as a growing number of migrants from the former soviet republics. are the russians learning from the european experience or rather heading their own way here's the director of the federal vibrational service. detail by the federal migration service say about five million economic migrants come to russia every year many of them come to the country illegally and have qualifications another problem is people coming from the regions either speak russian badly or don't speak it all together these factors make their integration into russian society difficult or impossible this leads to rising racist anger but the head of the f.m.s. constantine ramadan of ski says russia needs these migrants to make up the shortfall in the workforce. and honestly thank you for coming to our talk show hello my very first question

before we actually start discussing immigration and whether we should try to prevent it or merely regulated is this present day industry developed economies do without migrant labor at all or are migrants absolutely indispensable and then we should take for granted. well it's definitely a fact of life and we cannot do without migrants use migration is movement of roles will be large masses of people or smaller groups depending upon economic demands and you can omics move people urging them to travel for jobs hence migration that migration is a global phenomenon and we cannot ignore it there is an old russian proverb that says fish move to deeper waters and people move for a better life there's nothing you can do about it and definitely if you put russia said while it's still coming to grips with it and take europe the united states into other advanced economies is the peak of migration already over are these

economies saturated with migrant labor or will now gratian rates continue to increase and if we take france for example same people feel that you can hardly find a true frenchman there anymore or there are still some they're not easy to spot you know i think that sadly the peak of migration is indeed over them why sadly because well migration means new influencers new trends new money new technologies something new that is brought to your country along with the war course the extra hands and the good minds that come over here. unfortunately the current demographic trends worldwide concerns that there isn't a jury should plug into my graphic analysis that we also use it's called the family formula it's an average number of grandparents parents and children per family and . everywhere in the world that formula tends to be four plus two

plus one you know the words for grandparents two parents and a single child this global trend is telling us that everywhere there will be problems whereas in five years time we are unlikely to experience a shortage of holly qualified. officials turn to fifteen years there might be an under supply of low skilled labor not only in russia but globally the year according to the latest world migration report the number of people leaving their hour lead in search of better living is growing despite the economic downturn and tougher migration laws spotlights he had. never before has the world seen international migration in this larger scale less today every year sets new record for the number of migrants they now account for three percent of the world population the world migration report says over the last ten

years the number of migrants increased by more than sixty million the next forty years are going to see the number of migrants double the credit crunch accompanied by on the employment was expected to make foreigners return home but that never happened the u.s. with over forty million for in residence is the most popular destination russia is among the top ten this the nations earnings by foreigners account for a massive capital outflow a third of the g.d.p. comes from the money migrants send back home from russia and it's not only way but migration which is growing more and more people have to leave their homes to scape violence the united nations refugee agency reports that the last year more than forty three million people became refugees the highest number in fifteen years this year again says floods of refugees forced out of their homes by revolutions in

northern africa waves of illegal immigrants coming to europe have been described as a human tsunami. we have just watched a report on the currency. gratian situation and the recent reaction in europe faced with an inflow of refugees from north africa as a result of the arab revolutions shows that the european public is growing ever less tolerant of immigrants. do you think this could be a backlash to some erratic immigration policies pursued by european governments in the past and if so what were the mistakes. well actually i do think that there have been some mistakes. i'll do my best to be careful with my judgments but i think.

multiculturalism policies are actually aimed at stressing. encouraging differences. to put it simply say if you were something to emphasize your ethnic identity or even clothes yes clothes then. that's the basic approach meanwhile i believe you should spend money to raise differences you should caucus on promoting integration but integration is something meant for those who plan to stay in country for good. i'm sorry to interrupt you but there is an interesting twist you have been spent several decades alone with billions of euros in order to be able to say we had a worse we can be different and still live side by side it is something that the soviet union in many of you will by the way which you are suggesting this approach should be replaced by the american model the sensible one. and the melting pot.

is your but here you must melt into a new society of the future you think this is a more viable option scores of the leaders of france and germany have already acknowledged that multiculturalism is something of a hyper creasy and essentially a mistake that. i don't go for extremes so the notion of a melting pot or anything related some not all casting doesn't really appeal to me as we're talking about people here so i maintain that there is should be case by case approach which it must be more elaborate and sophisticated which but it must be specifically aimed at blending differences that we can manage even disparities toning down the distinctions that make people feel uneasy about one another and. people should be tolerant and understanding each other. when you much.

