i think the who. started the of the dialogue. we see these. three thirty pm in moscow these are your r.t. headlines georgia arrests a group of photographers over alleged spying for russia including president saakashvili is personal but a skeptical public says their government's on a witch hunt with cloak and dagger cases increasingly springing up. two hundred people believed dead in turkmenistan after a series of explosions local reports say and ammunition depot blew up but the government's blaming a fireworks incident with no word on casualties. and trial by news we report on

what happens in the u.s. when a jury says not guilty but the media thinks different cases such as those of the former i.m.f. chief dominique strauss kahn an american single mother casey anthony are highlighted is how public opinion can overshadow the legal process. coming up populations are more on the move than ever and most countries have some kind of headache with migration or influx yet influx or abandonment spotlight coming up discusses how russia's place in the global village. hello again the welcome to spotlight the interview show on heartache. today my guest on the show is constantine that are my ballots the flow of economic words to europe has changed the demographics of the old world the police ethnic and cultural

prophets have made some official suggest that the policy of multicultural europe has failed the problem is pretty similar as russia has a growing number of migrants from the former colleague here to work out the russians learning from the european experience or rather heading their own way here's the director of the federal migration service because they feel that it's. deja published by the federal migration service say about five million economic migrants come to russia every year many of them come to the country illegally and have no qualifications another problem is people coming from the region either speak russian family or don't speak it all together these factors make their integration to russia such a difficult or impossible this leads to rising racist anger but they handle the aftermath. he says russia needs these migrants to make up the shortfall in the

workforce. and honestly thinking for coming to show i look at my very first question before we actually start discussing integration and whether we should try to prevent it or merely regulate it is this present day industry developed economies do without migrant favorite all were migrants absolutely indispensable and there is something we should take for granted and you wouldn't. loads definitely a fact of life we cannot do without migrants. migration is movement over old so large masses of people or smaller groups depending upon the economic demands of the others you can only move people were urging them to travel for jobs and so migration at the migration is a global phenomenon and we cannot ignore it if there is an old russian proverb that says move to deeper waters and people move for a better life there's nothing you can do about it and definitely if you put russia

said while it's still coming to grips with it and take europe the early states and other advanced economies is the peak of migration already over are these economies saturated with migrant labor or women gratian rates continue to increase and if we take france for example same people feel that you can hardly find a true frenchman there anymore or there are still some they're not easy to spot you know i think that sadly the peak of migration is indeed older than most why sadly because well migration means new influencers new trends new money new technologies something new that is brought to your country along with the war for worse the extra hands and the good minds that come over here. unfortunately the current demographic trends are always worldwide concern that there isn't a jury should plug into my graphic analysis that we also use it's called the family

formula it's an average number of grandparents parents and children per family and formally everywhere in the world that formula tends to be forty plus two plus one in other words for grandparents two parents and a single child in this global trend is telling us that everywhere there will be problems whereas in five years time we are unlikely to experience a shortage of highly qualified. officials will in turn to fifteen years there might be an under supply of low skilled labor and not only in russia but globally the union according to the latest world migration report the number of people leaving their out lead in search of better living is growing despite the economic downturn and tougher regulation laws spotlights healin exhibited there. was. never before has the world seen international migration on this larger scale as today

every year sets new records for the number of migrants they now account for three percent of the world population a world migration report says over the us then he is the number of migrants increased by more than sixty million the next forty years ago we to see the number of migrants double the credit crunch accompanied by an employment was expected to make foreigners return home but that never happened the u.s. with over forty million for in residence is the most popular destination russia is among the top ten this the nations earnings by foreigners account for most of capital outflow a third of the geekiest downs g.d.p. comes from the money migrants send back home from russia and it's not only way but migration which is growing more and more people have to leave their homes to escape violence the united nations refugee agency reports that last year more than forty

three million people became refugees the highest number in fifteen years this year again since floods of breathy g.'s forced out of their homes by revolutions in northern africa waves of illegal immigrants coming to europe have been described as a human tsunami. scrutiny. we have just watched a report on the currency. immigration situation and the recent reaction in newark faced with an inflow of refugees from north africa as a result of the arab revolutions shows that the european public is growing ever less tolerant of immigrants. do you think this could be a backlash to some erratic immigration policies pursued by european governments in the past and if so what were the mistakes that. well actually i do think that there have been some mistakes. i'll do my best to

