an auditor to hold onto a couple of soup cans that are attached to a little to the meter and you discuss the problems you're having in your life and and these are all products that are being sold and i tell it is my profit on profit so here's my questions i think i even read that out ron hubbard was made very public but starting religion would be a great way to make the money i want to ask though along those lines because we saw how in other countries scientology is considered a calls and there's a lot of controversy over whether to consider it a religion so what is the difference between a religion a cult and let's to bring your argument here as a religious business. but. i think professor lifton years ago came up with a certain number of criteria what you know what

a destructive group would be and i guess you would say calls them are things like loaded language having your own terminology that only people in the group can understand and scientology is just packed with loaded language there is the control of your environment and this is especially true for people who sign a billion year service contract to work for scientology's elite sea org and these people are actually. living sleep on the church's properties and in many cases like out of their compound in hemet california there's razor wire on top of the fence and motion detectors and it's really impossible to leave and for those folks their mail is read phone calls are monitored they're working one hundred hours a week for fifty dollars if they're lucky if they do something to piss off

management they could be spent on what's called the rehabilitation project force or the r.p.s. and this is essentially a reeducation camp where you're working hard labor half the day and studying the teachings of l. ron hubbard the other half of the day until you are back in the good graces of management and this can take months or years before management feels that you are rehabilitated and during that time people are separated from their their families and you know if a husband is in the r.p.s. the wife won't even be able to talk to that person usually i would again i want to get in here for a look at how you slap your mentioning a lot of practices that people with thank are wrong but there are also some practices and widely accepted religions that people often think are bizarre and abusive. some would consider circumcision in the jewish religion to be gentle mutilation some believe that communion eating a symbolic body of jesus is weird so what makes some ok and others wrong and you

think there's any kind of universal gauge or the relative i don't kind of a long question i guess respond to what you think is in the know and are started at a time right understand i think the important thing for the scientology abuses not everybody in scientology is abuse but for many people is forced abusers and you probably can decide when you want to have your child circumcised or not but the child. well that's true the child can allege. but we're all we're asking is that the abuses be reformed or at least that people are aware of these abuses because i don't think scientology's books should be banned anywhere but maybe they should just be a warning label slapped on them i say ok well we want to we appreciate you for letting a cartoon on what you know about it that was mark bunker and he is a documentary filmmaker and also founder of the new t.v.

. meanwhile president obama politics spared this man's life the texas governor rick perry said no he went ahead with the execution of hunger tell ya garcia and berthier was mexican born and a convicted rapist and murderer who governor perry that deserved to die even though the white house that it with in breach of an international convention governing the treatment of foreigners who were arrested and the harm may be to the american interests of for a killing and that those would be irreparable now the supreme court rejected an appeal from the white house as well and earlier i spoke to investigative journalist wayne madsen i said this looks like a snub from of perry to the president of the united states and i asked him whether or not he knew of any precedent for this kind of a god to go with him well this is of course there have been executions of foreign nationals in the united states before foreign citizens in the united states. i mean george bush still holds that george w. bush still holds the record on executions when he was governor perry is close

behind but the idea is perry knew that there was a five to four decision in the u.s. supreme court to refuse to stay the execution while the senate considers the legislation to bring the u.s. including all the states and territories in line with this the end of convention on consular relations and by basically snubbing this international treaty that the u.s. has signed up to texas is putting every american traveling abroad who gets arrested for justify over or i'm just to file the reasons they're put in jeopardy because what this individual said is he wasn't afforded quick. consular services from the mexican consulate without the les that's what the treaty says and that was what he used as a basis to have the execution stayed you mentioned the role that it's played internationally and i read that this but at least in the one nine hundred sixty

three. that was signed by the u.s. that provided for the consular access provision that was added on the insistence of the u.s. . u.s. has relied on it in many instances to secure legal help and get the release of americans imprisoned abroad i read thirty five hundred times that was invoked last year just alone to get americans out of president other countries so what does it say that a state can give rail could possibly do rail the u.s. in that way and this is not the first time texas has done is in two thousand and three they put to death a british citizen who maintain that he was not afforded access to consular services as a matter of fact there had been. scores of people who have been executed foreign citizens and only seven out of out of literally dozens were afforded. consular services without the lake and texas was cited by amnesty international's

one of the biggest violators of any other u.s. state when it comes to not giving foreign citizens quick access to the consulate was the united nations came out and said that this execution was a violation of international law as well but if you're mentioning that this has happened many times before then it seems and the united states is still able to use this treaty and getting american prisoners out of other countries it doesn't seem right that maybe it's a problem well here's the problem for the united states is just like the international criminal court we want other countries to comply with international law but we violate international law all the time i mean if we were to apply the international law equally governor perry maybe should be taken to the hague for his violations of international law on numerous occasions. that was investigative journalist wayne madsen and stay tuned next week to r.t.f. stories you won't want to miss democracy in michigan to the highest bidder when the

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