teller in is a positive thing however i'm going to say something a bit controversial. when you come to france you can be whatever you want you can be. russian. anything but if you come to britain you're a century told you must be a brit it doesn't matter what color you are but you must be a brit. what approach do you think would be right for russia if french way or the british way then tell you why they mean a general conceptual approach i realize these are two streams. in principle i guess i'd go with the british model see the point is to preserve the culture of the host country certainly respect their culture. russia russia. this should be the top priority and there is nothing to be shamed off. me afraid that somebody might call your nationalist. never mind the labels so you think this

is a more viable approach i believe that are lying on your heritage and having faith in your country enhanced as your by telecine. green forces are nationhood store. nationalist. my father is convinced that one of the reasons the soviet union imploded was exactly the absence of a melting pot there was no single integral nation while there was plenty of hypocritical prep again. each group in the u.s.s.r. has its own culture language territory laws and so on would you agree with that. i would in general it's rather true than false but i'll be deliberate after all i'm representing the migration service. the federal immigration service is trying to learn some lessons were wise enough to promote we see in the west we definitely try

to learn. those are sometimes complicated lessons but we are speaking up and down for example we have developed a database which so far doesn't have an analogy in a west. it's a database to register foreign nationals in russia we use it to work with online data the number of foreign citizens in russia we know how many of them are in russia and generally what sort of work they do pretty sample at this moment russia is hosting nine point eight million foreigners. that's almost ten million that's right but some say it's just five big difference. listen you're talking to the head of the migration service who works with a database of dos years you told me that she by the way i demonstrated their system to my european contra ports use and you know it seems to me like the

completely understood that when you when you in any case you didn't criticize it. says constantin little more than a ski director of the federal regulation the service of the spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us we'll be back to. spend in the year in iraq is not a true journalist. in some ways still in the u.s. contractors there's kind of wasting their time trying to get killed.

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back to. the studio. director of the russian federal migration service. we were discussing a policy on migrants that our country should adopt in your opinion. do you see there is a government policy in support of your notion that migrants should respect the host

culture. but would you say that the government is supporting you. absolutely we are part of the executive branch. weary implementing policy that this is our main function. there is no doubt about this. and i believe that next year our afterwards will culminate in a concept for a migration policy. document. well if you buy it are working to several stages and set specific goals and objectives for each department. sent to priorities not just for our service but for society as a whole. our goals law in the areas of demographics and you can omics. what is your current priority. and that would be economics.

konami goal in a situation all regulated migration that you know it would be wrong to open our borders completely and liberalize all migration. and that would be wrong we believe in regulated migration issue we know that a lot of people just want to come to moscow to stay here and do nothing. but we can't have that they become criminals plain and simple that's right you know i really like you. those officials who recognize a lot of problems that exist in russia and people to tackle them but. you know one of your interviews that there is. that you admit it is great which you go on to say the d n a phobia is being incited deliberately. would you tell me who in russia would benefit from fueling ethnic tensions besides extremist politicians

with negligible ratings. you know ethnic tensions can be used again benefits. even political benefits. and some dishonest people can use. i mean people who have certain political ambitions but it's just people who have certain political goals just so you know those people's you. security services should fight them which. i for one have never heard of an openly intelligent person to be elected to the russian parliament that sentiment remains at street level and in the press maybe but given that why are some people still trying to edit it. well this just means that we are in tune a good job i don't mean myself but rather my colleagues. we're able to prevent

a zener folks from reaching your goal getting into missy who are infiltrating other agencies this means our efforts are using positive results. the quality and qualification of migrant workers who come to russia have a great impact on people's attitudes toward migrants it's one thing when you have construction workers coming to the country and it's a completely different deal if you track people keep a bill of advancing culture and science. for a long time people thought of russia is a country that attracted unskilled migrants and that federal authorities have been trying to attract better qualified workforce do we see this happening. you know we adopted a new law year ago. it's just amendments to the law on foreign citizens legal status and they went into effect to year ago and we have made