be careful with my judgments but i think that multiculturalism policies are actually aimed at stressing and encouraging differences. to put it simply. say if you were something to emphasize your ethnic identity or even clothes yes clothes then. that's the basic approach meanwhile i believe you should spend money to erase differences and farkas around promoting integration integration is something meant for those who plan to stay in country for good. i'm sorry to interrupt you but there is an interesting twist you against spain several decades along with billions of euros in order to be able to say we are day

worse we can be different and still live side by side it is something that the soviet union in many if you will by the way which you are suggesting this approach should be replaced by the american model the sensible one but usually it's the melting pot the nothing part of become is your but here you must melt into a new society of the future if you think this is a more viable option the leaders of france and germany have already acknowledged that multiculturalism is something of a high property see and essentially mistake that. i don't go for extremes so the notion of a melting pot or anything related somehow casting doesn't really appeal to me as we're talking about people here so can i maintain there should be case by case approach which it must be more elaborate and sophisticated which well it must be specifically aimed at blending differences that we demanding disparities and toning down the distinctions that make people feel uneasy about one another and of course

people should be tolerant and understanding each other. when you know much. teller insane is a positive thing however i'm going to say something a bit controversial. when you come to france you can be whatever you want you can be. russian. anything but if you come to britain you're essentially told you must be a brit it doesn't matter what color you are but you must be a brit or leave what approach do you think would be right for russia in french way or the british way in tell you why they mean a general conceptual approach i realize these are two streams. in principle i guess i'd go with the british model so the point is to preserve the culture of the host country certainly respect the host culture. russia russia her. this should be the top priority and there's nothing to be shamed off or

me afraid that somebody might call your nationalist. never mind the labels so you think this is a more viable approach i believe true lying on your heritage and having faith in your country enhanced as your by tell it see. the forces are nationhood store. national trust and. my father was convinced that one of the reasons the soviet union imploded was exactly the absence of a melting pot there was no single integral nation while there was plenty of hypocritical propaganda claiming that each ethnic group in the u.s.s.r. has its own culture language territory laws and so on. that. cylinder which i would in general it's rather true than false but i'll be

deliberate after all i'm representing the migration service. the federal aviation service is trying to learn some lessons we're wising out from what we see in the west we definitely try to learn. those are sometimes complicated lessons reports we are picking up and down from for example we have developed a database which so far doesn't have an analogy in a west it's a database to register foreign nationals in russia with the show we use it to work with online data and the number of foreign citizens in russia we know how many of them are in russia his name and generally what sort of work they do. for example at this moment russia is hosting a nine point eight million foreigners. that's almost ten million that's right but some say it's just why they have a different religion was looted if you listen when you're talking to the head of the migration service is someone who works with

a database trying dos years you're talking about the way i demonstrated this system to my european counterparts and you know it seems to me like the completely understood but you know when you might in any case then criticize it. says constantin that all my data still director of the federal regulation service of the spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us we'll be back there with. her.

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constantin the ski director of the russian federal regulations service and. we were discussing a policy on migrants their country should up in your opinion of the question would you say there is a government policy in support of your notion that migrants should respect the host culture. but would you say that the government is supporting you. absolutely we are part of the executive branch. weary implementing government policy this is our main function there is no doubt about this. and i believe that next year all rafferty's will culminate in the concept for a migration policy. in this document. well if you divide our work into several stages and set specific goals and objectives for each

department. so priorities not just for our service but for society as a whole. are goals line year reserve demographics and economics. what is your current priority. and that would be anonymous because any goal beginning to economics then. you can only goal in a situation or regulated migration. you know it would be wrong to open our borders completely and liberalized all migration. that would be wrong so we believe in regulated migration we know that a lot of people just want to come to moscow to stay here and do nothing but words which we can have that the people they become criminals plain and simple that's right you know i really like you you're one. those officials who recognize a lot of problems that exist in russia and poland people to tackle them. in one of

your interviews you admitted that there is a senior phobia in russia the fact that you admit it is great which you go on to say the d n a phobia is being inflated deliberately that the weather was what it was what would you tell me who in russia would benefit from appealing ethnic tensions besides if you miss politicians with a negligible ratings that would be stateside. she would you know ethnic tensions can be used again benefits you didn't even political down efforts. and some dishonest people used. i mean people who have certain political ambitions richest people who have certain political goals just so you know those are people's you know moderate security services should fight on which. i for one have never heard of an

openly intelligent person to be elected to the russian parliament at that scene of a big sentiment remains at street level and in the press media of police given that why are some people still trying to exit it was this just means that we are in tune a good job i don't mean myself but rather my colleagues that this means that we're able to prevent zina folks from reaching their goal be getting into missy who are infiltrating other agencies this means our efforts are using close to results. the quality in qualification of migrant workers who come to russia have a great impact on people's attitudes toward migrants it's one thing when you have construction workers coming into the country and it's a completely different deal if you attract people keep a bit of a dancing culture and science. for a long time people thought of russia as a country that attracted unskilled migrants and that federal authorities have been

trying to attract better qualified workforce do we see this happening to get that police would. you know we adopted a new law a year ago. actually it's just amendments to the law on foreign citizens legal status and they went into effect the year ago and we have made very good progress with that used to we have some quite inspiring statistics. last year and we often are registered three thousand people in the last six months so twenty sand the figure for the first six months of this year will be six thousand people they've got permissions to work here for three years not a month not six months or three years you're talking about work permits. yes it's are three year work permit that will allow them to work anywhere in russia they will be able to get a residence permit. they will get certain benefits it will be easier for their

families to come to russia we shoot over a two thousand family invitations in the past year alone which so nine thousand experts plus two thousand family members makes eleven thousand people who are working to them our economy and they represent an intellectual force currently a large share of the experts we host about twenty percent are employed in the trade it's. well i suppose we're learning to trade you know there was there business when . here's what i find interesting you saying the share of skilled migrants in russia is increasing there are two points of view on migration both of which seem reasonable if one maintains that migrants are necessary to do the dirty work that local residents don't want to do the second one claims that migrants come to steal their jobs and skilled migrants come to sweep the streets something the muscovites

just won't do highly skilled migrants are going to come to take our bread from us which of these. two opinions is the correct one or are they both right and. they're both right when both kinds of migrants. one thing that's important is that those who come to sweep streets should know which creed when they're going to sweep what you want to ward is flocks of unskilled migrants standing around in places like construction markets already or slow highways as it is organized around skilled labor force for hire. in when there are no more streets for them to sweep they turn to crime is understandable they have to eat too. that's right which. migration process is should be regulated. controlled migration has replaced chaotic migration today what we have to do now is to switch to migration that's officially

regulated it's going. to cause one of your interviews you said the existing made ration quarter principle is inefficient and we have to abandon it end of quote what would you have that system replaced with companies in for jobs where the russians have to train harder to find a decent job if those quotas are repealed. he said you know what i'm talking about something different. rush's small and medium businesses have no way of the fission plea attracting workers today. we understand that small and medium businesses are one of the things that drive our economy this means we have to help our businesses and we can do there while these restrictions remain in place with these restrictions a person has to know what kind of libor his business will need nine months in advance that's just impossible no it wouldn't come so let's face it we're in favor

of controlling labor migration in russia while at the same time i have. to say that the rules we impose for that were good and they have to be very simple understandable and perhaps just simple he it isn't so there is a lot of talk about introducing five year end she resists arrest that get the need does this have anything to do with the three year work permits that you have mentioned in the beginning no you must be referring to a visa regime with e.u. countries. and this has to do you we the visa free regime that we are currently negotiating with the e.u. with again we're working together with our foreign ministry on this issue and of course it's mainly to foreign ministry that is in charge of these negotiations. with them so we are currently. working on the readmission agreement there russia

e.u. dialogue has been launched in the end this allows us to resolve issues related to. the visa free regime and the labor migration rules and that. this fear is very promising and we have actually made very good progress on those issues. we didn't believe that a visa free region with the european union is possible personal i do. hear you well in other practice there foreigners who is aid in russia would like to see abandoned is registration today they have to notify the migration agency and get registered every time they move will this procedure ever be abolished or simplified. yes i know what you're talking about and we have actually already need some steps towards states it's no longer a foreign nationals responsibility to get registered it's his employer's responsibility to get him registered with the migration service.

so we have simplified these and some other thing. so we are making progress he end by saying that this process is very much related to our dialogue with the european union on a visa free regime and i think we should all trust each other which and i think you should we should all try to bring our positions closer together was it is possible i think your free time the president will thank you very much for being with us in just a reminder that there's my guest was constrained to what i'm about to steal director of the federal migration it's just spotlight a little be back with more for his final comments on what's going on and paul said russian president play out i'll take him to pick.

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