a very good progress that used to we have some quite inspiring statistics. last year and we often are registered three thousand people in the last six months of twenty sand the figure for the first six months of this year will be six thousand people they got permissions to work here for three years not a month not six months three years you're talking about work permits. yes it's three year work permit that will allow them to work anywhere in russia they will be able to get a residence permit. they will get certain benefits it will be easier for their families to come to russia we should over a two thousand family invitations in the past year alone. so nine thousand experts plus two thousand family members makes eleven thousand people who are working to invents our economy. they represent an intellectual force

currently a large share of the experts we host about twenty percent are employed in the trade is that. well i suppose we are learning to trade you know they were there businessmen correct here's what i find interesting you're saying the share of skilled migrants in russia is increasing there are two points of view and migration both of which seem reasonable the first one maintains that migrants are necessary to do the dirty work that local residents don't want to do that the second one claims that migrants come to steal their jobs and skilled migrants come to sweep the streets something the muscovites just won't do. migrants and then they come to take our bread from us which of these. two opinions is the correct one or are they both right and. they're both right when both kinds of migrants. one thing that's important is that those who come to sweep streets should know which to

treat when they're going to sweep what we want to ward is flocks of unskilled migrants standing around in places like construction markets or the euro slow highway as it is organized on skilled labor force for hire. anyone there are no more streets for them to sweep they turn to crime is understandable they have to eat to. migration processes should be regulated. controlled migration has replaced chaotic migration to the what we have to do now is just switch to migration that's efficiently regulated. to quote one of your interviews you said the existing may gratian quota principle is inefficient and we have to abandon it and of quotes what would you have that system replaced with company for jobs with the russians have to train harder to find a decent job they have those quotas they repealed. yeah yeah no i'm talking

about something different. rush's small and medium businesses have no way of the officially attracting workers today. we understand that small and medium businesses are one of the things that drive our economy this means we have to help our businesses and we can do that while these restrictions remain in place with these restrictions a person has to know what kind of lever his business will need nine months in advance that's just impossible. so let's face it we're in favor of controlling labor migration in russia. but at the same time i have. just say the rules we impose. and they have to be very simple understandable and proper civil. so there is a lot of talk about introducing five year n.-g.

visas to that at the meeting does this have anything to do with the three year work permits that you have mentioned. no you must be referring to a visa regime with e.u. countries. and this has to do you we the visa free regime that we are currently negotiating with the e.u. with we're working together with our foreign ministry on this issue and of course it's mainly to foreign ministry that is in charge of these negotiations. so we are currently. working on the readmission agreement russia e.u. dialogue has been launched and this allows us to resolve issues related to. the visa free regime and labor migration and. this fear is very promising and we have actually made very good progress on those issues.

we believe that it means if we rejean with the european union it's possible personal or do. another practice that foreigners who is aid in russia would like to see abandoned is registration today they have to notify the migration agency and get registered every time they move will this procedure ever be abolished or simplified. yes i know what you're talking about in we have actually already made some steps toward states it's no longer a foreign nationals responsibility to get registered it's his employer's responsibility to get him registered with the migration service. so we have simplified these and some other thing. so we are making progress and i think that this process is very much related to our dialogue with the european union on a visa free regime i think we should all trust each other and i think you should we

should all try to bring our positions closer together but i think time that i will thank you very much for being with us in just a reminder that that my guest was confined to what i'm about a ski director of the federal migration. spotlight will be back with more for his time comments on the what's going on and. then play on our team and to.

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tonight on our t.v. in the latest chapter of the georgian spy saga high profile photographer. tblisi accuses them of working for moscow. while georgia claims to have video called skeptics inside the country say their government is only trying to drum up until hysteria in a few minutes time. hundreds of people have been killed in a blast. but there's confusion a state official say there were no thanks. and. the owner of the british tabloid accused of. murder is rushing to london to take charge of the escalating prices as police make arrests.

this is out. here this saturday night in moscow kevin and our top story the georgian government says high profile photographers arrested this week were linked to russian special services and passed on secret information to the three men have now been charged with spying after being arrested on thursday our correspondent peter all of us following the story for us. initially there were four photojournalists arrested on thursday one of those has now been released without charge over the three that remain in custody are all pool reporters meaning that they had very close quarters contact with the president of georgia because saakashvili we are hearing that one of those who are is in custody has confessed on video to having been a spy to be sending information to moscow and in that video confession he is named the case it's a no the one of those three that are in custody now with regard to the third.